Arrest Warrants Issued For 14 Red Shirt Leaders And Thaksin

[Thanh-BKK]

HVT.

Koo is is in love with Thaksin and you are her full time PR officer so no other story expected. I still think you two are either the same or living together.

Regarding the buses, it was on LIVE television when the white-blue bus was rammed into an orange one, soldiers then stormed said white-blue bus and dragged one single, red-shirted, person out of it who was the driver. I don't know what the driver's story is, probably something to the tune of "i am not really a red shirt but a yellow in disguise, and it was a ghost who commanded me to do it" however it doesn't matter, a bus was rammed into another deliberately and the driver wore a red shirt, enough said.

Regarding "other bus cases", if the only people coming out of a bus, that has no business in that area, wear red and the drivers do as well.... or when a person is seen setting fire to a bus and that person is wearing red.... nooooo, it can't be reds. Must be yellows. Or soldiers. Or cops. But no reds, because they are all angels as we know by now (see Koo's kind words for them).

And regarding "PAD and buses", yup indeed they hijacked one single bus. They didn't even put a dent in it, let alone burn it. If you want to compare something, don't compare a Cessna to a squad of Mig's. And if you have time on hand, you might search older threads from back then, because i wrote back then (when that news bit came up) that i did NOT support that action (hijacking of buses). Still, hijacking ONE bus and hijacking 50 buses and destroying half of them is two pairs of shoes, even YOU should understand that.

The lady in the fight. Yes, same lady. Probably same fight, too. SHE claimed that it was SOLDIERS who she fought with respectively who hit her, while no soldier even got to arm's length. Unfortunately for her it was on television, too.

Oh, by the way.... where was the tear gas against the reds? Double standards eh?

Best regards.....

Thanh

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I remember that lady was giving a press conference about the incident, while Democrats were playing a full video version in parliament where she spat on a guy who eventually dragged her.

Reporters rushed to watch that, and the lady was pissed that no one listened to her side.

[hammered]

Just spent some time up country in the north where many seem bored by all this, or at least many of the apolitical.

Interesting to return and see the same old same old on here

I recommend some time in villages or small towns talking to ordinary people. It is quite interesting and at times sobering.

[Plus]

It is kind of slow even here. People are tired of the same old "you did, we didn't" tussle. The debate isn't moving anywhere and is not as entertaining as it was when there still was a hope.

[HagenvonTronje]

Regarding the buses, it was on LIVE television when the white-blue bus was rammed into an orange one, soldiers then stormed said white-blue bus and dragged one single, red-shirted, person out of it who was the driver ...

Still repeating your stories of what you believe that you have seen it on TV? That is not evidence. You are the best example here that such "reports" could not be trusted and are more or less BS. A 36 old woman in Phuket becomes in your version a 79 years old granny in Pattaya, 36 hours in arrest are in your version several days in jail. Did you saw that too, LIVE, on television?

That woman that got dragged by her hair, YOU CLAIMED there haven’t been any soldiers nearby. However, they are visible, just standing around and do nothing.

there was the assumption that the hair pulling 'hero' is also a soldier, but here it turned out he was only a ex- PAD guard, but nor from the army.. Anyway, lot of soldiers in civilian clothes around and the ones standing there do nothing, didn’t came for help. And the woman did not spit on him. That is not true.

The PAD stole and destroyed more than one bus, they also have been rioting all day in front of the parliament, street fighting with the police and those smart yellow leaders kept sending their peaceful supporters into the hot zone as human shields and to have some gore pictures of police violence. These poor yellow sheep’s was told to go and to sacrifice themselves, meanwhile the Guards using less peaceful tactics. It is well documented how the PAD guards attack the police. That was a real riot.

Any similar evidence, pictures from the songkran riots, or just empty streets and buses? There have been some hooligans out there, but that is not enough to blame the whole red movement and order a SoE.

It can be the most brutal and violent police force that does the crackdown on protestors, chase them of the streets. Well known pictures also from other Asian countries. As long, it is just the police, never mind. Just look at the street fights around the G8, G20 or NATO meetings, first of May in Berlin, union strikes in France or South Korea and so on.

