Who lies? Bush or Mahatir?

[george]

President Bush lied, says Mahathir

Malaysian PM dismisses claims US leader rebuked him over Jew remark

KUALA LUMPUR

THE President of the United States lied.

That was Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad's latest riposte in the continuing exchange over whether he was ticked off by the American leader over his remarks that Jews ruled the world.

'It's the biggest lie. If he had rebuked me, I'm quite sure I would have rebuked him also,' the combative Malaysian leader told reporters here after arriving home from Papua New Guinea yesterday.

'I think he wants to support his officer,' he added, alluding to White House spokesman Scott McClellan.

Mr McClellan told reporters last Monday that President George W. Bush had pulled Dr Mahathir aside at a Bangkok summit to rebuke him for his anti-Semitic remarks. A day later the Malaysian PM insisted it did not happen.

But Mr Bush told reporters afterwards that he had indeed put the point across to Dr Mahathir personally that he thought the comments about Jews were 'reprehensible'.

Yesterday, Dr Mahathir not only accused Mr Bush of having told the 'biggest lie', he also noted pointedly that someone who could have lied about the existence of weapons of mass destruction could also lie about what was said to him.

This was a clear reference to Mr Bush's statements about Iraq's cache of banned weapons, which are yet to be found.

Despite the exchanges, Dr Mahathir brushed off the controversy as a minor issue. What was important, he said, was the opportunity to present his views during the Apec meeting on the need for the restructuring of the international financial regime.

He reiterated earlier remarks that the international outcry proved his point that Jews controlled the world.

'I think it is true that the Jews control the world through proxy and if you say anything against the Jews, then they are going to accuse you of being anti-Semitic and will try to stop investment from coming into this country,' he told reporters.

But he said Malaysia would not be blackmailed into silence.

'I don't think we should allow ourselves to be blackmailed by them, 'If you do not say nice things, I will not invest in your country, I'll pull out my investment'. That is blackmail.

'This is the kind of pressure they put (on us). I don't see why people should get annoyed with what I said, which is absolutely true,' he said.

Following Dr Mahathir's remarks - made at the recent Organisation of Islamic Conference Summit in Kuala Lumpur - a US-based Jewish lobby group, the Simon Weisenthal Centre, called for a boycott of tourism and investment in Malaysia.

The Malaysian Premier yesterday also took more potshots at Australia - which has been tagged by Mr Bush as Washing- ton's 'sheriff' in the region.

He said he disagreed with Mr Bush's view that Australia played an important role in ensuring regional peace.

'They have no role whatsoever in maintaining peace, although they are members of the five-power defence pact,' he was quoted by Bernama as saying.

He was referring to the Five Power Defence Arrangements - which groups the defence forces of Singapore, Malaysia, Australia, New Zealand and Britain in a loose military framework.

'We don't expect them to help us...But we are still kind enough to allow them to practise here,' he said.

-- Bernama 2003-10-26

[dr_Pat_Pong]

Ole George Dubya is a worry, but Mahatir is notorius for his intemperate, inflamed contributions to the world stage. He is an old and bitter man. His exit from politics will be applauded by most.

[chuang]

No doubt at all, Mahathir lied......

If you follow the squabbles between Singapore and Malaysia and how Mahathir reneged on promises he had made, changing the terms and conditions as and when he wishes even though signed in black and white, shifting the goal posts, just to mention a few, you will know who the liar is.

I think he feels inferior and by just blasting everyone especially the non-muslim leaders with his outbursts he hopes to offset his inferiority.........

[sbk]

I loved the huge diplomatic row he caused with Australia when Paul Keating called him recalcitrant. My thai husband was reading the Thai papers at the time and commented on what a nasty thing Mahathir had been called by Keating. I told him it wasn't that bad, showed him the translation in the thai dictionary and he told me that was not the word that the thai papers were printing. so presumably he lied to the local press as well. He will not be missed in SE Asia, presuming he really does leave! maybe he is lying about that too!

[TizMe]

They are both polititions. So of course they both lie.

Its in their job description.

[TizMe]

The real unfortunate thing is that all the reporters picked up on what Mahathir had to say about the Jews.

In reality, the most important things that he said were aimed at the Muslim countries.

[Axel]

In this case I believe Dr. Mahathir lied, although it could be discussed wether his original speach was wrong.

Bush is quite wellknown for his un-diplomatic way

of doing things.

Ah, and think of the dirty way Mahathir got rid of Anwar Sadat, putting his No. 2 in jail with a lot of lies.

[dr_Pat_Pong]

Axel just watch a politicians mouth...if it's moving he's lying.

[TizMe]

Anwar Sadat

The Egyptian Prime Minister?

