A Waste Of Life And Money

[OZEMADE]

By Thanapat Kitjakosol

The Nation

BANGKOK: -- Army defends controversial airship bought to boost security in deep South as senior officer denie it is being grounded due to safety concerns

The Royal Thai Army yesterday came out in defence of the controversial Bt350-million airship acquired to boost security measures in the deep South - and even if the "Sky Dragon" has not been grounded as reported, it will fly into an uncertain future.

The senior officer in charge, Lt Gen Kasikorn Kheereesri, denied the newly bought airship was being sidelined due to safety concerns.

However, criticism has been widespread over its suitability for the nature of anti-insurgency work in the region. Moreover, its needs are substantial - a back-up system requiring a helicopter, a land vehicle, a ground command station and 55 officers.

The officer said no order had come from the Army grounding the airship.

Yesterday high-power zoom cameras were being installed on it in preparation for a number of tests, including a possible flight today to check its engines and wireless signal connections between the cameras and ground control.

Worrawit Basu, a senator serving on the Senate committee on the military, said he had heard the airship was not fully operational because it still lacked certain key devices. The US had prohibited their hand-over to the Army, he said.

He said no evaluation had been undertaken to determine whether other devices could be substituted, and he questioned the financial wisdom of buying another airship. "Bt700 million [the cost of two] is a lot of money. To build a prolonged peace process, there should be other and better ways to do it on such a large budget," he added.

Srisomphob Jitphiromsri, a lecturer with Prince Songkla University, Pattani Campus, questioned the military value of airships in an insurgency like that in the deep South. He said a single airship designed as an airborne surveillance platform would be useless in offensive operations, because more airships would be needed to ensure its maximum combat efficiency.

He said the public would liken the airship project to the GT200 explosive-detector controversy if it proved inefficient after a few months of use.

"If the number of attacks or ambushes are not reduced, it would raise questions over whether other alternatives or human measures would be more cost-effective and productive in winning over local residents - instead of an airship we pay Bt350 million for," he added.

Army commander Anupong Paochinda paid an inspection visit to the South and observed the flight test. There are no reports about his feedback or opinion about the airship.

A source with the airship's operational support pondered its combat efficiency, saying the local landscapes comprised thick bushes and trees, unlike deserts in Iraq or Afghanistan where the US military used airships effectively in fighting off insurgents.

"The local insurgents in the South employ ambushes and hit-and-run attacks against targets, and they do not converge in large groups long enough to be seen by a wandering airship," he said.

The source claimed that the airship bumped the ground during a recent landing, but there was no damage to its airframe or engines. "The incident may have led to this fresh criticism of the airship," the source added.

-- The Nation 2010-02-04

YOUR COMMENTS

Edited February 17, 2010 by sbk
no Bangkok post articles allowed-sbk

[h90]

Estimate deads Irak+Afghanistan war is 1.500.000 people a war crime with fake informations for the public......

[britmaveric]

Estimate deads Irak+Afghanistan war is 1.500.000 people a war crime with fake informations for the public......

Unlikelynumbers however if were true - good to be rid of the terrorist scum.

[OZEMADE]

Estimate deads Irak+Afghanistan war is 1.500.000 people a war crime with fake informations for the public......

Unlikelynumbers however if were true - good to be rid of the terrorist scum.

Thats Military Dead compared to South Thailand Civilian Dead

Edited February 15, 2010 by OZEMADE

[sokal]

Yeah lets negotiate with muslim terrorists. As if that has not been tried before. Muslim terrorists are the only constant in these situations wether its Iraq, Russia, Thailand or India. There was not one US boot on the ground before the 9/11 attacks so I don't know what the point is that you are trying to make. Go to this site and look at the numbers http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks

List of Islamic Terror Attacks For the Past 2 Months

Date Country City Killed Injured Description

2010.02.14 Thailand Pattani 2 0 Islamists brutally murder a Buddhist woman and her 13-year-old daughter.

2010.02.13 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 A 44-year-old man is gunned down by Islamic militants while using the restroom.

2010.02.13 Thailand Pattani 1 2 Muslim militants shoot a man sitting on his front porch with friends.

2010.02.13 Afghanistan Kandahar 2 7 A Fedayeen suicide bomber sends two other souls to Allah.

2010.02.13 Iraq Kufa 6 10 A female suicide bomber murders at least six Shia pilgrims headed to a religious ceremony.

2010.02.13 India Pune 9 45 Five women are among nine innocents blasted to death by a Shahid suicide bomber at a bakery near a Jewish center.

