Red-shirt Tactics

[Plus]

Maybe its just me, but after reading all of that, the only thing I thought was "ummmmm, what?"

You read this stuff?

It usually is very insulting to person's intellegence.

I hope it's not addictive.

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Really, there are SO MANY things wrong in those posts that clarifying them would take a full time job, and I don't think the poster wants to be corrected or continue discussion, there are usually three more posts with even more nonsense on the next day.

[webfact]

Vote today on whether Jatuporn should get immunity

By THE NATION

Published on April 30, 2009

Jatuporn has been avoiding arrest by saying he is immune until the end of the parliamentary session. However, the police have asked House Speaker Chai Chidchob that they be allowed to arrest Jatuporn and that Pheu Thai MPs discuss the issue.

Jatuporn said dared his party MPs not to protect him so he could say the majority of the MPs were using double standards.

So far, the House has not discussed what would happen if the Democrats, including MP Somkiat Pongpaiboon, Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva and Deputy Prime Minister Suthep Thaugsuban were to face charges, he said.

"I won't ask the opposition MPs to vote for me. If the vote result means I cannot use the immunity, I will turn myself in. I can use my position as an MP to bail myself out," he said.

Jatuporn said the red-shirt rally planned next week would be constitutional and peaceful, that there would be no mobilisation or provocation - all of which are conditions set for the protest leaders' bail.

However, he said, the People's Alliance for Democracy were allowed to get back on stage even when their leaders were out on bail, so the police would need to clarify its standards.

Meanwhile, Somkiat said the Democrats had on Tuesday agreed to let each MP decide whether Jatuporn should be allowed to use immunity.

He said Jatuporn should be responsible for his own movements instead of having the Parliament make the decision. After all, he is being charged for what he did outside the Parliament, which was clearly aimed at toppling the government, he added.

"Jatuporn doesn't need to use me as an example. It all depends on a person's conscience and sense of responsibility, especially when that person is honourable. I have faced criminal charges before so I understand that it was my personal responsibility when I was leader of the People's Alliance for Democracy. When I faced the charges, I was ready to defend myself and did not ask for parliamentary immunity," Somkiat said.

The Democrat MP was co-leader of the anti-Thaksin Shinawatra movement.

[hammered]

Vote today on whether Jatuporn should get immunity

By THE NATION

Published on April 30, 2009

Jatuporn has been avoiding arrest by saying he is immune until the end of the parliamentary session. However, the police have asked House Speaker Chai Chidchob that they be allowed to arrest Jatuporn and that Pheu Thai MPs discuss the issue.

Jatuporn said dared his party MPs not to protect him so he could say the majority of the MPs were using double standards.

So far, the House has not discussed what would happen if the Democrats, including MP Somkiat Pongpaiboon, Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva and Deputy Prime Minister Suthep Thaugsuban were to face charges, he said.

"I won't ask the opposition MPs to vote for me. If the vote result means I cannot use the immunity, I will turn myself in. I can use my position as an MP to bail myself out," he said.

Jatuporn said the red-shirt rally planned next week would be constitutional and peaceful, that there would be no mobilisation or provocation - all of which are conditions set for the protest leaders' bail.

However, he said, the People's Alliance for Democracy were allowed to get back on stage even when their leaders were out on bail, so the police would need to clarify its standards.

Meanwhile, Somkiat said the Democrats had on Tuesday agreed to let each MP decide whether Jatuporn should be allowed to use immunity.

He said Jatuporn should be responsible for his own movements instead of having the Parliament make the decision. After all, he is being charged for what he did outside the Parliament, which was clearly aimed at toppling the government, he added.

"Jatuporn doesn't need to use me as an example. It all depends on a person's conscience and sense of responsibility, especially when that person is honourable. I have faced criminal charges before so I understand that it was my personal responsibility when I was leader of the People's Alliance for Democracy. When I faced the charges, I was ready to defend myself and did not ask for parliamentary immunity," Somkiat said.

The Democrat MP was co-leader of the anti-Thaksin Shinawatra movement.

So we have to discuss the theoretical rather than the actual in the world of Jatuporn.

