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[Slogger]

I still like Qantas & feel they are safer flying to Thailand than many other Carriers

But the return journey is something else, it seems.

[GungaDin]

I still like Qantas & feel they are safer flying to Thailand than many other Carriers

But the return journey is something else, it seems.

Turbulence can happen to any airline, it has nothing to do with a "return journey".

[RakJungTorlae]

They still have not lost 1 single passenger in a jet Aircraft, that's truly an amazing record although just like the current stock market , sooner or later it will crash

That’s just seriously depressing!!!

[Old Croc]

Hang on there crocobilly, intellectual lightweight u say? I repent that remark, in fact I will so far as to say - I have been called many a things during my time (usually handsome, witty, even sarcastic on occaision) but never light. Can I pm u a photo of my cranium so that u may take a deeper look into the mind that is responsible for such fine prose, whims and banter? No? Ok let's return to talking about how relevant a plane flying from sg to perth is to those of us who are not from down walk about

I rest my case.

[zorro1]

They still have not lost 1 single passenger in a jet Aircraft, that's truly an amazing record although just like the current stock market , sooner or later it will crash

That's just seriously depressing!!!

RJT it may be depressing but sadly its a fact. Whats even sadder is that mathematically it will happen sooner rather than later

[RakJungTorlae]

They still have not lost 1 single passenger in a jet Aircraft, that's truly an amazing record although just like the current stock market , sooner or later it will crash

That's just seriously depressing!!!

RJT it may be depressing but sadly its a fact. Whats even sadder is that mathematically it will happen sooner rather than later

Ok so I have credit with QA around 60 k baht to use when ever I feel and should sometime this year viset Sydney for some business, so I am pretty much gambeling with my life I guess. Thanks for freaking me out.

[zorro1]

I think some one voted you as a top poster here. That person may miss you

[Old Croc]

The Mardi Gras is on in Feburary.

[RakJungTorlae]

The Mardi Gras is on in Feburary.

Thanks for the heads up, please record it so we can have a good look at you.

[zorro1]

tooshhhayyyyyy

[Farma]

I guess this takes the turbulence issue out of the equation.

Plunge jet's computer error

A ROGUE computer may have taken over the pilot's controls on a Qantas jet which suddenly climbed for no reason - then plunged earthwards when the crew tried to regain control

INVESTIGATORS say there was a computer "irregularity" on the Qantas Airbus which plunged thousands of feet, injuring dozens of passengers.

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0...989-952,00.html

[Farma]

It’s a bit scary when you think about it. Is anyone familiar with the airbus? I was under the impression in triple redundant type systems a rogue computer would be dropped and the system degraded to prevent something like this happening.

[Slogger]

I still like Qantas & feel they are safer flying to Thailand than many other Carriers

But the return journey is something else, it seems.

Turbulence can happen to any airline, it has nothing to do with a "return journey".

Oh, I thought u only got turbulence on return journeys. Nvm, I'll try to avoid irony in future, it's a bit difficult for ozzies.

Edited October 8, 2008 by Slogger

[Payboy]

The spelling's not really important, but, QANTAS stands for Queensland And Northern Territories Air Service. Sure you knew, just thought I'd share.

That's what it stands for and all this time I thought it realy meant...

Qualla bears

And

Nollibees

Together

Against

Sangaroos

I thought it meant Queens and Nancies Trolley & Air Services

or queers and nasty trannies air stewards

[Nignoy]

According to a Qantas spokesman on Channel 9 tv at lunch time today , a minor computer irregularity caught the cabin staff off guard , and it probably should not happen again in the future,when asked about a failsafe to stop things like this happening, he replied no system is 100% safe, he could of just as well said straight out , dont fly Qantas

[think_too_mut]

Aviation board says it's wrong - autopilot disconnects automatically and there are satelite pics of the jetstream directly where the clear air turbulence took place

[steveromagnino]

I was told Qantas was Australia's national carrier, so really looked forward to flying with them to Sydney.

Imagine my disappointment when they ran out of VB after I'd only had 24 tinnies; they refused to serve me a vegemite sandwich and there wasn't a single frigging kangaroo on the plane.

And then to top it off I turned on the sound system and they were claiming that an all Aussie listening experience including band Crowded House, phone thrower Russell Crowe on the big screen and story of the Aussie race horse Pharlap! And all this served with alledged Aussie dessert Pavlova!

