Fabrique - 300 Baht Entry Fee For Foreigners

[gatorhead333]

Cm96,

your generalizations are somewhat over the top but i feel your pain , meanwhile stop with the "white skin" stuff please.

We "aint" in hawaii!!(thank god!) we are in a place much much better .... get with the program!

no big surprises here ....

once you are in the know ,u learn to go with the flow and do not worry about chicken sh-- dough.don't sweat the little things...

The latest Stainless nokio,a fresh hair cut and a nice car does not a rich man make....

just get religious and praise the Lord you are in t-land a not a few hundred miles south in some hole like malaysian being beat/caned for a visa overstay unable to even find a decent watering hole!

cm96 nothing is perfect in life but this place is very sweet and easy ... so again,

do not sweat the little things

Breath deep now, relax and feel the energy of your body flow.

[gatorhead333]

CM96,

As i lay in bed with my CM girl she asked what i was working on now...

so i showed her your post /my reply/ur post/my reply....

she commented so these are one thai CM girls thoughts after reading our BS post,

" this is the cheapest place that is still nice and most likely why you are here so why are you whinning over unfortunate skin color and the few extra nickels and dimes charged by some ! still very cheap!! most likely y u r here.

so if you do not like how thai people do biz she asked kindly for you to just go home! " end of her comment.

c how easy thai people are !!! easy solution to problem!

Edited July 20, 2009 by gatorhead333

[Paagai]

g-head

the thais that can afford the latest nokias, hair-styles, souped up cars etc are NOT of modest means. i think you might be suprised just how

wealthy some thais are here. for paagay to call him a cheap charlie for bringing his own bottle aint right. he's right, the thais do it all the time,

the same thais that roll up in expensive cars, so who's the cheap charlie?

btw most of my friends here are thais, i have hardly any farang friends nor am i seeking any out.

Perhaps all your Thai friends are the rich Thai's you despise so much? You certainly haven't a clue about the average Thais who drink somehwere like Mandalay on a Friday night. Most of them live four or five up in a small room with no air con where they are still behind with the rent and:

Trandy haircut = 100 Bt from the mom and pop hairstylist operating out of a little box on the ground floor of their rooming house.

Latest Nokia = how the <deleted> am I going to pay the 1500 Bt per month that I stupidly signed up to pay for the next three years

Souped up car = Three up on a battered old honda wave with no brakes, one light and out of date tax.

Those aren't cheap charlies' they are just poor folk trying to survive. A cheap Charlie is someone who can afford the airfare to get to Thailand from Farangland and then lives like the above and complains about it.

cm96, you really should get out more.

[gatorhead333]

g-head

the thais that can afford the latest nokias, hair-styles, souped up cars etc are NOT of modest means. i think you might be suprised just how

wealthy some thais are here. for paagay to call him a cheap charlie for bringing his own bottle aint right. he's right, the thais do it all the time,

the same thais that roll up in expensive cars, so who's the cheap charlie?

btw most of my friends here are thais, i have hardly any farang friends nor am i seeking any out.

Perhaps all your Thai friends are the rich Thai's you despise so much? You certainly haven't a clue about the average Thais who drink somehwere like Mandalay on a Friday night. Most of them live four or five up in a small room with no air con where they are still behind with the rent and:

Trandy haircut = 100 Bt from the mom and pop hairstylist operating out of a little box on the ground floor of their rooming house.

Latest Nokia = how the <deleted> am I going to pay the 1500 Bt per month that I stupidly signed up to pay for the next three years

Souped up car = Three up on a battered old honda wave with no brakes, one light and out of date tax.

Those aren't cheap charlies' they are just poor folk trying to survive. A cheap Charlie is someone who can afford the airfare to get to Thailand from Farangland and then lives like the above and complains about it.

cm96, you really should get out more.

Paagai ,all very true. the real point is why even think in this way.the haircuts,phones folks have?? so off the wall hard to figure what is really the problem ,what is really on someones mind. now Thai peoples haircuts this is off the wall stuff.

the fact that there are some cover charges for farangs has been going on since before time began here so if someone is new here then sure at first some farangs with little money get upset but after a while one must just smile ,laugh and either pay or don't pay... life is so very easy in this respect so don't sweat the little, tiny, itty bitty things! As someone earlier with great wisdom mentioned " I will justs go down the street to the hundred other joints"

live is so easy in these matters if you must sweat..save it for life and death type deals .

