dbrenn Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 Do you continually deliberately miss the point? Or is this a sad attempt at irony? Miss what point? Is there one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koo82 Posted May 24, 2009 Share Posted May 24, 2009 The 37 members were replaced in by elections! And still Abhisit has enough MPs. There are no missing MPs in Parliament. When they voted for Abhisit, PPP was short of 37 members. By election was held 45 days after PPP was dissolved if I'm not wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plus Posted May 25, 2009 Share Posted May 25, 2009 Justice is justice. Right is right. Convicting people with no proof of guilt whatsoever ---- is neither !! Whatever justification you can come up with for your position (not necessarily unsound) one irrefutiable principal should override all ---- before anyone can be convicted for any crime they must be proven guilty. Negligence could also be a crime, if something happens on your watch, you take responsibility. Also don't forget that we are not talking criminality here, no one went to jail or anything, they simply lost their jobs. You can lose a job for a lot less. I also hope you realise by now that they take responsility only for wrongdoings of fellow executives acting in official capacity on behalf of the party, not for hundreds of individual candidates trying to secuer their own little wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted May 25, 2009 Share Posted May 25, 2009 Not all of us who lean toward the Red side are supporters of Thaksin. I for one can understand Rilalex's point. When he was in power, I found him to be quite scary at times. At a minimum, he was devisive. However, I do not, under any circumstances believe that it is or will be in the best interest of the country for the Military to involve itself in politics. Thailand is, I hope, a little more advanced than the Philippines was during the Marcos era and Thaksin's grab for power might not have been near as easy. The coup certainly did very little to make things better for the country as a whole. We've had seizures, riots and paralysis by the gov't. Abhisit, for all his good qualities, will continue to have trouble governing because he doesn't have the mandate to govern that is necessary in even a pseudo-democracy. He must follow the dictates of the military and others to whom he is beholden. This means progress is unlikely to happen. Thus far about all I have seen happen is lightening swift action against anything that can even be remotely blamed on Thaksin. Not the best way for the country to operate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tig28 Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 Justice is justice. Right is right. Convicting people with no proof of guilt whatsoever ---- is neither !! Whatever justification you can come up with for your position (not necessarily unsound) one irrefutiable principal should override all ---- before anyone can be convicted for any crime they must be proven guilty. Negligence could also be a crime, if something happens on your watch, you take responsibility. Also don't forget that we are not talking criminality here, no one went to jail or anything, they simply lost their jobs. You can lose a job for a lot less. I also hope you realise by now that they take responsility only for wrongdoings of fellow executives acting in official capacity on behalf of the party, not for hundreds of individual candidates trying to secuer their own little wins. Hi Plus "Negligence could also be a crime, if something happens on your watch, you take responsibility." "Negligence??" You must be kidding --- you seem to expect each executive member to maintain constant surveillance over his fellows .... apparently you have this really interesting view that individual executives of a party should be automatically aware of the (often secret?) illegal activities of their colleagues. In the case of PM Samak Sundaravej's executive --- that was 37 persons !!! Plus ... get real !!!. Whilst this kind of dictatorial misuse of power is attractive to you it is an obviously dangerous abuse of that power which should be opposed at every opportunity. No one should face punishment without evidence of wrongdoing --- even, Plus --- people you do not like. As I stated before Guilt (and punishment) by association is an extremely dangerous path to follow. This obscene clause (article 237) introducing "collective responsibility" to the constitution for the first time was drafted (after the 19 September 2006 military coup d'état) by the Constitutional Drafting Assembly ---- hand-picked by the military. The particular clause was directed at nothing more than the destruction of the Junta's political opponents. It was ---when combined with the blatant misuse of other selected powers --- a devastating tool to be used to destroy any opposing political party. After so many years in the wilderness --- with their place at the trough under threat from Thaksins endeavors to place his own cronies at the top of the military --- this was their final solution. Three elections had gone against them (the coup avoided a fourth) --- this was their desperate (successful) last chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animatic Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 Not all of us who lean toward the Red side are supporters of Thaksin. I for one can understand Rilalex's point. When he was in power, I found him to be quite scary at times. At a minimum, he was devisive. However, I do not, under any circumstances believe that it is or will be in the best interest of the country for the Military to involve itself in politics. Thailand is, I hope, a little more advanced than the Philippines was during the Marcos era and Thaksin's grab for power might not have been near as easy.The coup certainly did very little to make things better for the country as a whole. We've had seizures, riots and paralysis by the gov't. Abhisit, for all his good qualities, will continue to have trouble governing because he doesn't have the mandate to govern that is necessary in even a pseudo-democracy. He must follow the dictates of the military and others to whom he is beholden. This means progress is unlikely to happen. Thus far about all I have seen happen is lightening swift action against anything that can even be remotely blamed on Thaksin. Not the best way for the country to operate. Where do you imagine Thaksin got his mandate from? He got the public right to hold the office sure, via his political machine. He would never have maintained power with out the backing of the military. But there is morte than pone faction of the military and on major reason he lost their backing was because of his ongoing attempts to take control of a large other military faction for his own ends. When he lost it from his own multiple mis-steps, the military rescinded their mandate. He was NOT Prime Minister at the time of the Coup, he was only care taker, and thus no mandate at all. Thaksin's grab for power was mostly during his time as Prime Minister, and he failed. Now he is trying to get his money back manipulating up country desires for a better life, to his own ends. And having been attacked by Thaksin, the military won't let it happen again. Since the coup the majority of rioting and violent street disturbances were cause by Thaksin's maneuvers to get back his money and regain power. If he had not remained in the background pulling strings, Thailand would have become much quieter much quicker. We need to understand the differences between attainable goals and idealist utopias. And the ability to move forward and gradually improve conditions, vs abrupt dislocative changes wrought by pure philosophical idealism and little practical forethought. Abhisit will move along step by step. Thaksin's only game plan must , by neccessity, be abrupt and likely cause great collateral damage. Reality must inevitably raise it's head above idealism and the practical must inevitable rule the field of affairs. When this hasn't been the case it has been historically bad for the average Somchai and Portiva trying to get by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 A post and a reply ot it deleted. Has anybody noticed that is an old topic from May not todays rally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierrot Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 A post and a reply ot it deleted. Has anybody noticed that is an old topic from May not todays rally. Who cares ? Most posters in this section can' t resist a good brawl anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
churchill Posted June 27, 2009 Author Share Posted June 27, 2009 Thaksin to address red-shirt protesters at 8:30 pm Former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra will make a phone-in to address his supporters at Sanam Luang at 8:30 pm. Jatuporn Promphan, a red-shirt leader, said Thaksin would use the phone-in to point out the failure of the economic measures of the government. Jatuporn said Thaksin would point out that Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva could not tackle the economic crisis. The Nation http://www.nationmultimedia.com/news/30106...sters-at-830-pm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandstone Art Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 Thaksin to address red-shirt protesters at 8:30 pmFormer prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra will make a phone-in to address his supporters at Sanam Luang at 8:30 pm. Jatuporn Promphan, a red-shirt leader, said Thaksin would use the phone-in to point out the failure of the economic measures of the government. Jatuporn said Thaksin would point out that Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva could not tackle the economic crisis. The Nation http://www.nationmultimedia.com/news/30106...sters-at-830-pm The govt should let the rain and thunder pour down at 8.25pm and there will be just a handful of them drenched reds listening to the speech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mario2008 Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 As this a thread about an old rallly and there is already a thread about todays rellay here: http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Red-shirts-H...rd-t275643.html this one is closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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