This is a clear PR event aimed at getting as much media coverage as possible, which is fine. The reds are suffering because of their riot and they desperately need to reset the debate, so every opportuntiy to spread their spin is taken or set up with glee.

Ho hum

[HagenvonTronje]

Government says Thaksin broke the law during his broadcasts

Monitoring of former premier Thaksin Shinawatra's phone and video broadcasts to his supporters in Thailand shows he has broken law on 16 occasions, Prime Minister's spokesman Thepthai Senpong said Wednesday.

Mr Thepthai accused Thaksin of defaming the government several times and of telling lies, like saying that he was not behind the red-shirt movement.

...

http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/politics/1...s-laws-16-times

maybe there have been a couple of hyperboles about the government in his speeches, need really such silly reasons as another he brokes the law case against thaksin? free speech? no, not under Abhisit.

how he can break here what law by telling lies? in these phone ins, on the red shirty rallies he spokes to red shirters and if he was telling lies, then was it telling lies to the red shirts?, right? lying to them by telling them "i am not behind the red shirt movement"???? or if he had said " fellows, it's late now in tuvalu, i am tired, bye, bye" and then go to beach party - is this a lie and a a law is broken?

[Cayenne]

Really, there are SO MANY things wrong in those posts that clarifying them would take a full time job, and I don't think the poster wants to be corrected or continue discussion, there are usually three more posts with even more nonsense on the next day.

Don't we find it odd that we are always in a position of having to put forward logical arguments against illogical posts day after day whereas these posters have yet to put forward any logical arguments to back their statements but spout out more nonsense the next day.

[phupaman]

Hi All.

Can anyone tell me , Did Jatuporn get the vote for his immunity, or Did he give himself up like he said,or did he do another runner. phupaman

[animatic]

Here are a few more photoshopped pictures...this time Arisman has been added.

Koo82 should be able to explain well why her democracy is in communist uniform

Oh, our poor Comrades Lament that are not in power.

1964 redux

[sriracha john]

Din Daeng and Nang Lerng dwellers will not forget their day of danger

In the early morning of the first day of Songkran, Din Daeng flat residents woke up to fear, with two liquefied-petroleum-gas trucks parked closed to their homes.

For fear of an explosion, they were told to get out, but they decided to stay and tried desperately negotiating with the red shirts.

They failed, so they sent a group of men with sticks to chase the red shirts away, and the clashes ended up with the protesters outnumbered by residents and soldiers, who fired live ammunition in the air and charged them with shields and batons.

In the evening of the same day, Nang Lerng residents faced a similar fate. The red shirts parked two buses near Nang Lerng market. For fear that the buses would be set on fire and their houses burnt, about a hundred Nang Lerng residents went into the street and pushed the buses away.

Later that day, two Nang Lerng residents were shot dead, and about 50 people were injured.

"How could we go anywhere? We've no other homes and no cars. And what about the old folk that can't even walk?" said Kaesorn Panharn, a Din Daeng resident.

Deciding not to leave, they got together and tried to think of a plan to save their homes.

"There hadn't been that much agreement for years," said another resident, who asked to remain anonymous.

Din Daeng residents have been wrangling over how to improve the flats since 2000 and were split into four interest groups. Fright brought them together again. At Nang Lerng they weren't prepared to see their homes destroyed either.

"We were born here and live here, and we'll die here. We certainly weren't going to let our homes be burnt down," said 60-year-old Veerasak Wongwanit.

"Everyone was afraid of a blaze, so no one hesitated to give a hand pushing the buses away, even the elderly," said sexagenarian Ladda Phonsiri.

She told Pom Phonpuapan, 53, not to worry about his own safety and to look for children who were outside and tell them to get indoors. He was shot dead.

Although two weeks have passed, the emergency decree has been lifted, and things seem back to normal, with most Bangkokians going about their everyday business, Nang Lerng and Din Dang nurse their fear.

Ten of the injured are still in hospital. The incident has become the stuff of legend, and Nang Lerng in the evening is quieter than usual.

In Din Daeng, the sound of a big vehicle passing the flats gets people as if by accident out of the room to see if there is a gas truck parked in front.

"We still panic for no reason. We don't know what we're afraid of, but we know we could have been homeless that day," said Ladda.