I must say, there was one redeeming feature, I was able see a little bit of downunder on the white telephone, where indeed, men did chunder. Probably the pav.

More seriously, all the airlines have periods of relative safety and a few incidents, despite my own lack of love for Qantas based on their collusion with Air NZ to rip off consumers on trans Tasman flights for years, they have a pretty decent track record for safety and I would hardly be chalking them up as an unsafe airline just yet.

The idea that from one recent incident that you would suddenly not fly with them anymore probably doesn't make too much sense. Statistically, the data sets on safety are definitely on the passenger's side.

Personally, I like Thai; don't mind Singapore and it's been years since I flew anyone else other than these two. But then again, the air is a bit more rarified up in (ahem) biz and 1st class.

I always wanted to fly Airlingus. I mean, with a name like that, there has to be something good going on.

[kmart]

I hope someone can manage to stop this "rogue computer" in its tracks before it starts trying to take over the world and defeat all mankind. Like in the "Terminator" films. Probably.

[Old Croc]

The latest: they think a passengers laptop may have caused the problem.

[Carib]

Australian Transport Safety Bureau media release

http://www.atsb.gov.au/newsroom/2008/release/2008_40.aspx

This is the official view so far...

[bkkjames]

The latest: they think a passengers laptop may have caused the problem.

Just like old croc aka heavyweight, posts THE Latest and yet offers no supporting info. Thanks mate.

[Old Croc]

The latest: they think a passengers laptop may have caused the problem.

Just like old croc aka heavyweight, posts THE Latest and yet offers no supporting info. Thanks mate.

I guess the weight reference is in response to me calling you an intellectual lightweight Little Jim. Thanks for the compliment.

For people like you who need issues spelt out in order to understand them I'll expand on my post. A Qantas spokesman speculated that a passenger operating a laptop on board may have somehow interfered with the aircraft's computer systems causing the problems with the rudder. This, if proved correct, could have far reaching implications for pax on all aircraft, including those to and from Thailand.

Here's another update:

Qantas plane fell 200m in 20 seconds

Transport Safety Bureau says the Qantas aircraft involved in a mid-air emergency on Tuesday fell about 200 metres in 20 seconds before returning to cruising level.

The flight data recorder also indicated it made a second 122m descent over 16 seconds.

Forty-six passengers were injured in the incident, 20 of them seriously.

Seven passengers are still being treated at the Royal Perth, Sir Charles Gardiner and Fremantle hospitals for injuries including cuts, fractures and spinal damage.

Qantas will refund the cost of every passenger's ticket and give them a free travel voucher, as well as contacting injured passengers about paying for medical and other expenses.

It is thought a computer problem may have caused the incident.

I'm quite amazed LJ that for someone who wanted this thread closed as not relevent, you've posted 10 times to it. More than anyone else!!

There are terms for people like you!

[bkkjames]

The latest: they think a passengers laptop may have caused the problem.

Just like old croc aka heavyweight, posts THE Latest and yet offers no supporting info. Thanks mate.

I guess the weight reference is in response to me calling you an intellectual lightweight Little Jim. Thanks for the compliment.

For people like you who need issues spelt out in order to understand them I'll expand on my post. A Qantas spokesman speculated that a passenger operating a laptop on board may have somehow interfered with the aircraft's computer systems causing the problems with the rudder. This, if proved correct, could have far reaching implications for pax on all aircraft, including those to and from Thailand.

Here's another update:

Qantas plane fell 200m in 20 seconds

Transport Safety Bureau says the Qantas aircraft involved in a mid-air emergency on Tuesday fell about 200 metres in 20 seconds before returning to cruising level.

The flight data recorder also indicated it made a second 122m descent over 16 seconds.

Forty-six passengers were injured in the incident, 20 of them seriously.

Seven passengers are still being treated at the Royal Perth, Sir Charles Gardiner and Fremantle hospitals for injuries including cuts, fractures and spinal damage.

Qantas will refund the cost of every passenger's ticket and give them a free travel voucher, as well as contacting injured passengers about paying for medical and other expenses.

It is thought a computer problem may have caused the incident.

I'm quite amazed LJ that for someone who wanted this thread closed as not relevent, you've posted 10 times to it. More than anyone else!!

