My Daughter And Her Mother Visa To Uk

[kerr17]

My situation is a bit complicated.

I have double nationality (British and Italian) and I have a daughter born just a couple of weeks ago.

I'm not married, and I'm planning to bring my daughter and her mother to Uk in few months time for about 1-2 months.

I preferred to get my daughter an Italian passport to beging with but as i have to go to Uk it may be better to get a British one for her as i guess it would be easier for her mother to get a visa herself while if my daughter she will hold an italian passport may be slightly difficult for my gf to get a visa to UK.

In any case will it be difficult to get a visa for my girlfriend considering we are not married?

[7by7]

Assuming that you are British by birth rather than naturalisation and are named as the father on her birth certificate, your daughter is automatically British. So you can obtain a British passport for her, see How to register a birth from the British embassy. She would then not need a visa to visit the UK.

I don't know about Italian nationality rules, I'm afraid, but it may be that she is also Italian. If so and you obtain an Italian passport for her then again, she would not need a visa to visit the UK.

Her mother, your girlfriend, will need a visit visa for the UK, assuming she's Thai, but if you show that you are living together in Thailand (and you are legally residing there), this should not be to difficult.

See Guidance - Visitors (INF 2) and Guidance - Sponsors (INF 3) .

For where and how to apply, see the UK Visa Application Centre in Bangkok.

[kerr17]

Assuming that you are British by birth rather than naturalisation and are named as the father on her birth certificate, your daughter is automatically British. So you can obtain a British passport for her, see How to register a birth from the British embassy. She would then not need a visa to visit the UK.

I don't know about Italian nationality rules, I'm afraid, but it may be that she is also Italian. If so and you obtain an Italian passport for her then again, she would not need a visa to visit the UK.

Her mother, your girlfriend, will need a visit visa for the UK, assuming she's Thai, but if you show that you are living together in Thailand (and you are legally residing there), this should not be to difficult.

See Guidance - Visitors (INF 2) and Guidance - Sponsors (INF 3) .

For where and how to apply, see the UK Visa Application Centre in Bangkok.

Thanks a lot, much apprecciated indeed.

I'm in fact British by birth although raised in Italy and i managed to get the UK passport not long ago (that explain why my english is not that good ).

However I only have my British passport with me and I don't have my birth certificate is that a problem?

To add some more problem to my situation i was previously married 7 years ago with another Thai girl in Italy and i still close to her, that's why I decided not to divorce in order to make it simple for her to gain nationality despite being with my current girlfriend and the mother of my baby for over 2 years now.

Should i mention that to the British embassy or as I was married in Italy is none of their concern?

[Eff1n2ret]

To add some more problem to my situation i was previously married 7 years ago with another Thai girl in Italy and i still close to her, that's why I decided not to divorce in order to make it simple for her to gain nationality despite being with my current girlfriend and the mother of my baby for over 2 years now.

Should i mention that to the British embassy or as I was married in Italy is none of their concern?

If you/she were applying for a settlement visa, that would be of fundamental importance, and failure to declare it would result in refusal or cancellation of the visa/LTR if/when it came to light, and a lengthy ban on further applications.

However, it is not of relevance to an application for a short visit, and nowhere on the Visit visa application form is it required to state the sponsor's marital status. So don't complicate matters by mentioning it. As long as you can show plenty of evidence of an enduring relationship and her intention to return to Thailand, as well as the usual support and accommodation criteria it is likely to meet the requirements of the Rules.

If she was asked directly about your marital status in an interview she should tell the truth, and would have to take her chances on whether the ECO considered that was fatal to the application. You don't actually say so, but if you are intending to return to Thailand with her, there shouldn't be much of a problem. If you are intending to stay in the UK, things could be more tricky.

Edited March 30, 2009 by Eff1n2ret

[torrenova]

You will need your long version UK birth certificate to get a passport for your child. You can do this online and they will post it to Thailand. I did it this way.

If you are not married to the mother of your baby, the British Embassy do not care about your previous marriages nor do they need to see evidence of divorce etc. I also had this information but was told it was not required as I was not claiming to be married to the mother of the baby. This is pertinent for kids born prior to July 1st 2006 whose parent have to be married to ensure easy routes to UK passports. After that date, you do not need to be married.

I would go for the UK passport. Later get the Italian passport if applicable. Get a Thai passport as well.

[kerr17]

Thank you very much for your great advices.

Really apprecciated.

[kerr17]

You will need your long version UK birth certificate to get a passport for your child. You can do this online and they will post it to Thailand. I did it this way.

If you are not married to the mother of your baby, the British Embassy do not care about your previous marriages nor do they need to see evidence of divorce etc. I also had this information but was told it was not required as I was not claiming to be married to the mother of the baby. This is pertinent for kids born prior to July 1st 2006 whose parent have to be married to ensure easy routes to UK passports. After that date, you do not need to be married.

I would go for the UK passport. Later get the Italian passport if applicable. Get a Thai passport as well.

I'm planning to fully follow your advice, what should i then state in my daughter birth-form about my marriage status?

Should i declare that i married and the mother is not or should i just declare I'm single? (considered I'm married in Italy)

If i will declare that I'm married and the mother is single and i cannot provide any evidence of a divorce , would it be a problem?

To add more problem, I was born in London but I'm not a British descent (although i have an original copy of a birth certificate along a British passport), does this complicate things any further?

Thanks a lot in advance on everyone can give me an help on this,

[kerr17]

If anyone could help on this would be extremely appreciated,

thanks

[7by7]

As you are British by birth (called 'otherwise than by descent') you can transmit that citizenship to your daughter even though she was born outside the UK. (She is British by descent, so could not transmit her British citizenship to any children she may have who are born outside the UK.)

As she was born after July 2006 you do not need to be married to her mother in order for her to be British. Still being married to another person doesn't change this. What you put on the birth certificate is your choice, but I always advocate the truth.

This Wikipedia article gives a relatively simple explanation of the British nationality rules.

Edited April 30, 2009 by 7by7

[kerr17]

As you are British by birth (called 'otherwise than by descent') you can transmit that citizenship to your daughter even though she was born outside the UK. (She is British by descent, so could not transmit her British citizenship to any children she may have who are born outside the UK.)

As she was born after July 2006 you do not need to be married to her mother in order for her to be British. Still being married to another person doesn't change this. What you put on the birth certificate is your choice, but I always advocate the truth.

This Wikipedia article gives a relatively simple explanation of the British nationality rules.

Thank you very much, truly appreciated, i will follow your advice then.