Nang Lerng residents have set up a group of volunteers to provide security at night along with the military police who patrol the area. Parents, unreasonably, demand their children get back home early, Ladda said.

Veerasak, who was in the student demonstration on October 16, 1973, said: "Nang Lerng is historic. It's like a 60-year-old man that has witnessed coups and upheavals."

Nang Lerng is adjacent to Ratchadamnoen Avenue and close to many important state offices, including Government House.

In contrast with the unity of Nang Lerng residents, the rapport at Din Daeng has proved transitory. The deep divisions among the residents continue.

"Instinct tells us we should organise things together, but as the crisis dies down, back come the rifts," one resident said.

-- The Nation 2009-05-03

[dbrenn]

-- The Nation 2009-05-03

I would believe all this word for word, except that it came from the Nation - an outfit that makes so many grammatical errors in its website version, that its articles look like they have been written by a small child. So much for quality reporting. If it can't afford to hire a proof reader, or journalists that can spell its chosen language, then how should we rate the reliability of its content? The sensationalist rhetoric, the strident accusations and the silly propaganda make it look like one of those UK tabloids. It's yellow stance had something to do with missing out on advertising contracts, as I recall.

Even the Bangkok Post is doing a better job at presenting both sides of the argument these days - it even dared to make mention of 'Abhisit's military handlers' in one recent article. Expect it to be shut down by a yellow mob and annexed by the Nation in the near future.

[animatic]

The Caravan of The Poor, UDD, DAAD and other Red aligned groups

are the only ones who have tried to shut down papers.

Well that should include TRT and Thaksin while in office too.

[dbrenn]

The Caravan of The Poor, UDD, DAAD and other Red aligned groups

are the only ones who have tried to shut down papers.

Well that should include TRT and Thaksin while in office too.

Eh? Are you saying that only newspapers count as media? What about radio staions? Don't forget to add the yellow lot to your list.

[animatic]

The Caravan of The Poor, UDD, DAAD and other Red aligned groups

are the only ones who have tried to shut down papers.

Well that should include TRT and Thaksin while in office too.

Eh? Are you saying that only newspapers count as media? What about radio staions? Don't forget to add the yellow lot to your list.

Tell that to the Yellow sympathetic Chaing Mai radio announcer who's father was killed on video by redshirts....

Many, if not most, of those red aligned country radio stations

are unlicensed and are subject to government control.

Fomenting insurection via radio and internet is no less deplorable than via newspapers.

The only time a red radio station was actively hassled by yellows was the Bangkok Taxi radio station,

that was actively encouraging violent attacks on the yellow on a hourly basis.

This was during the week of night time grenades into the gov. House parking lot, killing people.

But yellows never actual tried to over run or shut it down. Only a glancing blow on the way to the airport.

I still believe the regular red attacks over 2 years or so caused the militarization of PAD,

and then ending in the airport take over. If the reds had used dialog and not violence

this all would have taken a MUCH different course. Which for me is why the reds can NEVER be supported.

I can not contenance a group that resorts to regular intimidating street and guerrilla violence as viable leadership for a nation.

[webfact]

The Caravan of The Poor, UDD, DAAD and other Red aligned groups

are the only ones who have tried to shut down papers.

Well that should include TRT and Thaksin while in office too.

Eh? Are you saying that only newspapers count as media? What about radio staions? Don't forget to add the yellow lot to your list.

Tell that to the Yellow sympathetic Chaing Mai radio announcer who's father was killed on video by redshirts....

Many, if not most, of those red aligned country radio stations

are unlicensed and are subject to government control.

Fomenting insurection via radio and internet is no less deplorable than via newspapers.

The only time a red radio station was actively hassled by yellows was the Bangkok Taxi radio station,

that was actively encouraging violent attacks on the yellow on a hourly basis.

This was during the week of night time grenades into the gov. House parking lot, killing people.

But yellows never actual tried to over run or shut it down. Only a glancing blow on the way to the airport.

I still believe the regular red attacks over 2 years or so caused the militarization of PAD,

and then ending in the airport take over. If the reds had used dialog and not violence

this all would have taken a MUCH different course. Which for me is why the reds can NEVER be supported.

I can not contenance a group that resorts to regular intimidating street and guerrilla violence as viable leadership for a nation.

