Govt Using All Means To Corner Thaksin

[HagenvonTronje]

They seek him here

they seek him there

those PAD pupets seek him everywhere

Is he in heaven

or is he in hel_l

That damned elusive Thaksin... kin'ell

Be a shame to catch him now as they may have to do something about he economy next!

The present economic problems are global, nothing the democrats or any other Thai party can fix or even dream influence.

The country is on the brink of civil war, that's where priorities are, getting rid of the criminal element and Thaksin zombies infesting parliament, the police and all levels of government and society.

first you must get hold of thaksin. catch him, the moment we all are waiting for, but the the government or Foreign Ministery failed to deliver so far.

and then you can get try to get rid of the them. and this is a thread about how the Abhisit government try to get him, how they work so hart, with all means and without sucesss.

[selftaopath]

The government is closely monitoring Jakrapob Penkair's movements, though his whereabouts are still unknown, Panich said. The Immigration Bureau has no records on Jakrapob's departure, he said.

Some think the title: Land of Smiles comes from the understanding of a joke. What could the joke be?

[DaleBlue]

What do they accuse Khun Thaksin of? To stimulate the reds causing traffic jam at Din Daeng? What about those who stimulated PAD to block airports for a week? They didn't just stimulate. They were inside airports too. They are still free if I'm not wrong.

Khun Thaksin and the close of Asean Summit in Pattaya? What about those who sent the blues there to attack the reds? If not attack, what did the blues do there? To welcome the reds?

I don't know who attacked who.

However, from this picture, I can only see the BLUE holding weapons. I cannot see any RED holding any weapons at all.

[hammered]

What do they accuse Khun Thaksin of? To stimulate the reds causing traffic jam at Din Daeng? What about those who stimulated PAD to block airports for a week? They didn't just stimulate. They were inside airports too. They are still free if I'm not wrong.

Khun Thaksin and the close of Asean Summit in Pattaya? What about those who sent the blues there to attack the reds? If not attack, what did the blues do there? To welcome the reds?

I don't know who attacked who.

However, from this picture, I can only see the BLUE holding weapons. I cannot see any RED holding any weapons at all.

If you want to indulge in a you tube extravaganza you can find red, yellow and blue all tooled up. Truth is they all have used violence although to date driving LPG trucks into residential neighbourhoods and threatening to blow them up probbaly takes the gold medal although a few murders deserve special mention. Dont think team blue have reaced that level yet though. Hopefully things will move into parliament and negotiations rather than street battles now.

You can probably also find vids of orcinary Bangkok residents tooled up too after the riot.

[jayboy]

They seek him here

they seek him there

those PAD pupets seek him everywhere

Is he in heaven

or is he in hel_l

That damned elusive Thaksin... kin'ell

Be a shame to catch him now as they may have to do something about he economy next!

The present economic problems are global, nothing the democrats or any other Thai party can fix or even dream influence.

The country is on the brink of civil war, that's where priorities are, getting rid of the criminal element and Thaksin zombies infesting parliament, the police and all levels of government and society.

There are of course global economic difficulties but the point is these have highlighted the particular weaknesses of the Thai economy, notably its excessive reliance on export manafacturing, its lack of genuine entrepreneurship - specifically the rentier nature of many of its large corporations.These are structural issues largely independent of the world economic crisis.

I share your wish that getting rid of the criminal element in Thailand would be a good thing.However if you believe the kindergarten view this is confined to "Thaksin zombies" you are sadly and naively mistaken.There are large scummy and exploitative elements in Thai society which predate Thaksin and will no doubt remain after he is long forgotten.For change to happen there would have to be a massive cultural shift probably led from the top recognising the disgusting inequalities in Thai society, stamping hard on incipient yellow fascism, red demagoguery and feudal reaction.So far no sign of a suitable leader.

[Lost in LOS]

pretty easy to find where he is. follow his friends leaving from thailand to go meet him........duh

[hammered]

They seek him here

they seek him there

those PAD pupets seek him everywhere

Is he in heaven

or is he in hel_l

That damned elusive Thaksin... kin'ell

Be a shame to catch him now as they may have to do something about he economy next!

The present economic problems are global, nothing the democrats or any other Thai party can fix or even dream influence.

The country is on the brink of civil war, that's where priorities are, getting rid of the criminal element and Thaksin zombies infesting parliament, the police and all levels of government and society.