But if the government calls the military and brings soldiers out of the barracks to the streets of the capital to fight their own citizens, civilians, that is a whole new level. It is not the same like the police, even if they are just using paper bullets. This way you are a losing credibility as democratic government. That is common sense, delusional wishful thinker and true believers try to interpret in an other way.

The buses driving forwards to the armed soldiers, or mostly a symbolic orchestration, a reenactment of similar scenes on the 14 October 1973. The night Khun Voranais father, an officer in the riot prevention unit, was trapped in a police station surrounded by left-wing militants. .. situation was hopeless. Snipers were everywhere.. The buses, or the images of them running down the road, have been used to recreate again such a distorted view on history and reality.

Instead of insults, pseudo 'funny' theories who in this forum shares the bed with Thaksin, to come up with silly arguments and the fairy tails that your emotional memory had spun, you are welcome to come up with real evidence, photos and clips an so on, like Abhisit would say. There are a lot of stupid redneck comments here and kindergarten rhetoric by Thaksin haters, but not much real facts. And using caps for typing FACTS doesn't make it to them.

Still missing in this thread are photos of the red shirt activities at Din Deang and some details how the gas trucks came to that places. And lot of anything else that shows what an evil terrorist movement the red shirts are. If you have, post it. Let's collecting facts and evidence here in this thread.

Brave soldiers bring the violation of traffic laws to an end and restore the public's confidence in the government:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPJr5Wlb2Lc

[justanothercybertosser]

EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW

I underestimated the red shirts : Suthep

Published on May 25, 2009

Some people said it was Newin's plan to include the blue shirts and that caused the Pattaya Asean Summit to be cancelled.

Our goal was to avoid creating a perception that Thai people clashed with one another.

article here

Very interesting. Is that why the Blue Shirts were armed with wooden clubs, iron bars, sling shots and even a few guns, and initiated the violence?

[Thanh-BKK]

HVT

You start to insult me personally and i won't accept that, so better leave it, ok?

I never said that i saw the report of the woman from Pattaya/Phuket on television. In fact i read about that story right here on thaivisa.com. As was reported she was "four days in police custody", yes, that is "several days in jail". And she gets younger and younger with each one of your posts, interesting.

So according to you, one can't trust live television? Well then why would someone in their right mind trust YOU and your possibly faked YouTube videos that you are spamming all over this forum..? Anyone can stage a video and post it on YouTube as "facts" when in fact such is difficult to accomplish while on live coverage. And nope, not ASTV or whatever the propaganda channels are, ordinary channel 3, 7, 9 public Thai television it was.

You know what? With the same rights that you think you have to defend the reds i can as well defend the yellows. Not any one yellow ever touched a bus, those were all reds in disguise. Also nobody ever blocked an airport, that were actually all undercover police. And, sorry for you and Koo, all the current reds are not actually reds but well trained Vietcong, they are planning an invasion, starting in Nakhon Nayok at some later stage this year. Thaksin is in fact also not Thaksin but Elvis Presley in disguise.

It's up to YOU to bring prove that this is NOT the case. Good luck.

Thanh

[HagenvonTronje]

EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW

I underestimated the red shirts : Suthep

...

Some people said it was Newin's plan to include the blue shirts and that caused the Pattaya Asean Summit to be cancelled.

Our goal was to avoid creating a perception that Thai people clashed with one another.

article here

Very interesting. Is that why the Blue Shirts were armed with wooden clubs, iron bars, sling shots and even a few guns, and initiated the violence?

My favorite line of that interview is this one:

"However, as

Pattaya is a tourist city and people wake up late, people who promised to join arrived later than the red shirts.

Eventually there were clashes and things didn't go as planned."

[hammered]

Same old arguements on here that never go anywhere and dont affect ordinary people who already have made up their minds and moved on to more important things in life.

[hammered]

Edited double post

Edited May 26, 2009 by hammered

[Plus]

This way you are a losing credibility as democratic government. That is common sense, delusional wishful thinker and true believers try to interpret in an other way.