Well said!!!

[dbrenn]

Tell that to the Yellow sympathetic Chaing Mai radio announcer who's father was killed on video by redshirts....

Many, if not most, of those red aligned country radio stations

are unlicensed and are subject to government control.

Fomenting insurection via radio and internet is no less deplorable than via newspapers.

The only time a red radio station was actively hassled by yellows was the Bangkok Taxi radio station,

that was actively encouraging violent attacks on the yellow on a hourly basis.

This was during the week of night time grenades into the gov. House parking lot, killing people.

But yellows never actual tried to over run or shut it down. Only a glancing blow on the way to the airport.

I still believe the regular red attacks over 2 years or so caused the militarization of PAD,

and then ending in the airport take over. If the reds had used dialog and not violence

this all would have taken a MUCH different course. Which for me is why the reds can NEVER be supported.

I can not contenance a group that resorts to regular intimidating street and guerrilla violence as viable leadership for a nation.

What's all this about the reds starting all this? Look at the chronology - the reds got elected at the ballot box, then the yellows started all this street protest chaos, the yellows blockaded parliament, the yellows closed down the airport, and the yellows brought along guns and used them. There was also that incident, presumably yellow sponsored, when the yellows trid to blow up Thaksin's car. It's a joke to suggest that just one side was at fault - they were both as guilty as each other.

The red backlash, which was just as disgraceful, did come at a later date. To say anything else is propaganda and completely disregards the facts regards the timing of all this chaos. If you abhor violence as much as you claim to, then why do you support the yellows?

[sriracha john]

blow up Thaksin's car. It's a joke

I think you mistakenly inserted a period in your text as the balderdash that was Thaksin's assassination attempt was, indeed, a laughable joke.

Thaksin meeting earlier this year in Hong Kong with General Pallop, who was accused of doing it, is confirmation of that nonsense.

[ThNiner]

The Caravan of The Poor, UDD, DAAD and other Red aligned groups

are the only ones who have tried to shut down papers.

Well that should include TRT and Thaksin while in office too.

Eh? Are you saying that only newspapers count as media? What about radio staions? Don't forget to add the yellow lot to your list.

Tell that to the Yellow sympathetic Chaing Mai radio announcer who's father was killed on video by redshirts....

Many, if not most, of those red aligned country radio stations

are unlicensed and are subject to government control.

Fomenting insurection via radio and internet is no less deplorable than via newspapers.

The only time a red radio station was actively hassled by yellows was the Bangkok Taxi radio station,

that was actively encouraging violent attacks on the yellow on a hourly basis.

This was during the week of night time grenades into the gov. House parking lot, killing people.

But yellows never actual tried to over run or shut it down. Only a glancing blow on the way to the airport.

I still believe the regular red attacks over 2 years or so caused the militarization of PAD,

and then ending in the airport take over. If the reds had used dialog and not violence

this all would have taken a MUCH different course. Which for me is why the reds can NEVER be supported.

I can not contenance a group that resorts to regular intimidating street and guerrilla violence as viable leadership for a nation.

Well said!!!

Agreed. :D

[animatic]

Tell that to the Yellow sympathetic Chaing Mai radio announcer who's father was killed on video by redshirts....

Many, if not most, of those red aligned country radio stations

are unlicensed and are subject to government control.

Fomenting insurection via radio and internet is no less deplorable than via newspapers.

The only time a red radio station was actively hassled by yellows was the Bangkok Taxi radio station,

that was actively encouraging violent attacks on the yellow on a hourly basis.

This was during the week of night time grenades into the gov. House parking lot, killing people.

But yellows never actual tried to over run or shut it down. Only a glancing blow on the way to the airport.

I still believe the regular red attacks over 2 years or so caused the militarization of PAD,

and then ending in the airport take over. If the reds had used dialog and not violence

this all would have taken a MUCH different course. Which for me is why the reds can NEVER be supported.

I can not contenance a group that resorts to regular intimidating street and guerrilla violence as viable leadership for a nation.

