Australian Drug Smuggler Arrested At Suvarnabhumi

[Sisaketmike]

Whatever sentence he gets - som nam na!

Sorry, but I had to puke while reading 'the news'.......YES: SOM NAM NA.......

First of all: I know what I'm writing about. I needled around for too many years in Europe. 95% of my 'friends' are dead. Died because of AIDS, HEP, O.D.s' and other fuc_king stuff......I was addicted and I never brought somebody 'on the needle.' When they tried AZT to my friends,I saw the death next to them, I was holding the hand of a girl short before her AIDS death, she was the most beautiful girl in town..before an asshol_e brought her on. I went through things other people couldn't even imagine. So when I tell you what I think, please don't get me wrong....just kill this guy, who's talking about his child..all he's got? He should not have children. Take 3 kilos white stuff, make 6 out of it, sell it to people and be rich selling the death? An asshol_e like this hasn't got the right to live any more. There's not more to say. Ask any guys who got H. addicted sons, or daughters, and they'll let you know what they'll do. The last I've heard from Europe was that a 23 year old girl died overdosed. What would you think if that was your daughter? I hope that there's a hel_l for you asshol_e. Piss off. P.S. The boy on the photo is our son. I'd kill anybody, who'd do that to him...

Edited December 22, 2008 by Sisaketmike

[ourmaninbangers]

This is typical TV fashion ust put the guy down to hel_l and call him all the names under the sun.

...

I for one dont like to see the drug dealers get life it just aint right, life should be saved for the pedos, rapist and murderers not some poor mule who was probably gonna get a few g for his cut..

good luck mate, and i mean that

i am with you here. and would go even further.

legalise it. a win-win situation.

it's not only the individual right of a person to do what ever he want with his body, also economic wise for the society drug legalisation would be smarter.

let the people who want buy drugs buy it to free market prices. they buy it anyway and it's available anyway, despite harsh laws and prohibition. look at the alcohol prohibition years in the states.

the drug-related crime, stealing to get money to buy drugs, violence against rival drug dealers would disappear.

anti drug laws help only the big drug cartels to have a monopol market and keep the prices up.

legal drugs can be produced under pharmaceutical conditions, controlled by the FDA. the consumer can buy "clean" drugs and not some dirty dangerous cocktails mixtures. the "dirty" drugs, not pure drugs are actually responsible for the most medical damage that comes with drugs.

law enforcement agencies can focus on real crimes and don't have to waste money and man power on the war on drugs (or can not extract corruption money from the busisness anymore)

you don't have to jail the user anymore. pusher, trader, dealer will have to do some other work.

i am here with milton friedman. i don't like youtube videos as argument so much, but for a couple of people are texts maybe to long to read. so listen to this man to hear the point.

there are also field studies around that prove that legalising do good. but okay, there are also people with the same professional background who say the opposite.

before you flame me take your time, google: *legalize/legalise drugs* to get some idea of the pro and counter arguments.

i don't like drugs and i saw some personal tragedies, victims of drug abuse. prohibition didn't help them. educational advertising instead of demonising maybe had done it. i think the pro legalisation arguments are convincing.

above my position, thats why i can not jump on that australian man like the TVforum justice fighter.

he is dumb that is for sure, he should know the laws in thailand and should respect them, and he have to face his punishment according to the thai law.

but i can't not wish him death or can follow the most arguments here against him. mostly stupid arguments of redneck wannabe sheriffs.

people causing accidents and harm innocents because the driving drunk a car can get a away with much softer punishments as this drug mule who only deliver what other people want to buy out of free will.

OK you can label me as an red neck, Nazi, fascist and maybe even some more nice labels after my next comment.

In my opinion its very easy to stop drug trafficking.

Instead of hunting down traffickers and drug cartels its more sensible to dry out the market. Because the market is so lucrative that when you catch one, dozens of others will jump in to replace him.

So you must attack the costumers, because if there are no more customers the market lost his value, the same as a company who have no clients will go bankrupt.

How to achieve this?

Make a law that give every person who is in possession of any illegal drug the death penalty with a a lethal injection you can make this very humain way, doing it in a nice surrounding with good music, comfortable chair with a glass of wine.

Announce this law to the public 24 months before it will be implemented and give all drug addicts all the possible help and care to overcome their addiction. But state clearly that when the law is implemented there will be no more excuses excepted.

So its up to their own free will to get help, so if they refuse to be helped, you can say they choose voluntary to commit suicide. In Fact they are committing suicide now also, its only takes a litle bit longer

This law will make an end to a lot of suffering of drug addicts and society. because lets be frankly an drug addict have a life without any future.

I know such kind of law is almost impossible to implement in an democracy, but they can try to have an referendum about it. Because I honestly believe its the only solution, all the rest will fail.

And please don't make comments about Aids patients, handicapped people and so on, because they can be helped to have an productive life, while an drug addict is lost for society.

A better way is to legalise it and for the government of each country to supply it on prescription. This gives you the oportunity to provide medical support to the user, guarantee the quality of the drug and provide education for harm minimisation. Remember panadol has killed and is killing more people than heroin ever has or will. The cost of Government supplied Morphine is 38 cents an ampule

exellent- my faith is restoring

thank you

[ourmaninbangers]

Whatever sentence he gets - som nam na!

Sorry, but I had to puke while reading 'the news'.......YES: SOM NAM NA.......

First of all: I know what I'm writing about. I needled around for too many years in Europe. 95% of my 'friends' are dead. Died because of AIDS, HEP, O.D.s' and other fuc_king stuff......I was addicted and I never brought somebody 'on the needle.' When they tried AZT to my friends,I saw the death next to them, I was holding the hand of a girl short before her AIDS death, she was the most beautiful girl in town..before an asshol_e brought her on. I went through things other people couldn't even imagine. So when I tell you what I think, please don't get me wrong....just kill this guy, who's talking about his child..all he's got? He should not have children. Take 3 kilos white stuff, make 6 out of it, sell it to people and be rich selling the death? An asshol_e like this hasn't got the right to live any more. There's not more to say. Ask any guys who got H. addicted sons, or daughters, and they'll let you know what they'll do. The last I've heard from Europe was that a 23 year old girl died overdosed. What would you think if that was your daughter? I hope that there's a hel_l for you asshol_e. Piss off. P.S. The boy on the photo is our son. I'd kill anybody, who'd do that to him...

yes.. well done, nice little diatribe and nice photo too-is it harley,? and the point being...???

