Pad Plans Lawsuit Against Pro-thaksin Petitioners

[churchill]

BANGKOK, Aug 10 (TNA) – Thailand’s yellow-shirted political activists the People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD) plan to file a criminal complaint against red-shirted anti-government activists seeking a royal pardon for self-exiled former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra, saying the move is intended to avoid confrontation between supporters and opponents of the campaign.

The PAD charged that the United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD) was trying to help the convicted prime minister escape the punishment assigned by the country’s legal system.

PAD spokesman Panthep Pourpongpan said PAD lawyer Suwat Apaisak will distribute a complaint letter to the public when filing the group’s complaint against the UDD leaders.

The letter will be also available online for downloading.

The PAD will file a criminal complaint against Veera Musikapong, Jatuporn Prompan and Nattawut Saikua, who initiated the signature collection campaign to seek a royal pardon for Mr Thaksin, Mr Panthep said, accusing the UDD leaders of helping a convicted felon to avoid punishment and contempt of court.

He also warned that petitioners will face up to seven years imprisonment if they do not withdraw their names from the petition.

The PAD spokesman noted that Mr Thaksin’s family members and close relatives, as well as the UDD core leaders, failed to join the signature-collection campaign as they may have known that the move might violate the law, so they instead persuaded innocent people to add their endorsements.

Mr Panthep claimed that some PAD supporters in the provinces showed interest in joining the move to file complaints to the police.

Mr Thaksin, ousted in a coup in 2006, was sentenced in absentia last October by a Bangkok court to two years imprisonment for abuse of power by helping his then wife acquiring a parcel of prime Bangkok commercial property at a far below market price. (TNA)

http://enews.mcot.net/view.php?id=11237

-- TNA 10/08/09

[churchill]

"He also warned that petitioners will face up to seven years imprisonment if they do not withdraw their names from the petition"

a few more prisons will be needed !

Edited August 10, 2009 by churchill

[barrybankruad]

"He also warned that petitioners will face up to seven years imprisonment if they do not withdraw their names from the petition"

a few more prisons will be needed !

What about the prolple who signed the "petition against the petition". If it wasn't about such a serious subject it would be considered a joke. Surely the rest of the world is laughing at what is going on in the LOS at the moment?

[LaoPo]

BANGKOK, Aug 10 (TNA) – Thailand’s yellow-shirted political activists the People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD) plan to file a criminal complaint against red-shirted anti-government activists seeking a royal pardon for self-exiled former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra, saying the move is intended to avoid confrontation between supporters and opponents of the campaign.

..is the PAD also planning to file complaints against yellow-shirted protesters who blocked the airports ?

Would be good business for construction companies, building new prisons, and also good for jobless people, applying for prison guards; also good for...you name it

LaoPo

[mauGR1]

BANGKOK, Aug 10 (TNA) – Thailand's yellow-shirted political activists the People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD) plan to file a criminal complaint against red-shirted anti-government activists seeking a royal pardon for self-exiled former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra, saying the move is intended to avoid confrontation between supporters and opponents of the campaign.

The PAD charged that the United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD) was trying to help the convicted prime minister escape the punishment assigned by the country's legal system.

PAD spokesman Panthep Pourpongpan said PAD lawyer Suwat Apaisak will distribute a complaint letter to the public when filing the group's complaint against the UDD leaders.

The letter will be also available online for downloading.

The PAD will file a criminal complaint against Veera Musikapong, Jatuporn Prompan and Nattawut Saikua, who initiated the signature collection campaign to seek a royal pardon for Mr Thaksin, Mr Panthep said, accusing the UDD leaders of helping a convicted felon to avoid punishment and contempt of court.

He also warned that petitioners will face up to seven years imprisonment if they do not withdraw their names from the petition.

The PAD spokesman noted that Mr Thaksin's family members and close relatives, as well as the UDD core leaders, failed to join the signature-collection campaign as they may have known that the move might violate the law, so they instead persuaded innocent people to add their endorsements.

