Prime Minister Worries About Thailand Image

[justanothercybertosser]

It seems the rally wasnt exactly what the Thaksin side wanted or paid for. More divides in that side of things.

Key Pheu Thai members are questioning the transparency of the leaders of the Democratic Alliance against Dictatorship (DAAD), saying they failed to disperse some of the money they supposedly received from ousted prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra, a party source said yesterday.

The members and those close to the deposed premier said they were dissatisfied with the lower-than-expected turnout and that the DAAD leaders had failed to spark a wider protest.

Rset of story at: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2009/02/28...cs_30096830.php

I would take any such report with a grain of salt. May i remind about the much reported supposed split between the Udon Lovers and the main Red Shirts, where even a new alliance between the Udon Lovers and Newin was fabulated by the Nation. This obviously never happened, given that the Udon Lovers have not just taken part in the latest protest round of protests, but also were present at Red Shirt protests during the time of reporting.

Before there is not more tangible evidence i would suggest to wait and see. There are obvious vested interests that purposely spread fake news and rumors through allied medias about the Red Shirts hoping that these rumors alone might lead to such a split within their political opponents.

It is better to stay with what is proven beyond doubt, or where there is clear evidence.

[justanothercybertosser]

Historically Kunying Porntip as a sterling rep for accuracy.

They ONLY times is when she makes a pre-investigation

comment on possibilities or what she MIGHT be looking for,

and the opposition tries to run with it like was real investigated fact in a report,

which it isn't.

She gives the 'bent' types fits because she holds accuracy and truth

over national face and profiteering. So they attempt to discredit her and sow mis-information.

Hero worship is only obfuscating the issue. There are two conflicting investigation results, and that has to be investigated factually. Until that has been cleared, keeping an open mind is a better idea.

Edited February 28, 2009 by justanothercybertosser

[sriracha john]

If there's any "Hero Worship" going on, it stems from proven track records.... which are the best predictors of future results...at least until the imaginary third findings are conducted...

Edited February 28, 2009 by sriracha john

[jdinasia]

If there's any "Hero Worship" going on, it stems from proven track records.... which are the best predictors of future results...at least until the imaginary third findings are conducted...

Not to mention 'vested interests' .. the police investigating the cause of death of someone they killed to clear themselves vs. an independent medical examiner investigating and finding the police at fault.

(let's not forget the apology .....)

[Koo82]

I don't recall seeing on any tv station, that during the PAD protests, high time Aug to Dec last year, that Abhisit worried about Thailand image.

PAD was inside the Government House for more than 100 days, protested in front of Parliament House and brought in weapons, protested at Police Station, protested at airports Phuket, Hat Yai, Krabi, Don Muang and Suvarnabhumi.

I didn't see any news saying that Abhisit asked his party Sor Sor member Somkiat to stop joining PAD.

Could anyone tell me that the close of 2 airports in Bangkok was very good for Thailand image and economy and it showed that Thai police and military force were strong and could act in emergency?

[justanothercybertosser]

If there's any "Hero Worship" going on, it stems from proven track records.... which are the best predictors of future results...at least until the imaginary third findings are conducted...

Would you mind performing one more edit of this less than intelligible post, please. I really can't make out what you are trying to say with that garbled sentence.

[sriracha john]

If there's any "Hero Worship" going on, it stems from proven track records.... which are the best predictors of future results...at least until the imaginary third findings are conducted...

Would you mind performing one more edit of this less than intelligible post, please. I really can't make out what you are trying to say with that garbled sentence.

Funny others didn't seem to have any problem with it and even made intelligible replies to it, but anyway for the benefit of anyone that may struggle with English.

If people are choosing to believe Khunying's findings over the police findings, it's likely due to what these two different groups have produced in the past and their respective accuracy.

Many professional entities from a variety of fields have concluded that the best way of knowing how things will likely turn out in the futue is to look at how similar things turned out before. For example, any psychologist will tell you that the best predictor of anyone's future behavior is that individual's past history.

You've alluded that we should all wait for a re-examination of the entire proceedings which would suggest a third set of investigative findings would be necessary. In the absence of any official word of that occurring, I referred to them as "imaginary."