I happen to know many people who took H, who did not go through what you did

who greatly enriched their live's so they say because of it

I think you may have what some call an adddictive personality, there are many who do not have this

I am very sorry what happened to your friends

perhaps if there were different measures in place they would not have gone that way

lets all blame the dealer, nobody seems to have freewill anymore do they

blame,blame, blame.....never us, never our fault... blame on anyone but US

obviously they must have forced things down peoples throats who were then unable to go for any sort of help due to backward law in the place

either these people were completely unable to act for themselves or.....

[permanent_disorder]

Whatever sentence he gets - som nam na!

Sorry, but I had to puke while reading 'the news'.......YES: SOM NAM NA.......

First of all: I know what I'm writing about. I needled around for too many years in Europe. 95% of my 'friends' are dead. Died because of AIDS, HEP, O.D.s' and other fuc_king stuff......I was addicted and I never brought somebody 'on the needle.' When they tried AZT to my friends,I saw the death next to them, I was holding the hand of a girl short before her AIDS death, she was the most beautiful girl in town..before an asshol_e brought her on. I went through things other people couldn't even imagine. So when I tell you what I think, please don't get me wrong....just kill this guy, who's talking about his child..all he's got? He should not have children. Take 3 kilos white stuff, make 6 out of it, sell it to people and be rich selling the death? An asshol_e like this hasn't got the right to live any more. There's not more to say. Ask any guys who got H. addicted sons, or daughters, and they'll let you know what they'll do. The last I've heard from Europe was that a 23 year old girl died overdosed. What would you think if that was your daughter? I hope that there's a hel_l for you asshol_e. Piss off. P.S. The boy on the photo is our son. I'd kill anybody, who'd do that to him...

some people say that using comic sans fonts is a crime.

why did you buy and take H in the first place? and H don't cause Aids or Hep, needle sharing does it. everybody knows that.

and what you want teach your son? always blame other?

[Kerryd]

A better way is to legalise it and for the government of each country to supply it on prescription. This gives you the oportunity to provide medical support to the user, guarantee the quality of the drug and provide education for harm minimisation. Remember panadol has killed and is killing more people than heroin ever has or will. The cost of Government supplied Morphine is 38 cents an ampule

exellent- my faith is restoring

thank you

Your faith is restoring because of a statement by someone who claims that panadol has killed, and is killing more people than heroin ever has or will ?

Oh yes, just "legalise it" and all the problems will go away. No more dealers, no more strung-out junkies or hookers, no more scum bags selling to kids.

Everything will be rosy and fine.

Your neighbourhood bus driver, dentist, cab driver, restaurant cook, firemen, bank clerk and their friends can all just line up to get their government certified safe (but still addictive) hard core drugs, shoot/snort/smoke them up and go back to work.

Oh what a wonderful world that would be. House is burning down, but the firemen are too stoned to care. Bank teller accidentally deletes your account while tripping ? No problem dude ! At least the druggie dentist should be able to stick the novacaine needle in you easily enough, if he can figure out which face is yours. Not a big deal ! And who cares if the bus driver is stoned out of his gourd as he hauls your kids to school ? At least you can sit back comfortable in the knowledge that you too can get stoned whenever you want, so who cares what happens to everyone else ?

Oh right, found out the other day that even in Holland, marijuana is ILLEGAL !!

Wow. I would have thought that if all these drugs were so safe and cheap and easy to manage, governments around the world would have legalised them years ago, and been making a killing off them (literally), just like they do with alcohol and tobacco taxes !

So why aren't they doing that ? Ah yes. I forgot. It's the "Great Conspiracy". ALL the governments of the world prefer to keep drugs illegal for no other reason than to stomp on the desires of a small percentage of the population.

Isn't it absolutely amazing, how various governments around the world, are able to all conspire together to prevent hard core drug use from becoming legal ?

Doesn't matter if they are Communist, Islamic, Democratic, Dictatorships, "Flavour of the Week", Liberal, Conservative, Confuzzled or Socialist, they all seem to be able to agree on this one issue.

Of course, according to some here, they are ALL wrong. Must be nice to know you are one of the very few, out of billions, that knows the real truth about the matter ?

[neverdie]

Neither is neverdie - and given his lack of intellect, based on the stereotypes he portrays above, unlikely to ever become one.

Mind you, he still qualifies as a paid up member and cheerleader of the (unfortunately not) exclusive "TV Hang 'Em High Club".

You are right about one thing Jacksplat, I'm not a customs officer, never have been & wouldnt want to be. Having said that I have served & protected the community both in my country & abroad for almost 20 years and I have dealt with enough grubs like this to be able to spot them at the country mile.

Never lose sight of the fact that this guy strapped 3kg of Heroine to his body and was trying to take it from Thailand to Australia, there is no way he could of not known this was a serious crime....he definately had the 'Mens Rea' when doing this & he is now going to serve a severe punishment at the hands of the Thai system & I absolutely applaude them for that. It's pathetic that he comitts this serious crime then tells us a sob story about his daughter....naturally the papers want to print this rubbish because it sells to bleeding hearts like yourself.

If you had any idea at what the consequences of these types of drugs, the spiral of destruction they cause and their greater overall effect on the community you might join the hang em high club too. Others will chose to point out how devastating legal drugs like alcohol are and I agree with them to a point, but having said that there are plenty of people who can consume alcohol without it becoming a problem, where as I doubt the same could be said about heroine. Its an ugly world out there Jack, perhaps if there wernt people out there like me then this issue may be THRUSTED into your world at some point & I can guarantee you wouldnt like it. I wouldnt concern yourself with my intellect, its probably my 'say it as it is' attitude thats got your attention.

You can go right ahead jack and brand me with the "Hang em high TV club" if you want but I can assure you that I was hangin them high long before THAIVISA even existed and I would still be doing that if I hadnt been injured and incapacitated after dealing with grubs like this. Anyway, you can go back to your "Big Girls Blouse club" and continue with filing your fingernails or whatever else you do to get in touch with your inner princess.

