Sleepless Nights Ahead For Bohpud & Gecko Fire & Threads

[NALAK]

i am amazed that the thread threating everybody has been left on, if there was ever a case of a post being deleted for going over the top this is it. if you cannot stand for it have seat and chill out. as a matter of interest who do these people think they are some kind of mafia, its laughable yet sad. by the way i am in my own country now so not exactly shaking in my boots. been trying to find my ip address do me a favour and send it to me. maybe we can share a beer in m and m bar in bangrak again. if you need a hand in the rebuilding will be back after christmas

[1927]

Soon as Rooo see's those posts they are good as gone .... and for once think i would be glad .... no need for this nonsense lads ...

In defence of nod if he is a local who has been complaining then he would have every right to want to know the cause of the fire as if arson then yeah he may have a knock on the door of the police for a little chat .... they wouldnt be doing thier job if they didnt ...

secondly this is a forum where people discuss local issues ... and this is one of them ...

and the initial indications are that Gary is not taking this lying down and will be back ......

someone poined out on facebook that when th tsunami happened Gary was at the forefront raising money on Samui .... people tend to forget these things ....

once again .... get well soon Gary

Edited October 11, 2009 by 1927

[NALAK]

Soon as Rooo see's those posts they are good as gone .... and for once think i would be glad .... no need for this nonsense lads ...

In defence of nod if he is a local who has been complaining then he would have every right to want to know the cause of the fire as if arson then yeah he may have a knock on the door of the police for a little chat .... they wouldnt be doing thier job if they didnt ...

secondly this is a forum where people discuss local issues ... and this is one of them ...

and the initial indications are that Gary is not taking this lying down and will be back ......

someone poined out on facebook that when th tsunami happened Gary was at the forefront raising money on Samui .... people tend to forget these things ....

once again .... get well soon Gary

that still does not make it right to keep people awake all night, children, thai workers and locals all being kept awake before school, work etc. many people raised money for the Tsunami without troubling so many people.

[concerned]

Soon as Rooo see's those posts they are good as gone .... and for once think i would be glad .... no need for this nonsense lads ...

In defence of nod if he is a local who has been complaining then he would have every right to want to know the cause of the fire as if arson then yeah he may have a knock on the door of the police for a little chat .... they wouldnt be doing thier job if they didnt ...

secondly this is a forum where people discuss local issues ... and this is one of them ...

and the initial indications are that Gary is not taking this lying down and will be back ......

someone poined out on facebook that when th tsunami happened Gary was at the forefront raising money on Samui .... people tend to forget these things ....

once again .... get well soon Gary

that still does not make it right to keep people awake all night, children, thai workers and locals all being kept awake before school, work etc. many people raised money for the Tsunami without troubling so many people.

Apparently Peter Sutcliffe the "Yorkshire Ripper" used to give a lot of money to charity!

[Rooo]

I am being very patient here,please let's get back on track.

[Rooo]

I have re-posted 99% of deleted posts.You now have a non sanitized , unedited topic.

[concerned]

CAN'T WAIT TIL HE COMES HOME! and don't delete my flame!

[/quo

"Expect a visit by the police!"

Re. above quote from Eli27.

Oh Good! When the police go round he can ask them why they let the club operate in the wrong zone and out of legal hours.

Oh yes! And have you had your visit from the police about your libelous statement yet?

Oh by the way! When the police have finished at Samui Jens could you send them round to me because I'd LOVE to have a chat with them about your threatening post!

Have a nice day!

Edited October 12, 2009 by concerned

[1927]

Soon as Rooo see's those posts they are good as gone .... and for once think i would be glad .... no need for this nonsense lads ...

In defence of nod if he is a local who has been complaining then he would have every right to want to know the cause of the fire as if arson then yeah he may have a knock on the door of the police for a little chat .... they wouldnt be doing thier job if they didnt ...

secondly this is a forum where people discuss local issues ... and this is one of them ...

and the initial indications are that Gary is not taking this lying down and will be back ......

someone poined out on facebook that when th tsunami happened Gary was at the forefront raising money on Samui .... people tend to forget these things ....

once again .... get well soon Gary

that still does not make it right to keep people awake all night, children, thai workers and locals all being kept awake before school, work etc. many people raised money for the Tsunami without troubling so many people.

Apparently Peter Sutcliffe the "Yorkshire Ripper" used to give a lot of money to charity!

