Can't Play Blu-ray Discs

[richsilver]

I recently bought a Samsung Blu-Ray player (14,000 baht). The "Blue-Ray" discs I bought at TukCom for 180 baht play just fine, but they are not HD quality. A friend just brought me three real discs from America and none will play. The player ejects the disc with the message that this disc cannot be played.

This can't be a region problem because I understand that Thailand (for some strange reason) is the same region (A) as America. I have downloaded and installed the latest firmware as per the manual.

Should I bring the player back?

[angiud]

"BlueRay Discs" you bought at TukCom are simple pirated DVD labeled as BRD, so your player play fine, but not HD quality. You cannot play the real BRDisc probably because of different region. (or because they sold you a simple DVD player (hope not!))

[Tywais]

Thailand does not have the same region code as the US. Thailand is region 3 (Southeast Asia) and US is region 1. Regions and Countries

[Benjie]

Thats DVD Regions, Blu Ray only has 3 Regions of which Thailand should be the same as the USA but not Europe.

Are you sure the BluRay player is Region A/1

[Tywais]

Thats DVD Regions, Blu Ray only has 3 Regions of which Thailand should be the same as the USA but not Europe.

Thanks for the correction, I made a wrong assumption and should have looked it up first.

The Blu-ray Disc region coding scheme divides the world into 3 regions, labelled 'A', 'B' and 'C'.

* Region A includes most North, Central and South American and Southeast Asian countries plus Taiwan, Hong Kong, Japan and Korea.

* Region B includes most European, African and southwest Asian countries plus Australia and New Zealand.

* Region C contains the remaining central and south Asian countries including China and Russia.

[Nordlys]

Are you sure the BluRay player is Region A/1

It has to be if he bought the BR player in Thailand...

Edited November 17, 2009 by Nordlys

[lopburi3]

Are you sure the BluRay player is Region A/1

It has to be if he bought the BR player in Thailand...

Not if bought from a second party seller.

[richsilver]

Are you sure the BluRay player is Region A/1

It has to be if he bought the BR player in Thailand...

Not if bought from a second party seller.

It was bought at the Samsung store in the Central Mall, so it is reasonable to assume it is region A.

[Benjie]

Buy a local Blu-Ray movie (B2S Bookshops seem to sell them) and see if that plays.

[richsilver]

Buy a local Blu-Ray movie (B2S Bookshops seem to sell them) and see if that plays.

Good idea.

[scotsman]

"BlueRay Discs" you bought at TukCom are simple pirated DVD labeled as BRD, so your player play fine, but not HD quality. You cannot play the real BRDisc probably because of different region. (or because they sold you a simple DVD player (hope not!))

The Tukcom BRD copy's are copy's off the Blue-ray movies on to DVD9 it will be upscaled to HD in your Blue-ray player but not as good as the Real BRD as it will be compressed into a DVD9. The player must be a different code than the American BRD it should tell you in your manual what regional code your player is and check it against the American BRD's that you have.

Regards

Scotsman

Edited November 21, 2009 by scotsman

[Mrjlh]

Don't forget that your TV "ALSO" needs to be "BlueRay" capable to get the "full effect". It will state "BlueRay" capable somewhere on one of the labels or the manual that comes with the TV. Just a standard flat screen HD TV will not give you the same performance.

[angiud]

Are you sure about what you say?

Guess any Full HD tv with an HDMI connection cam play BR.

[Benjie]

Don't forget that your TV "ALSO" needs to be "BlueRay" capable to get the "full effect". It will state "BlueRay" capable somewhere on one of the labels or the manual that comes with the TV. Just a standard flat screen HD TV will not give you the same performance.

No, Thats wrong.

A blu ray player will play on any TV, it will of course only be in HD on HD Tv's.

[astral]

Don't forget that your TV "ALSO" needs to be "BlueRay" capable to get the "full effect". It will state "BlueRay" capable somewhere on one of the labels or the manual that comes with the TV. Just a standard flat screen HD TV will not give you the same performance.

Any modern LCD TV will display the picture in high quality via an HDMI cable.

The player may also have a composite output, Yellow/Red/White

for connection to older tvs.

If the problem persists, go back to the Samsung Shop.

[richsilver]

I finally took the player into the Samsung service center this afternoon. The tech there told me that Blu-Ray discs from America will not work on this player. I gave them a hard time, pointing out that North America and Southeast Asia are both region A. Furthermore, one of the discs has an "A" symbol on it, matching the "A" symbol on the back of the player.

