Father Aged 50 Of Thai Child.

[brizzle]

Thankyou ubonjoe and lopburi3,

So as I understand I can apply for a one year extension before 7th June ( my next border run deadline) based on having a Thai child and I must have at least 400,000 in a Thai bank account. I assume that even though my current Non O runs through to September that my extension visa will simply overide that. As you have pointed out getting an extension based on a Thai child probably depends on which immigration office you visit and unfortunately I am on Samui which is renowned for making your life difficult unless you make their life less difficult by means of extra money. Still when you look at the cost of border runs and a new visa in the UK the 5,000 baht fee would still make sense even though it goes against all my principals of giving in to fraudulent scum bags. However I will be visiting the Chumphon and Phuket area's very soon and would be interested to know peoples experiences with these immigration offices.Can I apply for an extension in a different area and then do my reporting on Samui?

[lopburi3]

You must apply for the extension of stay where your home is - you can not apply out of area anymore.

[brizzle]

You must apply for the extension of stay where your home is - you can not apply out of area anymore.

Thanks lopburi,

Something that Samui immigration are obviously very aware of. Hook,line and sinkered comes to mind!!

[GraBangkok]

Sorry to in on this thread but I have a question or two.

I am about to sell my condo and loose my investment visa....Gutted but have to take care of my Daughter of 4 years, mum gone now for 2 years, only me and baby

Do not have money in my ac now but will have when I sell,

Am I too late to get a child support visa and show no money in my ac?

If I am, when I change my visa the 400k won't have been in my ac for the 2 months required OR

should I hang on to my investment visa until the 2 months have elapsed then apply? am I breaking any law by doing that?

I could get a retirement visa but don't want to thai up 800k if I can help it

Thanks in advance

[lopburi3]

Do not believe there is any 2 month rule for child. But you may have a requirement to legalize your status as having custody (I would sound out local immigration office on requirements now). You are not married to mother? If there is a delay I would use non immigrant O visa entry(s) for 90 days each rather than try keeping investment extension after you sell. You should not have any problem obtaining visas - even if single entry.

[ubonjoe]

You could also get a 60 day extension at immigration to visit your child if you needed a little time to sort out the money and paperwork. You would just need the childs birth certificate showing you as the father to get this.

Do you have legal custody of the child granted by a court. That would be required to get the one year extension at some immigration offices.

Where are living now?

[GraBangkok]

You could also get a 60 day extension at immigration to visit your child if you needed a little time to sort out the money and paperwork. You would just need the childs birth certificate showing you as the father to get this.

Do you have legal custody of the child granted by a court. That would be required to get the one year extension at some immigration offices.

Where are living now?

We live in BKK, baby has Thai Pass Port, I have BC with my name as Dad, do not have legal custody yet, it is on my list when I sell, next week I think, Oh and not married,

[ubonjoe]

You are lucky. Bangkok is one of the most friendly offices for getting an extension based upon having a Thai child. I don't know how they will handle it since the mother is not living with you but it would be worth a try. If not then get then get the 60 day extension and go through the process of getting custody.

[GraBangkok]

Thankyou Ubonjoe, will go to there soon and let you know

[JohanJanssen]

Hi,

I find the whole thing very confusing. I have 2 children and I am under 50 (just). For my oldest (6y) I have full custody granted by the thai court since 2004. The mother is gone.

In that year I changed my investment one year visa to the support children visa.

2004-2008 no problem, I brought my 1000.000 b+ bank statement every year and immigration told me "no need".

So just now I wanted to extent my visa again, and for the first time did not bring this statement "where is your bank statement 400.000 b???"

During my 90 d visits I asked several times if there where any changes, "no same".

Does someone of you know;

1.

Does it make any difference if you not only have 2 thai children, but one of them (6y) has no mother and I as a foreigner has full custody over the the thai child granted by the thai court. (I am not married)

2.

How about that "grandfather clause"?

3.

I was reading somewhere on this website that when you have this visa from 2006 or before no changes will be made? Why do they change it for me?