What's all this about the reds starting all this? Look at the chronology - the reds got elected at the ballot box, then the yellows started all this street protest chaos, the yellows blockaded parliament, the yellows closed down the airport, and the yellows brought along guns and used them. There was also that incident, presumably yellow sponsored, when the yellows trid to blow up Thaksin's car. It's a joke to suggest that just one side was at fault - they were both as guilty as each other.

The red backlash, which was just as disgraceful, did come at a later date. To say anything else is propaganda and completely disregards the facts regards the timing of all this chaos. If you abhor violence as much as you claim to, then why do you support the yellows?

The REDS never got elected at the ballot box,

PTP NEVER got elected at the ballot box.

PPP did, just barely, win election, not by any resounding plurality...,

and the PPP created DAAD and UDD as a street arm to counter peaceful PAD protests,

and try and drive an annoying watch dog group into silence.

PAD was bring public attention to malfeasences in ofgfice of the TRT and PPP,

and Thaksin, as long as people arwe LOOKING CLOSE, you can't get away with as much.

From TRT PPP point of view PAD had tro be silenced.

Since that HAD been successful using violence in the North such as Udon to run off and silence PAD speakers,

they used that same modus operandi in Bangkok, and we have seen who well THAT strategy and tactics worked out.

Piss-poor actually.

As is more that sadly typical PPP/Red directors misjudged PAD willpower. I saw the REDS violently provoking the PAD.

I repeat; being anti-Red, for MANY great and logical reasons, does NOT automatically mean all Yellow actions are supported.

Let alone a total yellow platform for a government.

But it DOES mean that the great majority of Red actions have been examples of deplorable public conduct.

And that DOES make the Red side in-eligible for running the nation.

I want the Reds to go away,

but that doesn't mean Yellows or Blues replace them.

Those are not the only alternatives available.

Edited May 4, 2009 by animatic

[jayboy]

blow up Thaksin's car. It's a joke

I think you mistakenly inserted a period in your text as the balderdash that was Thaksin's assassination attempt was, indeed, a laughable joke.

Thaksin meeting earlier this year in Hong Kong with General Pallop, who was accused of doing it, is confirmation of that nonsense.

Actually it's no such thing.Pallop had a motive.The fact that he subsequently mat the Great Satan in HK is neither here nor there.

[animatic]

blow up Thaksin's car. It's a joke

I think you mistakenly inserted a period in your text as the balderdash that was Thaksin's assassination attempt was, indeed, a laughable joke.

Thaksin meeting earlier this year in Hong Kong with General Pallop, who was accused of doing it, is confirmation of that nonsense.

Actually it's no such thing.Pallop had a motive.The fact that he subsequently mat the Great Satan in HK is neither here nor there.

Method...

Someone under his command is given and order to drive a car to point A.

Then hs is pointed out to have a rather amatureish designed bobm in the car.

Guy acts totally befuddled.

Motive...

rather minor for a disciplined man.

And that theory utterly dispelled by future events.

Opportunity...

was just one fool in a car he borrowed or was told to drive to point A.

Poor SOB was set up and nothing much has EVER been heard about him ever since....

Parking on one of two roads Thaksin MIGHT take on any given day

is not a well thought plan for a military mind, blowing up a pawn via radio

on the chance they get Thaksin in a drive by is NOT thew work of a trained militasry mind.

It does work as a PR excercise,

by a despot looking to score interntational points

and set the stage for HIS PREMPTIVE OWN COUP d'Etat... of the militaries control mechanisms.

Which was cut off at the past by the military cutting off his access to his well place allies.

As plausible as most theories thrown around TVF...

[chrislarsson]

The Caravan of The Poor, UDD, DAAD and other Red aligned groups

are the only ones who have tried to shut down papers.

Well that should include TRT and Thaksin while in office too.

Eh? Are you saying that only newspapers count as media? What about radio staions? Don't forget to add the yellow lot to your list.

Tell that to the Yellow sympathetic Chaing Mai radio announcer who's father was killed on video by redshirts....

Many, if not most, of those red aligned country radio stations

are unlicensed and are subject to government control.

Fomenting insurection via radio and internet is no less deplorable than via newspapers.

The only time a red radio station was actively hassled by yellows was the Bangkok Taxi radio station,

that was actively encouraging violent attacks on the yellow on a hourly basis.

