Filipina Woman + Thai Man

[bina]

im asking for info in the name of two filipina women working here in israel that have fallen in love and want to go back with their thai male partners whose time in israel is finished. the women hold philipine citizenship only. the thai men are obviously unversed in the ways of beurocracy being from up country, and think its as easy as apple pie and som tom. they also dont have access to 'people that can help' and that sort of thing.

i told the the women what i know about us farang women and visas (from what ive gathered from here on thaivisa) including discussing the monetary ramifications of having to leave thailand to re apply for visas/permits.

the two men are for sure single/ neither the women nor the thai men are wealthy or old. both men are serious. both women are serious. this is to forestall all the bad mouthers that will crawl out of cyberspace in a few posts.

my questions:

1.are there different criteria for women from philipines? shorter/longer visas?

do thai authorities cause more problems for filipina women as thai mens' spouses differently then european/anglo spouses? (israel differentiates between women from brazil/balkan countries/asian countries then from anglo/european women- racist or not thats the reality).

2.is there divorce in the philipines since both women are separated --their husbands left them for new women. i nderstood that philipines are catholic and therefore divorce is not possible therefore remarriage is impossible, and then, hence, they are not spouses but girl friends. would this affect the type of visa/?

the women are internet savvy so will also do some googleing but i thought i would ask here. any personal examples u all know of?

any good info appreciated--

bina

israel

[Lite Beer]

Without being married to the Thai Boyfriends it will not be easy.

They will be the same as everyone else who does not qualify for extensions.

Non Imm O Visa Multi Entry would give 15 months stay with a border run every 90 days.

Not sure if their own country would issue this. Might have to go to Perth to get.

Back to back Tourist Visas. These are being clamped down on.

They could always learn Thai at a Language School and get extensions of stay.

It would really help them if they could somehow be Married.

Not that I am suggesting this but if they had a child together the child would then be Thai. The Lady could then get extensions to stay with a Thai Child. A bit drastic though.

Just my thoughts.

There one or two members with Philippine other halves. They will have more idea than I.

[monty]

They fall under the same rules (for Thailand anyway) as Western women.

With the added disadvantage that the Thai embassy in Manila can be a right PITA, sometimes (or often) denying to issue tourist visa's to their nationals unless they can come up with heaps of supporting paperwork, mainly reasons to return to the Philippines and financial means...

Probably can forget a multi non-o altogether.

Perth will also be out of the question as they would need a visa to go to Australia, and they also are not exactly easy to get for Asians.

The one single advantage they do have, if they happen to go and live somewhere close to a Cambodian border, they can just border-hop every 2 weeks, they do not need a visa for Cambodia, so they do not have that expense Western nationals would have, nor would their passports fill up as fast. They only get the date stamps.

Indeed, in the Philippines there is no such thing as divorce, they do have something called "annulment" but this is a legal nightmare to obtain... So if they have been legally married over there, marriage in Thailand will be impossible, maybe not the marriage over here, but the repercussions legally if they found out in the Philippines.

[monty]

Actually the annulment of a marriage is not that hard, but it'll cost them around 250,000 Pesos, and probably can be done in around a month.

http://filipinawives.com/soannulment.htm

[Lite Beer]

Actually the annulment of a marriage is not that hard, but it'll cost them around 250,000 Pesos, and probably can be done in around a month.

http://filipinawives.com/soannulment.htm

If possible that will be their best option. Not cheap though.

Around 180,000 Bht.

[bina]

thanx for the pertinent info...

both have udon thani boyfriends; the one was thinking of getting pregnant (the boyfriend is pressuring her)-- and the rule for foreign workers here with children keep getting stricter also, so either way, the one woman would end up with a child having to be sent to grandma in philipines , her losing her boyfriend, and and and.........

i normally dont interfere with plans of others, but since we were sitting around and discussing it, they brought it up, i felt it would be good to give some real info and not the usual 'we have a baby they wont throw me out' sort of thing... neither of these women are naive, both are pratctical, both have other professions (nurse, and some computer thing) but find taking care of old people in israel is more lucrative. the one has three children (young children) back in philipines with the walk away husband so i foresee lots and lots and lots of problems.