From all the outsider reports Abhisit actually gained credibility for non-violent despersal of red mobs. Maybe that one blogger who also writes fro AHRC thought different, I'd go 50/50 with that one, but I don't know anyone else who thought the govt lost credibility there.

[justanothercybertosser]

Same old arguements on here that never go anywhere and dont affect ordinary people who already have made up their minds and moved on to more important things in life.

That is a strange position. Some "ordinary" people are not interested, and that is why we are not supposed to discuss events?

Anyhow, it really depends on which ordinary people you are talking with. The events of the Songkran riots may have moved away from being the main topic of conversation as it was in the days after with the ordinary people of my neighborhood. But that does not mean that the government is liked in any way by those same ordinary. It isn't.

And still the subject of discussion regular still is the Sonkran riots, the mistakes of the Red Shirts, the setting up of the Blue Shirts, the use of the army, and the disbelieve over the claims of the government that only fake bullers were supposedly used, and that supposedly no people died.

[Plus]

that does not mean that the government is liked in any way by those same ordinary. It isn't.

That needs some proof.

the disbelieve over the claims .... that supposedly no people died.

That also needs some proof - who outside of hard core red lunatics believes in their unproven claims, or cares about them?

[HagenvonTronje]

HVT

You start to insult me personally and i won't accept that, so better leave it, ok?

I never said that i saw the report of the woman from Pattaya/Phuket on television. In fact i read about that story right here on thaivisa.com. As was reported she was "four days in police custody", yes, that is "several days in jail". And she gets younger and younger with each one of your posts, interesting.

Also nobody ever blocked an airport, that were actually all undercover police. And, sorry for you and Koo, all the current reds are not actually reds but well trained Vietcong, they are planning an invasion, starting in Nakhon Nayok at some later stage this year. Thaksin is in fact also not Thaksin but Elvis Presley in disguise.

It's up to YOU to bring prove that this is NOT the case. Good luck.

Thanh

No, I am not insulting you personally, I just take a closer look at the text, the words, the "FACTS" you had written. I didn't make that stolen bar mat case in phuket to a 79 granny in pattaya, that was you. And the woman don't get younger in my version, last time I just wrote that the mother of that woman is 19 years younger than your 79 years old grandma. Because there have been reports they celebrated the 60. birthday of her mother. Another fine example that you don't read thorough and than just came up with your own version.

And I actually did not say that it's all fake on LIVE TV. I said that this is just your own perception. In your emotional bias, you believe something to see, to see something that wasn't actually there. You cannot trust in your own memory. And I gave you the general excuse. To err is human. And so are memory errors and cognitive biases - is human. Therefore, I recommended that you reset your memories and believes, recheck them, look if you can verify them.

Obviously, you cannot do it. You cannot back up your 'facts', with hard facts. These are still only your words, your believes what you saw, your fantasies. that isn't much worth nor is it evidence.

Instead your hiding behind silly mock attempts and stupid 'who is in bed with who' arguments. That isn't smart. Better work on the accuracy of your own entries before you call the words of others BS.

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Since no one of us was there, we can't be absolutely sure what we say here is based on facts, but we put trust in other people who bring us this information, we trust the media.

It is also true that facts can be manipulated and twisted around to support totally opposite conclusions, but again, we trust the media. We want our verison of the story to be checked out by trustworty people, most of the time journalists.

If some dude posts a conspiracy theory on the Internet, it is not impressive in the least. Conspiracies are a dime a dozen, creativity is unwanted here, what we need is credibility, and media provides that.

[hammered]

Same old arguements on here that never go anywhere and dont affect ordinary people who already have made up their minds and moved on to more important things in life.

That is a strange position. Some "ordinary" people are not interested, and that is why we are not supposed to discuss events?

Anyhow, it really depends on which ordinary people you are talking with. The events of the Songkran riots may have moved away from being the main topic of conversation as it was in the days after with the ordinary people of my neighborhood. But that does not mean that the government is liked in any way by those same ordinary. It isn't.