Gary Geckho = Yorkshire Ripper  ?????????

so easy to let yourself slip and start giving a load of abuse to people for being such a muppet

thats enough of my time spent on this topic (until we find out the cause of course ) just wanted to give bit of support to Gary and wish him a speedy recovery, didnt mean to start Yorkshire Ripper comparisons ....

Peace out !

[concerned]

Soon as Rooo see's those posts they are good as gone .... and for once think i would be glad .... no need for this nonsense lads ...

In defence of nod if he is a local who has been complaining then he would have every right to want to know the cause of the fire as if arson then yeah he may have a knock on the door of the police for a little chat .... they wouldnt be doing thier job if they didnt ...

secondly this is a forum where people discuss local issues ... and this is one of them ...

and the initial indications are that Gary is not taking this lying down and will be back ......

someone poined out on facebook that when th tsunami happened Gary was at the forefront raising money on Samui .... people tend to forget these things ....

once again .... get well soon Gary

that still does not make it right to keep people awake all night, children, thai workers and locals all being kept awake before school, work etc. many people raised money for the Tsunami without troubling so many people.

Apparently Peter Sutcliffe the "Yorkshire Ripper" used to give a lot of money to charity!

Gary Geckho = Yorkshire Ripper ?????????

so easy to let yourself slip and start giving a load of abuse to people for being such a muppet

thats enough of my time spent on this topic (until we find out the cause of course ) just wanted to give bit of support to Gary and wish him a speedy recovery, didnt mean to start Yorkshire Ripper comparisons ....

Peace out !

So sorry that you CHOSE not to understand that I was not comparing Gary to the Yorkshire Ripper. I know you're actually a lot smarter than that!

As you say Peace. I have no personal beef with you. Hope all is well with you in lovely Glamorgan!

Edited October 12, 2009 by concerned

[SamuiJens]

I have re-posted 99% of deleted posts.You now have a non sanitized , unedited topic.

Wondering why, Rooo? Is threatening ppl now ok to do??? I know your job is hard enough, but as u say, it is against forum rules.

[Stussy55]

I AM a good friend of Gary and his family, and DON'T live on the Island (although I do have many close friends who do and I visit regularly) and I can't understand why how this thread has turned into such an absurd charade.

Has everyone lost sight of the fact that a decent, hard working man and his family have lost all their wordly possesions coupled with their dreams and aspirations and could well have lost their lives to boot! I suspect this thread would have tacked a very different course had there been fatalities?! Gary and his family may live their lives very differently to how some of you live yours, but so what, we are by definition, sentient beings who are all intrinsically different.

I can understand that noise may have been (and I use the past tense here, as it would appear that this is no longer a cause for concern) a problem for some of you, but I think I am right in saying that there have only been a handful of events since the beginning of the year? Was it really that bad, and if it was, how come, when reading through all the threads on the forum that deal with this subject, I don't find mention of many of you actually going up to Gecko and speaking to Gary about the problem. I know he's a friend of mine, and as such I'm sure I will be seen as being a little biased, but he really is an extremely affable guy who, I have no doubt in my mind, would have taken your comments on board and done something about them. How many of you have actually ever met Gary and his family? And indeed, how many of you are basing your posts on hard facts and not on heresay, particulatrly with reference to Geckos last 10 years at a completely different venue?

Last time I was on Samui, I spent a great deal of time with Gary and we talked at great length about his plans and dreams of creating something quite special on the side of a mountain on an Island paradise. Not the druggy rave venue that seems to have been perceived by most of you, but somewhere that liked minded people could live peacefully amongst friends, raise their families and enjoy their lives. I've seen the plans, and personally know two of the investors who were/are planning to build homes there(one of whom has a young family) and they are decent people, just like I'm sure you would have yourselves be. I know that the project has cost Gary and his family dearly, financially speaking, and in the meantime was it so wrong of them to try to recoup some of their capital by throwing parties once in a while? And as I asked earlier in this post, why didn't you go up there and speak to them if it was SUCH an issue....what did you think would happen for Gods sake? If you don't ask, you don't get, in this world, and how are people supposed to know there is a problem if you don't say anything to them. It seems that what happens is that you all end up bickering on this forum and in turn create monsters for yourselves and others. There is no real alternative to face to face communication...nothing else really works. A forum, surely, is supposed to be a launch platform for action....I just hope this one hasn't been just that, only in a truly horrific and tragic fashion!