There are of course global economic difficulties but the point is these have highlighted the particular weaknesses of the Thai economy, notably its excessive reliance on export manafacturing, its lack of genuine entrepreneurship - specifically the rentier nature of many of its large corporations.These are structural issues largely independent of the world economic crisis.

I share your wish that getting rid of the criminal element in Thailand would be a good thing.However if you believe the kindergarten view this is confined to "Thaksin zombies" you are sadly and naively mistaken.There are large scummy and exploitative elements in Thai society which predate Thaksin and will no doubt remain after he is long forgotten.For change to happen there would have to be a massive cultural shift probably led from the top recognising the disgusting inequalities in Thai society, stamping hard on incipient yellow fascism, red demagoguery and feudal reaction.So far no sign of a suitable leader.

Its either evolutionary readjustements that all can live with now, which it looks like Abhisit is trying or face the possibility of a Chavez style figure in the future and not some faux socialist like Thaksin or one of the almost comedic aging guys in jungle fatigues and red stars.

[slapout]

To catch a varmint you have to have a good bait, place trap in area traveled/visited by subject, camouflage the trap, and be patient. The alternative could be a hunting party, fitted out with hounds and the where with all to handle the varmint once you get him cornered.

[DaleBlue]

If you want to indulge in a you tube extravaganza you can find red, yellow and blue all tooled up. Truth is they all have used violence although to date driving LPG trucks into residential neighbourhoods and threatening to blow them up probbaly takes the gold medal although a few murders deserve special mention. Dont think team blue have reaced that level yet though. Hopefully things will move into parliament and negotiations rather than street battles now.

You can probably also find vids of orcinary Bangkok residents tooled up too after the riot.

At the moment there is no absloute proof if the LPG truck driver is RED, YELLOW or BLUE. I can't believe that they have not managed to arrest him yet. Once he is arrested, the police can take a blook sample of this guy to proof once and for all, if the blood of this driver is really RED, YELLOW or BLUE. This will be a proof beyond doubt.

[slapout]

Might want to start with ownership of the company/family who owns the LPG truck. One poster mentioned this during the initial placement of the truck/trucks, do not know if this was real knowledge or someone talking out their a.s.

[hammered]

If you want to indulge in a you tube extravaganza you can find red, yellow and blue all tooled up. Truth is they all have used violence although to date driving LPG trucks into residential neighbourhoods and threatening to blow them up probbaly takes the gold medal although a few murders deserve special mention. Dont think team blue have reaced that level yet though. Hopefully things will move into parliament and negotiations rather than street battles now.

You can probably also find vids of orcinary Bangkok residents tooled up too after the riot.

At the moment there is no absloute proof if the LPG truck driver is RED, YELLOW or BLUE. I can't believe that they have not managed to arrest him yet. Once he is arrested, the police can take a blook sample of this guy to proof once and for all, if the blood of this driver is really RED, YELLOW or BLUE. This will be a proof beyond doubt.

Go talk to the residents down Din Daeng they are very clear on it. Some of the residents are also not exactly unsympathetic to the reds I should say were. There is an attempt to spin a tactical miscalculation into something else right now.

The drunken driver and the other reds were chased away by the residents not the soldiers so not too surprising he wasnt arrested. Im sure the owner of the company that the several LPG trucks were from can let the authorites know the name and address of the drivers.

[jayboy]

Its either evolutionary readjustements that all can live with now, which it looks like Abhisit is trying or face the possibility of a Chavez style figure in the future and not some faux socialist like Thaksin or one of the almost comedic aging guys in jungle fatigues and red stars.

Well I agree it's best for the country to stick with Abhisit for the time being.I also definitely agree Thailand can do without a Chavez type figure although if the sheer stupidity and selfishness of the elite continues that's exactly what we might get.What Abhisit has to demonstrate is that he's his own man and can face down opposition from his own side.His positions on evenhandedness towards offending red and yellow leaders, amnesty and reform of the regressive 2007 consitution are promising.It would be encouraging if he brought the military criminals to book not perhaps the traitors who launched the coup (I'm trying to be a realist!) but certainly those responsible for Krue Se and Tak Bai.Actually I seem to remember the Attorney General has only recently let the military murderers at Krue Se off the hook - so not too hopeful on that point.

Personally I don't think evolution alone will do the trick, but "events" will be the catalyst for change.

