Chaiyasit Expresses Support For Coup

[dre1247]

Some naive posts...

Any, ANY senior army official talking support of an army coup should be immediately stripped of his rank, tried, prosecuted and locked up.

Sadly the old prat is a FORMER Supreme Commander.

Maybe retract his pension.... And future access to his former title too,

that's a nice fat face slap for sure.

This is either;

a ) basically telling the Thaksin factions in the army the time maybe near.

b ) hoping to make the opposition nervous and more likely to make a mistake.

Either way a despicable act most anywhere, even Thailand.

Please rewire your translator, we have agreed 3 times in one week.

The sky has fallen, and hit me, and my head hurts.

Sorry guys, with all due respect for your mostly misguided opinions. Thailand is not at all ready for democracy, the style our western influenced writers aspire. First, more education for the voters so they understand the responsibility of what voting implicates, more specifically what SELLING a vote implicates. I believe in a dictator ship, let well. a benevolent dictatorship. Not a dictator disguising as a democratilally chosen leader as was recently exposed. I know this will be hard to realise the options we have now I would say, anything is better. Maybe some time in the future, after proper education Thailand could embark on this path, don't forget how unrealistic it is to compare Asia wit the west, different mind, rules, feelings you name it what. No, a benevolent dictatorship would be preferable over what is waiting for us when we insist on new elections. Think before you answer, read carefully.

Further more this is something to think about as well.

Democracy as we all realise by now, is so wonderful. Therefore these straightforward questions must be asked.

"Why do governments only rarely or never use referendums (referendums are 'democratically' prohibited in Germany) on important matters and allow the majority to make the decisions that affect their lives?"

"Why is democracy not used in the military system anywhere in the world? We know that the military uses the utmost dictatorial form of control in order to maximise its efficiency. Hence, if democracy does not work in the most efficient form of existence, in the military, why should it work in our daily lives?"

"Why is democracy never used in the corporate business system, which is the financial engine of the world and especially the democratic system?"

"Why do businesses of all styles and sizes have bosses running them, and not their employees having a say in the management by using a democratic vote?"

Test: Ask any voter, in any democratic country, about his or her own democratic system the simple question. "How many seats does your Parliament hold?" and wait for the answer.

Answer: The vast majority of the population has no idea at all.

Democracy is a clever scam that persuades the many, that by having a right to vote for who is elected to represent them, that they hold the keys of power. In reality its real purpose is to give the power to the few for the sole benefit of the few. Thus the few have the protection of the many that voted for their elected representative.

Take your time, don't rush....

[givenall]

Shinawatra family, the true bastion of democracy.

These are the same people (Red Shirt) who are pretending to push for Democracy, and since they don’t get their way, ten let’s have a coup. Amazing

[scorecard]

Coup? No coup? Government? No government? There is no discussion in this topic. Corruption needs to cease across the board and no matter who is in power, this subject will never be addressed. Thailand is in a quagmire.

AGREE.

And the nly way out is for Thais at arge to get serious and get involved by refusing to vote for the current leeches, thugs and thiefs we call politicians.

As long as the populace sits by idly, these greedy thieves will contoinue to play whatever games are needed to protect their ill gotten money streams. Simple as that.

[basjke]

Chaiyasit Expresses Support For Coup, Former supreme commander expressed support for another coup

Thaksin Awaits Miracle So He Can Return Home: Cousin

Dr Panitarn: No Emergency Decree During Pm´s Visit To Us

Prawit: Army Won't Use Force On Sept 19, The military will not use force against the red-shirt protesters

Four topic titles from the last few days that speak for themselves.

Do I need to make a drawing to explain what will happen on 20 september?

[givenall]

Coups are bad but if thats the only way to kick out dictator like _________then I'm all for it !!

Coups are bad unless it gets me what I want

[toptuan]

Backing up their actions, 70 years and 18 coups later, the Thai military becomes openly direct about their own role in the country's politics.

IMHO, so great to have the all-wise "gods" above the law and democracy itself to set the voters straight when they err in their choices. I wince every time the USA ("champion of democracy") carries out annual joint exercises with this defiantly anti-democratic segment of Thai society.

