Somchai Wongsawat To Be New PM

[permanent_disorder]

Dig your own grave

Give it a rest... it's been almost a year.

It makes my bile raise...

Is it what you have been banned for?

Do we need to go through this with every thread?

little bit of topic but one short question. is having a double account or multiple account against the rules? i mean a real life person but different screen names? if it's not allowed what happen to his/her accounts?

should i play police and press the report button? or will moderators see it anyway.

there are some odd nicks around, reply to a topic with some blah, blah and link to a useless page. i guess for have a reference link on google page rank. but they do it a half- decent way, not brutal spam, just now and than some cryptical entry. different screen names, same tactic. should i report them or are multiple accounts okay?

Yes double accounts for one person is against the rules.

and banned people coming back under different aliases is also not allowed.

A grey area is when two people with similar political leanings share a ROUTER, with 2 computers.

Both with different versions of english as a second language, one relaxed the the other a triffle hyper sometimes.

One gets banned, and the other gets permanently black balled for

APPEARING potentially to be them also based on router IP address and political leanings solely..

That ALSO seems to be a banning offence.

Since this HAS happened,

I see no reason to allow a permanently banned person from coming back as a different alias.

How about checking the IP address on this suspect.

so let's say i know such a "dark secret" like a double account from a certain member. should i report him, because double account is "against the rules"or should i be more laissez-faire?

what is if this member have a opposite point of my political view, wouldn't press the report button low style since i ask for a socratic dialoge style of debatte and even quote Voltaires famous words to that problem. it would be low style in my opinion. but even socrates accepted "the rules".

so what is if that other member isn't interessted in a dialoge at all. demands that the others have to shut up, and he also press the report button all the time if he spot a minor flaw against the rules and is so "happy" when others got banned or entries deleted. so that members is a real janus double face, he don't obey the rules by himself, but is such a hard core wannabe policeman with no mercy.

i don't know what should i do in such case, maybe ask him to keep quiet and low profile for awhile. if he is so obsessed with the rules, he should grab the hemlock cocktail by himself, right?

what would you do? nobody is above the rules, right?

[scyriacus]

....but lets not forget..... free burma....

lets not forget: todays 'myanmar' was freed from uk colonial rule 1948 and freed of its colonial name 'burma' 1989. today the message should be: lets free the u.s.a. seized by a bunch of greedy & bloodthirsty millionaires

Well, the country was renamed by its socialist dictators, not through a referendum and supported by the people. Hence I call it Burma.

you can call it whatever you like! it's official name is : "republic of myanmar" (burma was the name used by the colonial oppressors, supported by the people of england!) if one would follow your argument, the u.s.a. would better be called "india" (land of the indians, stolen from them by some other english colonists without a 'referendum'). don't forget to care more about your own damned soul than for other peoples countries, please! (you behave like a victim of american catholic propaganda).................

[scyriacus]

although or because your choosen name implies "permanent disorder" i don't understand what you are talking about. could you please be so kind and name 'horse & horseman'?

[scyriacus]

.....A grey area is when two people with similar political leanings share a ROUTER, with 2 computers. Both with different versions of english as a second language, one relaxed the the other a trifle hyper sometimes. One gets banned, and the other gets permanently black balled for APPEARING potentially to be them also based on router IP address and political leanings solely...That ALSO seems to be a banning offence. Since this HAS happened.....

exactly that happened to my friend 'emelie' (the 'relaxed'). and one more question about the 'sacred' rules: does a family of five need five accounts or can they post under one account only? couldn't find an answer in the 'rules'................

[permanent_disorder]

although or because your choosen name implies "permanent disorder" i don't understand what you are talking about. could you please be so kind and name 'horse & horseman'?

i don't tell the name of that certain member*. i am not a snitch. but i guess when he/she reads my post, he/she knows it's about him/her.

that member has more than one account. it's against the rules. you can get banned for.

that member like to talk about "the rules" and that the rules should be obeyed all the time.

if that member is honest, he must request a ban for himself and stop finger pointing at others.

i did ask what others think about.

* hint: if others got banned, he is gloating.

[scyriacus]

i don't tell the name of that certain member*. i am not a snitch. but i guess when he/she reads my post, he/she knows it's about him/her. * hint: if others got banned, he is gloating.

i still don't understand! without a name it's just rumor & gossip. if you are not a 'snitch', what are you talking about?