[HagenvonTronje]

At the moment there is no absloute proof if the LPG truck driver is RED, YELLOW or BLUE. I can't believe that they have not managed to arrest him yet. Once he is arrested, the police can take a blook sample of this guy to proof once and for all, if the blood of this driver is really RED, YELLOW or BLUE. This will be a proof beyond doubt.

exactly! and street riots? haven't there been any? and the reds shirts and the buses, or is it just the busses? some burning, who stet them on fire. there are thousands of pics of yellow mob street fight action, how they destroy property, steal police equipment, bruning down motobikes of residents, shoting at them - all in bangkok. so whts about red shirts in the aftermath blah, and a broken windoe there. blah. have been only very few pictures and all the time the same fightening story what happen if tha gas truck goes kABOOM.

okay also pics of reds smashing that very expensivve cars cars. but anything more?

this website http://www.factreport.go.th/ will be a the government introduced and explained the back songkran propganda page. comming soon, 1-2 days.

i am waiting for that. i guess we will see a lot of soldiers and thankful residents pics, how expensive car got smashed and 4-5 buses photographed from all angles. my bet.

anybody wanna challenge? Koo post photos of the peaceful government house red shirt rally. and the others anything else. like pics of of the anarchy in bangkok streets. anyone cool actions photos, and not just like pics of 12 red shirts near din daeng or a group of 5 rd shirt ignite a few tires in streets who have been dead empty anyway, because of songran. real pics of a violent mob out of control who could only got crackdowned by the paperbullets (that was alsmost peaceful like origami love birds for the south) but also justifuied that crack down.

that is the reason for the relative small numer of injured, most theme in early morning crackdown. latter that day and in the evening injured because they got attacked by blue yellow mob gangs.,

[hammered]

Its either evolutionary readjustements that all can live with now, which it looks like Abhisit is trying or face the possibility of a Chavez style figure in the future and not some faux socialist like Thaksin or one of the almost comedic aging guys in jungle fatigues and red stars.

Well I agree it's best for the country to stick with Abhisit for the time being.I also definitely agree Thailand can do without a Chavez type figure although if the sheer stupidity and selfishness of the elite continues that's exactly what we might get.What Abhisit has to demonstrate is that he's his own man and can face down opposition from his own side.His positions on evenhandedness towards offending red and yellow leaders, amnesty and reform of the regressive 2007 consitution are promising.It would be encouraging if he brought the military criminals to book not perhaps the traitors who launched the coup (I'm trying to be a realist!) but certainly those responsible for Krue Se and Tak Bai.Actually I seem to remember the Attorney General has only recently let the military murderers at Krue Se off the hook - so not too hopeful on that point.

Personally I don't think evolution alone will do the trick, but "events" will be the catalyst for change.

Agree with that and it is nice to see a reasoned post in the midst of what is rapidly degenrating into some of the worst threads I have ever witnessed here.

Dont expect Abhisit or anyone else to go after the military. Only a few days back we had the biggest coup rumours since the latter days of Thaksin. I wouldnt doubt it was at least discussed. As an aside considering at Pattaya and just after SoE the police and military were basically not doing anything and groups were calling for Abhisit to be hunted down, what changed to allow the clearance of the reds? There must be an interesting event somewher that we are not privvy to or we dont see.

[animatic]

Its either evolutionary readjustements that all can live with now, which it looks like Abhisit is trying or face the possibility of a Chavez style figure in the future and not some faux socialist like Thaksin or one of the almost comedic aging guys in jungle fatigues and red stars.

Well I agree it's best for the country to stick with Abhisit for the time being.I also definitely agree Thailand can do without a Chavez type figure although if the sheer stupidity and selfishness of the elite continues that's exactly what we might get.What Abhisit has to demonstrate is that he's his own man and can face down opposition from his own side.His positions on evenhandedness towards offending red and yellow leaders, amnesty and reform of the regressive 2007 consitution are promising.It would be encouraging if he brought the military criminals to book not perhaps the traitors who launched the coup (I'm trying to be a realist!) but certainly those responsible for Krue Se and Tak Bai.Actually I seem to remember the Attorney General has only recently let the military murderers at Krue Se off the hook - so not too hopeful on that point.

Personally I don't think evolution alone will do the trick, but "events" will be the catalyst for change.

Agree with that and it is nice to see a reasoned post in the midst of what is rapidly degenrating into some of the worst threads I have ever witnessed here.