Edited July 21, 2009 by gatorhead333

[WinnieTheKhwai]

Perhaps all your Thai friends are the rich Thai's you despise so much? You certainly haven't a clue about the average Thais who drink somehwere like Mandalay on a Friday night. Most of them live four or five up in a small room with no air con where they are still behind with the rent

Those aren't cheap charlies' they are just poor folk trying to survive.

Now I'm confused. A hefty cover charge keeps out the Farang riff raff who can't/won't spend money, but in case of Thai people it's a good thing to get the paupers in? How does that work? Or do you mean to say that they go there as part of their, um, 'night job' and it's part of the Mandagay business model?

Edit: I thought I was ridiculing you there, but reading it back it actually sounds rather plausible. I hate it when that happens.

Edited July 21, 2009 by WinnieTheKhwai

[Paagai]

Perhaps all your Thai friends are the rich Thai's you despise so much? You certainly haven't a clue about the average Thais who drink somehwere like Mandalay on a Friday night. Most of them live four or five up in a small room with no air con where they are still behind with the rent

Those aren't cheap charlies' they are just poor folk trying to survive.

Now I'm confused. A hefty cover charge keeps out the Farang riff raff who can't/won't spend money, but in case of Thai people it's a good thing to get the paupers in? How does that work? Or do you mean to say that they go there as part of their, um, 'night job' and it's part of the Mandagay business model?

Edit: I thought I was ridiculing you there, but reading it back it actually sounds rather plausible. I hate it when that happens.

Yet spend they do, and the money Mandagay makes on a table of Thai "paupers" selling them overpriced ice and mixers to go with their bottle(s) of Benmore all night is still more than they make on a lone Farang drinking a couple of bottles of Heineken, even after paying 300 Bt to get in.

There are those "NOT of modest means", as cm96 put it, but they will have at least a bottle of JW Red on the table.

I'm still amazed by the short term thinking of the pauper people: "We have just enough money to pay the rent next week, but we'll still have our Friday night out at Mandagay, then put the "latest Nokia" in the porn shop to pay the rent". Of course half of them are high as kites when they go out; not the best state for exerting efficient control on the cost of one's entertainment.

Your ridicule is more than plausible As the saying goes "you're never more than 6 feet from a rat", or in Mandagay.........

[Puwa]

CM96,

As i lay in bed with my CM girl she asked what i was working on now...

so i showed her your post /my reply/ur post/my reply....

she commented so these are one thai CM girls thoughts after reading our BS post,

" this is the cheapest place that is still nice and most likely why you are here so why are you whinning over unfortunate skin color and the few extra nickels and dimes charged by some ! still very cheap!! most likely y u r here.

so if you do not like how thai people do biz she asked kindly for you to just go home! " end of her comment.

c how easy thai people are !!! easy solution to problem!

Sounds like a real catch. Congratulations.

[Donnyboy]

[cm96]

I think some people lose their minds when they come here. My point was that since Paagai is using this thread just to call some farangs 'cheap charlies' for not just paying up with the farangs only cover charge, I would point out that some Thais of means are also 'cheap charlies'.

And Gatorhead, I think it's obvious to everyone that we can 'just go somewhere else'.

But neither of you are addressing the point of this thread.

So Do you? or Don't you? Think it's right to slap a cover charge on any and all farangs without giving a reason?

Imagine a club somewhere in north america, or australia, or canada or whereever adopting the policy of "All Thai people must pay cover charge", or "anyone who looks asian must pay cover charge" (with no reason given).

Regardless of how YOU feel about it, how do you think the Thai or Asian people would feel about it?

Do you think they would not even care enough to gripe about it on an anonymous forum? Do you think they would just bendover and pay it without questioning the policy? Do you think the club might be looking at lawsuits?

And yes, someone's deep thinking girlfriend might just declare; "if they dont like it, they should just get out". And by the way, are you saying because your Thai gf said this, that she speaks for most Thais?

In other words, If they dont like paying the 'farang only' cover charge, they should just get the hel_l out of the country?

Her statement pretty much legitimizes my point about the attitude of businesses that adopt the 'farang only cover charge'.

[kalbo123]

I think some people lose their minds when they come here. My point was that since Paagai is using this thread just to call some farangs 'cheap charlies' for not just paying up with the farangs only cover charge, I would point out that some Thais of means are also 'cheap charlies'.

And Gatorhead, I think it's obvious to everyone that we can 'just go somewhere else'.