I hope this helps. If you require any further clarification, please don't hesitate to ask.

[justanothercybertosser]

If there's any "Hero Worship" going on, it stems from proven track records.... which are the best predictors of future results...at least until the imaginary third findings are conducted...

Would you mind performing one more edit of this less than intelligible post, please. I really can't make out what you are trying to say with that garbled sentence.

Funny others didn't seem to have any problem with it and even made intelligible replies to it, but anyway for the benefit of anyone that may struggle with English.

If people are choosing to believe Khunying's findings over the police findings, it's likely due to what these two different groups have produced in the past and their respective accuracy.

Many professional entities from a variety of fields have concluded that the best way of knowing how things will likely turn out in the futue is to look at how similar things turned out before. For example, any psychologist will tell you that the best predictor of anyone's future behavior is that individual's past history.

You've alluded that we should all wait for a re-examination of the entire proceedings which would suggest a third set of investigative findings would be necessary. In the absence of any official word of that occurring, I referred to them as "imaginary."

I hope this helps. If you require any further clarification, please don't hesitate to ask.

Psychology is not an exact science.

As i have stated already - i do hold Dr. Pornthip in high regard. Nevertheless, the Police investigation should not be rejected based on believe, as many here do. The conflicting results call for further investigations, and/or outside neutral experts assessment of the conflicting results.

As long as there is no confirmation of either result, we cannot judge either way, not being experts.

And, for you - i have NOT stated that i "believe" the police investigation results over the results of the previous investigation. I don't "believe" anything, as this case is too important to have it influenced by emotive issues along ideologies and believes, or arguments along the lines of "what the mother has to suffer...".

Edited February 28, 2009 by justanothercybertosser

[Pierrot]

If people are choosing to believe Khunying's findings over the police findings, it's likely due to what these two different groups have produced in the past and their respective accuracy.

Many professional entities from a variety of fields have concluded that the best way of knowing how things will likely turn out in the futue is to look at how similar things turned out before. For example, any psychologist will tell you that the best predictor of anyone's future behavior is that individual's past history.

I agree with you, to know someone, look at her past achievement. 2005. Tsunami. Porntip is in charge.

From international media :

A controversial doctor with a punk hairstyle who is being blamed for blunders and delays in identifying the bodies of holidaymakers killed in the tsunami that struck Thailand has apologised to waiting British families.

One Western expert said yesterday: “It is now bordering on the farcical and the bereaved must wonder how and when this is going to end.”

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/worl...ticle413365.ece

By international standards, and not only because of her hair style, Porntip Rojanasunan is a clown.

Edited February 28, 2009 by Pierrot

[jdinasia]

LOL .. no, jact just believes that the police can run tests without the equipment to do the tests!.

[sriracha john]

I'd post clippings of errors in police findings except

thaivisa couldn't handle the bandwidth...

it would run through several pages of the thread as a single post...

i'd have to replace my mouse after wearing it out...

even with each case a single click away, the project would take days

Edited February 28, 2009 by sriracha john

[Pierrot]

I'd post clippings of errors in police findings except

thaivisa couldn't handle the bandwidth...

it would run through several pages of the thread as a single post...

i'd have to replace my mouse after wearing it out...

even with each case a single click away, the project would take days

[Pierrot]

If there's any "Hero Worship" going on, it stems from proven track records.... which are the best predictors of future results...at least until the imaginary third findings are conducted...

Would you mind performing one more edit of this less than intelligible post, please. I really can't make out what you are trying to say with that garbled sentence.

Funny others didn't seem to have any problem with it and even made intelligible replies to it, but anyway for the benefit of anyone that may struggle with English.

If people are choosing to believe Khunying's findings over the police findings, it's likely due to what these two different groups have produced in the past and their respective accuracy.

Many professional entities from a variety of fields have concluded that the best way of knowing how things will likely turn out in the futue is to look at how similar things turned out before. For example, any psychologist will tell you that the best predictor of anyone's future behavior is that individual's past history.

You've alluded that we should all wait for a re-examination of the entire proceedings which would suggest a third set of investigative findings would be necessary. In the absence of any official word of that occurring, I referred to them as "imaginary."