Mr Panthep claimed that some PAD supporters in the provinces showed interest in joining the move to file complaints to the police.

Mr Thaksin, ousted in a coup in 2006, was sentenced in absentia last October by a Bangkok court to two years imprisonment for abuse of power by helping his then wife acquiring a parcel of prime Bangkok commercial property at a far below market price. (TNA)

http://enews.mcot.net/view.php?id=11237

-- TNA 10/08/09

Interesting paragraph,if confirmed.

[Ferwert]

This PAD/old paternalistic politics information piece doesn't need comment.

It speaks for itself.

Nothing I could say would add to its'.....what shall I say.....is "--------------------" too strong a word?

Yeah, that is too strong a word.

They have the right to express themselves via the adoring public media.

And now there is a small window-of-opportunity to make some noise, while the "citizen's supplication" is winding its' way through the process.

The opposition is frantically trying to create a basis upon which it can be rejected in a face-saving way.

Making lots of noise at this juncture, with press releases, faux research reports, solemn declarations by important people, etc., etc. is neccesary.

I'm sure 5.4 Million fearful people will all run out and recant.

Sort of funny, actually, imagining that!

I wonder what the Huge....yes huge...Pro-democracy Red Shirt Rally last night in Chiang Mai makes of these attempts. This rally, plus Sundays' very large one in Udon Thani are the rallies the media has kept you so well informed about.

But that is probably just an oversight.

I am sure they will report on the next ones in Mukhdahan on the 15th, and the one in Ratchaburi on the 13th.

The domestic media will keep you farangs in-the-dark about this.

Your other source, the inconsequential foreign media, will do their "if it's not happening in BKK, it's not happening" thing. When those huge regional rallies return to BKK, the foreign media will breathlessly report that "the red shirts have started up again"

But only if there is some form of confrontation. Otherwise their readership will not be interested. And I understand that. They have political intrigue in their own countries.

Edited August 11, 2009 by Ferwert

[junkofdavid2]

Why doesn't PAD instead come up with their own 3 million signatures?

Oh, I forgot; all-in-all, in total they number about...

[Ferwert]

My biased view about why the PAD/old paternalistic politics people could never come up with huge numbers akin to a 5.4M petition, is that it is not a "peoples movement", such as the pro-democracy Red Shirts.

I would characterise it more as being representative of powerful elites of Fundamental, traditional hardliners.

These are not in the majority, but are the most powerful.

Hence their so-called "New Politics" is primarily an amalgam of old-style Paternalistic ideas that have deep roots in history - but not democratic roots.

Like I said...my thoroughly biased views, with opposing views being equally valid.

Edited August 11, 2009 by Ferwert

[animatic]

Paternalism has roots so deep into the Thai psyche and history, it's not so simple a thing to just

displace this and insert : X as a new way of life. And make no mistakes this is a deeply, to the bone,

ingrained way of life.

That said it doesn't mean gradual change, with out drastic social displacements, can and should happen.

Too fast and there are problems, and usually the LITTLE people are the ones hurt by these drastic changes.

And therein lies the problem. Some push for faster changes, but for ulterior motives, typically power or philosophy.

Hard to tell which one is worse: The power mad tyrant, or the zealous true believer, at the wheel...

But a tyrant controlling a phalanx of hoodwinked true believers is likely the MOST to be feared,

by those wishing to have reasonable free will and prosperity, without harming others.

Many of the wants and desires on a basic level of up country people are wisely chosen and worthy.

But how they harness that desire and make it effective is a whole other ballgame.

Some try to grab the whole enchilada ASAP, while others hope for some reasonable change,

but grasp to the same puyais and petty tyrants they always have, because they know no alternatives.

Or are just plain too tired and old to change or perceive a coming change is actual possible.

Old dog new trick syndrome, not specific to country, age, time frame or status.

While PAD isn't a completely spent bolt, they are not anywhere near as on point as they once were,

nor can they be expected to be. Nor should they be. The game is moving past where their stalking horse

moves have a suitable utility, yet that haven't faded away yet. Sort of a headless horseman,

swinging the sword aimlessly, not realizing there is no one at home at the top anymore.