But neither of you are addressing the point of this thread.

So Do you? or Don't you? Think it's right to slap a cover charge on any and all farangs without giving a reason?

Imagine a club somewhere in north america, or australia, or canada or whereever adopting the policy of "All Thai people must pay cover charge", or "anyone who looks asian must pay cover charge" (with no reason given).

Regardless of how YOU feel about it, how do you think the Thai or Asian people would feel about it?

Do you think they would not even care enough to gripe about it on an anonymous forum? Do you think they would just bendover and pay it without questioning the policy? Do you think the club might be looking at lawsuits?

And yes, someone's deep thinking girlfriend might just declare; "if they dont like it, they should just get out". And by the way, are you saying because your Thai gf said this, that she speaks for most Thais?

In other words, If they dont like paying the 'farang only' cover charge, they should just get the hel_l out of the country?

Her statement pretty much legitimizes my point about the attitude of businesses that adopt the 'farang only cover charge'.

Good post...!!!

Some off the posters (don't mean you) here think like the thais.. think...very shortminded..

[cmjantje]

I think some people lose their minds when they come here. My point was that since Paagai is using this thread just to call some farangs 'cheap charlies' for not just paying up with the farangs only cover charge, I would point out that some Thais of means are also 'cheap charlies'.

And Gatorhead, I think it's obvious to everyone that we can 'just go somewhere else'.

But neither of you are addressing the point of this thread.

So Do you? or Don't you? Think it's right to slap a cover charge on any and all farangs without giving a reason?

Imagine a club somewhere in north america, or australia, or canada or whereever adopting the policy of "All Thai people must pay cover charge", or "anyone who looks asian must pay cover charge" (with no reason given).

Regardless of how YOU feel about it, how do you think the Thai or Asian people would feel about it?

Do you think they would not even care enough to gripe about it on an anonymous forum? Do you think they would just bendover and pay it without questioning the policy? Do you think the club might be looking at lawsuits?

In Europe it would be a criminal offence called "discrimination"

And yes, someone's deep thinking girlfriend might just declare; "if they dont like it, they should just get out". And by the way, are you saying because your Thai gf said this, that she speaks for most Thais?

In other words, If they dont like paying the 'farang only' cover charge, they should just get the hel_l out of the country?

Her statement pretty much legitimizes my point about the attitude of businesses that adopt the 'farang only cover charge'.

[bojo]

Personally I prefer the term 'local discount' where dual pricing is applied. Unfortunately we live in Thailand and for anyone who thinks that the foreigner is going to get the same deal as locals (with a few welcome exceptions of course) is dreaming. It just isn't going to happen whether it be national parks or nightclubs and we, as foreigners have to accept that, much as we abhore it and I don't think one can argue the case of the role reversed for Thais abroad as we're here and that's what counts.

At the end of the day, it all boils down to demand and supply and I suspect that where a club is busy with locals, their voice is heard and maybe those influential locals don't really want foreigners mixing in their environment (checking out their girls and so forth) and the owners feel pressured to charge, thus a face saving exercise for all.

As I have mentioned recently in a similar thread, door policy is used worldwide to control who comes into a club and who goes in for free.

I would ask the question... where an owner of a club decides (his right, whether ethical or not) to let in foreigners and charge them 300b.... Is that not better than not letting foreigners in at all? Now that really would be discriminatory.

We have a choice as foreigners. Pay, go in and enjoy and consider ourselves privaledged that we we're allowed in, remembering that in some countries no matter how you dress and how much money you've got in your pocket, the 'not tonight, you're not on the list' attitude applies.

Or one can go elsewhere where one feels more welcome perhaps as it was free to get in and if the atmosphere is more foreigner friendly(less daggers from the locals), one will have a better time anyway.

regards Bojo

[caf]

Personally I prefer the term 'local discount' where dual pricing is applied. Unfortunately we live in Thailand and for anyone who thinks that the foreigner is going to get the same deal as locals (with a few welcome exceptions of course) is dreaming. It just isn't going to happen whether it be national parks or nightclubs and we, as foreigners have to accept that, much as we abhore it and I don't think one can argue the case of the role reversed for Thais abroad as we're here and that's what counts.

At the end of the day, it all boils down to demand and supply and I suspect that where a club is busy with locals, their voice is heard and maybe those influential locals don't really want foreigners mixing in their environment (checking out their girls and so forth) and the owners feel pressured to charge, thus a face saving exercise for all.