[sriracha john]

Former Thai Rak Thai Party MP and former Deputy Government Spokesperson Dr. Nahathai Thewphaingarm and "Dr." Thaksin

Nahathai edged out

Former Deputy Government Spokesman Natthawut Saikua has edged Nahathai Thewphaingarm out of the government spokesman's seat.

Former MP Nahathai was earlier believed to have been made Government Spokesperson and she confirmed being told of this.

However, a source close to Nahathai who asked not to be named, said she would no longer accept any post in the government spokesman team.

A source from People Power Party, who also asked not to be named, said former PPP Deputy Leader Yongyuth Tiyapairat had told Nahathai that she was getting the job, but Natthawut had told the First Lady, Yaowapa Wongsawat, that he wanted the job for himself.

- The Nation / 2008-09-30

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Nahathai and Thaksin were supposedly romantically linked in 2005. Former Foreign Minister and former Thaksin attorney Noppadon Pattama said in 2008 that he also been romantically linked to Nahathai, but she declined to continue it as "he was much older than me."

Edited September 29, 2008 by sriracha john

[Plus]

When I first registered here I had a problem with logging in from another computer, so I registered again under plus+. I kept posting under these two names for a few months, I guess, different computers using different names. Eventually someone pointed out that plus and plus+ is one and the same person and mods were very quick to react. They were very polite and they told me that one of the accounts had to go. So plus+ is permanently suspended, I believe, you can look him up, if you want to.

In my understanding the reason for this policey is quite clear - having two separate names leads to forum abuse, with one poster arguing or supporting himself to advance his agenda, playing two different characters and making discussions a farce. I was once asked to do so to promote a company's product on some other forum. I was even going to be paid for that.

For somebody not interested you are pestering me with far too many impertinent questions.

What big eyes you have, grandma! What big ears!

Those were important questions for Red Riding Hood, thought the wolf obviously preferred her to talk about cookies.

[sriracha john]

Their deeply profound mutual affection is clearly evident...

Does anyone no yaowapa wongsawat age???? Just curious Thaksi once said if she was a man she would of been in his cabinet, sexism at its best

After an exhaustive search, I was unable to find the age of this alluring and svelte beauty. Sorry, but I'll keep trying.

Edited September 29, 2008 by sriracha john

[Plus]

A source from People Power Party, who also asked not to be named, said former PPP Deputy Leader Yongyuth Tiyapairat had told Nahathai that she was getting the job, but Natthawut had told the First Lady, Yaowapa Wongsawat, that he wanted the job for himself.

Anyone bothered to consult with Somchai?

His name is not even mentioned.

>>>

The Nation has another interesting piece today.

This year Thailand has had FIVE foreign ministers. That's a record. The fourth minister was sworn only two days before Samak's disqualification and haven't had a chance to even visit his office. He's been officialy in charge for two weeks yet never ever set foot in the foreign ministry. That's a record, too.

[sriracha john]

Kudos to the People Power Party for their record-breaking achievements...

I deduce from the following that Samak is STILL the Party Leader... :D

oh well, such formalities as having a non-disqualified Party Leader are hardly its only problem...

People Power Party sets meeting to resolve rift within the Party

The People Power Party is planning to hold a meeting for its MPs to seek a resolution on their recent conflicts.

Meanwhile, the group's Kalasin MP condemned its Spokesperson for expressing inappropriate comments over the Party's situation. People Power Party MP from Kalasin province Sakda Kongpecth said he does not agree with the comment by the Party's Spokesperson Kuthep Saikrajang that the influence of some banned politicians over the Cabinet seat allocation has instigated conflicts among its MPs and the group will be subsequently dissolved.

Sakda said Kuthep's comment is not appropriate as he should seek advice from the Party members before making comments over the matter .

He also revealed Kuthep's behavior will be brought onto the agenda of the Party's meeting tomorrow, but Sakda would not confirm whether he will launch a campaign to remove Kuthep from the Party Spokesperson position.

Meanwhile, Assistant to the PPP Secretary-General Sukhumpong Ngoankhum said Kuthep's remark was only a personal comment, but he will ask for further clarification on the matter.

PPP Lopburi MP Suchart Lainamngeon said the matter shows the group's democratic atmosphere and Kuthep's comment over the possible disbandment of the party is only a personal viewpoint and will not cause damage to the Party.