Arguing their past propositions, is a rather a moot exercise, left only for those defending

the Red excesses as a comparison model. Moot, destitute and shabbily hirstute.

Nope it's a new world and a rainbow of unknowns stretch before. Hold your hats folks.

Au revoir Mr. Ferwert. Happy fencing in the next life.

Edited August 11, 2009 by animatic

[jasreeve17]

Paternalism has roots so deep into the Thai psyche and history, it's not s simple thing to just

displace this and insert : X as a new way of life. And make no mistakes this is a deeply, to the bone,

ingrained way of life. That said it doesn't mean gradual change, with out drastic social displacements,

can and should happen. Too fast and there are problems, and usually the LITTLE people are the ones

hurt by these drastic changes. And therein lies the problem. Some push for faster changes,

but for ulerior motives, typically power or philosophy.

Hard to tell which one is worse: The power mad tyrant, or the zealitous true believer...

But a tyrant controlling a phalanx of hoodwinked true believers is likely the MOST to be feared,

by those wishing to have reasonable free will and prosperity, without harming others.

Many of the wants and desires on a basic level of up country people are wisely chosen and worthy.

But how they harness that desire and make it effective is a whole other ballgame.

Some try to grab the whole enchilada ASAP, while others hope for some reasonable change, but grasp to

the same puyais and petty tyrants they always have, because they know no alternatives.

Or are to tired and old to change or perceive a coming change is actual possible.

While PAD isn't a completely spent bolt, they are not anywhere near as on point as they once were,

nor can they be expected to be. Nor should the be. The game is moving past where their stalking horse

moves have a suitable utility, yet that haven't faded away yet. Sort of a head less horseman,

swinging the sword aimlessly, not realizing there is NO one at home at the top anymore.

Arguing their past propositions, is a rather a moot exercise, left only for those defending the Red excesses

as a comparison model. Moot, destitute and shabbily hirstute.

Nope it's a new world and a rainbow of unknowns stretch before. Hold your hats folks.

Au revoir Mr. Ferwert. Happy fencing in the next life.

? ?

[jasreeve17]

Lawsuits against petitioners: democracy at work... the mighty Peoples Power for Democracy strike again...

(Better to hold violent protests and high-jack airports & governments offices?)

These people are truly insane.

[Gary A]

Criminal acts? I would view the terrorist closing of the airports as being much more serious than any of Thaksin's crimes. If a tsunami occurs and another disaster occurs because the government is too incompetent to replace the battery in an early warning device, That is also worse. I will have more respect for the government when I see thieving politicians go to jail for being thieves.

[Mario2008]

Lets stay on topic here. Being discussed is the PAD plan to file a lawsuit. Any further off topic comments will be deleted. The current political situation in general is already being discussed enough in other threads.

[catmac]

The PAD spokesman noted that Mr Thaksin's family members and close relatives, as well as the UDD core leaders, failed to join the signature-collection campaign as they may have known that the move might violate the law, so they instead persuaded innocent people to add their endorsements.

Interesting paragraph,if confirmed.

Would be interesting if we only knew what the "PAD spokesman" actually meant. Is he saying that Mr Thaksin's family members, et al, didn't actually sign the petition or that they didn't take any part in organising it? If the former, then that would be quite understandable since the whole point of a petition is to show that ordinary people feel strongly about something - if all the names were just core activists in UDD, then it simply wouldn't have the same impact. If the latter, and the words "failed to join the signature-collection campaign" lead to that impression, then how on Earth can they be guilty of this latest piece of PAD nonsense?

As so often when the lunatic fringe of PAD is running amock, to threaten anyone just signing a petition with 7 years imprisonment just goes to show what a sad, sad place Thailand is becoming. A little bit more like Burma every day!

[Thai at Heart]

so they instead persuaded innocent people to add their endorsements.

Interesting word

They are according to the statement "innocent" people who could face 7 years in jail for being innocent.

