Pm Warns Bangkok Public Of Bomb Threats

[branko99]

Well this is in accord with Kunying Porntip.

That should be scientific enough for most people.

It is a question of who gave what orders and the outcome.

So they now want to blame PAD for disrupting the funeral

or at least reducing the numbers of mourners. and messing with Loy Kraytong too.

That explains the sudden arrests in short succession of ALEDGED PAD bombers.

Transparent manipulation of the public as the governments legitamacy clock ticks down inexorably..

I have speak with some people in Pattaya whos have explain that they became 300 bhat per person to assist in PAD demonstracions.

Hose make many noise became 500-600 bhat.Hose have a Van became 2000 bhat per day.Who can stay in Gouvermetn house for more then 3 monts without salary?

We foreigner dont now to much about Thai history.But we now what is Democratics rule. It mean 50%+1 vote you have reight to compose government.Rabbele from the stret and barricade can not in Democrat Country desolate legal vote Gouverment.This is the way how Nacis came on power. PAD are NAZIS group.They are using like Nazis propaganda with many lie.But 100 time spoken lie became to be truth.In Democrat Country ho make barrikade on the street, and occupy Goverment house will be whip of with Police and if necessary with army.And became baton on the back,and put in jail.In eeach democratic country

PAD are NAZIS

Edited November 11, 2008 by branko99

[branko99]

independent news not PAD NACI propaganda:

Undemocratic rule of mob

Posted by supalak , Reader : 468 , 15:10:36 | Category : Thailand

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If the country has no rule of law and lacks of ability of law enforcement, the so-called democracy has already perished. Thai society was misled by the group of people called themselves People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD) on the true meaning of democracy and freedom of assembly.

The protesters dishonestly employed the article 63 of the military-sponsored constitution to shield themselves from legal actions and hijacked the term "civil disobedience" to prevent social criticism.

The article 63 of the constitution says pretty clear that people have the right to stage peaceful protest without weapons. Its second paragraph makes clearer that such freedom of assembly must not be prohibited unless the authorities enforce the law to protect people convenience in using public places; or to keep order of the country during war or the state of emergency.

By spirit of the law, people in democratic society have their own freedom of expression to show their political opinion. Agree or disagree, the authorities must allow them to speak freely through any means including their own mouths, media and street protest.

However, there is no right to violate the law in mature democratic society. Civil disobedience is not a pretext to violate the law and it is not the right to stay above the law. Mahatma Gandhi, the spiritual leader of India who used the civil disobedience in the struggle for independence against British Empire made clear that he would voluntarily submit to the arrest when any people in authority seeks the arrest to any civil resister.

Look at what the PAD has done over the past months when it staged a protest against the elected government of Samak Sundaravej. Their actions mostly run against the constitution, democratic norm and the so-called civil disobedience.

They has staged the protest on the traffic surface of the capital where is the most congested traffic of the world. Blocking the roads basically harms public utility of traveling and that is against the laws, not only the traffic law but also the constitution.

Storming into state properties at the NBT television station and the government house is not the constitutional right.

The protesters have their basic right to express their political desire to have the Prime Minister stepped down but there is no law to guarantee the right to stage the street protest to topple the government. When the group of people comes out to express their political will, the right has already been utilized and over. The protesters' aim to topple the government by other means out of the channels mentioned in the constitution is obviously against the Penal Code. The charge of treason could not be avoided.

Associated protests called by the state enterprises to put pressure to the government for the same goal is also against the law. Labor law allows workers to strike to improve working conditions, but the protest to achieve political goal is not guaranteed by the law.

In democratic country, of course, ordinary citizens have the right to topple the government, which runs the country against the will of the population. Thailand, too, has many legal mechanisms to bring the corrupt government down. Samak and his cabinet's member as well as his ruling People's Power Party and two other coalition parties are facing legal actions possibly resulting in ending of his government.

Street protest to force him leave the office is unnecessary unless the protesters have other ultimate goal which might be undemocratic and hurt the country's rule of law.

[auserb]

Well it looks like Mr T has lost a battle on the UK visa front so maybe he wants to go on the offensive in the LOS?

well, well Mr. T migh have lost the battle but he sure did not loose the war as yet.

We just wait and see na-krab

[Cisco]

Well this is in accord with Kunying Porntip.

That should be scientific enough for most people.

It is a question of who gave what orders and the outcome.

So they now want to blame PAD for disrupting the funeral

or at least reducing the numbers of mourners. and messing with Loy Kraytong too.