I hope this helps. If you require any further clarification, please don't hesitate to ask.

By international standards, and not only because of her hair style, Porntip Rojanasunan is a clown

From international media :

A controversial doctor with a punk hairstyle who is being blamed for blunders and delays in identifying the bodies of holidaymakers killed in the tsunami that struck Thailand has apologised to waiting British families.

One Western expert said yesterday: “It is now bordering on the farcical and the bereaved must wonder how and when this is going to end.”

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/worl...ticle413365.ece

[justanothercybertosser]

LOL .. no, jact just believes that the police can run tests without the equipment to do the tests!.

Excuse me?!

Can you please show me evidence other than your assumptions that police has no equipment to do tests, or if that is the case, has not used the services of another lab that has such equipment.

I believe for what i get enough factual evidence. I might have missed it, but i don't remember having read anywhere that police ran tests in this case without having access to the equipment to do so.

[TAWP]

Woman Attacked by Police (with exploding tear gas) Still dead.

And according to the latest results of the police investigation it appears that C-4 traces have been found on her shirt, which means that she might have been killed by explosives she carried.

You forgot to link the papers regarding this, please do.

[justanothercybertosser]

You forgot to link the papers regarding this, please do.

here you are:

http://enews.mcot.net/view.php?id=8778&t=2

Oct 7 protest victim's clothing shows explosive chemical traces

BANGKOK, Feb 25 (TNA) - Traces of explosive chemicals were found on the clothes of a 28-year-old female protester who died in Bangkok's street clashes last October 7 when police fired teargas into the crowd of protesters demanding the then government of Somchai Wongsawat to resign, according to two senior police officers assigned to investigate the cause of her death.

The two officers -- a forensic specialist and an explosives expert -- told a press conference that expert police investigators found chemical traces of a C4 bomb on the brassiere and T-shirt worn by Angkhana Radappanyawut, and that chemical substances used for making teargas was found only on her trousers, which they said could not have led to her death.

Both Miss Angkhana and a retired police officer died on that day, when nearly 500 people were wounded after police tried to contain the protest against the previous government outside Parliament.

Stressing that forensic experts had used innovative equipment, the two police officers ruled that Miss Angkhana did not die because of the teargas fired by police personnel, but they could not identify the cause of death.

They said the other fatality was a retired police officer identified as Pol. Lt-Col. Methee Chartmontri, a staunch supporter of the protesters, who coordinated security for the PAD.

Col. Methee died while sitting in his jeep after an explosion that experts said included chemical substances used for making a teargas but not C4 components on his body. (TNA)

[animatic]

If there's any "Hero Worship" going on, it stems from proven track records.... which are the best predictors of future results...at least until the imaginary third findings are conducted...

Would you mind performing one more edit of this less than intelligible post, please. I really can't make out what you are trying to say with that garbled sentence.

Funny others didn't seem to have any problem with it and even made intelligible replies to it, but anyway for the benefit of anyone that may struggle with English.

If people are choosing to believe Khunying's findings over the police findings, it's likely due to what these two different groups have produced in the past and their respective accuracy.

Many professional entities from a variety of fields have concluded that the best way of knowing how things will likely turn out in the futue is to look at how similar things turned out before. For example, any psychologist will tell you that the best predictor of anyone's future behavior is that individual's past history.

You've alluded that we should all wait for a re-examination of the entire proceedings which would suggest a third set of investigative findings would be necessary. In the absence of any official word of that occurring, I referred to them as "imaginary."

I hope this helps. If you require any further clarification, please don't hesitate to ask.

By international standards, and not only because of her hair style, Porntip Rojanasunan is a clown

From international media :

A controversial doctor with a punk hairstyle who is being blamed for blunders and delays in identifying the bodies of holidaymakers killed in the tsunami that struck Thailand has apologised to waiting British families.

One Western expert said yesterday: “It is now bordering on the farcical and the bereaved must wonder how and when this is going to end.”

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/worl...ticle413365.ece

Of course an event of this magnitude swamped all her resources and budget,

and those writing the budgets didn't want her to gain more power,

because she was breathing down too many case implicating them or friends.