In a related development, Nakhon Panom MP, from the Isan Pattana faction, Paijit Sriworakhan disclosed People Power Party's key members and MPs are together seeking a resolution over its recent conflicts.

Prime Minister and Defence Minister Somchai Wongsawat and also Deputy Leader of the People's Power Party is planning to hold a meeting with his Party's MPs in Nakhon Ratchasima province after the announcement of public policies before the House of Representatives on October 8.

The meeting is aimed at helping to resolve the conflicts among the Party's MPs.

- TOC / 2008-09-29

[sriracha john]

People Power Party MP Chinnicha Wongsawat earlier on the campaign trail with her Dad

Let law takes its course, says PM

Prime Minister Somchai Wongsawat said yesterday he was not disturbed that he would be investigated for allegedly violating the Constitution by holding shares in CS Loxinfo that has a concession with CAT, and having his daughter hold shares in M Link, a company that operates a state concession.

"For the investigation, everything must go in accordance with the law. I had announced clearly that I accepted to become head of the government and I will uphold principles and justice," he said.

He was speaking after appointed Senator Ruengkrai Leekitwattana filed a complaint with the Election Commission to check if Somchai had violated the charter and should be disqualified and removed from his post.

Ruengkrai's earlier complaint against former prime minister Samak Sundaravej, of violating the Constitution by continuing to host his cooking programme despite being head of government, had resulted in Samak losing his premiership earlier this month.

Ruengkrai said he suspected Somchai may have disqualified himself since January 22 this year by allegedly holding shares in CS Loxinfo, which operates a state concession or is a contract partner of a state enterprise. That would be a violation of Article 265 (2), resulting in him being disqualified as an MP as per Article 106 (6), and disqualified as PM as per Article 171.

Ruengkrai also suggested that the EC check whether an 8-rai house worth over 200 Million Baht was included in the assets declaration that Somchai filed with the National Counter Corruption Commission.

"The house where Somchai was when he received the Royal command was not declared as part of his assets. He might have transferred it to another person's name. Could it be a case of asset concealment?" he posed.

Ruengkrai denied that his crusade to check politicians in the government were intended as political harassment. "I carry out my duty without bias towards any politician," he said. He said he withdrew his complaint for investigation against former Deputy Prime Minister Surapong Suebwonglee because he was no longer in office.

He said he was ready to be probed over allegation of abuse of authority for illegally checking the assets of others. "I demand the probe be open to the public and the media. I have been waiting for them to come and check me for long," he said.

Election Commission (EC) member Sodsri Sattayatham said the EC would today decide whether to appoint a panel to probe the allegation that Somchai had violated the Constitution. She said she would prefer that the EC appoint a special panel instead of using the existing panel, that had been appointed following a complaint by Supachai Chaisamut to check the qualifications of MPs and Senators. "This panel has to probe hundreds of MPs and senators already," she said.

- The Nation / 2008-09-30

Edited September 30, 2008 by sriracha john

[brahmburgers]

what's the latest on Samak. Here today gone tomorrow(?).

Amazing Thailand indeed, .....A person can go from being Mr. Big Stuff - all over the news - and then suddenly disappear as if he were just the assistant chef at the feeding trough for the rich and powerful.

[younghusband]

After an exhaustive search, I was unable to find the age of this alluring and svelte beauty. Sorry, but I'll keep trying.

I would have thought that it might have occurred to some how stupid and crass this comment is.We knew the poster was not an officer but this confirms he isn't a gentleman.

[sriracha john]

It was a compliment. Don't you also find her attractive?

Edited September 30, 2008 by sriracha john

[Plus]

Maybe YH feels uncomfortable with making fun of office holders.

This lady, of course, is not an office holder, just a first lady, banned from politics, yet she runs the government herself instead of her husband.

Talking about her is equivalent to talking about the PM, and some people want nothing but the show of respect to whoever holds this high position.

I remember there were objections to deriding Samak, too.

And don't you start talking about her hairdo, SJ. That's clearly off limits. Only respect and deference.

[younghusband]

Maybe YH feels uncomfortable with making fun of office holders.

This lady, of course, is not an office holder, just a first lady, banned from politics, yet she runs the government herself instead of her husband.

Talking about her is equivalent to talking about the PM, and some people want nothing but the show of respect to whoever holds this high position.

I remember there were objections to deriding Samak, too.