2010.02.12 Afghanistan Paktia 3 0 Three women are bound, gagged and executed by religious extremists.

2010.02.12 Somalia Afgoye 2 0 al-Shabaab Islamists shoot two civilians to death.

2010.02.12 Yemen Saada 1 7 Militant Shiites ambush and kill a government soldier.

2010.02.12 Iraq Buhriz 2 0 A man and his son are blown to bits by Jihadi bombers.

2010.02.12 Thailand Pattani 1 0 A 38-year-old man is murdered by Muslim gunmen.

2010.02.11 Pakistan Bannu 15 24 Fifteen innocents are blown to bits in a double suicide bombing by Islamic militants.

2010.02.11 Iraq Baghdad 1 0 An imam at a mosque is gunned down by sectarian rivals.

2010.02.11 Philippines Cotabato 1 0 Muslim extremists shoot a man to death as he is riding a motorbike to work.

2010.02.11 Iraq Mosul 1 0 Jihadis murder a 17-year-old with an IED.

2010.02.10 Thailand Pattani 1 0 A Buddhist man at a bird singing competition is brutally gunned down by Muslim radicals.

2010.02.10 Somalia Hamarjajab 5 7 al-Shabaab militants take out five Somalis with a roadside bomb.

2010.02.10 Pakistan Khyber 18 10 A teenage Fedayeen suicide bomber detonates along a highway, killing nearly twenty others.

2010.02.10 Thailand Pattani 2 0 Two men are shot to death by Mujahideen in separate attacks.

2010.02.10 Israel Nablus 1 0 A Palestinian policeman walks up to an Israeli soldier and stabs him to death.

2010.02.10 Iraq Abu Ghraib 2 4 Two Iraqi cops are blown apart by Mujahideen bombers.

2010.02.10 Pakistan Khyber 1 2 The Taliban murder a member of a rescue team.

2010.02.10 Iraq Baquba 2 1 Jihadi gunmen take down two Iraqis in their own home.

2010.02.09 Sudan al-Baytari 4 15 Janjiweed militia attack a refugee camp and murder four residents.

2010.02.09 Iraq Baghdad 1 1 Muslim assassins murder a man in front of his wife.

2010.02.08 Pakistan Rawalpindi 4 1 Muslim terrorists open fire on a vehicle, killing two occupants and two bystanders.

2010.02.08 Thailand Pattani 1 0 Islamic radicals target a Buddhist teacher riding home on his motorcycle. He is shot and then set on fire.

2010.02.08 Somalia Mogadishu 10 20 al-Shabaab claims responsibility for a series of attacks that leave at least ten civilians dead.

2010.02.08 Thailand Yala 1 0 A 41-year-old man is shot to death in his own backyard by Islamists.

2010.02.08 Pakistan Khyber 1 4 A young girl is killed in a rocket attack by Sunni hardliners.

2010.02.08 India Sopore 1 0 A police officer is gunned down by Muslim militants.

2010.02.08 Iraq Baghdad 1 3 One civilian is killed by Jihadi bombers while crossing a bridge.

2010.02.07 Iraq Diwaniya 1 3 Jihadis bomb a minibus, killing one occupant.

2010.02.07 Afghanistan Mazar-e Sharif 3 1 Two Swedes and their interpretor are shot to death by religious extremists dresses as police.

2010.02.07 Afghanistan Kandahar 4 2 Islamists detonate a hidden bomb under a bridge, taking out a car full of local cops.

2010.02.07 Pakistan North Waziristan 1 0 An Afghan refugee is kidnapped and murdered by Islamic hardliners.

2010.02.07 Iraq Mosul 1 1 A female veterinarian is shot to death by Holy Warriors.

2010.02.06 Thailand Narathiwat 1 1 A local soldier in a moving truck is killed by a Mujahideen sniper.

2010.02.05 Afghanistan Helmand 2 20 Two civilians are incinerated by a Taliban roadside bomb.

2010.02.05 India Baramulla 2 0 A civilian and local cop are murdered in a Mujahideen ambush.

2010.02.05 Pakistan Malakand 1 0 A local soldier standing guard is gunned down in cold blood by Islamists.

2010.02.05 Pakistan Karachi 33 80 A Christian family and dozens of Shiites are blown to bits by Sunni bombers at two locations, one a hospital.