[benjamat]

This is typical TV fashion ust put the guy down to hel_l and call him all the names under the sun..

Yes the guy is stupid and he will really regret this for the rest of his life but npobody knows the circumstances on why he did this, maybe the guy was on his arse and in so much desperation that he thought it was the only was to do this, or there again maybe not..

I recon a fair few of the slag emm off characters have probably had a dabble in their time so it doesnt really make them any better whether the dealer or taker.

This guys life is effectivly gone now, it isnt law that after a few you get a pardon...

I for one dont like to see the drug dealers get life it just aint right, life should be saved for the pedos, rapist and murderers not some poor mule who was probably gonna get a few g for his cut..

good luck mate, and i mean that

Now this really gets me.

So the guys on a bit of a downer, hmmmm, what to do? I know, Ill smuggle some drugs and make some easy money, dont worry about things like kids being made into junkies or families destroyed.

Next time I feel a bit short I think i will rob a bank, Im sure you will give me a charachter reference and come to my defence, or maybe the next time I feel insulted I'll kill somebody and tell the world I was feeling under a bit of pressure.

It is the easy way that excuses are made for unacceptable behaviour that is a major cause of the decline in standards of behaviour we are all witnessing.

Edited December 22, 2008 by benjamat

[jackspratt]

You are right about one thing Jacksplat, I'm not a customs officer, never have been & wouldnt want to be. Having said that I have served & protected the community both in my country & abroad for almost 20 years and I have dealt with enough grubs like this to be able to spot them at the country mile.

Never lose sight of the fact that this guy strapped 3kg of Heroine to his body and was trying to take it from Thailand to Australia, there is no way he could of not known this was a serious crime....he definately had the 'Mens Rea' when doing this & he is now going to serve a severe punishment at the hands of the Thai system & I absolutely applaude them for that. It's pathetic that he comitts this serious crime then tells us a sob story about his daughter....naturally the papers want to print this rubbish because it sells to bleeding hearts like yourself.

If you had any idea at what the consequences of these types of drugs, the spiral of destruction they cause and their greater overall effect on the community you might join the hang em high club too. Others will chose to point out how devastating legal drugs like alcohol are and I agree with them to a point, but having said that there are plenty of people who can consume alcohol without it becoming a problem, where as I doubt the same could be said about heroine. Its an ugly world out there Jack, perhaps if there wernt people out there like me then this issue may be THRUSTED into your world at some point & I can guarantee you wouldnt like it. I wouldnt concern yourself with my intellect, its probably my 'say it as it is' attitude thats got your attention.

You can go right ahead jack and brand me with the "Hang em high TV club" if you want but I can assure you that I was hangin them high long before THAIVISA even existed and I would still be doing that if I hadnt been injured and incapacitated after dealing with grubs like this. Anyway, you can go back to your "Big Girls Blouse club" and continue with filing your fingernails or whatever else you do to get in touch with your inner princess.

Oh goody - another "living legend" on TV. To join the hundreds (if not thousands) of former SAS/Navy Seals etc you can meet in bars all around Thailand.

If you bothered to read my posts on this subject, you will see the only comment I have made on Mr Hoods is that he is stupid. He is just another dumb mule, and will reap his own reward.

What I find far more interesting and enlightened is the rabid response stories such as this invariably bring out on TV - yours included.

If you knew anything about heroin (a heroine is that pretty lady you see in the movies) you would know that people (not all) with a life-long addiction to the drug are capable of leading perfectly normal and productive lives hidden deep within the society they live. For those addicts who go off the rails, it is far more about their lifestyle and socio-economic conditions, than the drug that leads them where they may end up. And unfortunately, some even overdose before they have reached the stage of knowing what they can tolerate.

I happen to be a supporter of legalisation - for all the reasons outlined by enlightened posters earlier on. I also have a morbid fear of law enforcement personnel who add 1 + 1 and get 25

Edited December 23, 2008 by jackspratt

[bobbin]

For the nightmare scenario, look at Mexico today. More deaths this year than in Iraq. A cashed-up, exceedingly well-armed revolt against the State. On America's southern border. No level of law-enforcement or political office is safe.

The American government has to be concerned that this "hot war" will cross the border. There is no question that law-enforcement in Mexico has been all but neutralized by the fact that they find themselves in a shooting war. The same would/will happen in America.

Meanwhile, over the northern border in Canada, marijuana cultivation is the largest economic contributor in at least one major Canadian province. And the 2nd or 3rd largest cash crop in a few others. That was before the World-Wide Financial Crash.

They have been calling it a Drug War. It is becoming one. And like all wars, it must end one day.

Legalize. To take the financial reward out of the conflict.

Tax. To add to the governments bottom line.

Educate. To provide information untainted by ideology. And backed by believable scientific data.

[animatic]

Just read or watch 'Trainspotting '

to get a clue about his issue.

Irvin Welsh pulls no punches in this one.

[animatic]

Whatever sentence he gets - som nam na!

Sorry, but I had to puke while reading 'the news'.......YES: SOM NAM NA.......

First of all: I know what I'm writing about. I needled around for too many years in Europe. 95% of my 'friends' are dead. Died because of AIDS, HEP, O.D.s' and other fuc_king stuff......I was addicted and I never brought somebody 'on the needle.' When they tried AZT to my friends,I saw the death next to them, I was holding the hand of a girl short before her AIDS death, she was the most beautiful girl in town..before an asshol_e brought her on. I went through things other people couldn't even imagine. So when I tell you what I think, please don't get me wrong....just kill this guy, who's talking about his child..all he's got? He should not have children. Take 3 kilos white stuff, make 6 out of it, sell it to people and be rich selling the death? An asshol_e like this hasn't got the right to live any more. There's not more to say. Ask any guys who got H. addicted sons, or daughters, and they'll let you know what they'll do. The last I've heard from Europe was that a 23 year old girl died overdosed. What would you think if that was your daughter? I hope that there's a hel_l for you asshol_e. Piss off. P.S. The boy on the photo is our son. I'd kill anybody, who'd do that to him...

some people say that using comic sans fonts is a crime.

why did you buy and take H in the first place? and H don't cause Aids or Hep, needle sharing does it. everybody knows that.

and what you want teach your son? always blame other?

