Rumor Or True?

[webfact]

Somewhere I read a Thai national can support his foreign father or mother when it is over 20years of age.

This will entitle his mother/father for a 1y extension as well.

My questions

1) does such Immigration law exist?

if yes

2) must a Thai national provide proof to the Immigration of at least 400.000 Baht bank balance or an income of not less then 40K p. month....?

I am serious with my questions in particular question (2).

Thanks

[ubonjoe]

Not a rumor. There is no age limit for being the parent of a child. You still have to meet the income requirements as a parent.

The only age limit in clause 2.18 of the police order is for getting an extension for a child that is not Thai.

[Lite Beer]

These are the extension rules. Look at 2.18

[webfact]

Not a rumor. There is no age limit for being the parent of a child. You still have to meet the income requirements as a parent.

The only age limit in clause 2.18 of the police order is for getting an extension for a child that is not Thai.

Maybe I did not ask my question clear enough.

again: if a Thai national supports HIS foreign father/mother - must this Thai national meet the same requirements as "Foreign father/mother supports Thai child" ?

Thats the very delicate point...

If such law exist, why the supported person then has to show means of income/savings? I thought the person gets support?!

That is actually too much for my old brain...

[Lite Beer]

Not a rumor. There is no age limit for being the parent of a child. You still have to meet the income requirements as a parent.

The only age limit in clause 2.18 of the police order is for getting an extension for a child that is not Thai.

Maybe I did not ask my question clear wnough.

again: if a Thai national supports HIS foreign father/mother - must this Thai national meet the same requirements as "Foreign father/mother supports Thai child" ?

Thats the very delicate point...

The Parent must meet the financial requirements.

Have a look at the link posted earlier.

[webfact]

Not a rumor. There is no age limit for being the parent of a child. You still have to meet the income requirements as a parent.

The only age limit in clause 2.18 of the police order is for getting an extension for a child that is not Thai.

Maybe I did not ask my question clear wnough.

again: if a Thai national supports HIS foreign father/mother - must this Thai national meet the same requirements as "Foreign father/mother supports Thai child" ?

Thats the very delicate point...

The Parent must meet the financial requirements.

a person who receives support... must show he has money to support??? Cant see any logic on that. Support means "you help someone"

I know you do not make the law but can you agree upon there might be something wrong with this law?

[ubonjoe]

The extension is not to support someone it so that a person can live with or be close to their family member.

[opalhort]

Interesting question. I think webfact has been misunderstood judging from some replies.

May I ask his question this way:?

If I have a 20yo THAI son working and living in Thailand can he sponsor my extension of stay without him or me having to show any financial resources? Would I have to be over a certain age to qualify for this option?

Thai children do support their parents so why not also if one parent is a foreigner?

opalhort

[Lite Beer]

Interesting question. I think webfact has been misunderstood judging from some replies.

May I ask his question this way:?

If I have a 20yo THAI son working and living in Thailand can he sponsor my extension of stay without him or me having to show any financial resources? Would I have to be over a certain age to qualify for this option?

Thai children do support their parents so why not also if one parent is a foreigner?

opalhort

There is no provision for an extension of stay based on your example.

[opalhort]

There is no provision for an extension of stay based on your example.

Yes LB I'm aware of that, but under the latest order the Imm officers have been given more leeway to decide on a case by case basis.

Has anybody ever tried it?

My guess is that if they would consider such an application they would probably require the child to provide sufficient proof of income to make sure the foreign parent has no need to work illegally.

opalhort

[Lite Beer]

There is no provision for an extension of stay based on your example.

Yes LB I'm aware of that, but under the latest order the Imm officers have been given more leeway to decide on a case by case basis.

Has anybody ever tried it?

My guess is that if they would consider such an application they would probably require the child to provide sufficient proof of income to make sure the foreign parent has no need to work illegally.

opalhort

Before November 2008 when the rule did actually say that the parent of a Thai Child could stay without any financial backup, there were not many offices actually willing to grant it. I can't see them willing to do it under any discressionary basis.

I cannot see them issuing an Extension on a rule that does not even exist.

Yes Opalhort I know you are aware of the Extension Rules , but any new readers may not be aware.