Normally with 7,000+ horendous deaths scattered over a vast area the army and a STAFF

of hundreds of coroners would be called in, why not in this case.

The bodies, by the time her team ever saw most, they were mostly remains,

and unidentifiable by normal means. After days in scorching heat, disfigured and bloated,

or weeks dessicated, damaged badly by the environment.

Add to this the shear weight of data needed to correlate one body of indeterminant origin,

or even discernable nationality, to a long list of missing with various types of DNA to test,

or teeth to compare if they remained. How many forensic dentists you think she has on staff?

And then the date of your report...

January 17, 2005 ... 7,000 plus bodies in deplorable states, less than one month.

Screaming grieving relatives and reporters with a need for newsprint of the BIG Story.

And the real story in this article is the Police attempts to discredit her for their own glory,

and to lower her a notch since she is HATED by them for disputing their calls too often to catalog.

Her opponents preferred that grieving families suffered more, to make points for themselves.

Pathetic cretins.

Total press hyperbole. A cheap shot this late in the game.

In any case she is head and shoulders over all OTHER forensics experts here.

Edited February 28, 2009 by animatic

[Koo82]

I now worry about Thailand image that Abhisit still keeps Kasit to be Foreign Minister.

When people shake hand with him, they will have the message in their head that "This man was on PAD stage for months helping to protest at airports including Suvarnabhumi and he said the protests were a lot of fun with good foods and good entertainment. 350,000 tourists could not fly out and he thinks it is fun to protest."

When Hunsen shakes hand with Abhisit, it must be the precious moment he can't forget.

[sriracha john]

whether it's 2006, 2007, 2008, or 2009... their violent ways always seems to come to the forefront...

Soldier Attacked by Red-shirts Still in Coma

Police are now seeking CCTV footage from the Bangkok Metropolitan Administration and the government in response to a report that a soldier was beaten by supporters of the red-shirt anti-government last night.

Sergeant Major Aumnuay Thongrin, of Infantry Battalion Region 11, was severely injured by 8 red-shirt protesters in front of the Region 1 Army Headquarters near the demonstration site last night.

Sergeant Major Aumnuay was sent to Phramongkutklao Hospital and is now in a coma.

This morning, Deputy Metropolitan Police Chief Police Major General Aumnuay Nhimmano visited the victim at the hospital. He said police are now asking for CCTV footage from around the crime scene in an attempt to identify the offenders.

* followed by more 2009 Red Shirt violence *

UDD supporters beat up opponent

Phitsanulok - A group of about 20 red-clad supporters of the anti-government United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD) Saturday beat up one resident of Phitsanulok who did not welcome their movement there, said police.

The victim was a man who expressed his opposition to the UDD's campaign encouraging locals to join its protest against the People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD). He yelled at 100 UDD supporters who were marching against the PAD, telling them to get out of the province.

They rounded on him. Some of his attackers hit him repeatedly with a flagpole before police standing guard nearby were able to rescue him.

Continued here:

http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingnews/13...eat-up-opponent

[animatic]

I now worry about Thailand image that Abhisit still keeps Kasit to be Foreign Minister.

When people shake hand with him, they will have the message in their head that "This man was on PAD stage for months helping to protest at airports including Suvarnabhumi and he said the protests were a lot of fun with good foods and good entertainment. 350,000 tourists could not fly out and he thinks it is fun to protest."

When Hunsen shakes hand with Abhisit, it must be the precious moment he can't forget.

Koo the ASEAN partners don't give a toss if he was on the PAD stage for a speech or not.

ONLY the red shirts care about this.That's why this issue of sorts is being ignored so totally.

When Hun Sen shakes hands with Abhisit it will Cambodia and Thailand

agreeing that Abhisit is the true leader here.

Nothing more except another opposition loss of points.

Edited March 1, 2009 by animatic

[justanothercybertosser]

UDD supporters beat up opponent

Phitsanulok - A group of about 20 red-clad supporters of the anti-government United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD) Saturday beat up one resident of Phitsanulok who did not welcome their movement there, said police.

The victim was a man who expressed his opposition to the UDD's campaign encouraging locals to join its protest against the People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD). He yelled at 100 UDD supporters who were marching against the PAD, telling them to get out of the province.