2010.02.05 Iraq Karbalah 41 154 A barbaric Sunni double car-bombing against Shia pilgrims at a religious festival leaves at least forty dead.

2010.02.05 India Sopore 3 0 Islamic terrorists approach a police checkpoint and open fire, killing a civilian and two officers.

2010.02.04 Iraq Baghdad 1 0 A man leaving a mosque is killed by a suspected Mujahid.

2010.02.04 Afghanistan Kandahar 3 17 Three people are dismembered by a Shahid suicide bomber.

2010.02.03 Pakistan Swat 9 115 Four children are among nine people killed when the Tehrik-e-Taliban bomb am opening ceremony at a girl's school.

2010.02.03 Germany Northrhein-Westphalia 1 0 A mother of four is beheaded and then has her fingers cut off in a suspected 'honor' attack by her husband.

2010.02.03 Iraq Baghdad 1 3 Sunni bombers send a Shia pilgrim straight to Allah.

2010.02.03 Iraq Karbalah 23 147 A Fedayeen bomber passes out fruit to children before detonating, killing nearly two dozen.

2010.02.03 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 A rubber tapper working with his wife is shot in the back by Muslim militants with a shotgun

2010.02.03 Iraq Touz Khormato 1 0 A teacher is kidnapped and killed by Muslim radicals.

2010.02.02 Philippines Maluso 1 8 Suspected Abu Sayyaf militants plant a landmine that kills one local soldier.

2010.02.02 Pakistan Mohmand 2 2 Two members of a peace community pay the ultimate price when Islamic hardliners blow them up.

2010.02.02 Iraq Karbalah 3 21 Three Shia pilgirms are murdered by Sunni bombers.

2010.02.01 Ingushetia Nazran 1 3 Islamists fire five grenades into a building, killing at least one occupant.

2010.02.01 Iraq Baghdad 54 117 A female suicide bomber murders fifty-four innocent Shia pilgrims at a hospitality tent, mostly women and children.

2010.02.01 Ingushetia Nazran 1 3 A bomb planted in a kindergarten explodes, leaving one person dead.

2010.01.31 Somalia Mogadishu 8 55 A mother and her 4-year-old child are among eight civilians killed during an al-Shabaab mortar attack.

2010.01.31 Iraq Mosul 1 0 A young woman is shot to death inside her home by Muslim terrorists.

2010.01.31 Pakistan Mohmand 2 2 The Taliban take out two local troops with a landmine.

2010.01.31 Thailand Pattani 3 1 A 6-year-old boy and his parents are brutally shot to death by Religion of Peace advocates.

2010.01.30 Pakistan Bajaur 16 20 A suicide bomber at a market sends sixteen shoppers straight to Allah.

2010.01.30 Thailand Pattani 2 0 A man and his wife are murdered by Islamic radicals while on their way to work at a rubber plantation.

2010.01.30 Somalia Mogadishu 12 25 A mother and her two children are among a dozen civilians burned or blasted to death when Islamists lob mortars into their neighborhood.

2010.01.30 Pakistan Bolochistan 3 7 Sectarian Jihadis fire into a bus filled with Shia pilgrims, killing at least three.

2010.01.30 Iraq Samarrah 2 20 Two people at a restaurant are blown to bits by a Fedayeen suicide bomber.

2010.01.30 Pakistan North Waziristan 2 0 The Taliban abduct two civilians, then shoot them to death in captivity.

2010.01.30 Afghanistan Uruzgan 1 1 A baby is killed when religious extremists use the mother as a human shield in an attack on Afghan troops.

2010.01.30 Iraq Baghdad 1 4 Sunni bombers take out a Shia pilgrim.

2010.01.29 Afghanistan Wardak 2 0 An interpreter suddendly turns on two US soldiers, killing both.

2010.01.29 Thailand Pattani 1 2 A bomb detonated at a mosque kills a local soldier.

2010.01.29 India Kishtwar 2 0 Two Indian troops are gunned down in cold blood by Islamic militants.

2010.01.29 Afghanistan Lashkar Gah 1 3 At least one civilian is killed during a sustained Taliban assault on a commercial district.

