10,000 Police, Soldiers, Security Officials Deployed To Keep Security At Government House

[kurtgruen]

Maybe it has something to do with the fact that contrary to the PAD crowd, vastly composed of old ladies, middle class housewives coming with their kids (and their self-indulgence) at the sittings and other wanke_rs who don't actually need to work to make a living and therefore can afford to come clap their little clappers ad eternum, the reds are mostly working class peoples who, as crazy as it sounds for a Bangkok hiso, have to work in order to pay the bills at the end of the month.

Then how can they afford to take time off to come to Bangkok?

You don't get it do, you? They aren't taking time off from work, because the vast majority don't work regular jobs. My sister-in-law in Udonthani was offered 1,000 baht for 3 days in Bangkok, plus free food, and a guarantee that the hired buses would get her back home in time for the weekend. She sells Issan sausages from a cart and her average income after expenses is about 150 baht per day.

My suggestion...pack her sausage cart down on the truck, let her wear the red shirt for three days to collect her 1000 Baht, plus she can make another 100,000, selling Issan sausages, in the days to come ;-)

[kurtgruen]

Thaksin is perhaps the most self serving individual I've ever seen, from any walk of life. To invite people to bring their children to a protest, while he whisks away his own on fears of safety is hypocrisy of the worst kind.

I am glad you picked up on that. It pretty much says it all about the leadership of this "peoples" demonstration.

Leaving Taksin aside and leaving aside preconceived ideas and opinions; do posters think people are right to seek cahnge in their couintry. that is the real question

Definitely! This country needs change.

As far as timing goes, it is wrong.

As far as their leader goes, it is wrong, as already explained by jbowman in his other post. If you are going to have a revolution, have one with a leader who genuinly cares about the people (People like Che Guevara come to mind), not some self serving, corrupt cop, who has only used this country to line his pocket, while throwing a few crumbs to the poor, to keep them from revolting.

What a pathetic excuse of a human being, calling the masses to bring their children, to a potentially violent situation, while getting his family out of the country. As my kids would say Lllllloooooooser.

[h90]

Thaksin is perhaps the most self serving individual I've ever seen, from any walk of life. To invite people to bring their children to a protest, while he whisks away his own on fears of safety is hypocrisy of the worst kind.

I am glad you picked up on that. It pretty much says it all about the leadership of this "peoples" demonstration.

Leaving Taksin aside and leaving aside preconceived ideas and opinions; do posters think people are right to seek cahnge in their couintry. that is the real question

Definitely! This country needs change.

As far as timing goes, it is wrong.

As far as their leader goes, it is wrong, as already explained by jbowman in his other post. If you are going to have a revolution, have one with a leader who genuinly cares about the people (People like Che Guevara come to mind), not some self serving, corrupt cop, who has only used this country to line his pocket, while throwing a few crumbs to the poor, to keep them from revolting.

What a pathetic excuse of a human being, calling the masses to bring their children, to a potentially violent situation, while getting his family out of the country. As my kids would say Lllllloooooooser.

Bringing the kids to the war, reminds me to a famous Austrian politician, but he didn't win the war as well.

[kurtgruen]

Bringing the kids to the war, reminds me to a famous Austrian politician, but he didn't win the war as well.

Exactly H90. Thaksin also reminds me off him, because of his past racist policies

[medegen]

2 injured when yellow-shirted woman crashes her car into protesters

A woman clad in yellow shirt crashed her Toyota Camry into the direction of a group of protesters in front of the Sisao Theves residence of Privy Council President Prem Tinsulanonda Thursday morning, injuring two persons.

Police said the woman sped her car from the First Infantry Division Intersection to the rally site in front of Prem's house at 7:20 am.

Terrified demonstrators ran for their life but the car hit a road sweeper and a protester.

The car quickly let the scene.

The incident caused the demonstrators to become furious and they spread out to hunt for woman.

A group of protesters thought the car had fled inside the Suan Amporn Garden and tried to break in into the compound to capture her but guards insisted the gate was closed and no vehicle had come inside.

Later on, their leaders announced that police had arrested the woman, prompting the protesters to return to the rally site.

The Nation

Edited April 9, 2009 by medegen

[kurtgruen]

2 injured when yellow-shirted woman crashes her car into protesters

A woman clad in yellow shirt crashed her Toyota Camry into the direction of a group of protesters in front of the Sisao Theves residence of Privy Council President Prem Tinsulanonda Thursday morning, injuring two persons.

The Nation

Stupid woman! Behaviour like that is not acceptable. I would give her 20 years in jail for attempted murder!