They rounded on him. Some of his attackers hit him repeatedly with a flagpole before police standing guard nearby were able to rescue him.

Continued here:

http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingnews/13...eat-up-opponent

I wonder why events where the PAD beat up Red Shirts do not make it into the news. Last week in Had Yai PAD attacked Red Shirts and hospitalized a few as well.

[hammered]

UDD supporters beat up opponent

Phitsanulok - A group of about 20 red-clad supporters of the anti-government United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD) Saturday beat up one resident of Phitsanulok who did not welcome their movement there, said police.

The victim was a man who expressed his opposition to the UDD's campaign encouraging locals to join its protest against the People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD). He yelled at 100 UDD supporters who were marching against the PAD, telling them to get out of the province.

They rounded on him. Some of his attackers hit him repeatedly with a flagpole before police standing guard nearby were able to rescue him.

Continued here:

http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingnews/13...eat-up-opponent

I wonder why events where the PAD beat up Red Shirts do not make it into the news. Last week in Had Yai PAD attacked Red Shirts and hospitalized a few as well.

The war for the media is not going well for the Thaksin/red side right now.

[jdinasia]

Hmmmm they did? or is this just more disinformation from jact?

Thai Rath is using the term "mob" to describe the reds ... but I think it has less negative connotation in Thai than in English.

[justanothercybertosser]

The war for the media is not going well for the Thaksin/red side right now.

No, it isn't, indeed.

But how successful this media war will be remains to be seen. There are nowadays far too many alternative medias here in Thailand as well, which people here access and also distribute information from.

[Koo82]

As long as Abhisit is still PM, I worry about Thailand image. The whole world knows how he came to this position.

What I worry most is when PAD slept in airports, Abhisit did not worry.

[ballpoint]

As long as Abhisit is still PM, I worry about Thailand image. The whole world knows how he came to this position.

What I worry most is when PAD slept in airports, Abhisit did not worry.

Indeed, we all do know how Abhisit got to be PM. Thaksin is a criminal. His party was found to be acting illegally. His proxy party was found to be acting illegally. As the leader of the second largest party in parliament, Abhisit was asked to form a government. If he had have been unable to, parliament would have been dissolved and new elections held. Because he was able to, that was not necessary and he is now the legally elected PM of Thailand. That's how a parliamentary democracy works.

[ballpoint]

UDD core leader Veera Musikapong announced late Thursday that the United Front ‘Red Shirts’ will intensify their protest to oust the Democrat-led government as their four-point list of demands has been ignored by the government. He said there was no point in staying put protesting in front of Government House to press for their demands.

Hmm, Veera Musikapong, Vera Lynn, some similarity, and not just in the name. "We'll protest again, don't know where, don't know when..."

Reminds me of the Pink Floyd song:

"Does anybody here remember Veera Musikapong? Remember how he said that they would meet again some sunny day? Veera, Veera, what has become of you?"

[Koo82]

Koo the ASEAN partners don't give a toss if he was on the PAD stage for a speech or not.

ONLY the red shirts care about this.That's why this issue of sorts is being ignored so totally.

Sleeping at Government House and airports is wrong as it stops the daily operation.

Who joins that bunch is wrong too.

Same as if I rob people and someone goes with me, he is wrong too.

If no big deal with protesting making 350,000 tourists stranded, making loss to export & airlines business, having people die and police hurt, then why the fuss about cooking on tv? Why does someone care if someone's wife bought a land and he signed ok for her to buy? I don't see any damage made with cooking on tv and buying land. They just make the law to aim at someone they don't like. And tell people they should happy with the decision.

Don't think no one knows. Now is March 2009, not 80 years ago.

[thailandlover]

I agree that the cooking show issue was minor, but are you really saying that the Prime Minister using his power as the PM to encourage corruption regarding land acquisition on the part of his wife doesn't matter?

You state that the law is the law but then apparently, you seem to feel as some of the PAD people do, that it is only necessary when convenient to you or those you support.

Given this, I am afraid you should not stand here and accuse of others of double standards or hypocrisy.

[sriracha john]

Sleeping at Government House...

is wrong

Why? It's ok to sleep inside Parliament....