Dont expect Abhisit or anyone else to go after the military. Only a few days back we had the biggest coup rumours since the latter days of Thaksin. I wouldnt doubt it was at least discussed. As an aside considering at Pattaya and just after SoE the police and military were basically not doing anything and groups were calling for Abhisit to be hunted down, what changed to allow the clearance of the reds? There must be an interesting event somewher that we are not privvy to or we dont see.

Ditto.

[dbrenn]

If it wasn't for Thaksin, Thailand would be an decent country, full of thoughtful industrialists, selfless army officers, philanthropic aristos and hard-toiling unenvious working classes. These people are not to blame for it being banana-world in any way shape or form, they were just following ze orders that must be obeyed at all times and the bad example that was being set.

Now if only the sole bad apple, Thaksin, could be put in jail in leg irons (because after all he is convicted, he's a convicted convict who is the subject of a conviction), then Thailand will be this country again. Its axiomatic.

Brilliant! At last we have a solution to Thailand's problems. The clock will turn itself back once Thaksin 'the Beast' is in jail where he belongs. A public lynching may be in order, just to reinforce the message.

[damian5000]

they really just need to leave this dude alone. he did more for this country than any previous prime minister. we certainly wouldn't have 49 baht sim cards if it wasn't for thaksin. probably wouldn't even have signal at all.

i'm sure most of you and 99% of the thai people who are against thaksin are listening to current government propaganda and haven't a clue what really went on. to get things done... you need to get things done. that's the way shit happens. watch hoffa. in certain worlds it's impossible to achieve anything without doing a little this a little that....thailand especially.

Edited May 2, 2009 by damian5000

[victor15]

It occurred to me that dear old Thaksin who is being hounded from one lair to another has, over the last few years, purchased luxury properties in the United Kingdom and Hong Kong,China to name just two locations.

It would be interesting to know if he has unloaded these 'des-res' properties or still hopes one day to occupy them.

One of his daughters is using the London property, but what she's doing there! not a clue.

[selftaopath]

Despite all the sound and fury, Thaksin Shinawatra is never going to spend one night in the nick in Thailand. You are probably correct. Pity though and what message does it give to the world/ or other corrupt individuals.

So can we all forget this stimulating fantasy, however plausible the Government PR spin and the thrice minutely shrieks of 'but he's a convicted criminal' Yea, remember protecting "other peoples' faces." Rule #1. Top priority.

Yeah, so maybe he ends up paying a national leader to be allowed to settle in some (other) third world country - Fiji, Solomon Islands, Samoa. "Oh he's got to go to Rarotonga maybe they'l have him, yof yof yof".... so what? Thailand isn't the world's greatest nation either. Rarotonga ain't bad if you don't have to work again. Its miles better than Pattaya. Or he might re-unite w/ his buddy in Russia; maybe be an "embassador" in "little Russia" aka Pattaya.

[bf2002]

Interesting.

They have "confirmed" various passports. Nothing else.

Have those countries been actually co-operating with Thailand with the "requested" on-site arrest or extradition? I don't see that mentioned in this article or any previous ones posted on this website. It's interesting how the current Thai "authorities" seem to constantly leave this information out (sic)....notice in the entire "news article" the only country that has given them a simple "draft" extradition order is Dhubai. I'd like to hear when it is actually "in force".

No, these things don't normally take this much time from any country with any real diplomatic power. Would it take this long for a criminal extradition order from the UK, Oz, the US, or Canada? No....oh but Thailand isn't these countries....they seem to be treated more like some banana republic....wonder why?

Interpol is sharing information, but where have they ever agreed to actually participate in extradition? If they have, why is Thaksin able to fly around and land in any country except other banana republics like Nicaragua and Liberia?

Relations with Cambodia is "sensitive"...Thailand screwed up that relationship....the Cambodians are not goig to help.

Edited May 3, 2009 by bf2002

[brahmburgers]

they really just need to leave this dude alone. he did more for this country than any previous prime minister.

i'm sure most of you and 99% of the thai people who are against thaksin are listening to current government propaganda and haven't a clue what really went on. to get things done... you need to get things done. that's the way shit happens. in certain worlds it's impossible to achieve anything without doing a little this a little that....thailand especially.

"getting things done" .....is your definition of a good leader?

Bush got something done in Iraq, otherwise known as a war.