"Former army chief Chaisit Shinawatra said on Saturday that he would support another military coup if it can help the country get out of political crisis.

“The coup-makers must settle social division, create the right path for the country and return power to the people as soon as possible”, Gen Chaisit said."

The Bangkok Post 12/09/2009 at 11:43 AM

What he was thinking: "...return power to the pro-elite people who help keep us in the position of ultimate power..."

You are aware that it's general Chaisit Shinawatra speaking right?

You are also aware that Thanksin's last name is Shinawatra... right?

WRONG!

[noithip]

Sorry guys, with all due respect for your mostly misguided opinions. Thailand is not at all ready for democracy, the style our western influenced writers aspire. First, more education for the voters so they understand the responsibility of what voting implicates, more specifically what SELLING a vote implicates. I believe in a dictator ship, let well. a benevolent dictatorship. Not a dictator disguising as a democratilally chosen leader as was recently exposed. I know this will be hard to realise the options we have now I would say, anything is better. Maybe some time in the future, after proper education Thailand could embark on this path, don't forget how unrealistic it is to compare Asia wit the west, different mind, rules, feelings you name it what. No, a benevolent dictatorship would be preferable over what is waiting for us when we insist on new elections. Think before you answer, read carefully.

Further more this is something to think about as well.

Democracy as we all realise by now, is so wonderful. Therefore these straightforward questions must be asked.

"Why do governments only rarely or never use referendums (referendums are 'democratically' prohibited in Germany) on important matters and allow the majority to make the decisions that affect their lives?"

"Why is democracy not used in the military system anywhere in the world? We know that the military uses the utmost dictatorial form of control in order to maximise its efficiency. Hence, if democracy does not work in the most efficient form of existence, in the military, why should it work in our daily lives?"

"Why is democracy never used in the corporate business system, which is the financial engine of the world and especially the democratic system?"

"Why do businesses of all styles and sizes have bosses running them, and not their employees having a say in the management by using a democratic vote?"

Test: Ask any voter, in any democratic country, about his or her own democratic system the simple question. "How many seats does your Parliament hold?" and wait for the answer.

Answer: The vast majority of the population has no idea at all.

Democracy is a clever scam that persuades the many, that by having a right to vote for who is elected to represent them, that they hold the keys of power. In reality its real purpose is to give the power to the few for the sole benefit of the few. Thus the few have the protection of the many that voted for their elected representative.

Take your time, don't rush....

I agree! Democracy is nothing more than a word, that makes people think they actually have some power, which is BS it's all up to the upper few, wherever you look. Democracy sounded good 100 years ago but should be obvious by now that we don't really deside anything important in reality. Elections are always the question of "the lesser evil" and economy is always doing best when there is no "opposition". Look at China and Russia they seem to be the only ones that are increasing their power day by day. Why? Nobody to ask or argue with. I know that people will start to flame me for this but honestly don't you think Marx had a good idea/perception of what was/is going on? Did communism work? Why not?

Any system be it Democracy, Communism or what ever are just making the essential issues look different, still the people in power are in power not because they are great humans, but because they serve "the elite's" interest. "The elite", a word used a lot by certain posters, is divided everywhere in the world, obviously since it is all about business inerests. So different companies/people are funding the Republicans- Democrats, CDU-SPD, Phuea Thai or Democrats and all of them have to deliver.

Politics is Business and not much more, the big businesses are controling the countries, give me an example where this is not true.

Thailand is a small but geographically important place in this world, bigger more powerful nations have their interests in by whom and how the country should be "handled".

Thailands move to become a "democracy" in 1932 was the biggest mistake of all, it should have stayed a absulute monarchy for another 60 years at least. Then most of the problems of today wouldn't be there. The nation wasn't ready but it was important to the western powers for their own interests.

(yes I'm one of this royalists some of you hate so much)

Edited September 12, 2009 by webfact
comment regarding HM has been deleted

[Changian]

I'm hoping for another coup. Got my name in the Daily Telegraph when a desperate hack emailed me for a reaction to the 2006 coup. Aiming for The Times this time.

[Scott]

People have been warned about using the proper names of people. Post deleted.

[Lite Beer]

Post questioning Moderation Deleted.