And don't you start talking about her hairdo, SJ. That's clearly off limits. Only respect and deference.

Somehow I knew Plus this would generate a quick "political correctness gone mad" spiel!

Actually my motive is very simple and would apply if any middle aged matron was mocked for her girth.It's just good manners.

I suppose , taking up your point, that if she really pulls the string then some mockery is in order -but is there really any evidence for this?

I suppose also I have a visceral distaste for internet fatties hunched over their laptops all day and night sounding off on who is alluring and svelte.

[sriracha john]

Maybe YH feels uncomfortable with making fun of office holders.

This lady, of course, is not an office holder, just a first lady, banned from politics, yet she runs the government herself instead of her husband.

Talking about her is equivalent to talking about the PM, and some people want nothing but the show of respect to whoever holds this high position.

I remember there were objections to deriding Samak, too.

And don't you start talking about her hairdo, SJ. That's clearly off limits. Only respect and deference.

I find her hair style compliments her features. She's a striking woman... Professional, determined, and without excessive flair...

[sriracha john]

Maybe YH feels uncomfortable with making fun of office holders.

This lady, of course, is not an office holder, just a first lady, banned from politics, yet she runs the government herself instead of her husband.

Talking about her is equivalent to talking about the PM, and some people want nothing but the show of respect to whoever holds this high position.

I remember there were objections to deriding Samak, too.

And don't you start talking about her hairdo, SJ. That's clearly off limits. Only respect and deference.

Somehow I knew Plus this would generate a quick "political correctness gone mad" spiel!

Actually my motive is very simple and would apply if any middle aged matron was mocked for her girth.It's just good manners.

I suppose , taking up your point, that if she really pulls the string then some mockery is in order -but is there really any evidence for this?

I suppose also I have a visceral distaste for internet fatties hunched over their laptops all day and night sounding off on who is alluring and svelte.

I wasn't aware we've met.

[sriracha john]

If this morning's flaming festivities have concluded... we can get to hear of this government's policies, but not from Somchai...

COMMENTARY

The agenda of this government

Don't bother to wait for the House meeting. Yongyuth Tiyapairat has already outlined the mission of this government. PM Somchai has set Oct 8 and 9 for the policy announcement in Parliament, with an extra day, Oct 10, reserved should lawmakers need more time to describe their vision. Declaring what the government will do is an important step before a new government can officially function. The draft version in the hands of the PM is similar to the policy undertaken by his predecessor, Samak. Somchai will promise to bring about national reconciliation by creating better understanding among the people about the need for unity. Simply put, he wishes to see an end to the standoff between the PAD and the government. Thailand under his leadership will solve southern problems, foster ties with neighbors, and develop border areas with neighbouring countries based on mutual and peaceful benefits, build more mass transit lines, put an end to hardship, give communities wider access to financial schemes and more. This policy has come out of talks between PPP the other six political parties joining him. The reality is that it has been written mostly by the PPP, with coalition partners rubber-stamping it. Only a few will be convinced that everything to be announced will be fulfilled by the time the tenure of the government ends in three years. Given that the PPP could soon be ordered dissolved for election fraud, it looks certain that many tasks outlined in the policy will be left untouched when Somchai, who is PPP Deputy Leader, has to go. The mission declared by Yongyuth is clearer, more eye-opening, and probably more practical. Yongyuth is not in the Cabinet, as he is serving a 5-year punishment for cheating at the polls in Chiang Rai. But for him, Somchai would not be where he is today because the country might have seen Samak back in power again. The politician played a key role in blocking Samak from his bid to return to government office by joining hands with other factions in the PPP to tame the group led by Newin Chidchob. Last Wednesday at a restaurant, Yongyuth savoured his victory with his loyalists. He reminded them of the need, that night of Sept 11, to decide not to vote for Samak on Sept 12 as PM for the second time. The reason was that his confrontational style was no help in solving the conflict with the PAD. Then he went on to enunciate two things which Cabinet members under his guidance should do. One is the need to end the rift in the country by trying to be more flexible in talks with the government's rivals. Another goal is to try to bring back justice to those facing "unfairness." The second goal sounds familiar. Remember the hand-written statement from former PM Thaksin, in which he told Thailand of his need to go into self-exile in London? One of the reasons he gave for doing so was that he could not trust the justice system while facing corruption charges. In the eyes of Yongyuth, his boss has

Bangkok Post News Editor Saritdet Marukatat's commentary continued here:

http://www.bangkokpost.com/300908_News/30Sep2008_news26.php

Edited September 30, 2008 by sriracha john

[Plus]

I suppose , taking up your point, that if she really pulls the string then some mockery is in order -but is there really any evidence for this?