Now, those of you who had issues with the NOISE no longer do but what you do have still, however, are, a HOME, POSSESIONS and your DREAMS.....unfortunately (and tragically) the same cannot be said for your neighbours. I can't help reading between the lines of the posts I have read, and I wonder how many of you smiled, even laughed, at the recent turn of events? I sincerely hope I am wrong to even imagine such things.....And, can what has happened be attributed to KARMA.....I hope not, because it does not seem as if the acts which I have read about could actually be classed as BAD in the true sense of the word, and certainly not deserving of this devestation and destruction.

And finally, I keep seeing peoples posts mentioning that Gary et al are angry and will not take this lying down. Well I would vouch that every last one of you would be feeling exactly the same, right about now. What would you suggest Garys best course of action to be given his circumstances? Can't answer that, I'll bet....WHO COULD????

Edited October 12, 2009 by Stussy55

[koheesti]

So Gary and his family live in the club itself? How did his own kids ever get to sleep?

[koheesti]

It's not even that loud, was up there the other night, and the system is small considering what it could be. I'm sure they are aware they have neighbours which is why they havn't bought a large system. So when people such as concerned say they don't care about anyone around them, I think that it very wrong, if they wanted too they could have a much louder system, but for some reason choose not to.

I can think of no other reason other than they don't want to piss off those that are in close proximity to them.

If the below Facebook status is accurate, then it's safe to say that you are mistaken about Gecko's concern for their neighbors...

Glad to hear Gary is ok ... gutted i never got to sample the new gecko club

but dont think it will put him off ..... check out his status on facebook

Gary G Ecko - HAPPY TO BE ALIVE!!!! WE'LL BE BACK, WE PROMISE YOU.. BIGGER, BETTER AND 10 TIMES fuc_kING LOUDER!!!!!!!!on Friday

[carmine]

I AM a good friend of Gary and his family, and DON'T live on the Island (although I do have many close friends who do and I visit regularly) and I can't understand why how this thread has turned into such an absurd charade.

Has everyone lost sight of the fact that a decent, hard working man and his family have lost all their wordly possesions coupled with their dreams and aspirations and could well have lost their lives to boot! I suspect this thread would have tacked a very different course had there been fatalities?! Gary and his family may live their lives very differently to how some of you live yours, but so what, we are by definition, sentient beings who are all intrinsically different.

I can understand that noise may have been (and I use the past tense here, as it would appear that this is no longer a cause for concern) a problem for some of you, but I think I am right in saying that there have only been a handful of events since the beginning of the year? Was it really that bad, and if it was, how come, when reading through all the threads on the forum that deal with this subject, I don't find mention of many of you actually going up to Gecko and speaking to Gary about the problem. I know he's a friend of mine, and as such I'm sure I will be seen as being a little biased, but he really is an extremely affable guy who, I have no doubt in my mind, would have taken your comments on board and done something about them. How many of you have actually ever met Gary and his family? And indeed, how many of you are basing your posts on hard facts and not on heresay, particulatrly with reference to Geckos last 10 years at a completely different venue?

Last time I was on Samui, I spent a great deal of time with Gary and we talked at great length about his plans and dreams of creating something quite special on the side of a mountain on an Island paradise. Not the druggy rave venue that seems to have been perceived by most of you, but somewhere that liked minded people could live peacefully amongst friends, raise their families and enjoy their lives. I've seen the plans, and personally know two of the investors who were/are planning to build homes there(one of whom has a young family) and they are decent people, just like I'm sure you would have yourselves be. I know that the project has cost Gary and his family dearly, financially speaking, and in the meantime was it so wrong of them to try to recoup some of their capital by throwing parties once in a while? And as I asked earlier in this post, why didn't you go up there and speak to them if it was SUCH an issue....what did you think would happen for Gods sake? If you don't ask, you don't get, in this world, and how are people supposed to know there is a problem if you don't say anything to them. It seems that what happens is that you all end up bickering on this forum and in turn create monsters for yourselves and others. There is no real alternative to face to face communication...nothing else really works. A forum, surely, is supposed to be a launch platform for action....I just hope this one hasn't been just that, only in a truly horrific and tragic fashion!