There are terms for people like you!

Well Old Croc, heavyweight reference was not about your intelligence. As far as spelling things out for the rest of us light no waits, please forgive us if we don't have the ABC website perm open on our desktops.

[Old Croc]

Well Old Croc, heavyweight reference was not about your intelligence.

So you were actually calling me a fat bastard! Run out of other comebacks?

You can't easily check news sources to keep yourself informed, but like to throw crap at people that can and share that information with the forum. Sad!

I think you should give it away Jimmy, you are sounding increasingly pathetic.

[bkkjames]

Well Old Croc, heavyweight reference was not about your intelligence.

So you were actually calling me a fat bastard! Run out of other comebacks?

You can't easily check news sources to keep yourself informed, but like to throw crap at people that can and share that information with the forum. Sad!

I think you should give it away Jimmy, you are sounding increasingly pathetic.

Are you here for the 5 or 10 minute argument Crock Eyes? Me thinks it has nothing to do with a laptop on an A330, unless others can confirm that they have been told to not use theirs inflight.

Probably the pilot fell asleep and hit the controls....

[Farma]

I thought that was what you were aiming at bkkjames.

I’m not sure how laptops affect Airbus, there are other confirmed reports of laptops causing flight control interference including one not so long ago when a cordless mouse caused a jumbo to veer 3 degrees off course.

I’ve personally watched a very upset pilot get out of a military jet that went haywire after the backseater used his mobile phone in flight.

Edited October 9, 2008 by Farma

[GungaDin]

Well Old Croc, heavyweight reference was not about your intelligence.

So you were actually calling me a fat bastard! Run out of other comebacks?

You can't easily check news sources to keep yourself informed, but like to throw crap at people that can and share that information with the forum. Sad!

I think you should give it away Jimmy, you are sounding increasingly pathetic.

Are you here for the 5 or 10 minute argument Crock Eyes? Me thinks it has nothing to do with a laptop on an A330, unless others can confirm that they have been told to not use theirs inflight.

Probably the pilot fell asleep and hit the controls....

Give it a rest.

[bkkjames]

I thought that was what you were aiming at bkkjames.

I’m not sure how laptops affect Airbus, there are other confirmed reports of laptops causing flight control interference including one not so long ago when a cordless mouse caused a jumbo to veer 3% off course.

I’ve personally watched a very upset pilot get out of a military jet that went haywire after the backseater used his mobile phone in flight.

I don't know honestly but I would suspect that if it was a notebook computer that is thought to be the cause of this incident, then would not the FAA, and Australian equivelent issue a safety directive banning notebooks inflight?

My gut feeling that if they really thought this was the case, they would have been banned immediately and err on the side of caution - better safe than sorry.

[Farma]

It’s been mentioned in the Oz media that passengers would be interviewed on laptop usage during flight as part of the investigations. As far as erring on the side of caution and banning laptop usage during flight is concerned that’s a decision people in the know have to make. I’m not one of them.

This is part of the ATSB media release linked earlier in the thread.

“While it is likely to take some number of months, the ATSB will release a Preliminary Factual report within about 30 days. Furthermore, should any critical safety issues emerge that require urgent attention, the ATSB will immediately bring such issues to the attention of the relevant authorities who are best placed to take prompt action to address those issues.”

[bkkjames]

Give it a rest.

This might make it less boring for you and old croc, nothing to do with notebooks.....

QANTAS was repeatedly warned about potential problems with elevation systems on an aircraft that plunged out of control, injuring 74 people.

The Singapore-Perth Airbus climbed steeply "of its own accord" then pitched rapidly downwards in a dramatic midair incident on Tuesday afternoon.

Investigators yesterday were unable to explain the cause of the event, which has been officially recorded as an aviation accident.

But the Herald Sun can reveal Qantas and other airlines were warned in July 2004 and again in August last year about the potential for a serious malfunction aboard the A330-300 series aircraft.

The Civil Aviation Safety Authority warned of potential problems with elevation controls, including concerns about potential break-down of hydraulic "O-ring" seals.

Airlines were told to do maintenance and pre-flight checks because of the problem, which could result in "elevator control loss" -- the issue at the centre of Tuesday's scare.

Qantas operates 10 A330-300 aircraft, which could be grounded if safety investigators believe there may be problems across the fleet.