2010.01.29 Somalia Mogadishu 10 35 An al-Shabaab ambush leaves at least 10 people dead.

2010.01.28 Somalia Mogadishu 2 5 Two Ugandan peacekeepers die from shrapnel injuries suffered during an Islamist mortar attack.

2010.01.28 Ingushetia Nazran 1 0 Islamic militants fire on a car, killing the driver.

2010.01.28 Iran Tehran 2 0 Two people are executed for 'waging war against Allah'.

2010.01.28 Iraq Adel 1 0 An imam is gunned down by Muslim rivals while leaving a mosque.

2010.01.28 Iraq Mosul 4 3 Jihadi bombers take down four Iraqis.

2010.01.27 Pakistan Mardan 1 5 A drive-by attack by Sunni hardliners leaves one cop dead.

2010.01.27 Ingushetia Nazran 2 2 Two police officers die in the hospital from injuries suffered in a Islamic ambush.

2010.01.27 Somalia Hiran 8 0 Rival Islamic groups Hizbul Islam and al-Shabaab go on a beheading spree, lopping off at least four heads apiece.

2010.01.27 Pakistan Dir 3 0 Three children are murdered by Taliban bombers while grazing their family goats.

2010.01.27 Somalia Mogadishu 1 0 Islamists assassinate a local official at a market.

2010.01.27 Iraq Baghdad 2 5 A woman is among two people murdered by Mujahid gunmen.

2010.01.27 Iraq Mosul 2 0 Muslim terrorists shoot two people to death.

2010.01.26 Iraq Mosul 0 1 A Christian shopkeeper is targeted by Muslim gunmen and seriously injured.

2010.01.26 Somalia Mogadishu 5 3 al-Shabaab Islamists bomb a hospital clinic, killing at leat five.

2010.01.26 Afghanistan Helmand 4 0 Talibanis ambush and kill four local policemen in the middle of the night.

2010.01.26 Pakistan Salarzai 1 0 A local tribesman is abducted and murdered by Sunni extremists.

2010.01.26 Thailand Pattani 3 0 Two Buddhist contruction workers are among three people gunned down Islamic separatists in two attacks.

2010.01.26 Iraq Baghdad 22 80 A Shahid suicide bomber murders over twenty people working at a police crime lab.

2010.01.25 Somalia Sool 2 3 Two police officers are killed by a bomb hidden in a mosque.

2010.01.25 Iraq Baghdad 41 102 Three horrific bomb attacks on hotels leave at least three dozen dead and many more in agony.

2010.01.25 Iraq Mosul 2 0 A woman and her daughter are shot to death in their own home by Holy Warriors.

2010.01.25 Iraq Kirkuk 2 0 Two cops sitting at a gas station are wasted by Sunni gunmen.

2010.01.25 Yemen Sanaa 3 0 al-Qaeda militants attack a checkpoint, killing three local soldiers.

2010.01.24 Iraq Mosul 6 2 Six Iraqis are killed in two Mujahid bomb blasts.

2010.01.23 Pakistan Gomal 4 11 Two children are among four people dismembered by a suicide bomber.

2010.01.23 Afghanistan Helmand 1 0 A young marine is murdered by a Fedayeen suicide bomber.

2010.01.23 Afghanistan Paktika 4 3 Islamic hardliners fire into a taxi, killing three women and a boy.

2010.01.23 Pakistan Orakzai 3 0 Three local soldiers are ambushed and killed by religious extremists.

2010.01.23 Afghanistan Helmand 2 2 Muslim radicals take out two children with an IED blast.

2010.01.23 Pakistan North Waziristan 7 0 Seven civilians are kidnapped and executed by Sunni hardliners.

2010.01.23 Afghanistan Khost 1 0 A 16-year-old boy is sent straight to Allah by Taliban bombers.

2010.01.22 Iraq Baghdad 2 0 Jihadi gunmen assassinate two police officers.

2010.01.22 Afghanistan Ghazni 4 1 Four soldiers are sent to Allah by Taliban bombers.

2010.01.22 Pakistan Pattar 2 0 Two tribal elders are murdered by Muslim militants and dumped under a bridge.

2010.01.22 Pakistan Lahore 1 0 A 12-year-old Christian girl is raped, tortured and killed by her Muslim employer, a respected lawyer.