will print out and show and tell next month when i see them...

just the thought of having to find money for all the flights, with a isaan farm husband is mind boggling. for same reasons we arent back in thailand....

just clarify two things: (as all info would apply also to me as farang wife) - after doing all the extensions (provided i got them), i have to go back to HOME country? to get new visa? or i can go to any other country?

second:

Cambodian border, they can just border-hop every 2 weeks, they do not need a visa for Cambodia, so they do not have that expense Western nationals would have

,that is for a filipina national? but then isnt there a limit on how many border runs a person could do?

third: im also thinking (out loud) that if the boyfriend/husband had assets like land chanote/house/money in the bank, the chance for him to bring gf/wife over from the filipines would increase were as a poor farm boy has less to show? or is that not needed? jus the filipina woman having to show HER assets/land/money in bank/reasons for returning to philipines?

thanks in advance, as usual, TV quick with the info. (the consulate here is not the most updated/informative for the little details that made the difference)

bina

israel

[monty]

Cambodian border, they can just border-hop every 2 weeks, they do not need a visa for Cambodia, so they do not have that expense Western nationals would have

,that is for a filipina national? but then isnt there a limit on how many border runs a person could do?

Yes, Philippine nationals. As membersoaf Asean they do not need a visa for Cambodia (nor I assume for Laos). No limit enforced on how many times, however they can be asked what their financial means are, to make sure they are not working in Thailand.

im also thinking (out loud) that if the boyfriend/husband had assets like land chanote/house/money in the bank, the chance for him to bring gf/wife over from the filipines would increase were as a poor farm boy has less to show? or is that not needed? jus the filipina woman having to show HER assets/land/money in bank/reasons for returning to philipines?

It's assets in the Philippines. It's the same as applying for a visa for a Thai National to go for example to a Western country. The embassy of that country would want to see evidence that the visa applicant has sufficient reason to come back and not go underground/illegal/overstay.

[bina]

thanx for the clarifications...will pass on the info.

bina

israel

[tropo]

They fall under the same rules (for Thailand anyway) as Western women.

With the added disadvantage that the Thai embassy in Manila can be a right PITA, sometimes (or often) denying to issue tourist visa's to their nationals unless they can come up with heaps of supporting paperwork, mainly reasons to return to the Philippines and financial means...

Probably can forget a multi non-o altogether.

Perth will also be out of the question as they would need a visa to go to Australia, and they also are not exactly easy to get for Asians.

The one single advantage they do have, if they happen to go and live somewhere close to a Cambodian border, they can just border-hop every 2 weeks, they do not need a visa for Cambodia, so they do not have that expense Western nationals would have, nor would their passports fill up as fast. They only get the date stamps.

Indeed, in the Philippines there is no such thing as divorce, they do have something called "annulment" but this is a legal nightmare to obtain... So if they have been legally married over there, marriage in Thailand will be impossible, maybe not the marriage over here, but the repercussions legally if they found out in the Philippines.

They would need a CERTIFICATE OF LEGAL CAPACITY TO CONTRACT MARRIAGE from the Philippine Embassy in Bangkok. All details HERE

As you've stated, going to Perth would be impossible as the visa for Australia would be unobtainable in their circumstances.

[Lite Beer]

Cheers Tropo. Was hoping you would chip in.

[sbk]

just clarify two things: (as all info would apply also to me as farang wife) - after doing all the extensions (provided i got them), i have to go back to HOME country? to get new visa? or i can go to any other country?

bina

israel

Once you have the non-o visa and get the extension based on a thai husband you do not have to ever get a new visa unless you leave the country without getting a re-entry permit or leave the country and do not return in time to make your new extension. You just keep making new extensions based on your marriage.