As I have mentioned recently in a similar thread, door policy is used worldwide to control who comes into a club and who goes in for free.

I would ask the question... where an owner of a club decides (his right, whether ethical or not) to let in foreigners and charge them 300b.... Is that not better than not letting foreigners in at all? Now that really would be discriminatory.

We have a choice as foreigners. Pay, go in and enjoy and consider ourselves privaledged that we we're allowed in, remembering that in some countries no matter how you dress and how much money you've got in your pocket, the 'not tonight, you're not on the list' attitude applies.

Or one can go elsewhere where one feels more welcome perhaps as it was free to get in and if the atmosphere is more foreigner friendly(less daggers from the locals), one will have a better time anyway.

regards Bojo

I take your point, Bojo

But you miss Fabrique's response in which they clearly disapprove of what you are condoning.

"I would like to apologize to all the foreigners who felt that they were taken advantage of by Fabrique Club. As the owner of Fabrique Club and as a thai person who studied in Europe (UK for 12 years) .

If any Bartenders or waiters DISRESPECT OR TAKEN ADVANTAGE of any foreigners please e-mail me the tag on their uniform to my e-mail address : and they will be KICKED OUT & WILL BE DEALT WITH SERIOUSLY (I HATE RICAST PEOPLE because when i study overseas no foreigners has done that to me).

FABRIQUE " Page 2 of this thread.

[Paagai]

I think some people lose their minds when they come here.

I assume you are speaking for yourself

My point was that since Paagai is using this thread just to call some farangs 'cheap charlies' for not just paying up with the farangs only cover charge,

Excuse me, please don't attribute things to me that I never said.

I agree with everyone here who says its discriminatory and wrong to charge people based on the colour of there skin. But TIT we ain't going to change anything. And the real point is they aren't discriminating against the colour of your skin, but against the stereotype they percieve goes with that skin colour. Show them you don't match that stereotype and you usually don't have to pay. Sweet

Edited July 22, 2009 by Paagai

[HTWoodson]

I agree with everyone here who says its discriminatory and wrong to charge people based on the colour of there skin. But TIT we ain't going to change anything. And the real point is they aren't discriminating against the colour of your skin, but against the stereotype they perceive goes with that skin colour. Show them you don't match that stereotype and you usually don't have to pay. Sweet

True, you are right. At least here you can produce a driver's license or work permit and probably get in without problem.

I would ask the question... where an owner of a club decides (his right, whether ethical or not) to let in foreigners and charge them 300b.... Is that not better than not letting foreigners in at all? Now that really would be discriminatory.

When I lived in Japan it was common that establishments wouldn't let "falang" in at all. But for some reason, call me crazy, that didn't bother me as much as the way it's handled here. In Japan the just say "Japanese only, sorry." Here in Thailand, it's more like "We don't want you, but we still want your money". I don't know why, maybe I'm completely irrational, but I'm more upset with the Thai attitude of "Your money is welcome here but you are not" than the Japanese "Sorry, no foreigners". I really don't have a logical reason, it's just an emotional response.

[caf]

I agree with everyone here who says its discriminatory and wrong to charge people based on the colour of there skin. But TIT we ain't going to change anything. And the real point is they aren't discriminating against the colour of your skin, but against the stereotype they perceive goes with that skin colour. Show them you don't match that stereotype and you usually don't have to pay. Sweet

True, you are right. At least here you can produce a driver's license or work permit and probably get in without problem.

I would ask the question... where an owner of a club decides (his right, whether ethical or not) to let in foreigners and charge them 300b.... Is that not better than not letting foreigners in at all? Now that really would be discriminatory.

When I lived in Japan it was common that establishments wouldn't let "falang" in at all. But for some reason, call me crazy, that didn't bother me as much as the way it's handled here. In Japan the just say "Japanese only, sorry." Here in Thailand, it's more like "We don't want you, but we still want your money". I don't know why, maybe I'm completely irrational, but I'm more upset with the Thai attitude of "Your money is welcome here but you are not" than the Japanese "Sorry, no foreigners". I really don't have a logical reason, it's just an emotional response.

I think you're right. I have no problem with the Japanese attitude. It is their business. But "your money is welcome but you are not" attitude is pathetic. Out of the tourist areas bangkok Chiangami etc the real thais are not a problem

Still no reply to the email I sent fabrique!! or any reply from him on this forum.