2010.01.22 Bangladesh Netrokona 0 2 A Catholic humanitarian worker and his wife are attacked by a gang of Muslims.

2010.01.21 Pakistan Bajaur 3 22 A woman is among three people blown to bits by an Islamic bomb.

2010.01.21 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 A 42-year-old defense volunteer is gunned down by Islamic radicals while riding a motorcycle.

2010.01.21 Iraq Mussayab 1 5 Mujahideen murder a cop with a roadside bomb.

2010.01.20 Iraq Mosul 0 45 A suicide bomber injures over forty Iraqis, but manages to kill only himself.

2010.01.20 Pakistan Karachi 1 0 A woman 8-months pregnant is stabbed to death with an axe and dagger by her family for marrying against their will.

2010.01.19 Somalia Bosasso 1 0 Fundamentalists shoot a man to death inside his bookstore.

2010.01.19 Somalia Mogadishu 19 30 Women and children are among nineteen killed when Islamists launch multiple assaults on 'apostates and Christian backers.'

2010.01.19 Pakistan Jandola 2 0 Islamic hardliners end the lives of two local soldiers with a bomb.

2010.01.19 Pakistan Mohmand 2 2 Religious extremists open fire on a peace committee, killing two members.

2010.01.18 Iraq Baghdad 5 0 Muslim gunmen storm a humanitarian office, killing four workers and a mother in front of her 3-year-old daughter.

2010.01.18 Afghanistan Kabul 5 71 Fedayeen stage a massive suicide attack against government buildings in the capital, leaving at least five dead.

2010.01.18 Iraq Mosul 1 0 Islamic terrorists gun down a Christian man inside a grocery.

2010.01.18 Pakistan Mohmand 1 2 The Taliban attack a village, killing a defense volunteer.

2010.01.18 Algeria Kabylie 1 0 Armed fundamentalists cut down a cop at point blank range.

2010.01.17 Iraq Kharab 3 0 According to reports, three brothers are dragged out of their home and shot to death on their doorstep by Muslim terrorists.

2010.01.17 Afghanistan Chishti Sharif 6 0 Sunni hardliners open fire on a vehicle, killing six local occupants.

2010.01.17 Nigeria Jos 48 96 Muslim youth go on a rampage, hacking about 48 Christians to death after an attack outside a church. The victims include two pastors.

2010.01.17 Thailand Pattani 1 0 A Buddhist woman is dismembered by a Muslim bomb thrown into a karaoke bar.

2010.01.17 Iraq Mosul 2 0 At least one of two men gunned down in a targeted shooting is a Christian father of two.

2010.01.17 Thailand Pattani 2 0 Two civilians are gunned down by Islamic radicals in separate attacks.

2010.01.16 Philippines North Cotabato 3 3 Three civilians are machine-gunned to death in their village by Moro Islamists.

2010.01.16 Iraq Baghdad 5 3 Five Iraqis are murdered in various Mujahideen attacks.

2010.01.15 Afghanistan Spin Boldak 5 0 A mother and her four children are successfully taken out by a fundamentalist bomb attack on their car.

2010.01.15 Somalia Lasanod 1 0 Suspected Islamists assassinate a senior police officer outside a mosque.

2010.01.15 Somalia Mogadishu 1 2 Three aid workers are kidnapped by suspected Hizbul Islam. One is found brutally murdered.

2010.01.15 Kenya Nairobi 1 5 A Muslim gunmen fires into a crowd, killing one Christian and injuring five.

2010.01.15 India Sopore 2 7 Islamic militants assault a police station, killing a civilian and one officer.

2010.01.14 Ingushetia Nazran 1 3 Islamists shoot a cop to death outside a mosque.

2010.01.14 Afghanistan Uruzgan 20 13 Three children are among twenty civilians blown to bits at a market place by a Fedayeen suicide bomber.

2010.01.14 Thailand Pattani 2 0 A Buddhist couple is shot to death by Muslims while riding to work. Their bodies are then burned.

2010.01.14 Afghanistan Helmand 1 4 A Shahid suicide bomber sends a local cop to paradise.

2010.01.14 Iraq Baqubah 2 10 Two people at a market are killed by a Mujahideen market blast.

2010.01.14 Pakistan Mohmand 2 7 Two members of a peace committee are murdered by Taliban roadside bombers while on their way home.