That explains the sudden arrests in short succession of ALEDGED PAD bombers.

Transparent manipulation of the public as the governments legitamacy clock ticks down inexorably..

I have speak with some people in Pattaya whos have explain that they became 300 bhat per person to assist in PAD demonstracions.

Hose make many noise became 500-600 bhat.Hose have a Van became 2000 bhat per day.Who can stay in Gouvermetn house for more then 3 monts without salary?

We foreigner dont now to much about Thai history.But we now what is Democratics rule. It mean 50%+1 vote you have reight to compose government.Rabbele from the stret and barricade can not in Democrat Country desolate legal vote Gouverment.This is the way how Nacis came on power. PAD are NAZIS group.They are using like Nazis propaganda with many lie.But 100 time spoken lie became to be truth.In Democrat Country ho make barrikade on the street, and occupy Goverment house will be whip of with Police and if necessary with army.And became baton on the back,and put in jail.In eeach democratic country

PAD are NAZIS

It is very Nazi like. The Phra Viharn issue was textbook. Stoke the fires of nationalism.

I'm quite surprised by the vitriol we hear from foreigners in support of the PAD. How did Thaksin piss in their Corn Flakes? Would we anticipate that the alternative "government", a body without representation, would provide a more foreigner friendly Thailand?

Really, where does this hatred come from?

[merijn]

I have speak with some people in Pattaya whos have explain that they became 300 bhat per person to assist in PAD demonstracions.

Hose make many noise became 500-600 bhat.Hose have a Van became 2000 bhat per day.Who can stay in Gouvermetn house for more then 3 monts without salary?

We foreigner dont now to much about Thai history.But we now what is Democratics rule. It mean 50%+1 vote you have reight to compose government.Rabbele from the stret and barricade can not in Democrat Country desolate legal vote Gouverment.This is the way how Nacis came on power. PAD are NAZIS group.They are using like Nazis propaganda with many lie.But 100 time spoken lie became to be truth.In Democrat Country ho make barrikade on the street, and occupy Goverment house will be whip of with Police and if necessary with army.And became baton on the back,and put in jail.In eeach democratic country

PAD are NAZIS

I don’t hope you are serious about your comments of comparing the PAD with the nazi’s

If so I think that it better for you to stop posting comments here on the bulletin board, because for that kind of people is no place here or anywhere.

I don’t mind that people don’t agree with something but comparing people with nazi’s should not be tolerated.

Why do you think that the PAD has to use a television channel based outside Thailand and asking the people for financial contributions for the people and equipment used in Bangkok.

And maybe a few spelling lessons wouldn’t hurt also for you.

[sriracha john]

independent news

Undemocratic rule of

< drivel snipped >

Please provide a source for this "news" if you're going to post it.

[sriracha john]

the threat, according to Somchai, doesn't start the 16th... it starts TODAY!

PM warns of risk on Loy Krathong

PM Somchai Tuesday warned general public to avoid going to crowded places at a full moon festival on Wednesday for fear that a third party could use the opportunity to instigate unrest. "I am really concerned about tomorrow night as people celebrate Loy Krathong. If possible, please avoid places where a large number of people are gathered," Somchai said. Somchai said he has assigned police to tighten security in the capital to ensure safety. He also said he has not been informed by the Special Branch police that a group would try to smuggle arms from borders to stage unrest in the capital on Sunday. "I have not been informed about that," he said. "But the day falls during the royal cremation ceremonies for Her Royal Highness Princess Galyani Vadhana so every one should stay

Continued here:

http://www.bangkokpost.com/breaking_news/b...s.php?id=131971

Edited November 11, 2008 by sriracha john

[sriracha john]

Responding to the reports of the parliamentary investigation into the October 7 violence at Parliament, Mr. Somchai said he still did not know the details.

Somchai said he did not even know who were the probers but the investigation could only be genuine if it can be proven scientifically.

probably the reason Somchai responds dumbly to reporters questions about the Senate Commission investigation is because he needs to face up to taking responsibility, like he said he would, by resigning.

The Senate group revealed its conclusion that police actions, which resulted in many injuries and loss of life, were an infringement on human rights.

The group also commented that government reparations for the incident until now are insufficient to the magnitude of the event.

- ThaiNews / 2008-11-11

included below are the above and his quotes where he promises to accept responsibility

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?s=...t&p=2325475

[sriracha john]

Coupled with his earlier warning to avoid large gatherings of people... on Loy Krathong???

