Work Permit- Some Disturbing Issues

[erezsp]

I'm 40 yo ,and was planning recently to start my own business of a small pastry shop here (Bkk) ,by establishing my own company (with the registered capital needed and a Thai partner holding a majority of the shares...).

My doubts started as soon as I tackled the WP issue.My initial plan to work in my business ,doing what I'm best at- cooking my pastries using my skills as a highly professional chef .Apparently,that is not as simple as I thought- I was told that basically ,even with a proper WP I'm not allowed to do tasks that a Thai person can do.How far does that rules go? is it that strict when it comes to practice(frankly,I've seen so many farang chefs around and I presume they are not here just for their uniform...)?

I would appreciate anyone's insight on that matter(including similar personal experience).

Another related issue is concerning the number of Thai national employees needed .Is it possible to be able to hire less than 4 people (at least for the start up period) ?I was informed that in Bkk area it is possible to get a WP with only 1 Thai employee the 1st year,and only 2 Thai employees on 2nd year forward.Is that so?....

[thaiphoon]

You will not get a WP for a role which takes away basic Thai jobs. Maybe the farang chefs you refer to work for large international hotels where the catering knowledge extends significantly beyond just thai food.

I hear (from Sunbelt) Bangkok Labour Department can be flexible on the 4:1 rule in early startups, as long as they can see the business plans and the need for further thai employees to reach the 4:1 ratio in the short term. But it is all down to the official on the day. My suggestion would be for you to use a reputable agent to present/push your case.

[samran]

plenty of work permits for managers who train and then supervise their staff. Doesn't stop you from getting your hands dirty.....

The whole point of these type of systems is that you are transfering knowledge. Whether that happens or not can be debated...

[Mario2008]

As Samran pointed out, it is often a question of having a good jobdescription and a respected lawfirm can do wonders in that regard, especialy when you start your business it might be worth while.

[mauGR1]

As Samran pointed out, it is often a question of having a good jobdescription and a respected lawfirm can do wonders in that regard, especialy when you start your business it might be worth while.

I agree

[Benjie]

"Pastry Consultant"

[samran]

"Pastry Consultant"

Pastry engineer!!!

[erezsp]

As Samran pointed out, it is often a question of having a good jobdescription and a respected lawfirm can do wonders in that regard, especialy when you start your business it might be worth while.

Lets assume I do get the WP ,using the right job description....then what comes next? As a pastry consultant would I still be able to "put my hands in the dough" (literally meaning..) ? I do intend to have some Thais with me,but I still would like to be able to do things in my kitchen, myself ,without worrying about inspections or being delivered to the authorities by some "happy" neighbors....