And still the subject of discussion regular still is the Sonkran riots, the mistakes of the Red Shirts, the setting up of the Blue Shirts, the use of the army, and the disbelieve over the claims of the government that only fake bullers were supposedly used, and that supposedly no people died.

Just a throw away remark. Discussing what happened endlessly with everyone still sticking to their belief is surely a waste of time. Im not making any comment on the government or the red shirts or anything here.

I didnt hear those conversations in the rural area I just returned from. I dont hear them in the circles I mix in general. The only places I hear them are from those interested in politics which I would guess is a minority. I do hear about family problems, job loss, money, education, birth, death, lottery winning, gossip, football, music, police and even what government should do (not Songkhran/Thaksin related) a lot more. Guess some of it depends on what people know you like to talk about and politcs isnt top of my list in Thailand with Thai people.

[Koo82]

And regarding "PAD and buses", yup indeed they hijacked one single bus. They didn't even put a dent in it, let alone burn it. If you want to compare something, don't compare a Cessna to a squad of Mig's. And if you have time on hand, you might search older threads from back then, because i wrote back then (when that news bit came up) that i did NOT support that action (hijacking of buses). Still, hijacking ONE bus and hijacking 50 buses and destroying half of them is two pairs of shoes, even YOU should understand that.

PAD was known for having car tires around their protest bases. They built tires up like fences. After I saw the burning of tires on 13th April, I found a photo from internet 3 men rolling tires in http://www.flickr.com/photos/pentax10d/3439394846/

Do they look like the reds at all? I cannot think the reds did that at first. I only can think the fake reds did first, so the real reds followed.

As a nature tendency, if someone comes close to me and acts like he's against the other side, I think he is my side. When the reds saw some fake reds, they thought those were real reds.

I watched the Parliament meeting on 23rd April. One Peua Thai sor sor said he heard of the shooting on 13th April, couldn't think Thai soldiers could do that to weaponless reds, so he drove in the area. He told soldiers to let him go in because he wanted to see what happened, saying he is a sor sor. Soldiers did not let him in. He said there were 40,000 soldiers that day, so many that if Thailand wanted to invade Cambodia, they could do. I don't know how many soldiers were there, but many reds said they could not come close to the reds at Government House. No one let them pass soldier fences far around. Jatupon said he went around to see the scene outside Government House. After a few minutes, he could not go in again. He could talk to other reds by phone only. He wonders why buses can be driven into places having the reds, driven by one person and were burnt.

The hijack of bus is a bad action. Agree with me? Pro-Abhisit tv should have hunt for the news of the reds hijacking buses. But nothing is seen. All I saw on tv was buses being burnt.

Do you have some links to show me how the bus owners reported to local police when and where their buses were hijacked? If you said no report of bus users how the reds got on their buses to hijack and turned them off because the reds stole buses, do you know when and where the reds stole? There must be some photos or videos showing the reds stole buses. Both Thai and foreign media were there. Amateur photographers were plentiful. No photos? No videos?

Edited May 26, 2009 by Koo82

[HagenvonTronje]

OAG schedules the ruling on UDD leaders on 10 June

BANGKOK, 26 May 2009 (NNT) – United Front of Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD) core leaders Jatuporn Prompan and Arisman Pongruangrong reported themselves to police while the prosecutor has scheduled the ruling on 10 June 2009.

Inquiry officials from the Metropolitan Police Headquarters briefed the Criminal Division Director of the Office of the Attorney General (OAG) Kayasit Pisawongprakan, to further prosecute UDD top leaders Jatuporn Prompan and Arisman Pongruangrong. The two Puea Thai Party MPs were charged for assembling more than ten people and provoking turmoil in the country.

The prosecutor had scheduled the ruling for the duo on 10 June 2009 at 9.00 hrs, together with Mr. Veera Musikapong, Mr. Chinawat Haboonpad and seven other core leaders as inquiry officials had earlier submitted the brief yesterday.