2010.01.14 Iraq Najaf 27 111 Twenty-seven people are massacred by three separate bomb blasts at a Shia market.

2010.01.14 India Uttar Pradesh 1 0 A 14-year-old member of the area's oppressed Hindu community is raped and killed by two Muslim men.

2010.01.13 Thailand Pattani 1 4 Islamic terrorists ambush a group of electricians, killing one.

2010.01.13 Iraq Saqlawiya 7 6 A suicide bomber sends seven Iraqis to Allah.

2010.01.13 Afghanistan Ghazni 1 6 An Afghan police officer is murdered by Sunni roadside bombers.

2010.01.13 Yemen Shabwa 2 0 Two local soldiers are cut down in an al-Qaeda ambush.

2010.01.13 Algeria Allaghane 2 0 Two security personnel are shot to death by Islamic extremists.

2010.01.13 Pakistan Tank 1 6 A child is killed from an explosive planted by religious radicals at a playground.

2010.01.13 Pakistan Hangu 1 0 A man is kidnapped and beheaded by Muslim militants, who then booby-trap the body.

2010.01.12 France Paris 0 1 An actress-playwright is doused with petrol and nearly set on fire by three Algerians angred by her negative portrayal of Muslim men.

2010.01.12 Iraq Diyala 3 5 Terrorists murder three people with a brutal bomb blast.

2010.01.12 Iraq Mosul 1 0 A 75-year-old Christian is gunned down in his grocery story by Religion of Peace militants.

2010.01.11 Afghanistan Uruzgan 1 2 A policeman is cut down by a suicide bomber.

2010.01.11 India Jammu 1 0 Pakistani terrorists shoot an Indian border guard to death.

2010.01.11 Pakistan Peshawar 1 5 One person is crushed to death in a Taliban rocket attack.

2010.01.11 Dagestan Kizlyar 2 0 A moderate cleric and a former policeman are murdered in separate attacks.

2010.01.11 Iraq Mosul 1 0 A 51-year-old Christian man is brutally gunned down while selling vegetables by the side of the road.

2010.01.10 Afghanistan Uruzgan 3 0 Three humanitarian workers die in a Taliban roadside attack.

2010.01.10 India Kulgam 2 1 Hizb-ul-Mujahideen gun down two former members who had renounced violence.

2010.01.10 Pakistan Mohmand 2 0 Suspected Islamists murder two tribal elders.

2010.01.10 Thailand Narathiwat 2 0 Two men sitting in a tea shop are blown away by Muslim terrorists with automatic weapons.

2010.01.09 Afghanistan Helmand 2 6 A British journalist is among two killed in a roadside Mujahideen bombing.

2010.01.09 Iraq Mosul 1 0 Freedom fighters kill a 16-year-old boy with a bomb.

2010.01.08 Pakistan Khyber 8 11 Three children are among eight civilians murdered by a Lashkar-e-Islam suicide bomber outside a mosque.

2010.01.08 Pakistan Bajaur 2 2 Two people are blown to bits by a Taliban roadside bomb.

2010.01.08 Iraq Ras Al-Jadeh 2 0 Jihad bombers kill two local cops.

2010.01.08 Afghanistan Logar 2 0 Two Afghans are blown away at point blank range by a Fedayeen.

2010.01.08 Pakistan Karachi 5 7 Five mourners at a funeral are shot to death by sectarian Jihadis.

2010.01.07 Iraq Hit 7 6 Women and children are among the dead when Mujahideen detonate planted bombs around the bedrooms of four homes.

2010.01.07 Egypt Nag Hamadi 7 10 Six worshippers and one guard are gunned down by Muslim radicals as they leave mass at a Christian church. A 14-year-old is among the dead.

2010.01.07 Afghanistan Nangarhar 9 44 Four children are among nine Afghans murdered by Islamic bombers in two attacks.

2010.01.07 Thailand Yala 1 0 A man is ripped in two by a Religion of Peace nail bomb.

2010.01.07 Iraq Khanaqin 3 15 Three Iraqis are cut down by a Jihadi bomb.

2010.01.07 Afghanistan Uruzgan 8 0 All eight Afghan soldiers riding in a vehicle are killed by a Taliban roadside bomb.

2010.01.06 Pakistan Sudhanoti 3 11 Three local soldiers are incinerated by a suicide bomber.

2010.01.06 Iraq Mosul 2 1 Two children are killed by a bomb in their home, suspected to have been stored there by their father.