Now, those of you who had issues with the NOISE no longer do but what you do have still, however, are, a HOME, POSSESIONS and your DREAMS.....unfortunately (and tragically) the same cannot be said for your neighbours. I can't help reading between the lines of the posts I have read, and I wonder how many of you smiled, even laughed, at the recent turn of events? I sincerely hope I am wrong to even imagine such things.....And, can what has happened be attributed to KARMA.....I hope not, because it does not seem as if the acts which I have read about could actually be classed as BAD in the true sense of the word, and certainly not deserving of this devestation and destruction.

And finally, I keep seeing peoples posts mentioning that Gary et al are angry and will not take this lying down. Well I would vouch that every last one of you would be feeling exactly the same, right about now. What would you suggest Garys best course of action to be given his circumstances? Can't answer that, I'll bet....WHO COULD????

Very well put. I have no axe to grind with anyone, neither do i actually know Gary. But have some of you forgotten that people are in hospital, having lost their home and possessions? Where's the compassion?

Ofcourse i have sympathy for residents having their sleep interrupted. But did anyone actually arrange to meet Gary and have a civilised conversation with him to improve the alround situation. My experience, though perhaps not great, tells me that dialogue often helps.

[sbk]

I have re-posted 99% of deleted posts.You now have a non sanitized , unedited topic.

Wondering why, Rooo? Is threatening ppl now ok to do??? I know your job is hard enough, but as u say, it is against forum rules.

I think it had more to do with letting people see what was really going on, warts and all. You can't make everyone happy all the time, can you? Some complain because their posts were deleted and others complain because the true ugliness of some posts comes out.

[SamuiJens]

I have re-posted 99% of deleted posts.You now have a non sanitized , unedited topic.

Wondering why, Rooo? Is threatening ppl now ok to do??? I know your job is hard enough, but as u say, it is against forum rules.

I think it had more to do with letting people see what was really going on, warts and all. You can't make everyone happy all the time, can you? Some complain because their posts were deleted and others complain because the true ugliness of some posts comes out.

Interesting..... very interesting

[sbk]

If I recall correctly you were one of those asking not to have a post deleted......

[Stussy55]

Dialogue ALWAYS helps. It's the ONLY way to work out problems between groups of people; THE ONLY WAY!

If people don't communicate face to face, talk behind each others backs, and only amongst people who feel the same way they do, then things will invariably get worse. The people who feel aggrieved end up creating demons out of the ones who they feel are wronging them, and they in turn begin to resent in return; it's how WARS start!!! The two groups of people may of course both be completely reasonable sets of human beings, but with zero communication, neither side will be able to know that.

The trouble with online forums as oppose to actual forums where people have to be there in person to voice their opinions is that they are utterly faceless, which can only serve to exacerbate an already (obviously) tense situation; nobody knows who their detractors actually are.

This whole sorry affair is so tragic, for so many reasons, not least because nobody concerned (or very few of them) actually knows the other parties.

I for one hope that Gary and his family bounce back from this, and knowing them as I do, I'm sure they will; and when they do, assuming they return to the hills, why don't those of you who have been so vocal in your typing (and sniping) go up there, have a drink with, and TALK to them, face to face and realise that they are PEOPLE, just like you and me.

[SamuiJens]

If I recall correctly you were one of those asking not to have a post deleted......

Maybe, but I'm NOT asking for anything 2 b deleted, just wondering why the change of heart, and now I know, thx SBK!

Edited October 12, 2009 by SamuiJens

[Eclipse]

go up there, have a drink with, and TALK to them, face to face

That sounds all very good in theory, but if you have been following the original topic since day one you would have seen some of the violent threats made towards members on here.

I cannot see anyone too keen to go up and have a cosy chat.

I do hope everyone involved make a full and quick discovery, but let's hope his next venture does not involve wrecking peoples lives in the quest for a quick buck.

[Rooo]

Dialogue ALWAYS helps. It's the ONLY way to work out problems between groups of people; THE ONLY WAY!

have a drink with, and TALK to them, face to face and realise that they are PEOPLE, just like you and me.

Stussy,

Under normal circumstances,you have a valid point. But let me tell you, that most of what you are talking about, as per having a dialog, was very quickly put to rest after several posts (deleted now) from, so called partners & a particularly nasty threatening PM to one of the members. So if members or neighbors show reluctance in approaching them, it is for a very good reason. If you wish to read the sleepless in Bophut thread in it's entirety, it might shed some light on the sequence of events.

Most members have voiced their concern & wished Gary a speedy recovery, no one wants to see people in this position.