This was during the week of night time grenades into the gov. House parking lot, killing people.

But yellows never actual tried to over run or shut it down. Only a glancing blow on the way to the airport.

I still believe the regular red attacks over 2 years or so caused the militarization of PAD,

and then ending in the airport take over. If the reds had used dialog and not violence

this all would have taken a MUCH different course. Which for me is why the reds can NEVER be supported.

I can not contenance a group that resorts to regular intimidating street and guerrilla violence as viable leadership for a nation.

What regular red attacks are u talking about happening before last fall? I thought it was the reds militarization was caused by the yellows militarization. Is this some kind of Orwellian double-speak?

[chrislarsson]

Government says Thaksin broke the law during his broadcasts

Monitoring of former premier Thaksin Shinawatra's phone and video broadcasts to his supporters in Thailand shows he has broken law on 16 occasions, Prime Minister's spokesman Thepthai Senpong said Wednesday.

Mr Thepthai accused Thaksin of defaming the government several times and of telling lies, like saying that he was not behind the red-shirt movement.

He also rejected red-shirt leader Jatuporn Prompan's claim the Democrat party intends to amend the constitution to grant amnesty to banned politicians because it fears dissolution in the near future.

Continued:

-- Bangkok Post 2009-04-29

Did he really tell the reds he is not supporting them? And he hurt the feelings of the government as well. Wow...that sounds like a terrible crime.

[sriracha john]

blow up Thaksin's car. It's a joke

I think you mistakenly inserted a period in your text as the balderdash that was Thaksin's assassination attempt was, indeed, a laughable joke.

Thaksin meeting earlier this year in Hong Kong with General Pallop, who was accused of doing it, is confirmation of that nonsense.

Actually it's no such thing.Pallop had a motive.The fact that he subsequently mat the Great Satan in HK is neither here nor there.

Sure, it was nonsense. It was a comedy sketch... and Pallop had the best line

Sacked Internal Security Operation Command Deputy Director Pallop Pinmanee denied being behind the alleged assassination plot against caretaker Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra, saying, "You know me. If I was behind it, I would not have missed."

August 25, 2006

And while he likes compare himself to Nelson Mandela, Aung San Suu Kyi, and Gandhi... to elevate Thaksin to Pope John Paul II status, who met later with his own would-be assassin Memet Ali Agca, is a bit much to stomach.

Edited May 4, 2009 by sriracha john

[animatic]

blow up Thaksin's car. It's a joke

I think you mistakenly inserted a period in your text as the balderdash that was Thaksin's assassination attempt was, indeed, a laughable joke.

Thaksin meeting earlier this year in Hong Kong with General Pallop, who was accused of doing it, is confirmation of that nonsense.

Sure, it was nonsense. It was a comedy sketch... and Pallop had the best line

Sacked Internal Security Operation Command Deputy Director Pallop Pinmanee denied being behind the alleged assassination plot against caretaker Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra, saying, "You know me. If I was behind it, I would not have missed."

August 25, 2006

And while he likes compare himself to Nelson Mandela, Aung San Suu Kyi, and Gandhi... to elevate Thaksin to Pope John Paul II status, who met later with his own would-be assassin Memet Ali Agca, is a bit much to stomach.

This 'assassination plot was nothing more than Thaksin inspired Street Theater.

Yes, this was a great line and sums the whole charade up so well.

Pallop Pinmanee....

"You know me. If I was behind it, I would not have missed."

[dbrenn]

This 'assassination plot was nothing more than Thaksin inspired Street Theater.

Yes, this was a great line and sums the whole charade up so well.

You don't know that. Maybe it was street theatre, or maybe they did want to rub him out. Neither is unusual -- street theatre / people getting rubbed out -- in a place like Thailand. Happens all the time. A reasonable person would say that the yellows had a motive, but yes, there was a chance that it was street theatre. Granted. Politicians do that kind of thing. I could turn your argument around to say that Sonthi was doing street theatre of his own, but it all went dreadfully wrong because they mistakenly used live rounds instead of blanks, or something equally as ridiculous, but who could prove either of us wrong on that one. Nobody, because all the evidence is hearsay - it won't stand scrutiny. Even if Thaksin met Pallop in HK, even that would not be beyond the realms of belief in the wonderful realm of Thai politics.