4.

Do you think in the theoretical case "I could not meet the financial requirements" they would just refuse me the visa, and make me break off my son's education (at international school) and kick me out of the country make my son an orphan, and make me lose my considerable investments?

I really don't understand why these kind of changes are not communicated properly to the people involved, it gives an enormous feeling of uncertainty and certainly makes you feel to put all planned investments on a hold.

Because it is makes the game very difficult if one year it is like this and who knows what it will be the next year.

Sometimes I think it is sometimes not being understood which significance it has to have people in the country who, - not take away jobs,but create them - bring in loads of hard currency,- live by the rule of law.

Europe could be jealous.

Thanks

[Lite Beer]

Rule changed November 25th 2008.

(5) In the case of a parent, one of parents must have an average annual income of not less than 40,000 baht per month or a money deposit of not less than 400,000 baht for expenses within a year.

There is no Grandfather Clause. Only this. Vague statement.

In other necessary circumstances, The Immigration Commissioner or Deputy of Immigration Commissioner may approve on case to case basis.

[lopburi3]

1. Having custody is often required. So is a plus. Have two children does not change anything that I know of.

2. There is no "grandfather" clause - but there is a clause that allows them the option to make a one year delay in 400k requirement if they want to use it.

3. Have no idea where you read that - rules are always changing and are seldom grandfathered.

4. You can always obtain non immigrant O visa entry. It would just require 90 day border runs.

[ubonjoe]

1.

Does it make any difference if you not only have 2 thai children, but one of them (6y) has no mother and I as a foreigner has full custody over the the thai child granted by the thai court. (I am not married)

2.

How about that "grandfather clause"?

3.

I was reading somewhere on this website that when you have this visa from 2006 or before no changes will be made? Why do they change it for me?

4.

Do you think in the theoretical case "I could not meet the financial requirements" they would just refuse me the visa, and make me break off my son's education (at international school) and kick me out of the country make my son an orphan, and make me lose my considerable investments?

1. That makes no difference.

2/3 There is none. The old grandfather clause was only for a marriage extension. And the new one also which is only valid for a year.

4. I think you should go back to immigration and plead your case. Because of this statement in the rule.

In other necessary circumstances, The Immigration Commissioner or Deputy of Immigration Commissioner may approve on case to case basis.

Immigration has done rule changes before including this one and makes no public announcement via the newspapers or any other media. It was posted on this forum shortly after it went into effect.

Some immigration offices did send out information to those affected by the changes.

[Mario2008]

You could also get a 60 day extension at immigration to visit your child if you needed a little time to sort out the money and paperwork. You would just need the childs birth certificate showing you as the father to get this.

Do you have legal custody of the child granted by a court. That would be required to get the one year extension at some immigration offices.

Where are living now?

We live in BKK, baby has Thai Pass Port, I have BC with my name as Dad, do not have legal custody yet, it is on my list when I sell, next week I think, Oh and not married,

Without being married at the time of birth, you being named on the BC is not enough. You would have had to register the baby yourself at the amphur for you to become legal the father and hold costudy over the child. If you didn't register the baby yourself, but for example the hospisal did, as far as the law is concerend you are not the father.

Not impossible to sort out, but will require some time and a lawyer.

[JohanJanssen]

1.

Does it make any difference if you not only have 2 thai children, but one of them (6y) has no mother and I as a foreigner has full custody over the the thai child granted by the thai court. (I am not married)

2.

How about that "grandfather clause"?

3.

I was reading somewhere on this website that when you have this visa from 2006 or before no changes will be made? Why do they change it for me?

4.

Do you think in the theoretical case "I could not meet the financial requirements" they would just refuse me the visa, and make me break off my son's education (at international school) and kick me out of the country make my son an orphan, and make me lose my considerable investments?

1. That makes no difference.

2/3 There is none. The old grandfather clause was only for a marriage extension. And the new one also which is only valid for a year.

4. I think you should go back to immigration and plead your case. Because of this statement in the rule.

In other necessary circumstances, The Immigration Commissioner or Deputy of Immigration Commissioner may approve on case to case basis.