The reason this thread is getting to where it is, again from threats by someone who claims he is a close associate , or people wanting to stir the pot , both sides I admit.

So until further details as per the cause of the fire come to light, thread closed.

[Rooo]

Since the discussion in the other thread is getting way off topic, if you wish, you can carry on debating here.

[Rooo]

Merged with sleepless thread.

[concerned]

I AM a good friend of Gary and his family, and DON'T live on the Island (although I do have many close friends who do and I visit regularly) and I can't understand why how this thread has turned into such an absurd charade.

Has everyone lost sight of the fact that a decent, hard working man and his family have lost all their wordly possesions coupled with their dreams and aspirations and could well have lost their lives to boot! I suspect this thread would have tacked a very different course had there been fatalities?! Gary and his family may live their lives very differently to how some of you live yours, but so what, we are by definition, sentient beings who are all intrinsically different.

I can understand that noise may have been (and I use the past tense here, as it would appear that this is no longer a cause for concern) a problem for some of you, but I think I am right in saying that there have only been a handful of events since the beginning of the year? Was it really that bad, and if it was, how come, when reading through all the threads on the forum that deal with this subject, I don't find mention of many of you actually going up to Gecko and speaking to Gary about the problem. I know he's a friend of mine, and as such I'm sure I will be seen as being a little biased, but he really is an extremely affable guy who, I have no doubt in my mind, would have taken your comments on board and done something about them. How many of you have actually ever met Gary and his family? And indeed, how many of you are basing your posts on hard facts and not on heresay, particulatrly with reference to Geckos last 10 years at a completely different venue?

Last time I was on Samui, I spent a great deal of time with Gary and we talked at great length about his plans and dreams of creating something quite special on the side of a mountain on an Island paradise. Not the druggy rave venue that seems to have been perceived by most of you, but somewhere that liked minded people could live peacefully amongst friends, raise their families and enjoy their lives. I've seen the plans, and personally know two of the investors who were/are planning to build homes there(one of whom has a young family) and they are decent people, just like I'm sure you would have yourselves be. I know that the project has cost Gary and his family dearly, financially speaking, and in the meantime was it so wrong of them to try to recoup some of their capital by throwing parties once in a while? And as I asked earlier in this post, why didn't you go up there and speak to them if it was SUCH an issue....what did you think would happen for Gods sake? If you don't ask, you don't get, in this world, and how are people supposed to know there is a problem if you don't say anything to them. It seems that what happens is that you all end up bickering on this forum and in turn create monsters for yourselves and others. There is no real alternative to face to face communication...nothing else really works. A forum, surely, is supposed to be a launch platform for action....I just hope this one hasn't been just that, only in a truly horrific and tragic fashion!

Now, those of you who had issues with the NOISE no longer do but what you do have still, however, are, a HOME, POSSESIONS and your DREAMS.....unfortunately (and tragically) the same cannot be said for your neighbours. I can't help reading between the lines of the posts I have read, and I wonder how many of you smiled, even laughed, at the recent turn of events? I sincerely hope I am wrong to even imagine such things.....And, can what has happened be attributed to KARMA.....I hope not, because it does not seem as if the acts which I have read about could actually be classed as BAD in the true sense of the word, and certainly not deserving of this devestation and destruction.

And finally, I keep seeing peoples posts mentioning that Gary et al are angry and will not take this lying down. Well I would vouch that every last one of you would be feeling exactly the same, right about now. What would you suggest Garys best course of action to be given his circumstances? Can't answer that, I'll bet....WHO COULD????

You as you say, are a good friend of Gary's and you comments as a friend, do you credit. Nobody could wish for a nicer post from a friend than yours.

We I suspect, from all the nice things you say about him, could well have been friends with him under other circumstances, as I have said before.

However due to circumstances as they were, we were hardly likely to feel like being his friend were we? We have a living to make too and the welfare and well being of our children and families to consider as well. Most of the points you mention apply to us as well you know, including massive and sometimes crippling financial investment.

I have personally stated that there is little honour in kicking anyone when they are down or joy in watching someone's dreams go up in smoke. You on the other hand have to appreciate from a distance that's it is not for you to decide what we should or should not find acceptable, just as we will not presume to suggest what you should find acceptable in your life.