I think it's fair to say, most of the supporters on either side, don't support criminal behavior like this. It makes me sad to see things like this happen and there is absolutely no excuse for it.

Edited April 9, 2009 by kurtgruen

[LevelHead]

Thaksin is perhaps the most self serving individual I've ever seen, from any walk of life. To invite people to bring their children to a protest, while he whisks away his own on fears of safety is hypocrisy of the worst kind.

I am glad you picked up on that. It pretty much says it all about the leadership of this "peoples" demonstration.

Leaving Taksin aside and leaving aside preconceived ideas and opinions; do posters think people are right to seek cahnge in their couintry. that is the real question

Definitely! This country needs change.

As far as timing goes, it is wrong.

As far as their leader goes, it is wrong, as already explained by jbowman in his other post. If you are going to have a revolution, have one with a leader who genuinly cares about the people (People like Che Guevara come to mind), not some self serving, corrupt cop, who has only used this country to line his pocket, while throwing a few crumbs to the poor, to keep them from revolting.

What a pathetic excuse of a human being, calling the masses to bring their children, to a potentially violent situation, while getting his family out of the country. As my kids would say Lllllloooooooser.

He has simply removed people who could be held hostage by the "elite" in order for them to force the reds to stop. Do you honestly think that these Yellow people would not stoop so low as to take some of the close family hostage and threaten them with harm and death.

<snip>

Edited April 9, 2009 by Jai Dee
Flame deleted.

[LevelHead]

2 injured when yellow-shirted woman crashes her car into protesters

A woman clad in yellow shirt crashed her Toyota Camry into the direction of a group of protesters in front of the Sisao Theves residence of Privy Council President Prem Tinsulanonda Thursday morning, injuring two persons.

Police said the woman sped her car from the First Infantry Division Intersection to the rally site in front of Prem's house at 7:20 am.

Terrified demonstrators ran for their life but the car hit a road sweeper and a protester.

The car quickly let the scene.

The incident caused the demonstrators to become furious and they spread out to hunt for woman.

A group of protesters thought the car had fled inside the Suan Amporn Garden and tried to break in into the compound to capture her but guards insisted the gate was closed and no vehicle had come inside.

Later on, their leaders announced that police had arrested the woman, prompting the protesters to return to the rally site.

The Nation

She will likely never be convicted, the current government was formed by, is filled with, and advised by the Yellows.

The current government appears to have no plans to seriously convict the PAD of all their crimes, shutting airports etc..

This women likely feels safe she is "unconvictable" if she wears and yellow shirt and does something like that.

[hammered]

Thaksin is perhaps the most self serving individual I've ever seen, from any walk of life. To invite people to bring their children to a protest, while he whisks away his own on fears of safety is hypocrisy of the worst kind.

I am glad you picked up on that. It pretty much says it all about the leadership of this "peoples" demonstration.

Leaving Taksin aside and leaving aside preconceived ideas and opinions; do posters think people are right to seek cahnge in their couintry. that is the real question

Actually if the highly emotive issue of Thaksin were removed from the whole equation finding a solution and reconcilliation would probably be a lot easier.

Everyone has the right to peaceful assembly and demonstration.

Kudos to the organisers that it has remained peaceful. Also kudos to the authorities and government on that front too.

[LevelHead]

Thaksin knows that the people who conspired to make up false allegations against him, those who "did the dirty" and sold out things that are normally not told, those Elite who have for years run Thailand as their personal money making enterprise, those big Army generals with Billions of baht they should not have etc etc...... are more afraid of something else.

Thaksin knows that his life is now finished, his name tarnished.

However, he also knows that if he blows the whistle on all of those Elite who conspired to kick him out, he will "take them down, just as they took him down".

Ultimately this is why I like the reds cause, for the end result will be good for the Thai people. Thaksin is now fighting for true democracy, as this is the one thing all those fat greedy corrupt Elite do not want.

They threw stones in a glass house, and now Thaksin is making sure those stones break the glass, just as he had his glass broken.

Do not see this as the PAD / Democrats / Elite are trying to "spin" it as. They want people to think its just Thaksin wanting to get off all charges.

The real fight here is Thaksin now supporting "true Democracy" in Thailand, and the Bangkok Elite finally getting kicked into touch.

It might be revenge for Thaksin, but it really is the future and freedom for the Thai people thats now on the line.

and what is with the true allegations?

The 3000 dead?

The extreme corruption?

Thaksin is (part of) this greedy elite. You guys are sitting on the wrong horse.

Errr.... it is a proven fact that corruption was much less during the Thaksin era, than it was before it.