Somchai also wants everyone to avoid crowds of people... for the funeral???

PM to public: Steer clear of crowds in city

Prime Minister Somchai Wongsawat yesterday warned the public in the capital to avoid crowded areas after the weekend. His warning came after advice from the metropolitan police that violence and explosions could occur in a number of locations in the city. The police, he said, had warned that violence could erupt in many places throughout Bangkok after Nov 16. Police had arrested several people possessing explosives in the past four days, Somchai said. The government is concerned because the royal cremation ceremonies of Her Royal Highness Princess Galyani Vadhana, the elder sister of King Bhumibol Adulyadej, will still be under way on Nov 16, he said. For Loy Krathong Day today, the Metropolitan Police Bureau plans to set up 90 checkpoints around Bangkok

Continued here:

http://www.bangkokpost.com/121108_News/12Nov2008_news16.php

Edited November 12, 2008 by sriracha john

[Jai Dee]

Off-topic posts referencing US politics have been deleted from this thread, as they have nothing to do with Thailand and nothing to do with the subject matter.

[peekint]

I'm a bit confused about what constitutes a "bomb" here and what is really just a big firecracker. Being in Chiang Mai at Loy Krathong is a bit like being in a war zone, reminiscent of the American national anthem (... bombs bursting in air ... )

I avoid the Loy Krathong celebrations on the river for this very reason - being tall, I seem to be a target for flying incendiary projectiles of all types. All are, of course, set off with the greatest intention of provoking fun and games, not misery and bliindness, yet the effects are the same.

But I digress.

The reason I ask about what constitutes a "bomb" is that I was watching the TV while waiting for an appointment somewhere, and there was a "bomb year in review" program on the news. A sequence of dates and photos and lists of injuries were displayed. Frankly, the "bomb" evidence looked even more measly than the destruction left behind by the Loy Krathong fireworks. When I hear "bomb", I imagine a sizable blast crater and nearby collateral damage to buildings and infrastructure. What was shown was generally smoky telephone booths or small dents in asphalt. This is not to minimize the injuries that such smaller devices can cause - hundreds of people a year lose hands and eyes at Loy Krathong, and several lose their lives - but I never hear the PM issue a "bomb" warning for Loy Krathong celebrations (he should).

So, what exactly constitutes a "bomb" in Thailand, and how is it different from a firework?

[toptuan]

I have speak with some people in Pattaya whos have explain that they became 300 bhat per person to assist in PAD demonstracions.

Hose make many noise became 500-600 bhat.Hose have a Van became 2000 bhat per day.Who can stay in Gouvermetn house for more then 3 monts without salary?

We foreigner dont now to much about Thai history.But we now what is Democratics rule. It mean 50%+1 vote you have reight to compose government.Rabbele from the stret and barricade can not in Democrat Country desolate legal vote Gouverment.This is the way how Nacis came on power. PAD are NAZIS group.They are using like Nazis propaganda with many lie.But 100 time spoken lie became to be truth.In Democrat Country ho make barrikade on the street, and occupy Goverment house will be whip of with Police and if necessary with army.And became baton on the back,and put in jail.In eeach democratic country

PAD are NAZIS

Can we get a translator, please?

[hammered]

Actually guards form the Plebs Against democracy were arrested with bombs. I suppose PAD have shown that they do not care about democracy and people and they will do anything to get the army involvced. It is a public secret that the PAD wqas also behind the new year bombings a while ago. I suppose it is tough for grown ups in yellow to admit that they have no right to exist. They should form a political party so they can be elected. But I suppose Chamlonmg knows how it feels to get wiped off the map with a party in bangkok and nationwide..

And yes they were about to disrupt the funeral, that is why the former Commander in Chief threatened them last week. (just in case you missed it)

If you care to talk to senior police you will find it is not a public secret that the PAD were involved in the New Year Bangkok bombings.

There are anti and pro government units armed to the teeth and ready to go at it any time. Neither side is better than the other in this respect and supporting one horse or the other is counterproductive.

What is the family name of the former CinC that asked the PAD to go home last week? It is a reasonable request imho but consdiering who made it puts it into a completley different politcal perspective when consiodering that there is a vicious power struggle between memebers of the Thai ruling classes going on right now.

[Jay_Jay]

I have speak with some people in Pattaya whos have explain that they became 300 bhat per person to assist in PAD demonstracions.