[Axel]

Anwar Sadat

The Egyptian Prime Minister?

Sorry Tiz Me, I lied.

Anwar Ibrahim!

[Rolling Stone]

I agree they all lie, some are just better than others.

Keep it real?

[Axel]

Axel just watch a politicians mouth...if it's moving he's lying.

Dr. how can you say so? A poltician never tells a lye.

May be the others are mis-informed, a statement taken out of context, the opposition is after them , the general public does not have the necessary background information...

So in this way it is a tool of the trade, an art!

OK, I was lying...

Like, "No we did not produce a deficit, check the figures, I budgeted one of $100 m and now we have -$80 mio only, so you see I produced a surplus of 20 million Dollars!

[dr_Pat_Pong]

TIZ....you reside in Tea towel land. Is there something you need to share with us ?

[dr_Pat_Pong]

Poor ANWAR of Malaysian extraction, was said to have had assrhitus

[dr_Pat_Pong]

Didn't that Egyptian come to grief ?

George Dubya's family name used to be Bullsh...they changed it when George Mk 1 went into politics        

[dr_Pat_Pong]

oops I double posted....Bud is back ( we think ) and he has the franchise here for multiple postings        if he is free

[Butterfly]

Ole George Dubya is a worry, but Mahatir is notorius for his intemperate, inflamed contributions to the world stage. He is an old and bitter man. His exit from politics will be applauded by most.

I don't like Mahathir but I am glad people like him does exist. Without him, there wouldn't be opposition to threats like the US and Terrorism.

[tomy]

doesn't matter who you are, you just don't go around and say thing like this:

"over his remarks that Jews ruled the world"

just wrong, wrong, wrong, maybe he think with ass instead of his head.

[Butterfly]

I agree they all lie, some are just better than others.

Keep it real?

No, it's more like some have the "right" to lie while others are denied that right. Like everything else in the world, some people are more equal than others.

[dr_Pat_Pong]

and the French pollies are superb liars    

[Axel]

Didn't that Egyptian come to grief ?

Cairo 1981, poor bugger. Hosni Mubarek, sitting just to the right of Sadat, miraculously escaped injury, later became Egyptian president.

Oops bugger was Ibrahim, no wonder I always mix them up

[dr_Pat_Pong]

What about Ben Dover ? And indeed. Philip me cavity.

[Axel]

Wrong department, I am too busy:

"I'm glad I'm not bisexual. I couldn't stand being rejected by men as well as women."

Bernard Manning.

but I am a lesbian, if the definition is true, they like girls only.

and a nymphomanic

"A nymphomaniac is a woman as obsessed with sex as the average  man."

Mignon McLaughlin

[sbk]

"A politician is a man who will double cross that bridge when he comes to it."

                                Oscar Levant

[marquess]

There really is no comparison between Bush and Mahthir, the latter has done a great deal for his country, but what has the former done?

As to the comments about the jews, I believe that they were slightly misinterpreted. Truth is no politician in the US  would ever get the campaign funds, let alone elected. If  he/she told the truth about Israel. Now there is there power of the Jewish lobby for you! Bush was only keeping to that thread.

Finally as to Howard and Mahthir, there is no comparison between the two, one has sold his country out and the other is trying to maintain the independence of his.

[TizMe]

George W. Bush's Resume  

George W. Bush (Dubya)

The White House

1600 Pennsylvania Ave., NW

Washington, D.C. 20500

Past Work Experience

Ran for congress and lost.

Produced a Hollywood slasher B movie.

Bought an oil company, but couldn't find any oil in Texas; company went bankrupt shortly after I sold all my stock.

Bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in a sweetheart deal that took land using taxpayer money. Biggest move: Traded Sammy Sosa to the Chicago White Sox.

With father's help (and his name) was elected Governor of Texas.

Accomplishments in Previous Positions

Changed pollution laws for power and oil companies and made Texas the most polluted state in the Union.

Replaced Los Angeles with Houston as the most smog-ridden city in America. Cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas government to the tune of billions in borrowed money.  

Set record for most executions by any governor in American history.  

Became president after losing the popular vote by over 500,000 votes, with the help of my father's appointments to the Supreme Court.

Accomplishments As President

Attacked and took over two countries.

Spent the surplus and bankrupted the treasury.

Shattered record for biggest annual deficit in history.

Set economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12-month period.

Set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the stock market.

First president in decades to execute a federal prisoner.

First president in U.S. history to enter office with a criminal record.

First year in office set the all-time record for most days on vacation by any president in U.S. history.

After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, presided over the worst security failure in U.S. history.

Set the record for most campaign fundraising trips than any other president in U.S. history.

In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their job.

Cut unemployment benefits for more out of work Americans than any president in U.S. history.