I hope this spokesman isn't a lawyer also. Unwitting would have been a better choice of word.

[animatic]

"innocent" as in like undereducated naive , unknowing of the repercussions.

Because this is new, and they have no other source for info for it's legal status,

than those telling them sign here and Dr. T. will comeback and fix EVERYTHING

for YOU, since only HE can... etc.

Deprived of alternate sides of a story makes for a innocence and sincerity based on a false flag .

But as they say in court ; Ignorance is no excuse for breaking the law.

Being Thaksin shouldn't be either...

Edited August 11, 2009 by animatic

[h90]

BANGKOK, Aug 10 (TNA) – Thailand's yellow-shirted political activists the People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD) plan to file a criminal complaint against red-shirted anti-government activists seeking a royal pardon for self-exiled former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra, saying the move is intended to avoid confrontation between supporters and opponents of the campaign.

The PAD charged that the United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD) was trying to help the convicted prime minister escape the punishment assigned by the country's legal system.

PAD spokesman Panthep Pourpongpan said PAD lawyer Suwat Apaisak will distribute a complaint letter to the public when filing the group's complaint against the UDD leaders.

The letter will be also available online for downloading.

The PAD will file a criminal complaint against Veera Musikapong, Jatuporn Prompan and Nattawut Saikua, who initiated the signature collection campaign to seek a royal pardon for Mr Thaksin, Mr Panthep said, accusing the UDD leaders of helping a convicted felon to avoid punishment and contempt of court.

He also warned that petitioners will face up to seven years imprisonment if they do not withdraw their names from the petition.

The PAD spokesman noted that Mr Thaksin's family members and close relatives, as well as the UDD core leaders, failed to join the signature-collection campaign as they may have known that the move might violate the law, so they instead persuaded innocent people to add their endorsements.

Mr Panthep claimed that some PAD supporters in the provinces showed interest in joining the move to file complaints to the police.

Mr Thaksin, ousted in a coup in 2006, was sentenced in absentia last October by a Bangkok court to two years imprisonment for abuse of power by helping his then wife acquiring a parcel of prime Bangkok commercial property at a far below market price. (TNA)

http://enews.mcot.net/view.php?id=11237

-- TNA 10/08/09

Interesting paragraph,if confirmed.

I read somewhere that the family members did not sign

[h90]

Criminal acts? I would view the terrorist closing of the airports as being much more serious than any of Thaksin's crimes. If a tsunami occurs and another disaster occurs because the government is too incompetent to replace the battery in an early warning device, That is also worse. I will have more respect for the government when I see thieving politicians go to jail for being thieves.

[Plus]

Reds want to help Thaksin to avoid serving his sentence. What else it is if not helping a convict to avoid his punishment?

Reds do not accept the court's decision. What else it is if not contempt?

Which one of Thaksin/red supporters here would claim otherwise?

Is PAD charge going to work? Not in Thailand at this moment, but the point has been made - the petition can be considered unlawful and prosecutable. Lots of people have been saying this all along, just no one pointed the exact reasons. Now PAD went public with it.

With allegedly millions of signatures it is impossible to act on and everybody outside red circle already knows they have gone completely mad. The question was always about what to do about alleged millions of brain dead idiots who signed this nonsensical petition.

Why this petiton doesn't make any sense has been explained millions of times already, from asking forgivenss for crimes they don't admit, to asking the King to fix the economy.

So they got (alleged) millions signing on, but even if everybody in a loony house uses a fork to pick up his/her nose, it still doesn't make it right.

Now the Interior Minister claims 4 million signed against it, or withdrew their signatures. It is probably no more true that 5 million red signatures no one has ever seen. PR numbers for the gullible.

[catmac]

The question was always about what to do about alleged millions of brain dead idiots who signed this nonsensical petition.

Glad to see your true colours coming out, Plus. The utter contempt you show to any Thai who doesn't grovel to the present ruling Bangkok elite is a wonder to behold! Could be one ofthe reasons why they would even have that wily old devil Thaksin back, at least he treated them like human beings.