Hose make many noise became 500-600 bhat.Hose have a Van became 2000 bhat per day.Who can stay in Gouvermetn house for more then 3 monts without salary?

We foreigner dont now to much about Thai history.But we now what is Democratics rule. It mean 50%+1 vote you have reight to compose government.Rabbele from the stret and barricade can not in Democrat Country desolate legal vote Gouverment.This is the way how Nacis came on power. PAD are NAZIS group.They are using like Nazis propaganda with many lie.But 100 time spoken lie became to be truth.In Democrat Country ho make barrikade on the street, and occupy Goverment house will be whip of with Police and if necessary with army.And became baton on the back,and put in jail.In eeach democratic country

PAD are NAZIS

Can we get a translator, please?

I've tried to translate it as best as I could:

"I have spoken with some people in Pattaya who turned into 300 bt when demonstrating pads.

The noisy hoses are more expensive - around 500-600bt. It costs 2000 bt per day to wash your van down outside of government house if you're not willing to take a salary.

We foreigners know nothing, but we do know that the Democrats won the election. They won 51% of the vote.

When you vote like this, you tend to meet a lot of narcissists. Narcissists tend to lie en masse about their usage of pads.

In democratic countries, they hire hookers to make barricades on the street so that they can whip police and army members outside of government house. If the narcissists really get into it, they will use their batons as well and might even lock you up.

People who use pads are narcissists."

Edited November 12, 2008 by Jay_Jay

[kevkev1888]

I have speak with some people in Pattaya whos have explain that they became 300 bhat per person to assist in PAD demonstracions.

Hose make many noise became 500-600 bhat.Hose have a Van became 2000 bhat per day.Who can stay in Gouvermetn house for more then 3 monts without salary?

We foreigner dont now to much about Thai history.But we now what is Democratics rule. It mean 50%+1 vote you have reight to compose government.Rabbele from the stret and barricade can not in Democrat Country desolate legal vote Gouverment.This is the way how Nacis came on power. PAD are NAZIS group.They are using like Nazis propaganda with many lie.But 100 time spoken lie became to be truth.In Democrat Country ho make barrikade on the street, and occupy Goverment house will be whip of with Police and if necessary with army.And became baton on the back,and put in jail.In eeach democratic country

PAD are NAZIS

Can we get a translator, please?

I think anyone with half a brain can understand what this poster is trying to say, in what is obviously not their first language!

If you disagree argue your point, dont mock their english skills, like it makes you superior.

<snip>

Edited November 12, 2008 by Jai Dee
Flame deleted.

[hammered]

Well this is in accord with Kunying Porntip.

That should be scientific enough for most people.

It is a question of who gave what orders and the outcome.

So they now want to blame PAD for disrupting the funeral

or at least reducing the numbers of mourners. and messing with Loy Kraytong too.

That explains the sudden arrests in short succession of ALEDGED PAD bombers.

Transparent manipulation of the public as the governments legitamacy clock ticks down inexorably..

I have speak with some people in Pattaya whos have explain that they became 300 bhat per person to assist in PAD demonstracions.

Hose make many noise became 500-600 bhat.Hose have a Van became 2000 bhat per day.Who can stay in Gouvermetn house for more then 3 monts without salary?

We foreigner dont now to much about Thai history.But we now what is Democratics rule. It mean 50%+1 vote you have reight to compose government.Rabbele from the stret and barricade can not in Democrat Country desolate legal vote Gouverment.This is the way how Nacis came on power. PAD are NAZIS group.They are using like Nazis propaganda with many lie.But 100 time spoken lie became to be truth.In Democrat Country ho make barrikade on the street, and occupy Goverment house will be whip of with Police and if necessary with army.And became baton on the back,and put in jail.In eeach democratic country

PAD are NAZIS

It is very Nazi like. The Phra Viharn issue was textbook. Stoke the fires of nationalism.

I'm quite surprised by the vitriol we hear from foreigners in support of the PAD. How did Thaksin piss in their Corn Flakes? Would we anticipate that the alternative "government", a body without representation, would provide a more foreigner friendly Thailand?

Really, where does this hatred come from?

PAD and Sondhi, Thaksin and his PPP puppets all two sides of a coin. The Thai elite in a vicous power struggle. The PAD want limited elections and super powerful checks and balances. The PPP want elections and no check or balance on anything they do. Neither is right. Guess we shouldnt forget the 2500 innocents slaugtered under a Thaksin policy either.