The Russkies got rivers diverted from the Arial Sea - thereby drying it up.

It's WHAT gets done, that counts. Thaksin got things done - unfortunately, most were the wrong things (for the Thai people) though the same such things enriched T and his family and friends.

Unfortunately, good leadership material is in short supply in Thailand.

The Thai people need leaders who have......

A. decent personal values,

B. a sincere caring for the Thai people and their natural environment,

C. an ability to form coalitions and get things done.

So I agree with Damian somewhat on the need for a leader "to be able to get things done." Thaksin scores high on C, but fails miserably on A and B

[bf2002]

they really just need to leave this dude alone. he did more for this country than any previous prime minister.

i'm sure most of you and 99% of the thai people who are against thaksin are listening to current government propaganda and haven't a clue what really went on. to get things done... you need to get things done. that's the way shit happens. in certain worlds it's impossible to achieve anything without doing a little this a little that....thailand especially.

"getting things done" .....is your definition of a good leader?

Bush got something done in Iraq, otherwise known as a war.

The Russkies got rivers diverted from the Arial Sea - thereby drying it up.

It's WHAT gets done, that counts. Thaksin got things done - unfortunately, most were the wrong things (for the Thai people) though the same such things enriched T and his family and friends.

Unfortunately, good leadership material is in short supply in Thailand.

The Thai people need leaders who have......

A. decent personal values,

B. a sincere caring for the Thai people and their natural environment,

C. an ability to form coalitions and get things done.

So I agree with Damian somewhat on the need for a leader "to be able to get things done." Thaksin scores high on C, but fails miserably on A and B

Go back past the days of the TRT....you will find people with values like the Democrats by another name if not the same party name did their share of corruption and destruction of old Siam's natural resources. In what version of Thai history do you live?

It was this way, it is this way, and it will be this way. Do you seriuosly think the current administration is going to be different. TiT.

If you are a simple middle class income Westerner, do you think you are treated so well for any reason except your money? Some people like to think so, others like myself see it for what it is and enjoy the place for what it is and will always be.

Most Thais would prefer to get their share of the Baht. Why do you think most of the country, i.e. Issaan, still supports Thaksin?

The average Thai would prefer the economy improves and their pockets are lined with Baht. They don't give a crap about the red or yellow's stated political views or views of justice. This is why the "educated minority" of Thais supported the coup, the yellows, and Abhisit. It is to their financial interest. It is obvious why the poor masses support the reds. It is ALL ABOUT MONEY. It's clear as day!

Most foreign investment entities think the same---have you read the common view of international investment funds and investment banks on Thailand? Have you looked into the view of foriegn firm's that have or are interested in capital investment in Thailand? Sorry, but no mention of supporting this or that group? There is the standard PR blurb, when it's not a direct investment statement, about supporting capitalism and democracy...but since both sides "claim" these are their values, he foreign money could claim they backed either group AFTER THE FACT.

In the end, it's just about money...TiT. Actually, to be blunt, it is JUST Thailand...it isn't the West....and that is why you get what you get and not less than in your home country.

Edited May 3, 2009 by bf2002

[spaceshipcrew]

The government is closely monitoring Jakrapob Penkair's movements, though his whereabouts are still unknown.

I don't understand this sentence

[animatic]

The government is closely monitoring Jakrapob Penkair's movements, though his whereabouts are still unknown.

I don't understand this sentence

No one does...

[chrislarsson]

Go back past the days of the TRT....you will find people with values like the Democrats by another name if not the same party name did their share of corruption and destruction of old Siam's natural resources. In what version of Thai history do you live?

It was this way, it is this way, and it will be this way. Do you seriously think the current administration is going to be different. TiT.

If you are a simple middle class income Westerner, do you think you are treated so well for any reason except your money? Some people like to think so, others like myself see it for what it is and enjoy the place for what it is and will always be.

In Thailand you get well treated if you have money, it doesn't matter you are a farang or Thai. In the West you get treated the same (i.e. not very good) regardless of money.

Most Thais would prefer to get their share of the Baht. Why do you think most of the country, i.e. Issaan, still supports Thaksin?

The average Thai would prefer the economy improves and their pockets are lined with Baht. They don't give a crap about the red or yellow's stated political views or views of justice. This is why the "educated minority" of Thais supported the coup, the yellows, and Abhisit. It is to their financial interest. It is obvious why the poor masses support the reds. It is ALL ABOUT MONEY. It's clear as day!

