Does Dying Make You A Good Person?

[elibangkok]

There seems to be a segment of posters who feel that once someone passes away, they are absolved of all wrongdoing.

This seems odd to me. I wonder if they feel this way about all people or just some?

Obviously, this has been brought up becuase of Michael Jackson's death.

When Thaksin dies, will they say he was a good person?

Curious as to others feelings on this. . .

[Lost in LOS]

There seems to be a segment of posters who feel that once someone passes away, they are absolved of all wrongdoing.

This seems odd to me. I wonder if they feel this way about all people or just some?

Obviously, this has been brought up becuase of Michael Jackson's death.

When Thaksin dies, will they say he was a good person?

Curious as to others feelings on this. . .

when i had a restaurant on sunset strip in hollywood michael jackson used to come in a lot. he was always quiet, friendly and low key unlike his public persona.

taskin i am not so sure about

[ukrules]

When Thaksin dies, will they say he was a good person?

There's a lot of people who say he's a good person right now and he's not even dead yet.

[toptuan]

Most British and American funeral services would lead one to assume "yes." I've heard eulogies at the funerals of complete misanthropes and, for the life of me, thought someone had accidentally switched the script with another customer.

[elibangkok]

When Thaksin dies, will they say he was a good person?

There's a lot of people who say he's a good person right now and he's not even dead yet.

Fair enough, I guess the question should be whether we should ignore any negative deeds a person commits once they die. Whether it be Thaksin, MJ, or anyone else.

[Carib]

Well, at least I know that one day I will be seen as a good person too....

You are right Eli when someone dies, the "object" of frustration, or projection of our own feelings is gone. It is a dead fact, and the quest against the immoral ways of that person has become useless too. It is over.

Even with a body of a diseased person we tend to be more careful than when living. No bumps, no shocks no nothing.. It may disturb his or her`s peace...Sigh.

[G54]

When you are dead. That is it. All the Eulogies in the world cannot make you any better than you were in real life. For those who do not really know the person in question the Eulogy can be taken as some guide to the good things a person did in life. On the other hand people like the Krays (gangsters) will have a Eulogy saying - for example - how they loved their mother etc. Yet that does not make their murdering, gangster ways disappear.

It would not make Jack the Ripper a good person.

People like Tahksin seem to be equally loved and hated. So I suppose it depends on which point of view you have.

If you believe in God or whoever and some form of afterlife where you can be absolved of your sins, fine. Pay your penance in hel_l or in the next life and become better.

[Dakhar]

Guilty or not, as a musician he was very talentet and does and will forever rieng as the King of Pop.

Elvis "King of Rock" a drug head, and it could also be said a pedophile, marrying a 14 yr old girl, even in that generation was taboo.

Johny Cash - a pill poper - cheated on his wife etc etc.... but still a great artist, and in my opinion a good man.

Taxin - never met the guy, but I suspect he is a very arogant fellow, with some good intentions, and some not so good.

[edgarfriendly]

Interesting Question OP. may i pose another?

Does getting pregnant absolve a woman of lying, cheating, attempted murder, etc?

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E2A - No, dying does not someone a good person. however, people are free to choose their own way of rememberance.

perception is king.

[ballpoint]

When Thaksin dies, will they say he was a good person?

If he sees the error of his ways and tops himself they will.

[TexasRanger]

You can come out now Macaulay, it's all clear.

[Carib]

"Does getting pregnant absolve a woman of lying, cheating, attempted murder, etc?"

No, but it is blamed on hormones, so still not her fault..

[Heng]

It's mostly PC, but even then surely there are limits (ala Hitler, Pol Pot, etc.).

[MSingh]

Well everyone dies at some stage so whether it is to be thought that everyone's a good Person or not, i don't know, not in my World they're not though..

I'll give you a List of names of peiople that if they're not dead yet, will be one day, & you decide if because they die, they'll be good people or not, this may answer your original question..

Adolf Hitler

Pohl Pot

Ted Bundy

Gary Glitter/Paul Gadd

Mother Theresa

Brett Favre

Fred West

Rose West

David Beckham

[TexasRanger]

Well I don't think my old buddy Saddam was such a bad chap really.....

[slapout]

History seems to put a accurate perspective on many individuals/events, a generation or in many cases more, after the fact. A automobile is considered a antique after 50+_ years, thus the value seems to be established by a time line in specific cases. I guess it really comes down to whether you are promoting a product or are in the market to purchase same.

[jackdanielsesq]

Dunno - can I get back to ya on that?

BR>Jack

[dave111223]

How ever bad a person may be there are usually some people who cared about them, and I think out of common decency and respect for those how did care about the person, one should refrain from saying anything negative about the deceased.

Of course dying doesn't make one a "Good Person", but speaking ill of the dead will not make you a good person either.