[Scott]

And some more posts deleted. In this particular thread the discussion involves more than one person with the same last name. So, I am not sure who fat head is. Perhaps with some warnings and posting holidays, people can put the proper names in.

Thanks

[Thai at Heart]

Normally, people don't advertise a week in advance for a coup.

How soon we forget.

In Thailand the military DOES advertise in advance for their coups.

However, it's via reverse psychology: "We assure the nation, there WON'T be a coup!" (August, 2006)

In football (Soccer for the Americans) that is the same as the manager getting "The full support of the Board of Directors" on Friday, only to be sacked on Monday.

Edited September 12, 2009 by Thai at Heart

[Lite Beer]

Post questioning moderation deleted.

[Plus]

So, will the reds move their 19 September demo to Chaisit's house and tell those Shinawatras to stop fuc_king with the country?

Chaisit is not only a former Supreme Commander, he is also in charge of PTP MPs. Can we expect reds to abandon that coup supporting party and switch to Abhisit instead?

What I don't know is where the anti-coup red sympathizers will turn to now.

[grandpops]

Shinawatra family, the true bastion of democracy.

These are the same people (Red Shirt) who are pretending to push for Democracy, and since they don't get their way, ten let's have a coup. Amazing

Looks like the best option after 70 years of coups aimed against anybody the ruling hi-sos take a dislike to. By that I mean poor people that are "too stupid" to vote for the right party (democrats).

So glad that you newbies have such a handle on Thai politics. What would we do without your wise words!

[dre1247]

Shinawatra family, the true bastion of democracy.

These are the same people (Red Shirt) who are pretending to push for Democracy, and since they don't get their way, ten let's have a coup. Amazing

Looks like the best option after 70 years of coups aimed against anybody the ruling hi-sos take a dislike to. By that I mean poor people that are "too stupid" to vote for the right party (democrats).

So glad that you newbies have such a handle on Thai politics. What would we do without your wise words!

And grandpops, what are your qualifications to "understand" Thai politics better than newbies? By the way, don't mix stupid and uneducated for that's real stupid, or is it now uneducated?? hahaha. I know people who are over 40 years in Thailand and yet can't speak a word of Thai and have no idea whats going on. And then I know others who arrived a few years ago and are on the ball. That's why grandpops (sound old you know) what makes you better than them?? A few lines will do..

[ThNiner]

So, will the reds move their 19 September demo to Chaisit's house and tell those Shinawatras to stop fuc_king with the country?

That would be funny as hel_l!

[Sisaketmike]

Chaiyasit expresses support for coup

Former supreme commander Chaiyasit Shinawatra Saturday expressed support for another coup.

He was asked by reporters to comment on speculations that a new coup might be staged if the red-shirt people turn violent again during the rally on September 19, the third anniversary of the last coup.

"I agree with a coup if it can improve Thailand but it must be able to renew politics and end conflicts in the country and create a right path for the country," Chaiyasit said.

-- The Nation 2009/09/12

'Former Supreme Commander' Chaijasit expressed support for another coup? Of course one of Thaksins fellows. How can a coup improve Thailand? And to renew politics? To end conflicts in the country? The red shirt conflict? Or the violence in the south? ( Remember Khun Taxi made different zones: Red zones were places where most terrorists came from, no money. But they moved to green areas later... (Should be for the red shirted people too, yellow tor those areas with 'not many' terrorists, only some money from the government, and last but not least, the green areas with full financial support.) "To create a right path for the country'. What should that mean, Mr. Chaiyasit? All people who're planning a coup now should think about that this would give the country the rest. A revolution, only red and yellow shirts fighting together? Mai Kau Tchai, Khun Chaiyasit.

Edited September 12, 2009 by Sisaketmike

[losworld]

A red-riot in Bkk (and across the N/NE this time;) would spawn a re-coup attempt. But it likely wouldn't feature tourists taking photos with smiling soldiers, or teenage girls placing flowers on tanks like in 2006... Unfortunately, this time around there is high potential for Thaksin-friendly police and military factions to join in an uprising.