[ChiangMaiFun]

CM96,

As i lay in bed with my CM girl she asked what i was working on now...

so i showed her your post /my reply/ur post/my reply....

she commented so these are one thai CM girls thoughts after reading our BS post,

" this is the cheapest place that is still nice and most likely why you are here so why are you whinning over unfortunate skin color and the few extra nickels and dimes charged by some ! still very cheap!! most likely y u r here.

so if you do not like how thai people do biz she asked kindly for you to just go home! " end of her comment.

c how easy thai people are !!! easy solution to problem!

Oh yea that really helps the dying tourist trade! 'don't like it go home' cool thinking...

...I was recently asked to complete a very comprehensive survey about what farangs want/need and I hope TAT are actually going to 'think' about what we like/don't like to help us.

It's not as simple as 'don't like go home' - I for one DO believe if you really don't like a particular bar then vote with your feet - I won't be going back to Fabrique - but I doubt they will shed a tear sob sob - up to me chai mai

The double standards is a pain in the place where the sun don't shine - so don't go there. My point is that it IS RACIST and UNFAIR and you would not get away with it in Europe - but TIT. The owners post is a bit hypocritical as he claimed he had lived in Europe and my challenge was 'you didn't find this policy whilst you lived there - so please clarify'

I don't find double pricing in Hotshot or 95% most other places - so they will be getting my patronage.

Hey stop knocking Spicy!!! don't like it? don't go? (but don't go home as Thailand needs your dosh). I will say, however, that Spicy last weekend was full of young farangs of both sexes (not sure why) so I stayed about 10 minutes.

[ChiangMaiFun]

I think some people lose their minds when they come here. My point was that since Paagai is using this thread just to call some farangs 'cheap charlies' for not just paying up with the farangs only cover charge, I would point out that some Thais of means are also 'cheap charlies'.

And Gatorhead, I think it's obvious to everyone that we can 'just go somewhere else'.

But neither of you are addressing the point of this thread.

So Do you? or Don't you? Think it's right to slap a cover charge on any and all farangs without giving a reason?

Imagine a club somewhere in north america, or australia, or canada or whereever adopting the policy of "All Thai people must pay cover charge", or "anyone who looks asian must pay cover charge" (with no reason given).

Regardless of how YOU feel about it, how do you think the Thai or Asian people would feel about it?

Do you think they would not even care enough to gripe about it on an anonymous forum? Do you think they would just bendover and pay it without questioning the policy? Do you think the club might be looking at lawsuits?

And yes, someone's deep thinking girlfriend might just declare; "if they dont like it, they should just get out". And by the way, are you saying because your Thai gf said this, that she speaks for most Thais?

In other words, If they dont like paying the 'farang only' cover charge, they should just get the hel_l out of the country?

Her statement pretty much legitimizes my point about the attitude of businesses that adopt the 'farang only cover charge'.

Agreed - and Paggai has not addressed my pointing out his slightly 'muddled' thinking (no offence) about calling me a cheap charlie farang for taking in a bottle and the Thais...? who do the same same what? they are ok right? forget whether they are rich or not - does the same 'cheap charlie tag' apply hmmm?

[ChiangMaiFun]

Personally I prefer the term 'local discount' where dual pricing is applied. Unfortunately we live in Thailand and for anyone who thinks that the foreigner is going to get the same deal as locals (with a few welcome exceptions of course) is dreaming. It just isn't going to happen whether it be national parks or nightclubs and we, as foreigners have to accept that, much as we abhore it and I don't think one can argue the case of the role reversed for Thais abroad as we're here and that's what counts.

At the end of the day, it all boils down to demand and supply and I suspect that where a club is busy with locals, their voice is heard and maybe those influential locals don't really want foreigners mixing in their environment (checking out their girls and so forth) and the owners feel pressured to charge, thus a face saving exercise for all.

As I have mentioned recently in a similar thread, door policy is used worldwide to control who comes into a club and who goes in for free.

I would ask the question... where an owner of a club decides (his right, whether ethical or not) to let in foreigners and charge them 300b.... Is that not better than not letting foreigners in at all? Now that really would be discriminatory.

We have a choice as foreigners. Pay, go in and enjoy and consider ourselves privaledged that we we're allowed in, remembering that in some countries no matter how you dress and how much money you've got in your pocket, the 'not tonight, you're not on the list' attitude applies.

