Anti Epl Feeling

[rixalex]

It seems like, one way or another, the EPL is under constant attack from the rest of Europe.

Platini and Blatter seem to have some sort of an anti EPL agenda. Why would that be? Any ideas?

[bkkjames]

It seems like, one way or another, the EPL is under constant attack from the rest of Europe.

Platini and Blatter seem to have some sort of an anti EPL agenda. Why would that be? Any ideas?

Premier Envy I would guess.

[lazeeboy]

It seems like, one way or another, the EPL is under constant attack from the rest of Europe.

Platini and Blatter seem to have some sort of an anti EPL agenda. Why would that be? Any ideas?

Premier Envy I would guess.

the EPL is and has the best footballers in the world playing in it ,my guess is they are jelious of it..

[mrbojangles]

It seems like, one way or another, the EPL is under constant attack from the rest of Europe.

Platini and Blatter seem to have some sort of an anti EPL agenda. Why would that be? Any ideas?

Premier Envy I would guess.

the EPL is and has the best footballers in the world playing in it ,my guess is they are jelious of it..

I concur.

Also, this d1ckhead Lord Triesman, FA Chairman, wants to wage cap players in the EPL. Can't do it unless the rest of the world does it too.

[mrtoad]

Politicians are complete tools, Triesman is a prick who, no surprise has no football background, other than having an alligence to Spurs. This piece of shit deserves no respect, and is a typical corporate politician who has crawled up on the political gravy train to line his pockets further. The fact that he is now working for the FA is of no surprise sadly considering his background, he is the classic FA old fart.

He's probably pretty bitter, that the fact that his team, who continue to spend big sums of money are now propping up the league as usual at this time of year.

As for Platini, as much as I respected him as player (brilliant), he is becoming a typical moaning French/ European. They just don't like the fact that the EPL teams are dominant. Didn't here the complaints in the mid 80's / 90's when it was the Italians/Spanish with all the cash and dominating the comps.

Edited October 9, 2008 by mrtoad

[spiderman2]

They may be bitter but i think they have a good point when wanting local homegrown players in each team.

They are also bang on the ball when saying that Arab businessman running English clubs, that have foreign managers and no English players in the team is not what football is about.

Or that taking an 11 year old kid from Marseille to Chelsea is wrong and IMO is totally immoral.

They have good points and im sure the majority of true fans agree with them its just they go about their business the wrong way.

As for debts the Premier League is a business in the EU so they can have debts as high as they want, but what are Man City going to do if the current owners get bored in a few years, or if Abramovich gets done in by the Russians, or if Villas director realises he's lost a lot of money as he can only finish 5th, theyll go bankrupt but on a far bigger scale then Leeds.

And its called the Premier League not the EPL.

Edited October 9, 2008 by spiderman2

[mrbojangles]

They are also bang on the ball when saying that Arab businessman running English clubs,

But it was alright before, when Russians and Americans owned the clubs?

that have foreign managers

Yeah, i suppose Mark Hughes, being Welsh is foreign but nobody complained when he played for united.

no English players in the team is not what football is about.

To name a few. Shaun W phillips and Micah Richards, English internationals. Joe Hart, Micheal Johnson are regulars in the side. Daniel Sturridge and Ched Evans up and coming. Richard Dunne and Steven Ireland, Irish Internationals

[spiderman2]

They are also bang on the ball when saying that Arab businessman running English clubs,

But it was alright before, when Russians and Americans owned the clubs?

that have foreign managers

Yeah, i suppose Mark Hughes, being Welsh is foreign but nobody complained when he played for united.

no English players in the team is not what football is about.

To name a few. Shaun W phillips and Micah Richards, English internationals. Joe Hart, Micheal Johnson are regulars in the side. Daniel Sturridge and Ched Evans up and coming. Richard Dunne and Steven Ireland, Irish Internationals

FIFA and UEFA and English fans that dont like all the non CLUB generated money in the game have been talking about this long before Man City got taken over so no it isnt aimed at Man City, but about ENGLISH football in general.

Mrbojangles - Now this is aimed at Man City, the first superstar signing the new owners have made is foreign, if the next batch of 20+ million GBP signings they buy in the upcoming 2 transfer windows are all foreign will you accept that the new ownership is going to be detromental to the English players from the Man City youth academy which at present looks as if its about the best in England for English players?

Edited October 9, 2008 by spiderman2

[spiderman2]

But it was alright before, when Russians and Americans owned the clubs?