I knew two people who started using H because people laced their cigarettes with it, at age around 16...

One died the other kicked it after many years.

They had no intention of short/long term use, nor even trying the stuff.

The stuff sneaks up on you, and suddenly it isn't a choice anymore.

Some users want the company, some dealers are amoral enough to want new markets.

Some are blatantly lied to about this. Not all users started because of a decision of their own.

Still others were so sheltered that didn't properly understand the consequences,

and during youthful searching for themselves tried something, often told it weas something else,

and BOOM: life ruined.

To talk about using a font as a crime in a discussion

of this seriousness about REAL crime is just idiotic.

So stop being a FONT NAZI...

Edited December 23, 2008 by animatic

[grantbkk]

To the ill informed liberals who want to legalize heroin or methamphetamine try to think about your teenage son or daughter not coming down for breakfast one morning so you trudge off to their room again to get them off to work or school. You open the door and find you child with a needle stuck in an arm, foam coming out of the mouth and dead from a drug overdose. Do you say bad luck? Do you get a little upset at yourself for your stance on drugs? Do you get just a little angry at the drug lords, traffickers and pushers? All rhetorical questions. This is real life so we are going to have to deal with it.

I will educate my kids not to escape into drugs. What is your excuse?

Since the above scenario is already happening we can safely assume that prohibition isn't working. What is your solution? Harder penalties? Yeah, that'll make it better for those down on their luck.

Good on you TAWP! If everyone was as responsible as you obviously are, there would not be a problem here.

What do I need an excuse for?

Brighter people than us have determined that a combination of treatment and enforcement is a practical way to go. Drug trafficking promotes a non-tax illegal business that generates billions of Dollars while promoting murder and violence. The money from the operations is used to fund other illegal operations including international terrorism. Just read about nine heads being found on southern Mexico, recent victims of drug cartel violence.

Bleeding hearts are sometimes just that. Hearts that are bleeding. Tragic.

[neverdie]

Geeze sorry jacky, I didnt realise the spelling police were here again....imagine accidently making a typo & putting an 'e' on the end of a word. (If you look real closely, my posts are full of typos, spelling errors and the like....I guess that comes from not being a DESK JOCKEY). You state that your only comment on the post was that Mr Hoods was 'stupid' but I recall you making comments about what other people have to say about him....it would seem in your world that you're opinion is the only one that counts.

I'm most certainly not a 'living legend' as you put it & I don't know about all the guys you are meeting in bars, as I havent been to a bar in many years....I don't drink & its not my scene. Having said that, perhaps you should take the time to realise that if it wasnt for some of these guys you talk about the world might be a slightly different place & you might be somebody elses b#tch right now!

After reading your latest post, it is clear to me that you are definately a text book hero.....you've studied & obtained 3 or 4 degree's & you think the world revolves around university and some theory about life. Its highly likely jacky that in a certain point in my career I met more junkies in one week than you have in your entire lifetime......but I couldnt possibly be right, the text book says differently, right?

You state, "If you knew anything about heroin (a heroine is that pretty lady you see in the movies) you would know that people (not all) with a life-long addiction to the drug are capable of leading perfectly normal and productive lives hidden deep within the society they live". This gave away you're text book learnt theory, because I have also read about the supposed people that come forward and claim that they have had a life long addication & they believe that they are capable of leading perfectly normal & productive lives hidden deep within the society they live. After seeing what I have, I would say I'm very sceptical about this because I'm not sure if I call it 'normal' human behaviour to constantly fill ones veins with a drug like heroin, digging around upon ones body to find a new place to puncture ones skin with a needle, to spend excessive amounts of money achieving that all important high, then recklessly going about driving motor vehicles and other machinary whilst affected & endangering lives whilst doing so. Sharing needles & hiding away whilst injecting oneself, lieing to and deceiving people, causing family members and children to go without because they NEED to support their habit etc etc....none of these things are normal, but if you ask these people they will manipulate the truth and tell you indeed they live completely normal lives. Yeah OK Jacky, we believe you

Anyway, prior to your comments I only passed opinion on how it is likely that this Grub came to the attention of Authorities & that I was glad he was off the streets....I guess its one more down, another million to go. Good on the Thai Authorities I say . I didnt enter the post and attack another TV members and what they believe, I just called it how I saw it.....you seem to be the one that comes into the various posts, highlighting posts then setting about atacking their opinon...good for you jackyslat...you are my 'living legend'.

Perhaps you might like to come out now and tell us about you're story, how much you did of whatever you did, how normal you are & how sad this story about this junkie is, maybe you might be able to convince someone to join your bleeding hearts brigade, but it won't be me! You're not friends with this fellow are you?.....are you the bloke that got away? Perhaps its time for you to come clean Jacky, whadda ya say?

[TAWP]

To the ill informed liberals who want to legalize heroin or methamphetamine try to think about your teenage son or daughter not coming down for breakfast one morning so you trudge off to their room again to get them off to work or school. You open the door and find you child with a needle stuck in an arm, foam coming out of the mouth and dead from a drug overdose. Do you say bad luck? Do you get a little upset at yourself for your stance on drugs? Do you get just a little angry at the drug lords, traffickers and pushers? All rhetorical questions. This is real life so we are going to have to deal with it.

I will educate my kids not to escape into drugs. What is your excuse?

Since the above scenario is already happening we can safely assume that prohibition isn't working. What is your solution? Harder penalties? Yeah, that'll make it better for those down on their luck.

Good on you TAWP! If everyone was as responsible as you obviously are, there would not be a problem here.

What do I need an excuse for?

Brighter people than us have determined that a combination of treatment and enforcement is a practical way to go. Drug trafficking promotes a non-tax illegal business that generates billions of Dollars while promoting murder and violence. The money from the operations is used to fund other illegal operations including international terrorism. Just read about nine heads being found on southern Mexico, recent victims of drug cartel violence.

Bleeding hearts are sometimes just that. Hearts that are bleeding. Tragic.