It actually seems nobody really cares about democracy or put another way both sides want to cherry pick the bits that suit them. Then again power struggles may get dressed up as all kinds of things and both sides are doing this. However, it will probably all end up in a very nasty way. The hatred works both ways. Take a look at the acts and speeches of Sondhi and Thaksin recently. They both sound insane.

The one thing that the Thaksin and coup government seemed to agree on was making things more difficult for foreigners actually. Back pre-2000 regulations were incredibly lax.

[animatic]

Well this is in accord with Kunying Porntip.

That should be scientific enough for most people.

It is a question of who gave what orders and the outcome.

So they now want to blame PAD for disrupting the funeral

or at least reducing the numbers of mourners. and messing with Loy Kraytong too.

That explains the sudden arrests in short succession of ALEDGED PAD bombers.

Transparent manipulation of the public as the governments legitamacy clock ticks down inexorably..

I have speak with some people in Pattaya whos have explain that they became 300 bhat per person to assist in PAD demonstracions.

Hose make many noise became 500-600 bhat.Hose have a Van became 2000 bhat per day.Who can stay in Gouvermetn house for more then 3 monts without salary?

We foreigner dont now to much about Thai history.But we now what is Democratics rule. It mean 50%+1 vote you have reight to compose government.Rabbele from the stret and barricade can not in Democrat Country desolate legal vote Gouverment.This is the way how Nacis came on power. PAD are NAZIS group.They are using like Nazis propaganda with many lie.But 100 time spoken lie became to be truth.In Democrat Country ho make barrikade on the street, and occupy Goverment house will be whip of with Police and if necessary with army.And became baton on the back,and put in jail.In eeach democratic country

PAD are NAZIS

Why is it so many Pro-Thaksin newbie posters all signed up on about the same date,

Joined: 2008-06-14 but only now start to post, a lot. Seems there are SEVERAL

with almost the same exact sign up date,but do nothing for a long time and suddenly

BOOM lots of Pro-Thaksin crap.

So where you from foreigner? English sure isn't your language,

even your cut and paste from another source isn't in good English...

And not attributed to a source with a link to it.

Do you really expect us to roll over like puppies and believe that?

You obviously have an agenda, but it is short on verifiable facts.

Comparing PAD and Nazi's is spurious at best, and quite erroneous,

and in rather extremely poor taste at the anniversary of Crystal Nachte too.

Being nationalist and being national socialist are NOT the same thing by a long shot.

Being nationalist and being fascist are also NOT the same thing.

At least do some research before posting,

like read the dictionary for definitions and spelling.

Edited November 12, 2008 by animatic

[jerrylee]

Well if you are one of those grey sheeps that believe everything your government is telling you, think twice and smell the coffee.

You remember recently they announced to get a multi million dollar firewal, guess what

There is already filtering stuff in place. (check how they blocked certain video's from YT).

You can check this yourself with a bit of IT knowledge.

All mobile and landline traffic is monitored for keywords in many diff languages with help of the greatest country in the world (as they believe).

Just fearmongering, the same as the Bush administration has been doing.

Nothing will happen on the 16 th.

Just another day.

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[animatic]

the threat, according to Somchai, doesn't start the 16th... it starts TODAY!

PM warns of risk on Loy Krathong

PM Somchai Tuesday warned general public to avoid going to crowded places at a full moon festival on Wednesday for fear that a third party could use the opportunity to instigate unrest. "I am really concerned about tomorrow night as people celebrate Loy Krathong. If possible, please avoid places where a large number of people are gathered," Somchai said. Somchai said he has assigned police to tighten security in the capital to ensure safety. He also said he has not been informed by the Special Branch police that a group would try to smuggle arms from borders to stage unrest in the capital on Sunday. "I have not been informed about that," he said. "But the day falls during the royal cremation ceremonies for Her Royal Highness Princess Galyani Vadhana so every one should stay

Continued here:

http://www.bangkokpost.com/breaking_news/b...s.php?id=131971

Ah, so DAAD, UDD and Police General Wingnut don't have enough weapons

and need more Cambodean supplies?? Fear mongering.

Create fear to distract from the impending fall of the government.

And build a case for attacking PAD in a second bloody charade of faux truth.

[animatic]

Can we get a translator, please?

I've tried to translate it as best as I could:

"I have spoken with some people in Pattaya who turned into 300 bt when demonstrating pads.