Mr. Jatuporn said that he would assign his lawyer to file a letter of complaint to prosecutor on 1 June 2009, claming that the inquiry officials had double standards in conducting cases against UDD, People’s Alliance for Democracy (PAD) and blue shirt protesters.

-- NNT 26 May 2009

article here

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note: seems to be that the charges for violating traffic laws have been dropped.

[Koo82]

1. Din Daeng: The residents had enough of "the idiotic gas tanker situation" (strange way to descibe what could have been a lethal situation) and fought off the reds.

I didn't post about gas tankers since 23rd April because I can't find a photo of the one parked in front of Pullman King Power Hotel.

Watch this video from 2nd minute, you'll hear:

The gas tanker at Din Daeng has plate # 81-9629 from Thanawin Service Company

Address: 38/513 Moo 6 Thasai, Nonthaburi

Owners: Mr. Saengthawi Thanadamrongsak and Ms. Prani Thanadamrongsak.

The other gas tanker first was parked at Sri Ayuthaya Monk Hospital but didn't work, so was moved to Pullman King Power Hotel

Plate number: 96-6747 from Chang Building Service Limited.

Address: 1743 Phahonyothin Rd., Latyao, Chatuchak, Bangkok

Owners: Mr. Saengthawi Thanadamrongsak and Ms. Prani Thanadamrongsak.

The one at Pullman will be seen at 5th minute with 3 security men a few meters away and were in peace, if not joy. No reds at all is seen. Did Pullman report they were in danger of being blown up?

Do you believe the reds hijacked 2 gas tankers of the same owners?

[Koo82]

The gas tanker at Din Daeng has plate # 81-9629 from Thanawin Service Company

3 photos I found from the internet. One with the plate being bent to hide identity. People who knows about gas tankers told the reds via People Channels that gas tankers did not have much gas as they were easily driven and parked. The persons who drove the gas tanker must be specialized. Not anyone can drive gas tankers.

[Thanh-BKK]

<deleted>.

A gas tanker is still a truck. Gas, brake, clutch, gear shifter, steering wheel. Not too different from a pickup or sedan, just bigger. I can drive 'em (but i didn't on that day because i was in Chiang Mai, i've got a ton of witnesses).

You must be specialized to operate the tanker's equipment, but not to DRIVE them.

Regards

Thanh

[slapout]

Yes you are correct about not just anyone can drive a gas tanker or any tractor/trailer for that matter. The individual; needs 2 legs long enough to reach clutch, brake and accelerator, 2 hands (1 to shift and 1 to steer) sense enough to look at shifting sequence displayed, (normally on dash or shifter knob). They may or may not be aware of short turn hazard with the tractor/trailer, backing, and parking procedures. Is this specialized enough for you?

[sriracha john]

Police call for indictment of UDD leaders

Police have recommended that UDD leaders Jatuporn Prompan and Arisman Pongruengrong be charged with inciting public unrest. Metropolitan police yesterday sent the case to the Office of the Attorney-General for its consideration. Jatuporn and Arisman also appeared at the OAG yesterday.

The two men are accused of inciting public disturbances and violating the Executive Decree on Public Administration in Emergency Situations issued on April 12.Police said their alleged offences were committed between March 26, when the United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship began its anti-government rally in front of Government House, and April 14 after the government imposed the state of emergency to quell the red shirt riots.

Arisman also led UDD supporters in the storming of the ASEAN Summit in Pattaya on April 11, causing the meeting to be cancelled and national leaders to be hurriedly evacuated.Public prosecutors will decide on June 10 whether to bring the case to court. The two men have been ordered to appear before the prosecutors to hear their decision.

Continued:

-- Bangkok Post 2009-05-27

[sriracha john]

Former Thai Rak Thai Party MP and current UDD Leader Adisorn Piengkate (in cowboy hat) in 2006

Another UDD leader submits to arrest

BANGKOK, 27 May 2009 (NNT)-United Front of Democracy Against Dictatorship (UDD) core leader Adisorn Piengkate [TRT Banned # 55] has submitted to arrest on charges stemming from his participation in protests during last month's emergency decree.