This is the reason the Elite got unhappy and wanted Thaksin out, he cut off many of their "easy money schemes" - like taking toll booth fee's and not giving receipts to drivers.

3000 dead, did Thaksin kill them ?

How many civilians are killed by US bombs or UK bombs ? Are their Presidents or Prime Ministers responsible ? Be careful what "parallels" you try to draw.

[webfact]

Thaksin knows that the people who conspired to make up false allegations against him, those who "did the dirty" and sold out things that are normally not told, those Elite who have for years run Thailand as their personal money making enterprise, those big Army generals with Billions of baht they should not have etc etc...... are more afraid of something else.

Thaksin knows that his life is now finished, his name tarnished.

However, he also knows that if he blows the whistle on all of those Elite who conspired to kick him out, he will "take them down, just as they took him down".

Ultimately this is why I like the reds cause, for the end result will be good for the Thai people. Thaksin is now fighting for true democracy, as this is the one thing all those fat greedy corrupt Elite do not want.

They threw stones in a glass house, and now Thaksin is making sure those stones break the glass, just as he had his glass broken.

Do not see this as the PAD / Democrats / Elite are trying to "spin" it as. They want people to think its just Thaksin wanting to get off all charges.

The real fight here is Thaksin now supporting "true Democracy" in Thailand, and the Bangkok Elite finally getting kicked into touch.

It might be revenge for Thaksin, but it really is the future and freedom for the Thai people thats now on the line.

and what is with the true allegations?

The 3000 dead?

The extreme corruption?

Thaksin is (part of) this greedy elite. You guys are sitting on the wrong horse.

Errr.... it is a proven fact that corruption was much less during the Thaksin era, than it was before it.

This is the reason the Elite got unhappy and wanted Thaksin out, he cut off many of their "easy money schemes" - like taking toll booth fee's and not giving receipts to drivers.

3000 dead, did Thaksin kill them ?

How many civilians are killed by US bombs or UK bombs ? Are their Presidents or Prime Ministers responsible ? Be careful what "parallels" you try to draw.

Please enlighten me and give me some proven facts. I am eager to learn about! Thanks

[MengWan]

Actually if the highly emotive issue of Thaksin were removed from the whole equation finding a solution and reconcilliation would probably be a lot easier.

That's true, for Thaksin and "divisive" people of his kind ...

[LevelHead]

Thaksin knows that the people who conspired to make up false allegations against him, those who "did the dirty" and sold out things that are normally not told, those Elite who have for years run Thailand as their personal money making enterprise, those big Army generals with Billions of baht they should not have etc etc...... are more afraid of something else.

Thaksin knows that his life is now finished, his name tarnished.

However, he also knows that if he blows the whistle on all of those Elite who conspired to kick him out, he will "take them down, just as they took him down".

Ultimately this is why I like the reds cause, for the end result will be good for the Thai people. Thaksin is now fighting for true democracy, as this is the one thing all those fat greedy corrupt Elite do not want.

They threw stones in a glass house, and now Thaksin is making sure those stones break the glass, just as he had his glass broken.

Do not see this as the PAD / Democrats / Elite are trying to "spin" it as. They want people to think its just Thaksin wanting to get off all charges.

The real fight here is Thaksin now supporting "true Democracy" in Thailand, and the Bangkok Elite finally getting kicked into touch.

It might be revenge for Thaksin, but it really is the future and freedom for the Thai people thats now on the line.

and what is with the true allegations?

The 3000 dead?

The extreme corruption?

Thaksin is (part of) this greedy elite. You guys are sitting on the wrong horse.

Errr.... it is a proven fact that corruption was much less during the Thaksin era, than it was before it.

This is the reason the Elite got unhappy and wanted Thaksin out, he cut off many of their "easy money schemes" - like taking toll booth fee's and not giving receipts to drivers.

3000 dead, did Thaksin kill them ?

How many civilians are killed by US bombs or UK bombs ? Are their Presidents or Prime Ministers responsible ? Be careful what "parallels" you try to draw.

Please enlighten me and give me some proven facts. I am eager to learn about! Thanks

I was waiting for the "prove it" to be said.

I have been in Thailand over 2 decades, and believe me vote buying used to be rampant in the 1980's. The newspapers were filled with corruption scandals all the time. Swampy airport project had gone on for decades wasting billions, but was still a swamp.

Thaksin was elected to power under the TRT to "rid Thailand of corruption". The people wanted him as he was already rich, and did not need to take "too much more".