The noisy hoses are more expensive - around 500-600bt. It costs 2000 bt per day to wash your van down outside of government house if you're not willing to take a salary.

We foreigners know nothing, but we do know that the Democrats won the election. They won 51% of the vote.

When you vote like this, you tend to meet a lot of narcissists. Narcissists tend to lie en masse about their usage of pads.

In democratic countries, they hire hookers to make barricades on the street so that they can whip police and army members outside of government house. If the narcissists really get into it, they will use their batons as well and might even lock you up.

People who use pads are narcissists."

:D ROTFLOL

Gotta use those sanitary napkin rings in Little Miss, Moon Maid and Stuck Pig strengths.

Edited November 12, 2008 by animatic

[OlRedEyes]

PAD and Sondhi, Thaksin and his PPP puppets all two sides of a coin. The Thai elite in a vicous power struggle. The PAD want limited elections and super powerful checks and balances. The PPP want elections and no check or balance on anything they do. Neither is right. Guess we shouldnt forget the 2500 innocents slaugtered under a Thaksin policy either.

It actually seems nobody really cares about democracy or put another way both sides want to cherry pick the bits that suit them. Then again power struggles may get dressed up as all kinds of things and both sides are doing this. However, it will probably all end up in a very nasty way. The hatred works both ways. Take a look at the acts and speeches of Sondhi and Thaksin recently. They both sound insane.

Exactly. Things move slowly here in Thailand. Someone remarked on the size of the 'bombs' here. There is a slow but seemingly unstoppable escalation in the depth of the divide, and the level of hatred and violence. If this continues, the level of violence, and the size of the bombs, will surely grow.

Because of the slow and steady escalation, people forget where it all started. Reality gets lost in a haze of growing hatred and propaganda. We are passing a point of no return, until somewhere down the line where the population gets tired of bloodshed and decide to talk. History shows that point is not easily reached.

Thailand already seems to be at a point where there is no way out anymore, except maybe another coup. Will that stop the trend? I doubt it. I think the die is cast, sadly. Once the population reaches the divide that it has, violence seems the only road. Nobody wants to talk. I doubt that the poor part of the populace that have tasted some consideration, irrespective of Thaksin's motives, for the first time in history, will ever quietly sink back into political oblivion again, coup or no coup. And the elite are absolutely not willing to part with their status, power and money either.

Dark days ahead.

[seri thai]

It is very Nazi like. The Phra Viharn issue was textbook. Stoke the fires of nationalism.

I'm quite surprised by the vitriol we hear from foreigners in support of the PAD. How did Thaksin piss in their Corn Flakes? Would we anticipate that the alternative "government", a body without representation, would provide a more foreigner friendly Thailand?

Really, where does this hatred come from?

PAD and Sondhi, Thaksin and his PPP puppets all two sides of a coin. The Thai elite in a vicous power struggle. The PAD want limited elections and super powerful checks and balances. The PPP want elections and no check or balance on anything they do. Neither is right. Guess we shouldnt forget the 2500 innocents slaugtered under a Thaksin policy either.

It actually seems nobody really cares about democracy or put another way both sides want to cherry pick the bits that suit them. Then again power struggles may get dressed up as all kinds of things and both sides are doing this. However, it will probably all end up in a very nasty way. The hatred works both ways. Take a look at the acts and speeches of Sondhi and Thaksin recently. They both sound insane.

The answers lie in 20thC history since the 1932 coup. Thailand has been a fascist state since then. the only alternative to feudal militarism offered has been the "national socialism" of Thaksin. The aristo-military represent the old money and sino-industrialists the new money. So you have a struggle between two right-wing factions trying to garner support from a socialist oriented general population. Both sides partaking in bread and circuses. This is a result of the eradication of socialist policies due to cold war pressures in the 1960's. Communism/ socialism is a dirty word to most people here. Socially beneficial policies are mostly window dressing and difficult to apply in an agrarian society. The tax payers in BKK dont want to fund a health service for hairy peasants. The peasants only recourse is ritual worship or false promises from Thaksin. Who do you vote for Hindenburg or Hitler? If world recession continues history can easily repeat itself as the last century is forgotten.

...and if China suffers from American isolationism as Japan did in the 30's all of the above will be moot anyway

[Scott]

I fail to see exactly why the gov't would issue a bomb warning if they didn't think it was credible. I highly doubt that given the events of the past while that people will greatly alter their plans. This certainly will not create any sense of panic. I've been in some situations where security was a real threat, and I don't take these alerts lightly. At the same time, I don't change my plans (unless something really specific comes along). Just be careful and reasonably cautious. These things are like lightening or car accidents--they get strike anyone, but good know there's a storm approaching.