And obviously there are limits...some people are just so evil that speaking ill of them is unavoidable...but i'd hardly put Michael Jackson in that group.

[gpdjohn]

Well I don't think my old buddy Saddam was such a bad chap really.....

All depends..

If it was you or one of your family members who had your/their hands burned off by his friends, or thrown off a roof while handcuffed...

Then you might feel different.

Just because you die dosen't make all your past go away..

What was that saying.." What you do in life, echos in eternity "

[jumnien]

There are those that desperately want us to remember OJ Simpson for his uncanny abilities to cut back against the defence and juke opposing linebackers. Some will remember Michael solely for his music and dance. Same, Same.

[elibangkok]

How ever bad a person may be there are usually some people who cared about them, and I think out of common decency and respect for those how did care about the person, one should refrain from saying anything negative about the deceased.

Of course dying doesn't make one a "Good Person", but speaking ill of the dead will not make you a good person either.

And obviously there are limits...some people are just so evil that speaking ill of them is unavoidable...but i'd hardly put Michael Jackson in that group.

Seems reasonable, I guess where we differ is that I believe Michael Jackson does belong in that group so speaking ill of him is unavoidable.

[flying]

speaking ill of him is unavoidable.

Mom always said you shouldn't speak ill of the dead....

Will your passing make you a good person?

[zaza]

Well I don't think my old buddy Saddam was such a bad chap really.....

Don't be surprised to find out that there are other quite few people share this same view with you.

[dave111223]

Seems reasonable, I guess where we differ is that I believe Michael Jackson does belong in that group so speaking ill of him is unavoidable.

For what reason?

[Jimjim]

I don't personally know much about Michael Jackson, so I can't really comment on that. Everyone has good in them. The OP seems to assume he was a bad person, probably because of all the stuff he's heard in the press, but who can say what's true?

[LongThaimer]

There seems to be a segment of posters who feel that once someone passes away, they are absolved of all wrongdoing.

This seems odd to me. I wonder if they feel this way about all people or just some?

Obviously, this has been brought up becuase of Michael Jackson's death.

When Thaksin dies, will they say he was a good person?

Curious as to others feelings on this. . .

if POL POT were to risen and die again of say brutal inhumane death, again and again still won't be seen as a good person............some people will remain evil eternally ...........

well, taksin is different, he is a politician but not a evil person.........despite his downfall there are people who still supports him and sees him as a good person perhaps till his death and beyond.......

[elibangkok]

I don't personally know much about Michael Jackson, so I can't really comment on that. Everyone has good in them. The OP seems to assume he was a bad person, probably because of all the stuff he's heard in the press, but who can say what's true?

I admit to not having first hand knowledge of any wrongdoing by Michael Jackson, but the preponderance of the evidence I have seen leads me to the conclusion that he had inappropriate relationships with children.

I am not assuming anything, just using my brain to come to a decision based on what I have seen and heard. If new evidence is presented, I will re-asses.

Also, I was disagreeing more with the premise that once someone dies, we should only comment on the good they have done.

[MRFortuner]

1. In your own words, please define the meaning of: ( 100 Mark )

a. Good _____________________________________

b. Evil _____________________________________

c. Right _____________________________________

d. Wrong ____________________________________

If you are in psychology, you will get 100 mark answering like this.

a. Good = The opposite of Evil to the extend of the individual/community/society thinks of Good.

b. Evil = The opposite of Good to the extend of the individual/community/society thinks of Evil.

c. Right = The opposite of Wrong to the extend of the individual/community/society thinks of Wrong.

d. Wrong = The opposite of Right to the extend of the individual/community/society thinks of Right.

***************************************************************************

If you are in humanities practices, you will get 100 mark answering like this.

a. Good = Be what 99.9% of the people that are being without questions asked.

b. Evil = Be what 99.9% of the people that is not being with many questions asked.

c. Right = Do what 99.9% of the people are doing without questions asked.

d. Wrong = Do what 99.9% of the people that are not doing with many questions asked.

[dave111223]

I don't personally know much about Michael Jackson, so I can't really comment on that. Everyone has good in them. The OP seems to assume he was a bad person, probably because of all the stuff he's heard in the press, but who can say what's true?

I admit to not having first hand knowledge of any wrongdoing by Michael Jackson, but the preponderance of the evidence I have seen leads me to the conclusion that he had inappropriate relationships with children.

I am not assuming anything, just using my brain to come to a decision based on what I have seen and heard. If new evidence is presented, I will re-asses.

Also, I was disagreeing more with the premise that once someone dies, we should only comment on the good they have done.

What 'evidence' is it you are referring to? I guess they were not privy to this 'evidence' at this trial when he was acquitted. Then again they probably didn't have a copy of TheSun handy...

[farseer]

Does dieing make you a good person?

Yes it does as you are no longer a bloody nuisance.