If you knew me, you would know that if that club was anything other than a place that has been annoying the hel_l out of us for God knows how long, I would be there helping to re build it right now, as I'm sure would many others. However it was'nt and early on we were treated to a pack of lies about it by ill informed partners and a few of us received threats in private messages which eventually led to very nasty comments from both sides in which I claim no innocence.

However as far as I can tell none of Gary's neighbours is in any way responsible for this fire, and if newspaper reports are to be believed it was started by an electrical fire in their kitchen. ( Probably wired by his builder friend Adam who has "built so many houses" on Samui and "has so many friends!" )

If this is not the case, then all should be done to bring the perpetrators to justice.

As you are a friend of Garys and as you did ask, then if he feels he might enjoy living in peaceful harmony with those around him, then as a friend, I would suggest to him that if he has the resources, he uses the place to open a really cool panoramic restaurant with a quality chef, nightly barbecue and soft chilled out music for diners, charge a fortune like the Cliff ( or slightly less! )and build up a business which be there ready for his Villa customers when they are eventually built. I for one would be up there on a regular basis as would many I know. In the meantime, because nobody's going to make a fortune at anything at the moment I would have my fun, make my noise and hopefully a few quid in places that can still be filled. Because lets face it, I don't think the venue was making much money entertaining the few people it was, when it was going. In the meantime it was entertaining very few and annoying hundreds, if not thousands. Unlike Glastonbury which entertains thousands and just annoys a few.

I'm sure this wont happen but you did ask. Anyway what the <deleted>> do I know, I'm only a marketing man. The only problem at the moment though is filling anything to a financially viable level. But as I said you did ask, and that’s how I would have started out in the first place.

Once again I say that I wish Gary a full recovery and success in any new venture he undertakes but I just hope it does'nt involve blasting us out again, though I have little doubt that it will!

Regards.

Edited October 12, 2009 by concerned

[concerned]

Merged with sleepless thread.

Are you going for the highest record of hits ever on one thread?

Quite high so far for such a small Island!

[1927]

Gary Geckho = Yorkshire Ripper ?????????

so easy to let yourself slip and start giving a load of abuse to people for being such a muppet

thats enough of my time spent on this topic (until we find out the cause of course ) just wanted to give bit of support to Gary and wish him a speedy recovery, didnt mean to start Yorkshire Ripper comparisons ....

Peace out !

So sorry that you CHOSE not to understand that I was not comparing Gary to the Yorkshire Ripper. I know you're actually a lot smarter than that!

As you say Peace. I have no personal beef with you. Hope all is well with you in lovely Glamorgan!

as much as i love Wales im working my socks off in order to get out to Samui for 6 months in all honestly .....

i try my best not to get in to petty arguments on these forums but sometimes you just get sucked in, its a touchy topic which in all honesty doesnt really involve me one bit.... i will be on here next week asking for advice from locals so will keep my nose out from now on .....

[samuibeachcomber]

surely the point here is,a place of entertainment was built in a residential area and allowed to operate at a time when most people would be considering getting some sleep rather than partying all night.whether the venue operates weekly fortnightly or monthly is immaterial.If the owner was that concerned about his neighbours he would n't have gone ahead with the project,that he did speaks volumnes of his concern for others.sadly for him and his family it is finished but many locals who live in the area will be very happy,they can get some sleep.hopefully lessons will be learnt.

[NALAK]

Dialogue ALWAYS helps. It's the ONLY way to work out problems between groups of people; THE ONLY WAY!

If people don't communicate face to face, talk behind each others backs, and only amongst people who feel the same way they do, then things will invariably get worse. The people who feel aggrieved end up creating demons out of the ones who they feel are wronging them, and they in turn begin to resent in return; it's how WARS start!!! The two groups of people may of course both be completely reasonable sets of human beings, but with zero communication, neither side will be able to know that.

The trouble with online forums as oppose to actual forums where people have to be there in person to voice their opinions is that they are utterly faceless, which can only serve to exacerbate an already (obviously) tense situation; nobody knows who their detractors actually are.

This whole sorry affair is so tragic, for so many reasons, not least because nobody concerned (or very few of them) actually knows the other parties.