If the gov't has any reason to believe that bombings might occur, they would be completely irresponsible in not issuing a warning.

After finding those guys with the ping-pong ball bombs that they were going to put in the garbage, I tend to think the threat might be justified.

[hEaDy]

It is very Nazi like. The Phra Viharn issue was textbook. Stoke the fires of nationalism.

I'm quite surprised by the vitriol we hear from foreigners in support of the PAD. How did Thaksin piss in their Corn Flakes? Would we anticipate that the alternative "government", a body without representation, would provide a more foreigner friendly Thailand?

Really, where does this hatred come from?

Anyone who is responsible for murdering 2,500 people certainly deserves hatred for their Nazi behavior. However, in the new emerging world, compassion rules. Therefore, even the likes of Bush and Toxsin deserve our compassion. If they knew any better they wouldn't control or try to control the Sheeple

It's fantastic that people are waking up to the exploitation and are making a stand...

What democracy are you talking about? Since when does paying much needed money to poor uneducated people to buy their votes equal democracy?

Funny how many of these pro-Toxin posters are newbies, eh? Your time is over - get over it and prepare your soul to feel the pain of all those you have inflicted misery upon. Amen

[OlRedEyes]

I fail to see exactly why the gov't would issue a bomb warning if they didn't think it was credible.

There could be a legion of reasons in a land where nothing is as it seems on the surface. Thailand is a conspiracy theorist's dream.

[hammered]

As Seri Thai says, the absence of any leftish, social democrsat or even socially liberal party on Thailand has contributed to the disaster we now witness. Thai politcs has for too long been too much about personalities, regional hero worship and right wing policies with the odd handout or concession bunged in.

[animatic]

It is very Nazi like. The Phra Viharn issue was textbook. Stoke the fires of nationalism.

I'm quite surprised by the vitriol we hear from foreigners in support of the PAD. How did Thaksin piss in their Corn Flakes? Would we anticipate that the alternative "government", a body without representation, would provide a more foreigner friendly Thailand?

Really, where does this hatred come from?

PAD and Sondhi, Thaksin and his PPP puppets all two sides of a coin. The Thai elite in a vicous power struggle. The PAD want limited elections and super powerful checks and balances. The PPP want elections and no check or balance on anything they do. Neither is right. Guess we shouldnt forget the 2500 innocents slaugtered under a Thaksin policy either.

It actually seems nobody really cares about democracy or put another way both sides want to cherry pick the bits that suit them. Then again power struggles may get dressed up as all kinds of things and both sides are doing this. However, it will probably all end up in a very nasty way. The hatred works both ways. Take a look at the acts and speeches of Sondhi and Thaksin recently. They both sound insane.

The answers lie in 20thC history since the 1932 coup. Thailand has been a fascist state since then. the only alternative to feudal militarism offered has been the "national socialism" of Thaksin. The aristo-military represent the old money and sino-industrialists the new money. So you have a struggle between two right-wing factions trying to garner support from a socialist oriented general population. Both sides partaking in bread and circuses. This is a result of the eradication of socialist policies due to cold war pressures in the 1960's. Communism/ socialism is a dirty word to most people here. Socially beneficial policies are mostly window dressing and difficult to apply in an agrarian society. The tax payers in BKK dont want to fund a health service for hairy peasants. The peasants only recourse is ritual worship or false promises from Thaksin. Who do you vote for Hindenburg or Hitler? If world recession continues history can easily repeat itself as the last century is forgotten.

...and if China suffers from American isolationism as Japan did in the 30's all of the above will be moot anyway

Good analysis.

And interesting coming from your TV Name/Handle.

The conundrum:

How to aide the masses in an agrarian society,

when most socialist programs are firmly stamped out.

How to give them a voice in their futures,

without their vote falling into scurrilous and unscrupulous hands.

How to provide services without the load being onerous on this nascent middle class,

only just recently pulling out of the same poverty line, and into a modern life.

Hamstring or stiffle the middle class too much and everything slows again.

These middle classes are often the lifeline to the country cousins, and as such help

raise them, mostly on a intra familial level rather than as a mass movement.

How must this transition pan out.

Well hopefully the potential Hitler equivalent will not be available.