Immigration has done rule changes before including this one and makes no public announcement via the newspapers or any other media. It was posted on this forum shortly after it went into effect.

Some immigration offices did send out information to those affected by the changes.

Thanks, well I didn't get any information from the imm-off. I asked for it but nothing changed according to hem. I am going back with a bank statement for the 400.000 b. It is not a problem, just the way they do things and the uncertainty that this creates.

[ubonjoe]

You will need a letter from the bank confirming the balance and your bank book updated on that date.

Plus you will need copies of the bank book pages.

[JohanJanssen]

You can no longer obtain a one year extension of stay for child without financial means. That ended last year. It now requires the same 40k/400k as a spouse.

"

Please note – If you have an extension based on supporting a Thai child that was issued before Oct 1st 2006, then the old rules still apply and will be covered under the grandfather clause.

(a grandfather clause is an exception which allows something pre-existing to remain as it is, despite a change to the contrary in the rules applied to newer situations.)"

This I found on this website. My visa was issued before 2006 andd still they want to see the money. So next year when I am 50 it will stop again?

[ubonjoe]

All grandfather clauses for marriage or supporting a Thai child have been eliminated. There is no such clause now.

[DMasut]

I seem to remember reading somewhere or other that fathers aged over 50 of Thai children could get a 3 month visa extension to a non imm O visa at their local immigration office.

Could somebody please tell me whether this is a figment of my rather old imagination or if this is in fact still the case. If so what is the cost(1,900 bht?) and apart from the childs birth certificate what other documents or proof of earnings would be required?

My wife inquired at the Samui immigration office (their larger than life fees have been well documented on thaivisa)but they only gave her a leaflet regarding retirement visa extensions...and they kindly advised that the extension fee would be 5,000 baht and not 1,900 bht(I think that's right but correct me if I'm wrong??)....but hey who needs to drink tea when you can drink champaign!'

Many thanks for any feedback.

STOP BEING A LAZY GIT and go to Bangkok Immigration or take a visa run to Malaysia, Singapore, Laos, etc...

The time and "EXTRA" money you will have to pay to Immigration on Samui will be more in the end...and you'll get a road trip out of it.

[JAS21]

Believe they will list in UK pounds and immigration will have to convert.

I mentioned, in a post, the little problem that 'someone in immigration' had difficulty finding the exchange rate when I went to extend my visa. I saw a reply suggesting that the BE will convert for you and use 'your rate' and just put the THB equivalent in your income letter, provided you can reasonably justify that rate. Maybe a printout of the highest exchange rate that you can find over the past week or two would suffice.

[ubonjoe]

STOP BEING A LAZY GIT and go to Bangkok Immigration

You can't just go to any immigration you want to.

You have to go to the immigration office where you live unless you are on a visa entry. Then you can use a hotel or some other temporary address and use the immigration office where you are at.

[Lite Beer]

STOP BEING A LAZY GIT and go to Bangkok Immigration

He does not have that option. He is stuck with Samui

[JohanJanssen]

STOP BEING A LAZY GIT and go to Bangkok Immigration

You can't just go to any immigration you want to.

You have to go to the immigration office where you live unless you are on a visa entry. Then you can use a hotel or some other temporary address and use the immigration office where you are at.

"unless you are on a visa entry"?

What does that mean? If I live in Pattaya I can't go to the immigration in Bangkok? Can I temporary rent a condo in BKK? Can I appeal somewhere if I don't like the decision of the immigration that I happened to go to?

I read here that when you are over 50 and have to take care of a minor thai childe (of which in my I have full custody) you don't need to show the money.

But the local immigration told me already several times "you will have to change to retirement" (because I get 50 next year).

Why is that?

How can I make them understand that I want to continue with the "father visa"? I think they will be not happy with me. I doubt if they will cooperate. I hear in BKK they are more used to dealing with issues like this?

Thanks.