But there are things that you can't refute, that are not hearsay, simply because they are facts with myriad witnesses from both sides, that were reported on both sides with no variations. I am sure that you will go off on another tangential tirade iin your strange writing style, which reads like Tom Peters on LSD, to try to throw up another smoke screen. Try as you might, you can't invent lies that materially change established facts like:

1) the order in which events happened, and the fact that the yellow lot were the first to take to the streets, setting the precedent for mob rule and leading to the tearing down of a fledgling (albeit imperfect) democracy, but nonetheless a democracy, that was setting Thailand as a serious player on the world stage. Now, Thailand is a laughing stock

2) the fact that Abhisit colluded with a known ex TRT/PPP Godfather to get into power, while claiming to be our moral guardian. Abhisit relied on someone who had been banned from politics, one of his sworn enemies, to get him into power

3) the fact that Thaksin was elected, and Abhisit came to power only by a sustained military and judicial interference. Even after all that, he still needed to go to a TRT Godfather to get him over the line (see item 2 above)

4) That the custodians of democracy in the yellow shirts, publicly declare that their aim is to dilute the popular vote, effectively perpetuating their rule and seeting the scene for them, and their faithful, to choose who runs Thailand, indefinitely

I'll bet you believe that there are microphones placed all around your house by spies, and that your television tranmits coded messages via ESP straight from your masters in the yellow room

I see that there are no readers left, so I will leave you to rant here all by yourself for a while

[hammered]

This 'assassination plot was nothing more than Thaksin inspired Street Theater.

Yes, this was a great line and sums the whole charade up so well.

You don't know that. Maybe it was street theatre, or maybe they did want to rub him out. Neither is unusual -- street theatre / people getting rubbed out -- in a place like Thailand. Happens all the time. A reasonable person would say that the yellows had a motive, but yes, there was a chance that it was street theatre. Granted. Politicians do that kind of thing. I could turn your argument around to say that Sonthi was doing street theatre of his own, but it all went dreadfully wrong because they mistakenly used live rounds instead of blanks, or something equally as ridiculous, but who could prove either of us wrong on that one. Nobody, because all the evidence is hearsay - it won't stand scrutiny. Even if Thaksin met Pallop in HK, even that would not be beyond the realms of belief in the wonderful realm of Thai politics.

But there are things that you can't refute, that are not hearsay, simply because they are facts with myriad witnesses from both sides, that were reported on both sides with no variations. I am sure that you will go off on another tangential tirade iin your strange writing style, which reads like Tom Peters on LSD, to try to throw up another smoke screen. Try as you might, you can't invent lies that materially change established facts like:

1) the order in which events happened, and the fact that the yellow lot were the first to take to the streets, setting the precedent for mob rule and leading to the tearing down of a fledgling (albeit imperfect) democracy, but nonetheless a democracy, that was setting Thailand as a serious player on the world stage. Now, Thailand is a laughing stock

2) the fact that Abhisit colluded with a known ex TRT/PPP Godfather to get into power, while claiming to be our moral guardian. Abhisit relied on someone who had been banned from politics, one of his sworn enemies, to get him into power

3) the fact that Thaksin was elected, and Abhisit came to power only by a sustained military and judicial interference. Even after all that, he still needed to go to a TRT Godfather to get him over the line (see item 2 above)

4) That the custodians of democracy in the yellow shirts, publicly declare that their aim is to dilute the popular vote, effectively perpetuating their rule and seeting the scene for them, and their faithful, to choose who runs Thailand, indefinitely

I'll bet you believe that there are microphones placed all around your house by spies, and that your television tranmits coded messages via ESP straight from your masters in the yellow room

I see that there are no readers left, so I will leave you to rant here all by yourself for a while

In many ways the country is where it is and anlysing why it got there is so divisive that it probbaly leads nowhere. The problem now is how to move forward without violence and create a situation and set of rules that a majority on all sides can accept - it is not necesasary to get every person to agree but all sides and there are more than two must to some degree buy into the rules of the game. Then the game can come to conclusion. Right now that is what is missing and if it cant be reintroduced then law of the jungle will likely prevail.