You saw the reaction of Man U fans when Americans bought the club then heaped the debt onto the club, and Abramovich really has done the best he can to kill meaningful competition aswell as putting the breaks on SWP career for a few years, so no it isnt aimed at Arabs, i apologise to the Arabworld for my error.

[mrbojangles]

Mrbojangles - Now this is aimed at Man City, the first superstar signing the new owners have made is foreign, if the next batch of 20+ million GBP signings they buy in the upcoming 2 transfer windows are all foreign will you accept that the new ownership is going to be detromental to the English players from the Man City youth academy which at present looks as if its about the best in England for English players?

It's been so long since we won anything spiderman, i don't care what we have to do

But to answer your question. We probably will end up buying some more foreigners. If that is the quick fix solution to get us competing as a top four team, then that's what will be done. However, Abu Dhabi have already recognised the importance of our academy and they put out a lengthly statement to the city fans, outlining how they will support and invest in the academy for the future players.

[bkkjames]

But it was alright before, when Russians and Americans owned the clubs?

You saw the reaction of Man U fans when Americans bought the club then heaped the debt onto the club, and Abramovich really has done the best he can to kill meaningful competition aswell as putting the breaks on SWP career for a few years, so no it isnt aimed at Arabs, i apologise to the Arabworld for my error.

I suggest you aim your barbs at Arsenal, besides the young speedster, how many English / UK nationals are on that side?

Teams like United and Chelsea have tons of UK talent on the team and in the reserves but they are bad guys for having debt unrelated to stadiums.

Sorry, I will take a EPL team with some local talent over a french/african/spanish side that resides in London.

Platini is a moron, Arsenal have stadium debt and that's ok, but virtually no home grown talent on the team anywhere besides walcott. His arguement, as usual is totally rediculous.

[gennisis]

But it was alright before, when Russians and Americans owned the clubs?

You saw the reaction of Man U fans when Americans bought the club then heaped the debt onto the club, and Abramovich really has done the best he can to kill meaningful competition aswell as putting the breaks on SWP career for a few years, so no it isnt aimed at Arabs, i apologise to the Arabworld for my error.

I suggest you aim your barbs at Arsenal, besides the young speedster, how many English / UK nationals are on that side?

Teams like United and Chelsea have tons of UK talent on the team and in the reserves but they are bad guys for having debt unrelated to stadiums.

Sorry, I will take a EPL team with some local talent over a french/african/spanish side that resides in London.

Platini is a moron, Arsenal have stadium debt and that's ok, but virtually no home grown talent on the team anywhere besides walcott. His arguement, as usual is totally rediculous.

Sorry.but your Arsenal comments just are not correct.You are correct with regards to the present first team but you are well off the mark when you look at the complete Arsenal squad.Arsene Wenger has been nuturing,what he thinks is only the best English talent that will suit his style of play,and there are at least 6 coming up to the stage of being considered for league action,not this year agreed but in the near future. There have been many players who when young were at Arsenal,but failed his 'Test' as not being good enough for him,both ability wise and off field behaviour...eg Bently...gambling and Pennant just being an idiot....good players,but justnot good enough for Arsenal .As he says...he looks for skill not passports.

[bkkjames]

But it was alright before, when Russians and Americans owned the clubs?

You saw the reaction of Man U fans when Americans bought the club then heaped the debt onto the club, and Abramovich really has done the best he can to kill meaningful competition aswell as putting the breaks on SWP career for a few years, so no it isnt aimed at Arabs, i apologise to the Arabworld for my error.

I suggest you aim your barbs at Arsenal, besides the young speedster, how many English / UK nationals are on that side?

Teams like United and Chelsea have tons of UK talent on the team and in the reserves but they are bad guys for having debt unrelated to stadiums.

Sorry, I will take a EPL team with some local talent over a french/african/spanish side that resides in London.

Platini is a moron, Arsenal have stadium debt and that's ok, but virtually no home grown talent on the team anywhere besides walcott. His arguement, as usual is totally rediculous.

Sorry.but your Arsenal comments just are not correct.You are correct with regards to the present first team but you are well off the mark when you look at the complete Arsenal squad.Arsene Wenger has been nuturing,what he thinks is only the best English talent that will suit his style of play,and there are at least 6 coming up to the stage of being considered for league action,not this year agreed but in the near future. There have been many players who when young were at Arsenal,but failed his 'Test' as not being good enough for him,both ability wise and off field behaviour...eg Bently...gambling and Pennant just being an idiot....good players,but justnot good enough for Arsenal .As he says...he looks for skill not passports.