[lopburi3]

Because the over age 50 father option without financial tests ended last year. You now must meet the normal 40k/400k requirements of this years regulations or change to retirement and meet the 65k/800k requirements. I suspect if you tell them you can not meet the retirement but can meet the father requirement they will be willing to do - but retirement is much easier for everyone if you can qualify. The new rules are you must use the office that covers your location (as they often will make checks to see that you live there).

Edited May 28, 2009 by lopburi3

[ubonjoe]

STOP BEING A LAZY GIT and go to Bangkok Immigration

You can't just go to any immigration you want to.

You have to go to the immigration office where you live unless you are on a visa entry. Then you can use a hotel or some other temporary address and use the immigration office where you are at.

"unless you are on a visa entry"?

What does that mean? If I live in Pattaya I can't go to the immigration in Bangkok? Can I temporary rent a condo in BKK? Can I appeal somewhere if I don't like the decision of the immigration that I happened to go to?

I read here that when you are over 50 and have to take care of a minor thai childe (of which in my I have full custody) you don't need to show the money.

But the local immigration told me already several times "you will have to change to retirement" (because I get 50 next year).

Why is that?

How can I make them understand that I want to continue with the "father visa"? I think they will be not happy with me. I doubt if they will cooperate. I hear in BKK they are more used to dealing with issues like this?

Thanks.

If you have leagal custody of your child you won't have any problem getting an extension anywhere.

You have to show money in the bank or income since November of last year. There is no longer an age clause

(5) In the case of a parent, one of parents must have an average annual income of not less than 40,000 baht per month or a money deposit of not less than 400,000 baht for expenses within a year.

They can't force you to do the retirement extension. As long as you can meet the requiemnents as a parent.

[MrWiggle]

I recently got my renewal for another 12 months of the 'in support of a thai child' visa.

I was well chuffed, got it easy, 20 minutes in and out. I am under 50yo and not married.

Also dodged a possible 30/40k fine for another matter, must have been my lucky day.

[welo]

I recently got my renewal for another 12 months of the 'in support of a thai child' visa.

I was well chuffed, got it easy, 20 minutes in and out. I am under 50yo and not married.

Also dodged a possible 30/40k fine for another matter, must have been my lucky day.

Wiggle,

May I ask for more details? Do you have legal custody for the child? Did you meet the financial requirements?

welo

[welo]

Without being married at the time of birth, you being named on the BC is not enough. You would have had to register the baby yourself at the amphur for you to become legal the father and hold costudy over the child. If you didn't register the baby yourself, but for example the hospisal did, as far as the law is concerend you are not the father.

Not impossible to sort out, but will require some time and a lawyer.

Can somebody give me more details about this? I just had my friend make the birth certificate for his newborn daughter at the local amphoe, and the daughter holds his family name now (with consent of the mother).

Is he the legal father of the child now or not? Do the parents have shared custody now, or only the father? Will he be able to apply for a 1-year extension if meeting the financial requirements? Immigration office is Aranya Prathet.

Thx,

welo

[MrWiggle]

May I ask for more details? Do you have legal custody for the child? Did you meet the financial requirements?

welo

I have what is described as recognised legal father of 1 child by the family court, he was born overseas. The other I am on the Thai birth certificate.

I met the 400k in the bank requirements.

[Mario2008]

Without being married at the time of birth, you being named on the BC is not enough. You would have had to register the baby yourself at the amphur for you to become legal the father and hold costudy over the child. If you didn't register the baby yourself, but for example the hospisal did, as far as the law is concerend you are not the father.

Not impossible to sort out, but will require some time and a lawyer.

Can somebody give me more details about this? I just had my friend make the birth certificate for his newborn daughter at the local amphoe, and the daughter holds his family name now (with consent of the mother).

Is he the legal father of the child now or not? Do the parents have shared custody now, or only the father? Will he be able to apply for a 1-year extension if meeting the financial requirements? Immigration office is Aranya Prathet.

Thx,

welo

If he regisered the child himself at the amphur he is the legal father and holds joint costudy together with the mother.