sharecropper Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 Ignoring their extra-curricular activities (by which I mean their second and third jobs, and their thirst for tea money), how are Pattaya's police funded? Is it with money from the local or national government and what does it come out of -taxes? Or are they supposed to be wholly or largely self-funding from some national police pot into which fines and other payments to them (eg confiscations) go? Also, does anyone know what the average copper's salary is? I ask because I want to understand why we seem to have so few of them around in such a large tourist city. I hardly ever see them at night, especially in high tourist areas such as Walking Street (ignoring the FTPV/A or whatever they are now called) and other major tourist areas. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaimate Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 we have a police force? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pattaya_girl Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 I heard they got about 10 Thousand Baht a month salary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samuibeachcomber Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 like many sales people,basic minimum salary(retainer) plus commission which is where the tea money comes in.am not sure if the local govt. pays salary or central govt. but if you can pass through the police academy then the rest surely is money for jam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaimate Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 the policeman in our village owns a house worth about 5 million baht,wish i could afford that on 10000 baht a month Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boater Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 i think there basic is about 6K +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHdiver Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 the policeman in our village owns a house worth about 5 million baht,wish i could afford that on 10000 baht a month Maybe his daughter(s) are working in Bangkok or Pattaya? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaimate Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 the policeman in our village owns a house worth about 5 million baht,wish i could afford that on 10000 baht a month Maybe his daughter(s) are working in Bangkok or Pattaya? no his daughters are young and play with my lad as does his young son ,all have m/bikes and computers ect , didnt realize 10,000 baht went so far,wish mine did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSJ Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 Hi thaimate, serving members get a bit of discount here and there on purchases. It's amazing how 10000baht can seem like 50k baht! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LtCol Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 Can't be exact as there was a recent negotiation for a rise for Police. But, a sub-lieutenant is about 10,000 a month , but , new on the job can be as low as 8,000 plus around 3,000 a month for Rank once you start getting promotions. There is also a 3,000 a month location fee paid to some Senior Ranks. Their Base is around the 25,000 a month. In 2005 they started around 233 per day when the basic was 175 a day. For interest , I saw this asked on another thread can't remeber where , but, it is connected. Thailands average Police to Population ratio is about 3.35 per 1,000 , USA is 4.08 per1,000 Rural & 3.2 per 1,000 Cities, UK is 2.04 per 1,000 (ranked 34th), Aust is 2.09 1,000 (ranked 32nd) ( United Nations source) Thailand Police are ranked the 14th most heavily Populated Dept in the world. USA is not usually ranked as it has so many agencies & count Park Rangers etc. (about 15,000 Law Enforcement Depts.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharecropper Posted March 22, 2009 Author Share Posted March 22, 2009 the policeman in our village owns a house worth about 5 million baht,wish i could afford that on 10000 baht a month Maybe his daughter(s) are working in Bangkok or Pattaya? no his daughters are young and play with my lad as does his young son ,all have m/bikes and computers ect , didnt realize 10,000 baht went so far,wish mine did I suspect many other peoples' 10,000 baht went so far, unfortunately. Thanks for the replies, although I still don't understand who pays them - local government (in which case Pattaya police could afford to be on a comparatively large salary, given local tax receipts), or the national government. Also, when coppers "tea money" you on the roads, or elsewhere, do you think it goes into central taxes, their back pocket or does it get kicked upstairs, like some pyramid scam, with the collector getting a percentage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaethon Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 As I understand it, tea money is pure bribe: no ticket, no receipt and the cash goes into the back pocket. If a ticket is issued and you pay the full fine at a station or some ad hoc roadside 'office' the copper issuing the ticket gets a cut as do folks higher up the food chain. Where the remainder goes, I don't know. It's like the tip system in some bars, if you give it directly to the server it's theirs alone, if you leave it on the change tray/wallet, it goes in the pot and the servers all get a share (less management 'handling fee') Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost in LOS Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 200 baht a day and all you can steal oops, collect donations............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TVmonitor Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 (edited) I find it very sad that almost down to a man/woman, the people of Thailand find it acceptable that a membr of the police can stop anyone at any time and - regardless of whether or not they have broken the law - demand 100 ror 200 baht. Edited March 22, 2009 by TVmonitor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pattaya_girl Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 There Salary comes out of the National Goverment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrybike Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 day light robbers they are at least dick turpin had the decency to wear a mask when robbing people ........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaethon Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 day light robbers they are at least dick turpin had the decency to wear a mask when robbing people ........... But they do... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrybike Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 day light robbers they are at least dick turpin had the decency to wear a mask when robbing people ........... But they do... good one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyebee Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 I understand that they have to pay for their uniforms, handcuffs, guns etc., out of their salary as there is no fund for accessories. Maybe that's why the uniforms are so tight - less cloth so cheaper! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilHarries Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 I understand that they have to pay for their uniforms, handcuffs, guns etc., out of their salary as there is no fund for accessories. Maybe that's why the uniforms are so tight - less cloth so cheaper! No, the uniform starts out a slack fit but the pliceman expands in direct proportion to the generosity of his victims donors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasRanger Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 It's a well known fact that the job of policeman / teacher etc. is still looked upon as a very respectful position here in Thailand hence there are a lot of rich peoples kids doing the job. I have met a couple that live in big houses drive big cars etc. Doesn't mean they are on the take, in fact they might be one of the few that isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareddiving Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 Respected??? Dont think so.. Also not by a lot of the Thais.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gymshark Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 Respected??? Dont think so.. Also not by a lot of the Thais.. It is true. Parents are proud when the son is a cop or a teacher or a soldier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareddiving Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 Maybe the parents.. but this doesn't mean all the Thais. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LennyW Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 (edited) My wife's theory as to why the highway police wear the "tit" masks and sunglasses is to avoid recognition and retribution by any of the truck drivers they pull over??? Edited March 24, 2009 by LennyW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SurfRider Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 Before Siam, I lived in the Philippines -- there was an understood rule among Expats -- "If you're doing something and the police show up -- Don't Panic! -- They're only there to collect their salary" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTS Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 I wount trust them as far as I can shit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torrenova Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 The sad fact is that it will never change. Prospective coppers have to buy into the system and borrow money to do so. Thus, before they start, they are in debt and the only way out is to be a bent copper. Not that LOS has straight coppers anyway. It is a license to print money. The admiration goes back, with my knowledge, to the old Chinese thinking that it is not how you acquire your money that is important, only that you acquire it. Face is gained and esteem derived from having money and as those attributes are above all else, they are to be followed no matter what. Given that the military and police are part of the class with their heads in the trough then they are looked up to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehs818 Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 As for how they are officially compensated, they receive a base salary and then can earn more by writing citations. From those fines the office receives 50%, the provinces get 47%, and the national government receives 3%. But we all know that there are many scams going on and much more money probably comes from that. Have you ever wondered why they send 15 officers to bust a card game that has a total of something like 345 baht being wagered by the 6-10 people playing. I think the majority of the cash confiscated goes directly into a fund, or someones pocket. Who's gonna complain? The people being arrested? I don't think so! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharecropper Posted April 9, 2009 Author Share Posted April 9, 2009 After the events of the past few days I suppose the answer to the question "how much do Pattaya police get paid" is, whatever their salary is, it is TOO MUCH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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