[bina]

thanx sbk, i hadnt really known that before. that changes things for me a bit also. it was always a concern to me how i would manage that financial aspect of flying to israel every year and a half for renewing visa status. we would never ever be able to afford it.

i had always thought that i would have to leave every 15 months or whatever to redo the whole visa thingy again. thats different than for a man then? only they have to show money in the bank for that that same visa.? true?

and for a filipina woman would that then also apply? or im understanding that for a filipina it would be more difficult for whatever obscure reasons in the thai embassy/consulates there. because then it would be easier for them (cheaper in the long run)-- the question then being how do they get the non -o (thats not the retirement ,business or education visas , so what is that? visitng thai family ?)

and i will let the two women know about the CERTIFICATE OF LEGAL CAPACITY TO CONTRACT MARRIAGE since they both have access to internet on and off and have a fairly active religious and legal community in israel that could give them info also... most filipinas end up staying here illegally wiht their babies from thai men, and many send the baby back to philipines since the illegal alien rules applicable to children change here with the changes in government heads.

bina

[lopburi3]

You have been thinking of non immigrant O visas where you must exit the country every 90 days and with them a new visa would be required every 15 months - although it could be obtained in a place closer for most people (you would not have the normal KL option however). It also requires a legal marriage.

But for a woman the extension of stay for one year is much easier as there will not be any 400k in bank or 40k income requirement to meet. So once that is started no exit of country would be required. For these ladies the key is a legal marriage.

[bina]

lop and sbk- sorry im slow to grasp these things: i will reiterate:

a non immigrant O visa allows a wife (spouse of thai man) to enter once, and to extend every few months(90 days within thailand at immigration office) for up to 15 months.

then she has to go out, back to home country or other country , get new visa, and start the extensions again? (w/o the addtional problem of funds that a man has to show. that part i understood no problem:) ) and is there a time frame that she would have to stay out of thailand and then start all over again?

or am i totally mixed up? im asking also for the filipina women but also for me since i plan to snip this and print it to myself on the fridge for future reference (yes i know rules change). and i want to understand this completely as i will give them the info in february whe i see them again so i want to be completely sure i understand everything before they go gallavanting off to consulates and/or get pregnant! (their choice but given the situation here with foreign mothers and babies, not a good idea at the moment)

yeah the kl option with my israeli passport is a no go. but for filipinas its no problem i assume?

many many thanx for walking me through this yet again for the hundreth time......i understand the differenc ebetween visa and permit to stay.

bina

israel

i also understand that there is the 90 reporting that is NOT extensions or whatever. this would be for the filipinas also?

went and read back and think i got it: all this meaning that i dont ever have to leave the country? but if i do, i have to start over or get some kind of re entry visa before leaving, ?

[sbk]

Nope, you got it wrong.

OK,

1. Get a non-o visa based on relationship to a thai person (husband is thai) at embassy or consulate abroad

2. Towards the end of the 90 days on that visa, go to your local immigration office with all relevant docs and apply for extension based on thai husbaned

3. once the extension is granted it only needs to be renewed yearly. You do have to make 90 day reports of your location to your local immigration office tho.

4. Next year, before the one year is up, go back and repeat step 2.

5. If you wish to leave the country, you must get a re-entry permit and you must return before you your next extension is due or you lose your extension and your visa and must start at step 1 again

[Lite Beer]

The 90 day reports to your local Immigration can be done by someone on your behalf or by post if you wish. In most cases.

[lopburi3]

As sbk posted - that method fits you as you have proof of marriage. Until the others are able to obtain official marriage it would not work for them - once they do then it would be the same process for them.

[bina]

finally understand both scenarios. great great great.... hope it stays that way two years from now: once son is out of active duty, youngest daughter will have reached adulthood, than i can re activate our older ideas/plans....

as for the two women i will advise. they will decide. personally i cant see it happening.

great to get quick succinct answers )

off to nite shift and feeling more hopeful about future plans than i did before.

bina

[MAJIC]

Bina

Sorry I cant help you with the details of your Philipino friends Visa application,there are much more Visa knowledgeable Posters on here than I.

However as I understand it although officially there is no Divorce under the Catholic Religeon,there is "Annulment"which in essence is a long drawn out proceedure to prove the Marriage never existed in the first place.There are several reasons acceptable for annulment.

One person I knew who went through this proceedure went on to remarry.I suggest you speak to a Catholic who will be able to inform you better than I