It's all about money AND power everywhere.

Most foreign investment entities think the same---have you read the common view of international investment funds and investment banks on Thailand? Have you looked into the view of foriegn firm's that have or are interested in capital investment in Thailand? Sorry, but no mention of supporting this or that group? There is the standard PR blurb, when it's not a direct investment statement, about supporting capitalism and democracy...but since both sides "claim" these are their values, he foreign money could claim they backed either group AFTER THE FACT.

Foreign investors are looking for stability and predictability.

In the end, it's just about money...TiT. Actually, to be blunt, it is JUST Thailand...it isn't the West....and that is why you get what you get and not less than in your home country.

I find your TiTs quotes quite strange. It's not more about money in Thailand than it is in the rest of the world.

Thailand is not more corrupt than many other countries at the same economic level, and it's certainly not more corrupt than the west was a hundred years ago. And don't forget that there are still plenty of corruption in the west, even though much of the small corruption is rooted out.

Edited May 3, 2009 by chrislarsson

[Crushdepth]

I really don't think the government wants to catch Thaksin. His outstanding sentence is pretty light really - if he serves it he'll be out in no time and free to create an even bigger mess. Better to let him stay out of the country 'on the run'.

[otherstuff1957]

A. decent personal values,

B. a sincere caring for the Thai people and their natural environment,

C. an ability to form coalitions and get things done.

So I agree with Damian somewhat on the need for a leader "to be able to get things done." Thaksin scores high on C, but fails miserably on A and B

I was upcountry(Noth-central,not Issan) during Songkran and the general feeling I got from people was that most of them felt that Thaksin's grades would be:

A. 0

B. 6 or 7

C. 9 out of 10

What I was told was that they voted for the Democats for years and got nothing in return. But when Thaksin was PM money flowed to the villages. If the current Dem=lead coalition wants to get votes, they are going to have to try to copy as many of Thaksin's populist policies as possible.

[dbrenn]

A. decent personal values,

B. a sincere caring for the Thai people and their natural environment,

C. an ability to form coalitions and get things done.

So I agree with Damian somewhat on the need for a leader "to be able to get things done." Thaksin scores high on C, but fails miserably on A and B

I was upcountry(Noth-central,not Issan) during Songkran and the general feeling I got from people was that most of them felt that Thaksin's grades would be:

A. 0

B. 6 or 7

C. 9 out of 10

What I was told was that they voted for the Democats for years and got nothing in return. But when Thaksin was PM money flowed to the villages. If the current Dem=lead coalition wants to get votes, they are going to have to try to copy as many of Thaksin's populist policies as possible.

Right - the Dems let the rural folk rot, preferring instead to squabble endlessly among themselves. That's what Abhisit is up against, and that's why it will take more than empty promises to bring the rural folks back on board. They've heard it all before.

[BigSnake]

Just a matter of time in my view before he is brougth to justice, just think, this is 2009, if he had came clean in early 2007 most of his problems would be behind him, however his SCOLD Ego would be in front of his face.

[hammered]

they really just need to leave this dude alone. he did more for this country than any previous prime minister. we certainly wouldn't have 49 baht sim cards if it wasn't for thaksin. probably wouldn't even have signal at all.

i'm sure most of you and 99% of the thai people who are against thaksin are listening to current government propaganda and haven't a clue what really went on. to get things done... you need to get things done. that's the way shit happens. watch hoffa. in certain worlds it's impossible to achieve anything without doing a little this a little that....thailand especially.

So getting cheap sim cards is a way of turning some people's minds away from several thousand extra-judicial killings the exactnumber being very close to the number the Rettig report acredits to Pinochet who I am sure also improved the economic situation ofhis country and would therefore deserve the praise that some seem to heap on Thaksin.

It makes sense not to pay too much attention ot the druvel that comes from extreme yellow or red operatives and to read around things widely, talk to ordinary Thai people and think for oneself imho. You will be surprised how much even the humblest Thai knows about what goes on whether they are pro or anti Thaksin or neutral on the whole matter.

Maybe it could also be phrased why doesnt Thaksin leave the country alone? He doesnt have to fund parties and organize street riots, both of which most people in the country seem to think he did/does. Maybe then the country could move on, and I dont doubt any government of any persuasion would leave him alone if he took that approach.