Set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12-month period.

Appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in U.S. history.

Set the record for the least amount of press conferences than any president since the advent of television.

Signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any president in U.S. history.

Presided over the biggest energy crises in U.S. history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed.

Presided over the highest gasoline prices in U.S. history and refused to use the national reserves as past presidents have.

Cut healthcare benefits for war veterans.

Set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind. Dissolved more international treaties than any president in U.S. history.

My presidency is the most secretive and unaccountable of any in U.S. history.

Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in U.S. history (the 'poorest' multimillionaire, Condoleezza Rice, has an Exxon oil tanker named after her).

First president in U.S. history to have all 50 states of the Union simultaneously go bankrupt.

Presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud of any market in any country in the history of the world.

First president in U.S. history to order a U.S. attack and military occupation of a sovereign nation.

Created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the United States.

Set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any president in U.S. history.

First president in U.S. history to have the United Nations remove the U.S. from the human rights commission.

First president in U.S. history to have the United Nations remove the U.S. from the elections monitoring board.  

Removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of congressional oversight than any presidential administration in U.S. history.

Rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant.

Withdrew from the World Court of Law.

Refused to allow inspectors access to U.S. prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.

First president in U.S. history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 U.S. elections).

All-time U.S. (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign donations.

My biggest lifetime campaign contributor presided over one of the largest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of Enron Corporation).

Spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in U.S. history.

First president in U.S. history to unilaterally attack a sovereign nation against the will of the United Nations and the world community.

First president to run and hide when the U.S. came under attack (and then lied saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1)

First U.S. president to establish a secret shadow government.

Took the biggest world sympathy for the U.S. after 9/11, and in less than a year made the U.S. the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest diplomatic failure in U.S. and world history).

With a policy of 'disengagement' created the most hostile Israeli-Palestine relations in at least 30 years.

Fist U.S. president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability.

First U.S. president in history to have the people of South Korea more threatened by the U.S. than their immediate neighbor, North Korea.

Changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.

Set all-time record for number of administration appointees who violated U.S. law by not selling huge investments in corporations bidding for government contracts.

Failed to fulfill my pledge to get Osama Bin Laden 'dead or alive.'

Failed to capture the anthrax killer who tried to murder the leaders of our country at the United States Capital building. After 18 months I have no leads and zero suspects.

In the 18 months following the 9/11 attacks I have successfully prevented any public investigation into the biggest security failure in the history of the United States.

Removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president in U.S. history.

In a little over two years created the most divided country in decades, possibly the most divided the U.S. has ever been since the Civil War.

Entered office with the strongest economy in U.S. history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down.

Records and References

At least one conviction for drunk driving in Maine (Texas driving record has been erased and is not available)

AWOL from National Guard and deserted the military during a time of war.

Refuse to take drug test or even answer any questions about drug use.

All records of my tenure as governor of Texas have been spirited away to my father's library, sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.

All records of any SEC investigations into my insider trading or bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.

All minutes of meetings for any public corporation I served on the board are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.

Any records or minutes from meetings I (or my VP) attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public review.

For personal references please speak to my daddy or uncle James Baker (they can be reached at their offices of the Carlyle Group for war-profiteering.)

[Butterfly]

He was a heavy drug user for a long time (not that there is anything wrong with that) and a complete drunk. He was a substance abuser until he found "God" and then he became another abuser but this time in christianity and became another Christian Fundamentalist.

[stumonster]

what was george's drug of choice? other than alchohol.

 and I don 't think religion and politics mix...stating the obvious

death holds no glory... yer just...dead

[tomy]

come-on guy he aint that bad now, he done some good stuff too, like! ...............hmmm! give me some time to figure it out  

[tutsiwarrior]

leave it up to an ignorant cracker like Dubya to get into the PM of Malaysia's face without knowing what that means to Asians about losing it. Similarly Matahir would never admit that the exchange took place for the same reasons. So...who cares?

Matahir may be an Islamist jive ass but he has consistently stood up for the developing world in the face of the globalization onslaught. That's a lot more than can be said for other regional 'leaders'.

In any event, Bush would have to make a display of publicly condemning Matahir to appease his US Jewish/Israel constituency who don't give a shit who is elected in the US so long as the result maintains the status quo in the Middle East.

Picture a world where Israel was forced back to pre-67 borders, disarmed(with the UN to insure territorial intergrity), Ariel Sharon put on trial for war crimes and the resulting good western relations with moderate Arabs/Muslims everywhere.

The terrorists would then be the Israelis and their Mossad and Shein Bet hoodlums who would not hesitate to destabilize such an arrangement. WMDs?...ha, no discussion.

Lest we get away from the bigger picture...