The 'fear' of Thailand enjoying increased economic upswings along with enjoying even a modest high season must be pressing now. This would be 'disastrous' for Mr Thaksin & Co... But hey, it's easily preventable, just create yet another chaos and PRESTO - goodbye tourists, goodbye high season, goodbye economic recovery ('problem' solved). Following the insanity of Yellow airport closures and Red-riots, another Songkran type upheaval splashed all over world news headlines would absolutely bury Thailand. Yet, this appears to be the 'plan' (which some here might actually welcome...)

Here's hoping Thailand is instead 'permitted' to enjoy a 'spate' of stability, along with even a modest high season and a return to economic growth (but don't count on it, unfortunately).

Excellent post.

[Publicus]

A red-riot in Bkk (and across the N/NE this time;) would spawn a re-coup attempt. But it likely wouldn't feature tourists taking photos with smiling soldiers, or teenage girls placing flowers on tanks like in 2006... Unfortunately, this time around there is high potential for Thaksin-friendly police and military factions to join in an uprising.

The 'fear' of Thailand enjoying increased economic upswings along with enjoying even a modest high season must be pressing now. This would be 'disastrous' for Mr Thaksin & Co... But hey, it's easily preventable, just create yet another chaos and PRESTO - goodbye tourists, goodbye high season, goodbye economic recovery ('problem' solved). Following the insanity of Yellow airport closures and Red-riots, another Songkran type upheaval splashed all over world news headlines would absolutely bury Thailand. Yet, this appears to be the 'plan' (which some here might actually welcome...)

Here's hoping Thailand is instead 'permitted' to enjoy a 'spate' of stability, along with even a modest high season and a return to economic growth (but don't count on it, unfortunately).

Excellent post.

Agreed as the post raises the severe matter of whether the violent divide we fear may occur sooner rather than later. Thaksin, who's been a man without a country for more than a year now is not a patient man and recent statements that he'll accept waiting for a miracle that will return him to Thailand are likely but half of what he presently knows (and probably has already planned). Thaksin's not waiting around for anything much less a miracle from nowhere.

[animatic]

You can bet the Thaksin aligned military commanders have at least a couple of well paid watchers in their units,

keeping an eye on their moves for ISOC or other entities.

This is a much less unaware situation than the last time, where they more or less got caught with their arrogant pants down.

There is much more preparation and observation going on now, at most levels of the armed classes; Military and Police.

Unless there is a truly horrendous incident, where some 'red ringer' security unit does a red shirt Tak By thing,

this will not spin too far out of control while Abhisit is away. No questionable units, attached to questioable leaders,

will be allowed out of barracks etc.

I personally would have a radio frequency jamming truck not far away to bloc Thaksin's expected inflammatory speach of course.

Oops sorry bad reception.

[Publicus]

In the context of Thai politics, government and the military Chaiyasit needs to be arrested and charged with attempting to incite military mutiny and thus treason. In the context of Thailand. Many of us share this view.

While there are reasons to be concerned and on guard because of Chaiyasit's statement, there are reasons not to afford him much credibility even if he is a Shinawatra --or especially because he is a Shinawatra.

A reason not to be too concerned is that former supreme commander Chaiyasit has always been a "political" general.

Chaiyasit's career was languishing in an inactive post until Thaksin several years into his term found it convenient to resurect Chaiyasit and to promote Chaiyasit in rapid succession while advancing him in a rapid sequence to include army commander then supreme commander. The position of supreme commander anyway is a kick upstairs as the army commander has the power and also the concomitant sway over the other armed forces.

The Thai military has open disregard and disrespect of Chaiyasit as a military officer and leader. His advancement was purely political and was done by the politician Thaksin for political purposes.

Prem conversely is both a political general and a general's general. Prem has a respected military reputation and history both in Thailand and abroad. Prem also is politically savvy and advanced to PM at one point in his career. But Prem is a military man whom the military respects while also having the political talents, skills and instincts to be a master of both worlds.

In the US Gen Alexander Haig was a political general all the way. He was Nixon's guy in the White House who immediately got another star on his shoulder each time he became eligible for promotion. Pres Ford ventually sent Haig to Europe to Command NATO but only because Haig was so political the Senate wouldn't confirm him to be army chief of staff. Haig then became Reagan's Secretary of State. (Another recently political US chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Cheney's guy Marine Gen. Peter Pace could not be reconfirmed by the Senate so had to retire.)