You are saying that brighter people than us have decided it. The decisions was a product of their time. Much as the nuclear research prohibition in my home country today doesn't make any sense and the planned shutdown of all reactors seems to be over-turned and very much delayed.

The problem in Mexico is the result of drug wars, which is exactly what happens if you have a very successful product that you exclude from the common market place. You force the control into the hands of people without scruples, lose any form of oversight and - of course - lose the ability to tax it. But you cannot eradicate it. So you end up with all the downsides and none of the upsides.

But I can respect those that want all drugs, including alcohol and tobacco, to be banned. They are at least consistent. It's the 'everything is good as it is now'-crowd I don't get.

[grantbkk]

To the ill informed liberals who want to legalize heroin or methamphetamine try to think about your teenage son or daughter not coming down for breakfast one morning so you trudge off to their room again to get them off to work or school. You open the door and find you child with a needle stuck in an arm, foam coming out of the mouth and dead from a drug overdose. Do you say bad luck? Do you get a little upset at yourself for your stance on drugs? Do you get just a little angry at the drug lords, traffickers and pushers? All rhetorical questions. This is real life so we are going to have to deal with it.

I will educate my kids not to escape into drugs. What is your excuse?

Since the above scenario is already happening we can safely assume that prohibition isn't working. What is your solution? Harder penalties? Yeah, that'll make it better for those down on their luck.

Good on you TAWP! If everyone was as responsible as you obviously are, there would not be a problem here.

What do I need an excuse for?

Brighter people than us have determined that a combination of treatment and enforcement is a practical way to go. Drug trafficking promotes a non-tax illegal business that generates billions of Dollars while promoting murder and violence. The money from the operations is used to fund other illegal operations including international terrorism. Just read about nine heads being found on southern Mexico, recent victims of drug cartel violence.

Bleeding hearts are sometimes just that. Hearts that are bleeding. Tragic.

You are saying that brighter people than us have decided it. The decisions was a product of their time. Much as the nuclear research prohibition in my home country today doesn't make any sense and the planned shutdown of all reactors seems to be over-turned and very much delayed.

The problem in Mexico is the result of drug wars, which is exactly what happens if you have a very successful product that you exclude from the common market place. You force the control into the hands of people without scruples, lose any form of oversight and - of course - lose the ability to tax it. But you cannot eradicate it. So you end up with all the downsides and none of the upsides.

But I can respect those that want all drugs, including alcohol and tobacco, to be banned. They are at least consistent. It's the 'everything is good as it is now'-crowd I don't get.

Whitney Houston said it best. "Crack is whack!" In your idyllic world I suppose having generations of drug addicts on the streets, drooling and begging in your town is something you can accept. The younger ones, still with their teeth, can make some extra cash prostituting themselves, while they wait for their next government sponsored hit of their durg of choice. The TWAP police can just remove the dead bodies and clean up the secretions from your protected group. Sounds like a great place to live. perhaps you can use the dead as fuel to power the lights in your home country.

[TAWP]

To the ill informed liberals who want to legalize heroin or methamphetamine try to think about your teenage son or daughter not coming down for breakfast one morning so you trudge off to their room again to get them off to work or school. You open the door and find you child with a needle stuck in an arm, foam coming out of the mouth and dead from a drug overdose. Do you say bad luck? Do you get a little upset at yourself for your stance on drugs? Do you get just a little angry at the drug lords, traffickers and pushers? All rhetorical questions. This is real life so we are going to have to deal with it.

I will educate my kids not to escape into drugs. What is your excuse?

Since the above scenario is already happening we can safely assume that prohibition isn't working. What is your solution? Harder penalties? Yeah, that'll make it better for those down on their luck.

Good on you TAWP! If everyone was as responsible as you obviously are, there would not be a problem here.

What do I need an excuse for?

Brighter people than us have determined that a combination of treatment and enforcement is a practical way to go. Drug trafficking promotes a non-tax illegal business that generates billions of Dollars while promoting murder and violence. The money from the operations is used to fund other illegal operations including international terrorism. Just read about nine heads being found on southern Mexico, recent victims of drug cartel violence.

Bleeding hearts are sometimes just that. Hearts that are bleeding. Tragic.

You are saying that brighter people than us have decided it. The decisions was a product of their time. Much as the nuclear research prohibition in my home country today doesn't make any sense and the planned shutdown of all reactors seems to be over-turned and very much delayed.

The problem in Mexico is the result of drug wars, which is exactly what happens if you have a very successful product that you exclude from the common market place. You force the control into the hands of people without scruples, lose any form of oversight and - of course - lose the ability to tax it. But you cannot eradicate it. So you end up with all the downsides and none of the upsides.

But I can respect those that want all drugs, including alcohol and tobacco, to be banned. They are at least consistent. It's the 'everything is good as it is now'-crowd I don't get.

Whitney Houston said it best. "Crack is whack!" In your idyllic world I suppose having generations of drug addicts on the streets, drooling and begging in your town is something you can accept. The younger ones, still with their teeth, can make some extra cash prostituting themselves, while they wait for their next government sponsored hit of their durg of choice. The TWAP police can just remove the dead bodies and clean up the secretions from your protected group. Sounds like a great place to live. perhaps you can use the dead as fuel to power the lights in your home country.

Could you please stop being a melodramatic drama queen with silly straw man attacks?

What you are describing is what is happening TODAY. What generation was last free of drugs?

Your post must have been written in jest as surely no-one sane can read out that [aimed] future from my posts above.

Again, by excluding the trade from the legal market and by threatening users with jail-times (instead of focusing on helping them) we are making the problem worse. You are creating a separate layer of society where police and social services cannot reach those in need. Instead, if the trade was taxed, regulated and handled like a common commodity (with proper, clear, information about risks and downsides, not hyperbole), we won't only not end up hurting those we should be helping but also get something back from the trade. And we can make sure the drug barons (and the terrorist groups that you want to link to the trade) won't be getting rich from other peoples misfortune anymore. Any drug baron today want it to remain illegal. The prices are high, the profit high and the power ride they are on is a high in itself (barons are rarely users).

This is realpolitik in the face of 80 years of failure in the War of Drugs.

And as a note: The gentleman above have to do his time. He knew what he was doing and took a chance, now deal with it.