The proof is in the 11 on the field every week. As for looking for skill not passports, based on the last two league games and recent run of trophies, perhaps he should start looking closer at the passports.

[rixalex]

They are also bang on the ball when saying that Arab businessman running English clubs, that have foreign managers and no English players in the team is not what football is about.

Not what football is about ??? Football is about entertaining people isn't it?

And its called the Premier League not the EPL.

Are you being pedantic for the sake of it or are you making a point?

[spiderman2]

But to answer your question. We probably will end up buying some more foreigners. If that is the quick fix solution to get us competing as a top four team, then that's what will be done. However, Abu Dhabi have already recognised the importance of our academy and they put out a lengthly statement to the city fans, outlining how they will support and invest in the academy for the future players.

If Platini wanted to become useful he would see revenues from UEFA competitions distributed more evenly, hence Man City/ Newcastle/ Villa/ Everton wouldnt need sugar daddies coming from wherever to enable them to compete with teams such as Chelsea who they are far bigger then, this is under his juristiction.

Im sure everyone on here agrees with UEFA ,FIFA about the 39th game, that the pr7ck Scudamore just wont accept is a fcuken joke and is going to antagonise the aforementioned organisations.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/e...rem/7661836.stm

The Premier League most certainly doesnt care less about fair competition or young English players, its only interest is making money, if Blatter and Platini can impliment changes that make it better for English players to come through and bring clubs closer to the community in which they are from then i wish them all the success in the world.

[tw25rw]

And its called the Premier League not the EPL.

Are you being pedantic for the sake of it or are you making a point?

He's right. No one in the UK calls it the EPL. Only foreigners and expats who don't know any different.

[mrbojangles]

And its called the Premier League not the EPL.

Are you being pedantic for the sake of it or are you making a point?

He's right. No one in the UK calls it the EPL. Only foreigners and expats who don't know any different.

Just in case you are not aware. Not only English post in here, it's a multi-national board.

Yeah, personally i never say the EPL except in this forum but to ensure there was no confusion when the forum was first introduced, that is what we decided would be best to call it.

Believe it or not, Americans thought this forum was about throwing an egg shaped ball about, so it was also decided to add the word "soccer" to save any confusion.

[Jockstar]

Believe it or not, Americans thought this forum was about throwing an egg shaped ball about, so it was also decided to add the word "soccer" to save any confusion.

Some still get confused now and again.

[rixalex]

And its called the Premier League not the EPL.

Are you being pedantic for the sake of it or are you making a point?

He's right. No one in the UK calls it the EPL. Only foreigners and expats who don't know any different.

People in the UK don't call it the EPL for fairly obvious reasons. The "E" is kind of superfluous and unnecessary. Stating the obvious.

People who are thousands of miles away from the UK, living and conversing amongst a wide spectrum of people of different origins, may well however find the term EPL easy to use and difficult to misunderstand.

I'm sorry if the term EPL really upsets you that much, but at the end of the day it's just a name. A little less pedantry would be nice.

Back to the topic in hand. I fully concur with whoever it was earlier in this thread who wondered why when the Spanish and particularly the Italian league was so dominant, nobody seemed to be complaining.

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter how much foreign influence there is over a club like Man City, it's roots are so deeply entrenched in that local area and nothing will change that.

As an England fan, one hopes that English players are good enough to play for English clubs, but if they are not, so be it. The EPL is a product and it's only natural and right that it should strive to be the best, and right now it is. Some people seem to struggle with that.

[bravingbangkok]

So he thread has gone from being about that French <deleted> Platini do whether or people in the Uk use the phrase 'EPL' ??????????? NICE ONE GUYS !

Look this is actually all about religion, ever since we broke from the Roman Catholic church we have been in a never ending war with continental Europe. Neither side will admit to this but it has, is and will continue to go on. Anything we win or do better than the continent they will complain and scream how it so unfair. How would you feel if you had finally just re-made the Roman empire (EU) and the one country who did not change to the currency and who has basically ruled Europe for 1000 years in every way was doing better than you in almost every aspect with only about 1/8 of the popullation of the major continental countries have put together ?????????

You would be sucking on sour grapes all day long !

GOD SAVE THE QUEEN AND NONE OF THOSE EUROPEAN wanke_rS !

and I claimed you guys went off topic.....wow lol sorry guys

[mrbojangles]

and I claimed you guys went off topic.....wow lol sorry guys

No worries BBK.