At this stage please note the only offence Thaksin is convicted of is his wife buying some land......if thats an offence. Nothing else has been charged with. The idiots and liars who quote "tax evasion" are idiots, the law of the land was adhered to, he broke no laws. Many tax loopholes exist in many countries and politicians and rich use them often, this may be morally wrong, but its not illegal.

When Thaksin was in power, roads got built, Swampy airport after a few decades was finally finished. We actually saw checks and balances like having Cadets sit at Tollway booths counting cars to prevent the "no receipt given to driver scam".

Now, whilst the Elite have done a good job painting Thaksin bad, the reason for this is that he upset them by preventing massive corruption.

I would say this to you, prove to me that corruption was not more before Thaksin........for I know it was.

[ballpoint]

Errr.... it is a proven fact that corruption was much less during the Thaksin era, than it was before it.

This is the reason the Elite got unhappy and wanted Thaksin out, he cut off many of their "easy money schemes" - like taking toll booth fee's and not giving receipts to drivers.

3000 dead, did Thaksin kill them ?

How many civilians are killed by US bombs or UK bombs ? Are their Presidents or Prime Ministers responsible ? Be careful what "parallels" you try to draw.

The plot has well and truely been lost. All those poor "Elites" sitting in the toll booths skimming off a few baht at a time must really be upset. I never realised that when I handed over my money the girl taking it was a Khunying. And the guy in the other booth, 50th in line to the throne?

[hammered]

Thaksin is perhaps the most self serving individual I've ever seen, from any walk of life. To invite people to bring their children to a protest, while he whisks away his own on fears of safety is hypocrisy of the worst kind.

I am glad you picked up on that. It pretty much says it all about the leadership of this "peoples" demonstration.

The children issue is despicable whatever one thinks of the politcs. Areas of potential violence or even just panic when people are crushed close together are not where children should be taken.

[sriracha john]

There are only 2 choices. Abhisit or Charlerm.

Would you want Charlerm on Hard Talk last night?

[h90]

Thaksin knows that the people who conspired to make up false allegations against him, those who "did the dirty" and sold out things that are normally not told, those Elite who have for years run Thailand as their personal money making enterprise, those big Army generals with Billions of baht they should not have etc etc...... are more afraid of something else.

Thaksin knows that his life is now finished, his name tarnished.

However, he also knows that if he blows the whistle on all of those Elite who conspired to kick him out, he will "take them down, just as they took him down".

Ultimately this is why I like the reds cause, for the end result will be good for the Thai people. Thaksin is now fighting for true democracy, as this is the one thing all those fat greedy corrupt Elite do not want.

They threw stones in a glass house, and now Thaksin is making sure those stones break the glass, just as he had his glass broken.

Do not see this as the PAD / Democrats / Elite are trying to "spin" it as. They want people to think its just Thaksin wanting to get off all charges.

The real fight here is Thaksin now supporting "true Democracy" in Thailand, and the Bangkok Elite finally getting kicked into touch.

It might be revenge for Thaksin, but it really is the future and freedom for the Thai people thats now on the line.

and what is with the true allegations?

The 3000 dead?

The extreme corruption?

Thaksin is (part of) this greedy elite. You guys are sitting on the wrong horse.

Errr.... it is a proven fact that corruption was much less during the Thaksin era, than it was before it.

This is the reason the Elite got unhappy and wanted Thaksin out, he cut off many of their "easy money schemes" - like taking toll booth fee's and not giving receipts to drivers.

3000 dead, did Thaksin kill them ?

How many civilians are killed by US bombs or UK bombs ? Are their Presidents or Prime Ministers responsible ? Be careful what "parallels" you try to draw.

The proven fact is that corruption got worse under Thaksin and that Thailand is one of the top corrupt countries in SE Asia by now. There are yearly statistics.

3000 dead....yes Thaksin ordered to kill them!

As for the US and UK bombings: Sad topic, I am complete with you. War crimes with approx. 1.5 Mill deads mostly civilians in Afghanistan and Iraq. Of course Bush and Blair are responsible, just I doubt that I'll ever see them at court. Almost like in Thailand, if you are big enough you don't go into jail.....

But these crimes don't make the 3000 dead ones better, it is still the same crime.

If I walk in your house and shoot you, it is a crime, everyone understand that.

If I sit in the office and order someone else to shoot 3000 people everyone finds some excuses why this might be acceptable.

[h90]

There are only 2 choices. Abhisit or Charlerm.

Would you want Charlerm on Hard Talk last night?

Where did you find that nice picture of our next PM?

Some "vino" involved?

[sriracha john]

I think that many would disagree that there are only 2 choices.

Please feel free to enlighten us!