[jackspratt]

Geeze sorry jacky, I didnt realise the spelling police were here again....imagine accidently making a typo & putting an 'e' on the end of a word. (If you look real closely, my posts are full of typos, spelling errors and the like....I guess that comes from not being a DESK JOCKEY). You state that your only comment on the post was that Mr Hoods was 'stupid' but I recall you making comments about what other people have to say about him....it would seem in your world that you're opinion is the only one that counts.

I'm most certainly not a 'living legend' as you put it & I don't know about all the guys you are meeting in bars, as I havent been to a bar in many years....I don't drink & its not my scene. Having said that, perhaps you should take the time to realise that if it wasnt for some of these guys you talk about the world might be a slightly different place & you might be somebody elses b#tch right now!

After reading your latest post, it is clear to me that you are definately a text book hero.....you've studied & obtained 3 or 4 degree's & you think the world revolves around university and some theory about life. Its highly likely jacky that in a certain point in my career I met more junkies in one week than you have in your entire lifetime......but I couldnt possibly be right, the text book says differently, right?

You state, "If you knew anything about heroin (a heroine is that pretty lady you see in the movies) you would know that people (not all) with a life-long addiction to the drug are capable of leading perfectly normal and productive lives hidden deep within the society they live". This gave away you're text book learnt theory, because I have also read about the supposed people that come forward and claim that they have had a life long addication & they believe that they are capable of leading perfectly normal & productive lives hidden deep within the society they live. After seeing what I have, I would say I'm very sceptical about this because I'm not sure if I call it 'normal' human behaviour to constantly fill ones veins with a drug like heroin, digging around upon ones body to find a new place to puncture ones skin with a needle, to spend excessive amounts of money achieving that all important high, then recklessly going about driving motor vehicles and other machinary whilst affected & endangering lives whilst doing so. Sharing needles & hiding away whilst injecting oneself, lieing to and deceiving people, causing family members and children to go without because they NEED to support their habit etc etc....none of these things are normal, but if you ask these people they will manipulate the truth and tell you indeed they live completely normal lives. Yeah OK Jacky, we believe you

Anyway, prior to your comments I only passed opinion on how it is likely that this Grub came to the attention of Authorities & that I was glad he was off the streets....I guess its one more down, another million to go. Good on the Thai Authorities I say . I didnt enter the post and attack another TV members and what they believe, I just called it how I saw it.....you seem to be the one that comes into the various posts, highlighting posts then setting about atacking their opinon...good for you jackyslat...you are my 'living legend'.

Perhaps you might like to come out now and tell us about you're story, how much you did of whatever you did, how normal you are & how sad this story about this junkie is, maybe you might be able to convince someone to join your bleeding hearts brigade, but it won't be me! You're not friends with this fellow are you?.....are you the bloke that got away? Perhaps its time for you to come clean Jacky, whadda ya say?

You stick to your world full of black or white, good or bad, stereotypes and caricatures.

I will stay in the real world, thanks.

(And congratulations on coming up with the most variations on TV this year for variations of my TV nic. You really are a smart fella )

[marsteele]

Should throw the full brunt of thai law at him. If he did it in Australia he would probably just get 40 hours community work or at the most 1 yr in prison in a luxury cell with swimmings pools, cable T.V internet and get paid for being in there. Hang him I say

Why don't you try it then - a quick mule run to Oz

Surely the rewards far outweigh the risk, as you have so knowledgeably outlined above

wouldn't even consider it. Yes I have some knowledge of this having been a drug squad police officer arresting and charging these oxygen thieves only to see australian courts let them off with a slap on the wrist and a cut lunch. If the penalties were just as harsh as in thailand then maybe some may reconsider.

[jackspratt]

Should throw the full brunt of thai law at him. If he did it in Australia he would probably just get 40 hours community work or at the most 1 yr in prison in a luxury cell with swimmings pools, cable T.V internet and get paid for being in there. Hang him I say

Why don't you try it then - a quick mule run to Oz

Surely the rewards far outweigh the risk, as you have so knowledgeably outlined above

wouldn't even consider it. Yes I have some knowledge of this having been a drug squad police officer arresting and charging these oxygen thieves only to see australian courts let them off with a slap on the wrist and a cut lunch. If the penalties were just as harsh as in thailand then maybe some may reconsider.

So as a former drug squad officer, you should be easily able to point us to where ANY importer of 3kg of heroin has received community service, or even 1 year in prison for that matter.

Or were you busting the guys with 2 mull plants in the backyard?

[dingdongrb]

Should throw the full brunt of thai law at him. If he did it in Australia he would probably just get 40 hours community work or at the most 1 yr in prison in a luxury cell with swimmings pools, cable T.V internet and get paid for being in there. Hang him I say

Why don't you try it then - a quick mule run to Oz

Surely the rewards far outweigh the risk, as you have so knowledgeably outlined above

wouldn't even consider it. Yes I have some knowledge of this having been a drug squad police officer arresting and charging these oxygen thieves only to see australian courts let them off with a slap on the wrist and a cut lunch. If the penalties were just as harsh as in thailand then maybe some may reconsider.

So as a former drug squad officer, you should be easily able to point us to where ANY importer of 3kg of heroin has received community service, or even 1 year in prison for that matter.

Or were you busting the guys with 2 mull plants in the backyard?

So are you saying just to legalize crystal meth and that way all the toxic meth labs will be eliminated as they would be run by the government?

[jackspratt]

Should throw the full brunt of thai law at him. If he did it in Australia he would probably just get 40 hours community work or at the most 1 yr in prison in a luxury cell with swimmings pools, cable T.V internet and get paid for being in there. Hang him I say

Why don't you try it then - a quick mule run to Oz

Surely the rewards far outweigh the risk, as you have so knowledgeably outlined above

wouldn't even consider it. Yes I have some knowledge of this having been a drug squad police officer arresting and charging these oxygen thieves only to see australian courts let them off with a slap on the wrist and a cut lunch. If the penalties were just as harsh as in thailand then maybe some may reconsider.

So as a former drug squad officer, you should be easily able to point us to where ANY importer of 3kg (ie a commercial quantity) of heroin has received community service, or even 1 year in prison for that matter.