If we put it into Football terms and staying on topic is counted as a shot on target. In here, we often like to shoot at goal but more often than not, we hit the corner flag

[spiderman2]

Are you being pedantic for the sake of it or are you making a point?

I was, and i apologise as we could have had a better chinwag about what champagne socialist Platini and his thieving friend Blatter are doing to better the English game.

Again i will say the way the go about doing it is totally wrong but i do agree with some of the points they are trying to change.

Foreign ownership is here to stay they cant do anything about that, but they can make football a more competitive competition and bring in rules to make it much more difficult for clubs to verge on bankruptcy.

The old divisions 3 and 4 whatever it is called now arent allowed to spend more 70% of income on wages this is a good start

[rixalex]

More anti EPL nonsense from Blatter:

"I have my concerns because the Premier League is the strongest in the world, definitely," he told BBC Radio 5 Live. "It is taking over in such a manner that the other leagues have difficulties to match it."

Why is he taking the angle that the Premier League is wrong for being so strong? Why not attack other leagues for not marketing themselves well enough and for being weak?

Blatter also believes that the England's top flight has an unhealthy imbalance of power, with only a handful of clubs contesting the title. "In a competition where two-thirds or three-quarters of the participants in the league play not to be first, but not to be relegated, there is something wrong," he added.

This problem is unique to Premier League? I think Mr Blatter will find the same situation in pretty much every league. In fact, take a look at any sport and you'll generally find it dominated by a few people or a few select teams.

And in regards to England's bid to host 2018 World Cup, this is what he had to say:

"What is the advantage of England?" said Blatter.

"If you look at the the technical infrastructure for stadiums and the organisation of football matches on the level of 50,000 people and upwards then they are ready to organise it, but they are not the only one."

The guy and his mate Plattini really do resent the success of English club football. I for one would love to see another successful year for all the EPL clubs in the Champions League just to rub their noses in it!

[bkkjames]

He is full of hot air, how many Spaniard's does Real Madrid field?

How many different teams have won La Liga in the last decade?

Face it Bladder and Platini, the best football in the world in not in your span-italy leagues.

If I ran the FA, I would go it on my own and not have to deal with these morons on the mainland.

[rixalex]

He is full of hot air, how many Spaniard's does Real Madrid field?

Quite so. And to quote another example, how many Italians took to the field the other week for Inter when they played Man U? One!

[bkkjames]

He is full of hot air, how many Spaniard's does Real Madrid field?

Quite so. And to quote another example, how many Italians took to the field the other week for Inter when they played Man U? One!

I guess his problem is the best one's don't play in their home countries, unlike the UK ones. Beck's no longer counts.

[MSingh]

It's been so long since we won anything spiderman, i don't care what we have to do

We are aware that City & their Fans now all ( not all but a lot ) have that attitude Mr BJ, don't worry about that..

Some may call them Ho's forgetting morals amongst other things by not caring what they have to do to reach that success, others, just desperate for them to be better as a Team.

Anyway, to answer the question & Blatter & Platini, how about a complete hatred for the English ??

That has a lot to do for it in my opinion but we'll never know that as the truth unless we pick apart certain quotes attributed to them & also as others have pointed out, a jealousy of how successful the Premiership has become..

[patklang]

After seeing my team get promoted to the premiership i have been so disappointed with the poor refereeing,cheats,divers and a general domination of the money clubs i would mind if it had a major overall.At least in the Championship i felt that,in general the players were more honest.

The worst diver by far is that PUFF Ronaldo who is a total scumbag and tries his hardest to get a player sent off every match and gets away with murder,because the refs are too scared to do something,as sir Alex runs the show.

So,yes,i would like a complete overall of the Premiership and weed out the Ronaldos of the world

[mrbojangles]

Although i concur about those two morons

If I ran the FA, I would go it on my own and not have to deal with these morons on the mainland.

If you did that, we wouldn't be able to play in the Champions League and UEFA Cup. The FA should gather up other football leaders who also despise those two and get them booted out. They are absolutely useless and consistently come out with enough garbage to warrant having their own personal land fill site.

[bkkjames]

Although i concur about those two morons

If I ran the FA, I would go it on my own and not have to deal with these morons on the mainland.

If you did that, we wouldn't be able to play in the Champions League and UEFA Cup. The FA should gather up other football leaders who also despise those two and get them booted out. They are absolutely useless and consistently come out with enough garbage to warrant having their own personal land fill site.

First of all BJ, we never play in the Uefa Cup But on the other one, me thinks it would only take a year for other leagues to follow suit. Champions League without EPL participation is a dead duck in the water.