Regardless of what is said publicly, I'm certain that many of the redshirts are actually pushing for Thaksin to return to power.

post modified:

Would you want Thaksin on Hard Talk last night?

Edited April 9, 2009 by sriracha john

[jbowman1993]

Thaksin isn't a choice because he is a tried, convicted, and sentanced criminal, and by law, they are not allowed to hold any kind of public office.

[jbowman1993]

Is Levelhead actually Younghusband's ghost?

[kurtgruen]

She will likely never be convicted, the current government was formed by, is filled with, and advised by the Yellows.

The current government appears to have no plans to seriously convict the PAD of all their crimes, shutting airports etc..

This women likely feels safe she is "unconvictable" if she wears and yellow shirt and does something like that.

If you are looking for stupidity, I suggest looking in the mirror, after the above comment.

[Moonrakers]

At this stage please note the only offence Thaksin is convicted of is his wife buying some land......if thats an offence. Nothing else has been charged with. The idiots and liars who quote "tax evasion" are idiots, the law of the land was adhered to, he broke no laws. Many tax loopholes exist in many countries and politicians and rich use them often, this may be morally wrong, but its not illegal.

Nothing else has been charged with.

That's just not true now is it? He has been charged with a number of other offences, only he is not here for the proceedings to go ahead.

How many warrants does he have out for his arrest?

[kurtgruen]

Is Levelhead actually Younghusband's ghost?

I think so.

Even so, I agree, that having alias' are acceptable, esspecially, in countries, where free speech is not possible, I don't believe it gives one the license to be rude. If you want to be rude, at least post under your real name. I may not be the most polite person at times, but at least I am rude under my own name ;-)

[kurtgruen]

Anyways, I'm going for breakfast. Maybe there will be some pictures of the millions, when I get back ;-) So what did the "D" stand for in D-Day yesterday? I have a few suggestions, but I think I'll keep them to myself for now lol

[h90]

Is Levelhead actually Younghusband's ghost?

seems like he is the reborn Younghusband.

It seems some people get reborn again and again after being banned.

[sriracha john]

She will likely never be convicted, the current government was formed by, is filled with, and advised by the Yellows.

The current government appears to have no plans to seriously convict the PAD of all their crimes, shutting airports etc..

This women likely feels safe she is "unconvictable" if she wears and yellow shirt and does something like that.

I hope the government doesn't have plans to convict anyone of anything on any side. That's the judicial system's responsibility.

It's known as separation of powers.

Edited April 9, 2009 by sriracha john

[TAWP]

City's losses tripled under Thaksin

**snipp

- Crain's Manchester Business News / 2009-04-08

As the " Proclaimed Thai Visa News Reporter and Part Time Moderator". Have you ever reported any news that didn't support your socialist PAD? I guess you think you are the same as FOX news (Fair and balanced).

Socialist PAD?

Now you sound like the thai woman I was referring to yesterday that lived many years in the US and claimed the current government was 'communist' and said any saying that communists or marxists (as Giles) supported the red was PAD propaganda...owell...

[h90]

Anyways, I'm going for breakfast. Maybe there will be some pictures of the millions, when I get back ;-) So what did the "D" stand for in D-Day yesterday? I have a few suggestions, but I think I'll keep them to myself for now lol

Yes, yesterday was the D-Day and the final victory with 1.000.000 protestors.

Today at 16.00 the ultimatum for the privy council and Abhisit to remove themself.

So this evening will be the final last D-Day and the last final ultimate ultimatum.

And tomorrow everyone will go home to come again in May with 10.000.000 protestors and the last final last D-Day and the final last final ultimate ultimatum for the Privy council and Abhisit.....

Any forecast for June? Maybe a mass demonstration would be something new.....

[donx]

Thaksin isn't a choice because he is a tried, convicted, and sentanced criminal, and by law, they are not allowed to hold any kind of public office.

You are correct that he has been tried, convicted, and sentenced a criminal, and by law, he may not be allowed to hold any kind of public office. But I believe military coups are also illegal. This doesn't stop them from happening. If the redshirts get their way and have the current PM removed, parliment disolved, and new elections held, I'm sure that if they (whomever that may be that represents the redshirts for the elections) win the elections, laws will be modified to allow Thaksin to return to face a different court with a different set of judges which will overturn the conviction. This will enable Thaksin to return to power.

I may be wrong, but this is what I believe the end goal of the redshirts to be.

And just so that I make my position on these matters perfectly clear, this is not what I would like to see happen. I am all for stability and non-violence and for Thaksin to never return to power since that would guarantee instability in Thailand for years to come. Unfortunately, I can't say that I see much good coming from the current government either.