Or were you busting the guys with 2 mull plants in the backyard?

[marsteele]

Should throw the full brunt of thai law at him. If he did it in Australia he would probably just get 40 hours community work or at the most 1 yr in prison in a luxury cell with swimmings pools, cable T.V internet and get paid for being in there. Hang him I say

Why don't you try it then - a quick mule run to Oz

Surely the rewards far outweigh the risk, as you have so knowledgeably outlined above

wouldn't even consider it. Yes I have some knowledge of this having been a drug squad police officer arresting and charging these oxygen thieves only to see australian courts let them off with a slap on the wrist and a cut lunch. If the penalties were just as harsh as in thailand then maybe some may reconsider.

So as a former drug squad officer, you should be easily able to point us to where ANY importer of 3kg (ie a commercial quantity) of heroin has received community service, or even 1 year in prison for that matter.

Or were you busting the guys with 2 mull plants in the backyard?

It is simply a metaphor when I refer to community service to point out vast differences in penalties handed out in countries such as Australia to the approriate penalties given in thailand and other asian countries such as death which is fitting for such a crime. Around 180 people die each year from heroin in Melbourne alone. 30 drug overdoses only last saturday. How many people and families would this man have destroyed with his one single act.

And yes I am well aware of offenders receiving 1 yr or less for trafficking commercial quantities of a drug of dependence. Some actually get suspended sentences because they are 1st time offenders (1st time caught) and promise not to re offend.

As for the 2 mull plants in a back yard I wouldn't waste my time they don't even get community service but issued with a caution if they say sorry and promise not to do it again.

It is my personal feeling is that any person using or dealing in any form of ilegal drug should be severly punished.

[neverdie]

Naturally there are grubs amoungst the greater population marsteele that think specialist units like the drug squad or perhaps major crime squads actually get off on busting goofballs with two 'mull' plants in their backyard. They somehow see themselves as victims because they only had a small quantity of illicit substance.....I guess they probably view this in the same way a would-be serial killer would if he got caught after only murdering one poor soul. The most amusing thing about the poor idiot that gets caught with the two plants in his back yard, is that the Police normally stumble upon this after attending the goofballs home for a completely unrelated matter, ie: he wont turn his music down or he just gave his misses another toweling.

There are probably also other people within the community that are going to lecture to you about how the law works within Australia, just because of what they have heard OR think they know. Naturally somebody that is actually in the system, couldnt possibly know what they were on about, could they?

The basic fact about law and criminal courts in Australia is that victims rights are constantly trashed, while crim's seem to get break after break, lieniency after lieniency & when a final sentance is handed down it comes in the form of that of being community service, suspended sentance, periodic detention then finally after about a dozen runs to court....a real jail sentence with the exception that most the correctional facilities in Australia are a bad joke. The court system in Australia is an absolute joke, I wouldnt feed half the beaks there, not even when the crops are in surplus.

At least when grubs actaully get caught in parts of Asia and the middle east with drugs they normally go straight to jail, a real jail at that and normally remain there for extended periods. What a great system Thailand has for dealing with these fools. Its the same as in parts of the middle east, get caught with drugs in Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Saudi and the like & your going to jail, its not real pleasant in their either & I for one couldnt think of a better place for you to go!

Years ago there use to be a sign as you arrived into the 'arrivals hall' of the Don Muang Airport, I cant remember its exact layout but it was something like "Drug Smuggling = Death". Perhaps someone might recall the sign better than I can, however I remember thinking the first time I walked past that sign, 'who would be stupid enuf to carry drugs past that sign' and of course there was absolutly no shortage of takers....Bangkwang jail has dozens of them

[jackspratt]

I give marsteele credit. Even though his initial post on this subject was full of hyperbole (or metaphor to use his words), at least he has come back with some intelligent and accurate comment.

Unfortunately, one cannot say the same for you, neverdie.

And for your edification (not that you are worthy of it), I was in the "system". I chose to get out.

Edited December 24, 2008 by jackspratt

[dingdongrb]

I give marsteele credit. Even though his initial post on this subject was full of hyperbole (or metaphor to use his words), at least he has come back with some intelligent and accurate comment.

Unfortunately, one cannot say the same for you, neverdie.

And for your edification (not that you are worthy of it), I was in the "system". I chose to get out.

My vote would be for the 'system' to keep you.....

[grantbkk]

To the ill informed liberals who want to legalize heroin or methamphetamine try to think about your teenage son or daughter not coming down for breakfast one morning so you trudge off to their room again to get them off to work or school. You open the door and find you child with a needle stuck in an arm, foam coming out of the mouth and dead from a drug overdose. Do you say bad luck? Do you get a little upset at yourself for your stance on drugs? Do you get just a little angry at the drug lords, traffickers and pushers? All rhetorical questions. This is real life so we are going to have to deal with it.

I will educate my kids not to escape into drugs. What is your excuse?

Since the above scenario is already happening we can safely assume that prohibition isn't working. What is your solution? Harder penalties? Yeah, that'll make it better for those down on their luck.

Good on you TAWP! If everyone was as responsible as you obviously are, there would not be a problem here.

What do I need an excuse for?

Brighter people than us have determined that a combination of treatment and enforcement is a practical way to go. Drug trafficking promotes a non-tax illegal business that generates billions of Dollars while promoting murder and violence. The money from the operations is used to fund other illegal operations including international terrorism. Just read about nine heads being found on southern Mexico, recent victims of drug cartel violence.

Bleeding hearts are sometimes just that. Hearts that are bleeding. Tragic.

You are saying that brighter people than us have decided it. The decisions was a product of their time. Much as the nuclear research prohibition in my home country today doesn't make any sense and the planned shutdown of all reactors seems to be over-turned and very much delayed.

The problem in Mexico is the result of drug wars, which is exactly what happens if you have a very successful product that you exclude from the common market place. You force the control into the hands of people without scruples, lose any form of oversight and - of course - lose the ability to tax it. But you cannot eradicate it. So you end up with all the downsides and none of the upsides.

But I can respect those that want all drugs, including alcohol and tobacco, to be banned. They are at least consistent. It's the 'everything is good as it is now'-crowd I don't get.