They had no explanation for that, but agreed to ship the player and disc to Bangkok for further consultation.

More to follow . . .

[Mrjlh]

<br />Are you sure about what you say?<br /><br />Guess any Full HD tv with an HDMI connection cam play BR.<br />

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Here's the best explanation of what I called a "Blue Ray" capable TV:

1080p/60 vs 1080p/24

Almost all HDTVs that accept a 1080p input signal directly can accept what is known as 1080p/60. 1080p/60 represents a 1080p signal transferred and displayed at a rate of 60 frames-per-second (30 frames displayed twice per second). This is a standard progressive scan 1920x1080 pixel video signal.

However, with the advent of Blu-ray Disc and HD-DVD, a new variation of 1080p is being promoted and implemented: 1080p/24. What 1080p/24 represents is the frame rate of standard 35mm film transferred directly in its native 24 frames-per-second from a source (such as a film on a Blu-ray or HD-DVD disc). This means that in order to display this image on an HDTV, the HDTV has to have the ability to display 1080p resolution at 24 frames per second.

Up to this point, most Blu-ray Disc and HD-DVD players read the 1080p/24 format information off of the disc and then reprocesses it so that it will be able to output the signal as 1080p/60, thus making it compatible with most 1080p input compatible HDTVs.

However, LG (with others to follow) are starting to introduce Blu-ray Disc and HD-DVD players that output 1080p/24 off the disc directly and sends that signal unchanged to an HDTV. In this case, if the HDTV cannot process or display the 1080p/24 signal directly, the Blu-ray Disc or HD-DVD player will then reprocess the 1080p/24 signal to 1080i so that the HDTV will recognize the signal. If the HDTV is 1080p/60 capable, the HDTV will reprocess the 1080i signal to 1080p/60 in order to be able to display the image on the screen.

Ops I forgot the link... but there are even more detailed info on this. This was the simplest explanation.

[phazey]

Don't get confused:

1080p = a TV that can progressively display 1080 display lines - this is true HD

1080i = a TV that can display 1080 lines *interlaced* (known as HD-Ready tv's). If any of the old hands here had an Amiga and used the desktop at 640 - tolerating the flicker - this is what interlaced means. Nowadays the dot-refresh means you dont notice it too much

I dont think there are bootleg blu-ray (note correct spelling) disks, just DVD-9's running at 720p

[LivinLOS]

A DVD9 will not output 720p..

Its just a case that people here watchs such awful DVD copies they think a good DVD is HighDef..

[Benjie]

HD Ready does not make a TV 1080i, HD Ready means that it will take a HD Signal (720p or 1080p for example) and be able to display it but not necessarily at the actual HD resolution, this is often seen with Plasma TV's that have 1024x768 resolution for example. They take the 1280x720 or 1920x1080 signal and show it as 1024x768. CRT's also might say HD Ready meaning that they will be able to take a HD feed and show it (but not as true HD).

Interlacing is really a relic from CRT TV's, flat screen or digital TV's (plasma, lcd) are progressive by their very nature. Most modern TV's can take an interlaced source and display it, typically they do this by waiting for the 2nd frame of interlaced source and then just display all the data at once (from 2 frames) or a mix of the last two frames.

[LivinLOS]

HD Ready does not make a TV 1080i, HD Ready means that it will take a HD Signal (720p or 1080p for example) and be able to display it but not necessarily at the actual HD resolution, this is often seen with Plasma TV's that have 1024x768 resolution for example. They take the 1280x720 or 1920x1080 signal and show it as 1024x768. CRT's also might say HD Ready meaning that they will be able to take a HD feed and show it (but not as true HD).

Yeah even one of those old 480 plasmas can be HD ready just by accepting the HD signal.

Interlacing is really a relic from CRT TV's, flat screen or digital TV's (plasma, lcd) are progressive by their very nature. Most modern TV's can take an interlaced source and display it, typically they do this by waiting for the 2nd frame of interlaced source and then just display all the data at once (from 2 frames) or a mix of the last two frames.

Hence why its FAR better to have the de-interlacing done with the source in the digital domain.. From film based content a good player can read the MPEG data flags ad reconstruct the full 1080p bitstream whereas a device receiving the 1080i (or 480i in SD) has to rely on guesswork and repeats.

[Benjie]

I've been reading a lot about people having problems because their firmware needed updating, wonderif that could have been the OP's problem.

[richsilver]

I've been reading a lot about people having problems because their firmware needed updating, wonderif that could have been the OP's problem.

Read the first post in this thread, please.

[Benjie]

So what's the outcome?