Investigative officers of the Metropolitan Police led UDD core leader Adisorn Piengkate to the Office of the Attorney-General to press charges against him, including inciting public unrest and violation of the emergency decree.

The OAG has scheduled Adisorn to appear in a hearing along with previously arrested UDD leaders on June 10.

Adisorn stated to the press that, like his fellow UDD chiefs, he would submit a request to the OAG to review his treatment by the police.

-- NNT 2009-05-27

Edited May 27, 2009 by sriracha john

[sriracha john]

Former Thai Rak Thai Party MP and current UDD Leader "Issan Rambo" Suporn Atthawong

Red-Shirt Leader Indicted for Inciting Unrest

A core leader of the red-shirt Democratic Alliance Against Dictatorship was indicted at a Bangkok district court yesterday for violating the emergency decree by instigating unrest last month.

DAAD leader Suporn Atthawong [TRT Banned # 48], a former MP from Nakhon Ratchasima Province, has been charged and released on bail.

Dusit District Court Attorney Surapong Wattanapanich said Suporn will be sent to trial and the court will hear the case at 9 a.m. on July 21st.

-- Tan Network 2009-05-27

[sriracha john]

Former Thai Rak Thai Party MP and current UDD Leader Adisorn Piengkate (in cowboy hat) in 2006

Another UDD leader submits to arrest

BANGKOK, 27 May 2009 (NNT)-United Front of Democracy Against Dictatorship (UDD) core leader Adisorn Piengkate [TRT Banned # 55] has submitted to arrest on charges stemming from his participation in protests during last month's emergency decree.

Adisorn acknowledges indictments

Red Shirt leader Adisorn Piengket Wednesday acknowledged his criminal indictments relating to the Songkran mayhem and threatened to file a counter lawsuit for trumped-up charges.

Adisorn presented himself to public prosecutors following the completion of the police report recommending prosecution for a myriad of offences, such as violating the state of emergency and instigating disturbances.

"Police appear hasty to indict the red shirts by omitting to take statements from the accused, but at the same time have made no headway over the past 183 days in the investigation involving the yellow shirts," Adisorn said.

-- The Nation 2009-05-28

[Ricardo]

Adisorn presented himself to public prosecutors following the completion of the police report recommending prosecution for a myriad of offences, such as violating the state of emergency and instigating disturbances.

"Police appear hasty to indict the red shirts by omitting to take statements from the accused, but at the same time have made no headway over the past 183 days in the investigation involving the yellow shirts," Adisorn said.

-- The Nation 2009-05-28

One wonders whether he is similarly critical, of the even-longer delays in investigation and bringing-to-court, of a certain former-PM now travelling the world as a Nicaraguan diplomat ?

[DaleBlue]

Adisorn presented himself to public prosecutors following the completion of the police report recommending prosecution for a myriad of offences, such as violating the state of emergency and instigating disturbances.

"Police appear hasty to indict the red shirts by omitting to take statements from the accused, but at the same time have made no headway over the past 183 days in the investigation involving the yellow shirts," Adisorn said.

-- The Nation 2009-05-28

One wonders whether he is similarly critical, of the even-longer delays in investigation and bringing-to-court, of a certain former-PM now travelling the world as a Nicaraguan diplomat ?

Who? Please be specific.

[sriracha john]

It's NOT Albaro Robello Konsalez....

Nicaragua's President Daniel Ortega shakes hands with former Thai prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra.

REUTERS

Nicaragua Press Reveals Truth Behind Appointment of Thaksin as "Special Ambassador"

The Spanish language newspaper, El Diario, reported that former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra's appointment as Special Ambassador by Nicaraguan President Daniel Ortega is not the first time the president has appointed someone with judicial problems to be Special Ambassador.

The El Diario said that in October 2008, Ortega appointed Albaro Robello Konsalez , who was accused of defrauding a bank in Spain, as Special Ambassador as well.

[sriracha john]

Red shirts leaders declare on Saturday they will resume rallies at Sanam Luang and extend to other areas.

The Nation / 2009-05-31