Or one can go elsewhere where one feels more welcome perhaps as it was free to get in and if the atmosphere is more foreigner friendly(less daggers from the locals), one will have a better time anyway.

regards Bojo

I take your point, Bojo

But you miss Fabrique's response in which they clearly disapprove of what you are condoning.

"I would like to apologize to all the foreigners who felt that they were taken advantage of by Fabrique Club. As the owner of Fabrique Club and as a thai person who studied in Europe (UK for 12 years) .

If any Bartenders or waiters DISRESPECT OR TAKEN ADVANTAGE of any foreigners please e-mail me the tag on their uniform to my e-mail address : and they will be KICKED OUT & WILL BE DEALT WITH SERIOUSLY (I HATE RICAST PEOPLE because when i study overseas no foreigners has done that to me).

FABRIQUE " Page 2 of this thread.

EXACTOMONDO!!!

[ChiangMaiFun]

I think some people lose their minds when they come here.

I assume you are speaking for yourself

My point was that since Paagai is using this thread just to call some farangs 'cheap charlies' for not just paying up with the farangs only cover charge,

Excuse me, please don't attribute things to me that I never said.

I agree with everyone here who says its discriminatory and wrong to charge people based on the colour of there skin. But TIT we ain't going to change anything. And the real point is they aren't discriminating against the colour of your skin, but against the stereotype they percieve goes with that skin colour. Show them you don't match that stereotype and you usually don't have to pay. Sweet

Hey dude - you did say that! you called ME a cheap charlie farang for taking in a bottle... but you have not stated your position on Thai's doing the same... withdraw your contradictory statement and just say 'TIT' but don't say I am 'CHEAP' and they are not... fair?

[bojo]

Personally I prefer the term 'local discount' where dual pricing is applied. Unfortunately we live in Thailand and for anyone who thinks that the foreigner is going to get the same deal as locals (with a few welcome exceptions of course) is dreaming. It just isn't going to happen whether it be national parks or nightclubs and we, as foreigners have to accept that, much as we abhore it and I don't think one can argue the case of the role reversed for Thais abroad as we're here and that's what counts.

At the end of the day, it all boils down to demand and supply and I suspect that where a club is busy with locals, their voice is heard and maybe those influential locals don't really want foreigners mixing in their environment (checking out their girls and so forth) and the owners feel pressured to charge, thus a face saving exercise for all.

As I have mentioned recently in a similar thread, door policy is used worldwide to control who comes into a club and who goes in for free.

I would ask the question... where an owner of a club decides (his right, whether ethical or not) to let in foreigners and charge them 300b.... Is that not better than not letting foreigners in at all? Now that really would be discriminatory.

We have a choice as foreigners. Pay, go in and enjoy and consider ourselves privaledged that we we're allowed in, remembering that in some countries no matter how you dress and how much money you've got in your pocket, the 'not tonight, you're not on the list' attitude applies.

Or one can go elsewhere where one feels more welcome perhaps as it was free to get in and if the atmosphere is more foreigner friendly(less daggers from the locals), one will have a better time anyway.

regards Bojo

I take your point, Bojo

But you miss Fabrique's response in which they clearly disapprove of what you are condoning.

"I would like to apologize to all the foreigners who felt that they were taken advantage of by Fabrique Club. As the owner of Fabrique Club and as a thai person who studied in Europe (UK for 12 years) .

If any Bartenders or waiters DISRESPECT OR TAKEN ADVANTAGE of any foreigners please e-mail me the tag on their uniform to my e-mail address : and they will be KICKED OUT & WILL BE DEALT WITH SERIOUSLY (I HATE RICAST PEOPLE because when i study overseas no foreigners has done that to me).

FABRIQUE " Page 2 of this thread.

EXACTOMONDO!!!

I have always believed in the saying 'birds of a feather....' and also feel that it's an owners right to have a door policy of his choosing and that genuinely, sometimes it might be better for some groups not to mix.

I don't like racist policies but living here, one has to accept them.

Where owners or club operators upset the foreigners, we can just vote with our feet. I do.

I must have missed the bit in the thread about 'don't want foreigners at Fabrique', I thought that was a comment made about Mandalay.

Nice of the 'so called' owner to write in and apologise. Did the other TV member/poster get an email back yet from the same owner, I seem to remember he was still waiting?