I for one hope that Gary and his family bounce back from this, and knowing them as I do, I'm sure they will; and when they do, assuming they return to the hills, why don't those of you who have been so vocal in your typing (and sniping) go up there, have a drink with, and TALK to them, face to face and realise that they are PEOPLE, just like you and me.

how can you have dialog with people who send out threating posts like we wont stand for this you are not in your country now, dont open a can of worms or else etc etc. the club is simply in the wrong place, hundreds of people kept awake until 7-8 am. they make it clear they do not care what people think or say, if you say anything on this forum you get threats so who is going to go and try and talk to them. better as it is we know who they are and they do not have a clue who we are. as for people like you and me i would never have the could not care less about who we bother attitude, so they are not people like me for sure. i just hope if he bounces back its some where else

Edited October 13, 2009 by NALAK

[2169]

We all feel so sorry that ...[you]... have to put up with similar noise like everybody else on the island. Every few weeks we have a fair in our area, with extremely loud music until 2 AM, for ten days in a row. You should know by now that you can't buy silence on Samui.

Agreed, apart from the millionaire comment, in the last 3 months and within 100m of my residence I've had 3 late night karaoke sessions, 2 big Song Taew driver depot parties, and 2 new restaurants opening parties. Most of these have been up until 1am, a couple have gone on till 4. It's part and parcel of living here. Sorry you still feel outraged by it, but most people on the island have to deal with unwanted noise on occasion - you may have to get used to it too.

You know, if you can tolerate thumping music 12-18 + hours on occasions from an illegally built place, without having a moan good on you my friend.We are not talking small parties here, we are talking bass echoing through a valley in midst of a residential area & noise from whatever number of people they have there. Party starts at 7pm don't finish sometimes till after

8am. Sure we don't mind the temple fairs ot the markets or the occasional karaoke, but get real here, I'm sure if it was on your door step, you would be singing a different tune.

everyone makeing many comments, what about the legal way? for what do we have goverment officer, police, zoning and the law, its time for this kind of people to do there job, not only take brib and let the people in peace who what to have peace, without moving the house our room wehr thay stay, because someone things thay can do what ever thay want, gecko, lake view, solo, sound and so on........

[Stussy55]

I still can't help but wonder whether perhaps this whole argument between members of Thai Visa and the Gecko management which (and correct me if I'm wrong) started after postings on this forum, can in part be attributed to the faceless nature of the internet?

Could it have been avoided by face to face conversation as soon as a problem raised it's head?

I keep reading about written threats and have read the whole thread (minus, of course, the deleted portions) several times, and to me, it begs the question: without a perceived (and faceless) cyber confrontation being levelled, would retaliatory cyber threats have been made in return?

As I said in one of my previous postings, (and this is based on 40 years of life experience), it is very easy to write things down, much easier in fact than saying them to someones face, and also easy to maybe go too far with what you are trying to say, especially when others of the same opinion are having their say so; very quickly a situation can snowball as everyone gets egged on by the others and you end up with a virtual lynch mob.

Conversely, the other party will most likely end up feeling threatened, backed into a corner by a faceless foe and chooses to retaliate, also in writing, and ends up doing the same thing back.

I fully accept that there is a certain amount of reticence now for anyone to talk face to face, but maybe verbal communication at a much earlier juncture could have avioided this happening. Knowing the Gecko family, I do think this is a distinct possibility. However it would now be a much harder task (or never happen at all, which is a shame) as there is so much resentment built up.

Instead of driving yourselves mad, getting angry and making it worse by only discussing matters with others who feel the same way, get up (and get together- as a matter of interest, how many Samui forum members actually know each other?), confront whatever your problem is, head on and in a reasonable manner as one rational intelligent group to another and see what results you get. Try that next time you feel there is a problem (any problem, not just this specific one) and maybe you might well find you get different results.

Accepted that everyone has different opinions about right and wrong, and what is or isn't acceptable, but is a faceles, anonymous forum the best place to do anything other than launch a debate? Debate is of course the cornerstone of democracy and free speech but is a little futile if not followed up with direct action, which in this case should surely have meant going up the hill and (at least trying) to TALK instead of letting the debate grow stale and take a downwards spiral into: He said/ She said/ My Dad's bigger than your dad/ No he isn't, schoolyard bickering (albeit a more serious, real, adult version of it) in which both sides ultimately end up seeming as bad as each other, and where there can be no winner.

I'm not trying to inflame an already volatile DEBATE,rather just voicing my opinion. No I don't live on the Island, but I think the points I am trying to convey are applicable anywhere, and in any instance where people perceive a problem with their fellow man.

As it happens I am coming to Samui next week, and am very much looking forward to seeing my friends there and enjoying the Island.

See you (but won't know who you are if I do)!