Whitney Houston said it best. "Crack is whack!" In your idyllic world I suppose having generations of drug addicts on the streets, drooling and begging in your town is something you can accept. The younger ones, still with their teeth, can make some extra cash prostituting themselves, while they wait for their next government sponsored hit of their durg of choice. The TWAP police can just remove the dead bodies and clean up the secretions from your protected group. Sounds like a great place to live. perhaps you can use the dead as fuel to power the lights in your home country.

Could you please stop being a melodramatic drama queen with silly straw man attacks?

What you are describing is what is happening TODAY. What generation was last free of drugs?

Your post must have been written in jest as surely no-one sane can read out that [aimed] future from my posts above.

Again, by excluding the trade from the legal market and by threatening users with jail-times (instead of focusing on helping them) we are making the problem worse. You are creating a separate layer of society where police and social services cannot reach those in need. Instead, if the trade was taxed, regulated and handled like a common commodity (with proper, clear, information about risks and downsides, not hyperbole), we won't only not end up hurting those we should be helping but also get something back from the trade. And we can make sure the drug barons (and the terrorist groups that you want to link to the trade) won't be getting rich from other peoples misfortune anymore. Any drug baron today want it to remain illegal. The prices are high, the profit high and the power ride they are on is a high in itself (barons are rarely users).

This is realpolitik in the face of 80 years of failure in the War of Drugs.

And as a note: The gentleman above have to do his time. He knew what he was doing and took a chance, now deal with it.

Hey TWERP there is no drama queen here. What is a drug baron? Does he live on a ranch somewhere? The drug business is huge, with many levels and in some cases are family run for obvious reasons. You think in a Utopian society where drugs are legal and people are free to party, everything will somehow be better. Criminal penalties sometimes do act as a deterrent and do prevent drug addiction in some cases.

Now taxing drugs like alcohol and cigarettes, sin tax, is the way to go in your drug fueled society. Just where are the users going to get the money to party 24 hours a day? Will their quest for money mirror the crime we see on non-taxed illicit drugs? Will the TAWP police ignore these crimes, violent or not because these people now have the right to party and the tax from drugs now pays their salaries? You are saying the price of drugs is lower, except for the tax, so we can party all night on say 20 Quid for heroin and cocaine? On about the fifth day can the TWAP police give me a ride to the treatment center so I can get some drugs to counter the drugs in my body and get something to eat? Big match on in the evening so can you give me 20 for my legal drugs so I can party all night with my friends again? What will you do about the law abiding non-drug user people who will be a minority group a few years down the road? Maybe the sin tax could be used to fortify the homes and protect the property of the good honest people stuck in TWAP City.

Freedom of speech is a great thing. Even people with crazy ideas can be heard anywhere with this internet media.

Party on dude!

[jackspratt]

I give marsteele credit. Even though his initial post on this subject was full of hyperbole (or metaphor to use his words), at least he has come back with some intelligent and accurate comment.

Unfortunately, one cannot say the same for you, neverdie.

And for your edification (not that you are worthy of it), I was in the "system". I chose to get out.

My vote would be for the 'system' to keep you.....

In your case, I can see some merit in the PAD proposal on voting ie the uneducated, unintelligent and boorish don't get a vote.

[neverdie]

I give marsteele credit. Even though his initial post on this subject was full of hyperbole (or metaphor to use his words), at least he has come back with some intelligent and accurate comment.

Unfortunately, one cannot say the same for you, neverdie.

And for your edification (not that you are worthy of it), I was in the "system". I chose to get out.

My vote would be for the 'system' to keep you.....

Thanks for that admission jacky, I always knew you were in the 'system'. So in chosing to get out, you obviously finally came clean & started to see the error in your criminal ways OR you escaped from Jail . Unless of course you are referring to 'the couple of years you were a police officer or some other 'system rubber neck' who never really understood what was going on & you were highly disliked by your peers and collegues, so you chose to 'get out' of it. Anyway, we are happy for you now that you have found your calling, packing the shelves in Woolworths Supermarket & going on various blogs in you're spare time & judging those YOU think are intelligent or not.

I think dingdongrb has you picked, but he has failed to recognise the fact that the 'system' doesnt even want you & god knows its got enough d#ckheads in it already. Remember now jacky....no prizes second best

[jackspratt]

Hey TWERP there is no drama queen here. What is a drug baron? Does he live on a ranch somewhere? The drug business is huge, with many levels and in some cases are family run for obvious reasons. You think in a Utopian society where drugs are legal and people are free to party, everything will somehow be better. Criminal penalties sometimes do act as a deterrent and do prevent drug addiction in some cases.

Now taxing drugs like alcohol and cigarettes, sin tax, is the way to go in your drug fueled society. Just where are the users going to get the money to party 24 hours a day? Will their quest for money mirror the crime we see on non-taxed illicit drugs? Will the TAWP police ignore these crimes, violent or not because these people now have the right to party and the tax from drugs now pays their salaries? You are saying the price of drugs is lower, except for the tax, so we can party all night on say 20 Quid for heroin and cocaine? On about the fifth day can the TWAP police give me a ride to the treatment center so I can get some drugs to counter the drugs in my body and get something to eat? Big match on in the evening so can you give me 20 for my legal drugs so I can party all night with my friends again? What will you do about the law abiding non-drug user people who will be a minority group a few years down the road? Maybe the sin tax could be used to fortify the homes and protect the property of the good honest people stuck in TWAP City.

Freedom of speech is a great thing. Even people with crazy ideas can be heard anywhere with this internet media.

..........

In your case, an entirely self evident statement.

[somluck]

Draconian Henry, but with a workable logic. Still...

But unless you are Singapore or some such environment

it's political suicide to implement it.

I subscribe to the welded shut box just a LITTLE too small for the person.

You will never stand or lie straight again.

15 years in there; lights 24/7 and no company no conversations,

Maybe a really bad repeating soundtrack you learn to LOATH.

I don't want these people dead for selling poison,

I want then to suffer a long stretch as punishment on the cheap.

Only let them have company every 2 years to record a warning to others

and then weld them back in. No human contact, just food through the slot.

Dracoinian too, but would be as effective.

I think Thaksin's 'war against drugs' did work to some extend too