Regards Bojo

[caf]

Personally I prefer the term 'local discount' where dual pricing is applied. Unfortunately we live in Thailand and for anyone who thinks that the foreigner is going to get the same deal as locals (with a few welcome exceptions of course) is dreaming. It just isn't going to happen whether it be national parks or nightclubs and we, as foreigners have to accept that, much as we abhore it and I don't think one can argue the case of the role reversed for Thais abroad as we're here and that's what counts.

At the end of the day, it all boils down to demand and supply and I suspect that where a club is busy with locals, their voice is heard and maybe those influential locals don't really want foreigners mixing in their environment (checking out their girls and so forth) and the owners feel pressured to charge, thus a face saving exercise for all.

As I have mentioned recently in a similar thread, door policy is used worldwide to control who comes into a club and who goes in for free.

I would ask the question... where an owner of a club decides (his right, whether ethical or not) to let in foreigners and charge them 300b.... Is that not better than not letting foreigners in at all? Now that really would be discriminatory.

We have a choice as foreigners. Pay, go in and enjoy and consider ourselves privaledged that we we're allowed in, remembering that in some countries no matter how you dress and how much money you've got in your pocket, the 'not tonight, you're not on the list' attitude applies.

Or one can go elsewhere where one feels more welcome perhaps as it was free to get in and if the atmosphere is more foreigner friendly(less daggers from the locals), one will have a better time anyway.

regards Bojo

I take your point, Bojo

But you miss Fabrique's response in which they clearly disapprove of what you are condoning.

"I would like to apologize to all the foreigners who felt that they were taken advantage of by Fabrique Club. As the owner of Fabrique Club and as a thai person who studied in Europe (UK for 12 years) .

If any Bartenders or waiters DISRESPECT OR TAKEN ADVANTAGE of any foreigners please e-mail me the tag on their uniform to my e-mail address : and they will be KICKED OUT & WILL BE DEALT WITH SERIOUSLY (I HATE RICAST PEOPLE because when i study overseas no foreigners has done that to me).

FABRIQUE " Page 2 of this thread.

EXACTOMONDO!!!

I have always believed in the saying 'birds of a feather....' and also feel that it's an owners right to have a door policy of his choosing and that genuinely, sometimes it might be better for some groups not to mix.

I don't like racist policies but living here, one has to accept them.

Where owners or club operators upset the foreigners, we can just vote with our feet. I do.

I must have missed the bit in the thread about 'don't want foreigners at Fabrique', I thought that was a comment made about Mandalay.

Nice of the 'so called' owner to write in and apologise. Did the other TV member/poster get an email back yet from the same owner, I seem to remember he was still waiting?

Regards Bojo

He hasn't replied to anyone as i understand it.

He apologised and said he would sort his people out. He has of course not done so. It's business as usual.

It's his business and if he wants to traet farangs badly then we vote with our feet. What is disingenuous is that he says he will stop it but does not. An owner not in real control

[muggins]

He hasn't replied to anyone as i understand it.

He apologised and said he would sort his people out. He has of course not done so. It's business as usual.

It's his business and if he wants to traet farangs badly then we vote with our feet. What is disingenuous is that he says he will stop it but does not. An owner not in real control

You don't really believe that was the owner replying do you?!!!

[Paagai]

Hey dude - you did say that! you called ME a cheap charlie farang for taking in a bottle...

Absolutely true and I stand by that :D but that's not what cm96 attributed to me in the previous post............ here:

My point was that since Paagai is using this thread just to call some farangs 'cheap charlies' for not just paying up with the farangs only cover charge,

but you have not stated your position on Thai's doing the same... withdraw your contradictory statement and just say 'TIT' but don't say I am 'CHEAP' and they are not... fair?

I covered that back in Post #63

OK, so a Farang takes a bottle of whiskey into a Thai roadside bar/restaurant, no real problem, but doing so in a place like Fabrique, or Mandagay, where they sell the stuff is BEING CHEAP and uncool irrespective of what Thai's do.

Let me put it another way: just because we are in Thailand it doesn't mean its right for a Farang to do everything a Thai does. For example back in Farangland I'm sure you woud never:

1. Take a bottle of whiskey into a disco or nightclub
   
2. Use your hand and a bucket of water to wipe your arse
   

[muggins]

OK, so a Farang takes a bottle of whiskey into a Thai roadside bar/restaurant, no real problem, but doing so in a place like Fabrique, or Mandagay, where they sell the stuff is BEING CHEAP and uncool irrespective of what Thai's do.

In your eyes only. The only one looking down on the Farangs is you.