Sorry, do you mean the evidence of her pulling strings?

As for mockery - no one would mock Nahathai should she pull a few strings. I can happily give her a couple of mine to pull any way she likes.

Yawapa is simply asking to be mocked, strings or no strings. She is a perfect specimen for it - a full embodiment of everything that can go wrong with rich Thai Chinese women.

[cmsally]

The comments/insults on here about a certain first lady, remind me of a similar situation in the British House of Commons. The female MP in question (name has completely escaped my mind) was rather hefty etc but was actually extremely good looking in her youth. There was another MP who called her something along the lines of face and build of the ugliest truck driver. In fact he kept persisting with these insults until she was forced to reveal that in fact she was suffering from a terminal illness and the illness + medication had brought on these physical changes. Then guess who was made to look a complete fool. If I remember correctly he had top make a public apology.

In reality although you may feel big and important throwing all these insults around, the last laugh is always on the bully.

There is always something wrong with people that need to rudely insult others. It is basically not polite. Most of the time people who are not polite are so because of lack of education and intelligence, so maybe that is part of the problem here.

[Plus]

Yeah, that's what I was talking about. No square face, pig snout comments. Politically incorrect to call fat people fat, especially if they impose their frame in politics.

It's not her weight that is the problem, btw, it's the way she carries it.

[phupaman]

Hi All..

I am not sure about this,but did I hear on tv that Somchai is alleged to have approached a Judge in a trial involving Thaksin for a good verdict involving Thaksin, in a case that Thaksin won narrowly.

I think I heard the Judge is ready to spill the beans.

phupaman.

[sriracha john]

stupid

fatties

You might be on to something with that, cmsally

[Plus]

Hmm, that would fit his general profile, he made his carreer in Justice.

Time to dig up some old threads, it's a serious allegation.

[sriracha john]

Hi All..

I am not sure about this,but did I hear on tv that Somchai is alleged to have approached a Judge in a trial involving Thaksin for a good verdict involving Thaksin, in a case that Thaksin won narrowly.

I think I heard the Judge is ready to spill the beans.

phupaman.

now if this morning's flaming festivities have truly been concluded... you're right about that, phupaman...

People's Network against Corruption Accuses PM Somchai of Attempted Bribery

Veera Somkwamkid, Secretary-General of the People's Network against Corruption. has filed an attempted bribery charge against PM Somchai Wongsawat.

Veera alleges that PM Somchai is guilty of attempting to lobby Constitution Court judges to acquit former PM Thaksin Shinawatra, who's also his brother in law, in an asset concealment case in 2001.

PM Somchai was Permanent Secretary to the Justice Ministry at the time.

- TOC / 2008-09-30

[sriracha john]

Activist accuses PM of trying to bribe judge

Veera Somkwamkid, Secretary-General of the People's Network Against Corruption, charged on Tuesday that PM Somchai Wongsawat had attempted to bribe a Constitution Court judge to clear ex-PM Thaksin Shinawatra of share concealment charges in 2001. Somchai was Permanent Secretary of the Justice Ministry at the time. Mr Veera filed charges at the Crime Suppression Division of the national police on Tuesday morning. He accused Somchai of bringing ex-Constitution Court Judge Ura Wang-ormklang to meet with Thaksin. This, he said, made Somchai inappropriate to hold the PM's post. Mr Veera brought some evidence, including the testimony of Thaksin, to the

Continued here:

http://www.bangkokpost.com/breaking_news/b...s.php?id=130998

[hammered]

PNet have a good reputation for being impartial and fair. If they are bringing this case it is probably going to be a big one.

Iirc this is exaxctly the allegation that Prasong has lost two defamation cases over, and which awaits its final appeal. There must be new evidence for PNet to bring this.

[sriracha john]

For the record, Constitution Court Judge Ura was among the judges who returned a guilty decision against Thaksin in the 2001 asset-concealment trial. Didn't know he was "ex"... perhaps he's recently retired now . He was still on the Court for the annulment of the April 2006 election and was made Constitution Court President in July 2006.

Edited September 30, 2008 by sriracha john