The last thing this country needs is a vengeful egomaniac with both hands on all the levers...

One thing is obvious in politics and dealing with bureaucracies:

If you want to REALLY get from A to B, and stay at B,

you aim for D, then you get to B, and sometimes even C,

but then get pushed back to B... where you wanted to be in the first place.

Goal accomplished eventually

The amorphous and over reaching nature of PAD's proposals, IMHO

are put forward not to be reached, but as a way to get CLOSER to

something useful in the long run. That eradicates something detrimental.

While the PPP side's goals are to get what they want, blatantly;

which is to GET as much as possible NOW, regardless of others well beings.

One is looking at a long term change,

the other at short term profit and little else.

Edited November 12, 2008 by animatic

[Plus]

The Thai elite in a vicous power struggle

Hmmm, not many from "elites" are on Thaksin's side. Those who are branded "new money" don't care about either sides - they'd just side with the victor, just like bureaucrats who know everything about ass kissing - today they are here, tomorrow there. Haven't you noticed that Thaksin relies on brainwashed fans as him main force, not on elite support. He doesn't represent any elites anymore, it's not pre2000 fight for a place at the trough.

Another thing about this elite clash - how exactly Thaksin has threatened their position? When people say this, do the mean reallocation of resources to the countryside, to the rural masses? It's &lt;deleted&gt; - Thaskin pumped a lot more funds into upper levels of society and taking care of those who fell in 1997 was his primary business. The elites were doing extremely well under his rule, nothing to complain.

It's a lot more simple - the elites in this country have certain principles they are not going to compromise on, and Thaksin didn't show any respect. He is breaking the "Rules" every day - that is unacceptable. That threatens the order and meets with resistance. Keep your word, respect the elders, don't lie to them, accept your position and be happy with what you have (and he was given a LOT), and just generally fit in.

Now he's a maverick, relying on mass support to bulldoze through, offending everyone on his path - that's not going to cut it.

In short - there's no clash of elites - it's one man's struggle to survive after pissing off just about everybody.

[DegenFarang]

Sucks for the tourism industry.

[jitagon]

Well this is in accord with Kunying Porntip.

That should be scientific enough for most people.

It is a question of who gave what orders and the outcome.

So they now want to blame PAD for disrupting the funeral

or at least reducing the numbers of mourners. and messing with Loy Kraytong too.

That explains the sudden arrests in short succession of ALEDGED PAD bombers.

Transparent manipulation of the public as the governments legitamacy clock ticks down inexorably..

I have speak with some people in Pattaya whos have explain that they became 300 bhat per person to assist in PAD demonstracions.

Hose make many noise became 500-600 bhat.Hose have a Van became 2000 bhat per day.Who can stay in Gouvermetn house for more then 3 monts without salary?

We foreigner dont now to much about Thai history.But we now what is Democratics rule. It mean 50%+1 vote you have reight to compose government.Rabbele from the stret and barricade can not in Democrat Country desolate legal vote Gouverment.This is the way how Nacis came on power. PAD are NAZIS group.They are using like Nazis propaganda with many lie.But 100 time spoken lie became to be truth.In Democrat Country ho make barrikade on the street, and occupy Goverment house will be whip of with Police and if necessary with army.And became baton on the back,and put in jail.In eeach democratic country

PAD are NAZIS

Why is it so many Pro-Thaksin newbie posters all signed up on about the same date,

Joined: 2008-06-14 but only now start to post, a lot. Seems there are SEVERAL

with almost the same exact sign up date,but do nothing for a long time and suddenly

BOOM lots of Pro-Thaksin crap.

So where you from foreigner? English sure isn't your language,

even your cut and paste from another source isn't in good English...

And not attributed to a source with a link to it.

Do you really expect us to roll over like puppies and believe that?

You obviously have an agenda, but it is short on verifiable facts.

Comparing PAD and Nazi's is spurious at best, and quite erroneous,

and in rather extremely poor taste at the anniversary of Crystal Nachte too.

Being nationalist and being national socialist are NOT the same thing by a long shot.

Being nationalist and being fascist are also NOT the same thing.

At least do some research before posting,

like read the dictionary for definitions and spelling.

Exactly! The same as when the PAD first occupied Government House, all these Newbies posting. And the bomb scare. Really.

Well, what did you think Toxin and his brother-in-law were talking about with their little tete a tetes in Manila and HongKong then? And all this just a few days after, what a coincidence

Edited November 12, 2008 by jitagon