Colin Powell was both a political general and a general's general who, as with Haig, went on to become Secretary of State (but never Defense which is prohibited by law). Powell was JCS chairman during the 1991 Gulf War while Haig in Europe almost got blown up in his car by a terrorist land mine.

I'd put my money on the silent one, Prem.

[Richard W]

"I agree with a coup if it can improve Thailand but it must be able to renew politics and end conflicts in the country and create a right path for the country," Chaiyasit said.

2009/09/12

Surely this means he is opposed to a coup!

[animatic]

I'd put my money on the silent one, Prem.

Yes, say few words, but carry a lot of clout.

Which is one reason they have tried so hard to discredit him, with no success.

He dissed Thaksin at a party before the fall,

was that wai navel height with head unbowed, and on film no less.

Thaksin has known since then that he has no chance with Prem,

so instead went on the offensive. Even now there is talk of

The rally 'having so many people, that it will spill over towards Prem's residence

whether he is there or not.'

No coincidence that statement. Prem is an icon for reddened anger,

carefully crafted over the long term. But ultimately a foolish target.

Far more soldiers greatly respect Prem than ANY Thaksin ally...

[animatic]

"I agree with a coup if it can improve Thailand but it must be able to renew politics and end conflicts in the country and create a right path for the country," Chaiyasit said.

2009/09/12

Surely this means he is opposed to a coup!

Oh it surely doesn't

I agree with a coup

Blatently saying it's fine with him.

if it can improve Thailand

Bringing back Shinawatra's to power is his idea of improving Thailand

but it must be able to renew politics

In other words bring his boys back to their former state of glory. TRT and Dr. T. in charge; renewed!

and end conflicts in the country

Well since they dislike dissenting voices, they will silence them, no conflict if it isn't heard.

and create a right path for the country,"

The whole petition thing was based on; '

Bring Thaksin back because ONLY Thaksin can bring prosperity back to Thailand.'

And of course every single item, EVERY thing the Dems government has done

is consistently said to fail, whether it has or not. Again setting the stage for the hero's return.

He wants that huge set of yet to be spent stimulus loans at hand now,

to spread around as HE sees fit and look the conquering here and benefactor.

It was a short sweet and very calculated message in Thai speak.

[Thai at Heart]

I'd put my money on the silent one, Prem.

Yes, say few words, but carry a lot of clout.

Which is one reason they have tried so hard to discredit him, with no success.

He dissed Thaksin at a party before the fall,

was that wai navel height with head unbowed, and on film no less.

Thaksin has known since then that he has no chance with Prem,

so instead went on the offensive. Even now there is talk of

The rally 'having so many people, that it will spill over towards Prem's residence

whether he is there or not.'

No coincidence that statement. Prem is an icon for reddened anger,

carefully crafted over the long term. But ultimately a foolish target.

Far more soldiers greatly respect Prem than ANY Thaksin ally...

You have to give the guy credit for being tarred, accused, lauded and praised for doing so much but saying so little. Thaksin was, is and never will be Prem's kind of man.

This is the go to guy when something serious needs to be done, and fortunately, unlike many other organisations in Thailand, he is proven to deliver. I am never that sure how much he was or wasn't behind the last coup, but that will be for someone's memoirs. Better to say, he knows which way his bread is buttered and he gets the job done, time after time.

Edited September 13, 2009 by Thai at Heart

[Rtwo]

Coups are bad but if thats the only way to kick out dictator like ________ then I'm all for it !!

Interesting. Coups are bad unless you agree with them?

No in a democracy all coups are bad because a democracy gives people the opportunity to peacefully change the ruling regime for another one that they prefer. If you can't and don't abide by such a practice then you don't live in a democracy but in a military dictatorship.

[Insight]

A previous, enthusiastic anti-coup poster never said it better...

[animatic]

Yes support no coups till your side might win one... Opportunism at it's best.

Not saying Koo is going to do this,

but she does tend to do whatever

the red leaders say is good.

[Insight]

Appreciate this is slightly old now, but any idea why this hasn't been covered at all on New Mandela?

I thought they'd be all over any anti-democracy stories such as this.