Maybe the 20 year old Child could give the Parent the money to put in the bank.

[Mario2008]

The latest police order doesn't give the officiers more leeway. In fact there is now an extra barreir you have to take. You know first have to convince a "competent official holding the rank of police inspector or higher" that you are a special case. If he thinks so, the officier can submit your case to the command general.

Never heard of any case being submitted for special consideration.

[Dah fahrang]

I am a 58 year old father of a 26 year old Thai National daughter, who (daughter) was living and working in Thailand at the time I asked the same question of my 'local' immigration office about a year ago. I had a copy of the old National Police Order 606, and showed the paragraph which I believe referred to the law as it then stood.

My wife and the daughter in question presented the same paragraph from the Thai version of the Police Order. Here it is:

7.17 In the case of a family member of a Thai (applicable only to parents, spouse, child, adopted child or child of his/her spouse):

Permission will be granted for a period of not more than 1 year.

and the criteria for awarding this extension:

In the case of a parent, the said person must be 50 years of age or over.

Only for clause (6), there shall be a letter of confirmation from a bank in Thailand and copy of bank book or proof of income of either party or both in the total amount of not less than Baht 40,000 per month, such as personal income tax return with receipt, proof of pension, proof of interest from bank account

deposit or proof of other income.

In other words, NO income requirement for a foreign parent dependent on their Thai kid. Only required for being the male spouse of a Thai.

The Immigration Officer seemed bemused, smirked, dodged the issue, but when pressed, went to refer the question to her superior. The superior said that because the regulation was not clear (ambiguous), and because nobody had ever applied to extend their stay on the basis of being a parent dependent on their child, they would not consider the case. The superior did say she would refer the matter to Bangkok. This she did, as the next time I went to do a 90 day report, she told me that the law would soon be changed and clarified.

This I presume is the latest National Police Order 777, which STILL lacks clarity with the same ambiguous condition, but now, with an added income requirement.

2.18 In the case of a family member of a Thai(applicable only to parents, spouse, child, adopted child or child of his/her spouse):

Permission will be granted for a period of not more than 1 year at a time.

Criteria:

(5) In the case of a parent, one of parents must have an average annual income of not less than 40,000 baht per month or a money deposit of not less than 400,000 baht for expenses within a year.

I believe the OP is correct in his interpretation of the rules.

However, I do not hold out any REAL hope of his, or anybody else being granted an Extension of Stay in the Kingdom based on this rule, because, although the rule exists, it is wide open to misinterpretation from the varying levels of written comprehension (Thai and English) competence, diligence, willingness and helpfulness of the Immigration Department.

In other words, "m'ai dai" which I have come to know really means "m'ai kow jai".

The Immigration Office in my case was Kanchanaburi, and the female officer and her superior spoke fluent English.

[ubonjoe]

Since the new police order came into effect a lot of people have gotten extensions based upon having a child who is Thai. Dropping the over 50 part helped most of them.

The problem with the old police order was that if you had a child married or not you could get the extension without proof of income if you were over 50

If you are married you cannot use the child rule now.

[InterestedObserver]

Foreigners in Thailand are supposed to support themselves, not sponge off Thai society. If you don't have money, to put it bluntly, then you are not welcome.

[webfact]

Interesting question. I think webfact has been misunderstood judging from some replies.

May I ask his question this way:?

If I have a 20yo THAI son working and living in Thailand can he sponsor my extension of stay without him or me having to show any financial resources? Would I have to be over a certain age to qualify for this option?

Thai children do support their parents so why not also if one parent is a foreigner?

opalhort

Thanks Opalhort! I thought as well my question/concern was misunderstood but you have clarified it. Much appreciated.

[opalhort]

Well, it looks like you finally got the info you requested. It appears to be a 'maybe yes - maybe no' situation.

I guess that if the child can provide the required funds for the required period of time deposited in the foreign parent's name this could do the trick.

Thanks webfact for your PM.

opalhort

[Lite Beer]

Thanks Opalhort! I thought as well my question/concern was misunderstood but you have clarified it. Much appreciated.

It was not misunderstood. There is no extension available under the criterior you described.