You shouldn't worry your  little head about other people's image, when your's is so obviously flawed.

[Paagai]

You shouldn't worry your  little head about other people's image, when your's is so obviously flawed.

Another keyboard coward who resorts to personal attacks when they can't win an argument.........

[muggins]

You shouldn't worry your  little head about other people's image, when your's is so obviously flawed.

Another keyboard coward who resorts to personal attacks when they can't win an argument.........

That's a good one 'keyboard coward'! Did you make that up by yourself?

I wasn't in an arguement. I was merely pointing out that the only one looking down on Farangs is you. Not your Thai friends. They're too busy enjoying themselves and are too respectful to be looking down on others. 

Do you need a hand getting down from your high horse?

As I said, don't worry your little head about other peoples image.

BTW, if it is an arguement ( I thought that was next door) I think my noble position puts me ahead of you.

Can we vote?

Edited July 24, 2009 by muggins

[PatinBKk]

Hey dude - you did say that! you called ME a cheap charlie farang for taking in a bottle...

Absolutely true and I stand by that but that's not what cm96 attributed to me in the previous post............ here:

My point was that since Paagai is using this thread just to call some farangs 'cheap charlies' for not just paying up with the farangs only cover charge,

but you have not stated your position on Thai's doing the same... withdraw your contradictory statement and just say 'TIT' but don't say I am 'CHEAP' and they are not... fair?

I covered that back in Post #63

OK, so a Farang takes a bottle of whiskey into a Thai roadside bar/restaurant, no real problem, but doing so in a place like Fabrique, or Mandagay, where they sell the stuff is BEING CHEAP and uncool irrespective of what Thai's do.

Let me put it another way: just because we are in Thailand it doesn't mean its right for a Farang to do everything a Thai does. For example back in Farangland I'm sure you woud never:

1. Take a bottle of whiskey into a disco or nightclub
   
2. Use your hand and a bucket of water to wipe your arse
   

When in Rome springs to mind....I always feel it best for immigrants to assimilate into the their adopted country and culture...but must say, us Franagos get away with a lot that the Thais wouldnt get away with...so all swings and roundabouts in the madhouse....is the place actually any good, whats the music like and the general atmosphere???

[ChiangMaiFun]

Hey dude - you did say that! you called ME a cheap charlie farang for taking in a bottle...

Absolutely true and I stand by that but that's not what cm96 attributed to me in the previous post............ here:

My point was that since Paagai is using this thread just to call some farangs 'cheap charlies' for not just paying up with the farangs only cover charge,

but you have not stated your position on Thai's doing the same... withdraw your contradictory statement and just say 'TIT' but don't say I am 'CHEAP' and they are not... fair?

I covered that back in Post #63

OK, so a Farang takes a bottle of whiskey into a Thai roadside bar/restaurant, no real problem, but doing so in a place like Fabrique, or Mandagay, where they sell the stuff is BEING CHEAP and uncool irrespective of what Thai's do.

Let me put it another way: just because we are in Thailand it doesn't mean its right for a Farang to do everything a Thai does. For example back in Farangland I'm sure you woud never:

1. Take a bottle of whiskey into a disco or nightclub
   
2. Use your hand and a bucket of water to wipe your arse
   

Utter BS - you have avoided the point - you are talking 'down' to farangs (Errr you are one right?) and your attitude of 'pretending to be Thai' is pretty pathetic quite honestly... and:

1. no I would not but I live here and it is common practise for Thai's (and farangs) to take in bottles - when in Rome

2. no I don't - and don't here either

You display a contempt for farangs and an ambition to be a pseudo Thai - everyone should be treated equally - it's an obvious axiom

[muggins]

Utter BS - you have avoided the point - you are talking 'down' to farangs (Errr you are one right?) and your attitude of 'pretending to be Thai' is pretty pathetic quite honestly... and:

1. no I would not but I live here and it is common practise for Thai's (and farangs) to take in bottles - when in Rome

2. no I don't - and don't here either

You display a contempt for farangs and an ambition to be a pseudo Thai - everyone should be treated equally - it's an obvious axiom

Take it easy on him, poor soul. 

I already told him off and I think he got quite upset.

He even accused me of being a coward!! (irrational I know, but it shows his state of mind).

I know he comes across as hard and arrogant, but he's probably the sensitive type and he's just trying to hide it.

I feel guilty now.

Edited July 24, 2009 by muggins