2010.01.06 India Srinagar 3 11 Jamiat-ul-Mujahideen militants toss grenades and fire into a crowd at a shopping center, killing at least three people.

2010.01.06 Egypt Rafah 1 0 Hamas snipers take down an Egyptian soldier.

2010.01.06 Dagestan Makhachkala 6 12 A suicide bomber murders six Russian police officers.

2010.01.06 Somalia Bosasso 1 0 A lawmaker is assassinated by suspected fundamentalists.

2010.01.05 Pakistan Karachi 1 0 A 70-year-old leader of a religious minority is murdered while sitting in his store by Jihadi gunmen.

2010.01.05 Pakistan Mohmand 2 2 Two civilians are taken down by Taliban rockets.

2010.01.04 Iraq Mosul 3 1 Sunni bombers blast three civilians into pieces.

2010.01.04 Iraq Kirkuk 3 7 Three Iraqis are murdered in a Mujahideen double bombing.

2010.01.03 Iraq Tal Abta 3 0 Three road construction workers are gunned down by Muslim terrorists.

2010.01.03 Pakistan Bajaur 2 4 Two tribal elders are blown to bits by a Taliban roadside bomb.

2010.01.03 Pakistan Waziristan 2 5 A bombing and separate rocket attack leave two people dead.

2010.01.03 Pakistan Hangu 4 2 A Taliban roadside bomb ends the lives of four people.

2010.01.02 Iraq Baghdad 1 21 Jihadi bombers take out a civilian and injure two dozen others.

2010.01.02 Pakistan Orakzai 3 0 Three civilian village guards are ambushed and killed by Islamic militants.

2010.01.02 Somalia Dhusamareb 47 150 al-Shabaab Islamists assault a small town. At least four dozen people are killed in the fighting.

2010.01.02 Iraq Mosul 2 0 Two local cops are gunned down by Sunni terrorists.

2010.01.02 Afghanistan Kandahar 4 0 Four American soldiers guarding a road are murdered by a Taliban roadside bomb.

2010.01.02 Afghanistan Nimroz 5 6 Five civilians are killed when Sunni terrorists bomb their pickup truck.

2010.01.01 Somalia Hodan 1 0 Islamists murder a 41-year-old Christian convert and church leader.

2010.01.01 Pakistan Shah Hason Khel 105 100 Children are amply represented among over one hundred spectators massacred at a volleyball tournament by a Fedayeen suicide bomber.

2009.12.31 Afghanistan Uruzgan 6 0 Six civilians are beheaded by Islamic hardliners.

2009.12.31 Pakistan Kalat 2 2 Two oil truck drivers are shot to death by Muslim radicals.

2009.12.31 Thailand Yala 2 0 Two civilians riding a motorbike are shot to death by Islamic militants.

2009.12.30 Iraq Khalis 7 25 Dedicated Sunnis bomb a Shia religious festival, leaving seven dead.

2009.12.30 Afghanistan Khost 8 6 Eight American civilians are murdered by a Shahid suicide bomber at a gymnasium.

2009.12.30 Afghanistan Kandahar 5 0 A female reporter is among five Canadians killed by a Taliban roadside bomb.

2009.12.30 Iraq Ramadi 27 105 Twin suicide blasts take down over twenty-five Iraqis and leave over one hundred others with injuries, including lost limbs.

2009.12.30 India Baramulla 4 0 Hizb-ul-Mujahideen gunmen open up on four Indian cops at point-blank range, leaving all four dead.

2009.12.30 Pakistan Bajaur 1 0 A tribal elder is brutally murdered by the Taliban and dropped by the roadside.

2009.12.30 Thailand Pattani 2 0 Two volunteers guarding teachers are taken down in a Mujahideen bombing.

2009.12.30 Thailand Pattani 1 0 Muslim gunmen take out a civilian as he is driving home.

2009.12.30 Thailand Narathiwat 3 0 A Buddhist civilian is among three people killed in an Islamist drive-by shooting.

2009.12.29 Iraq Tal Massoud 5 0 Four people are shot to death and one beheaded by suspected al-Qaeda elements.

2009.12.29 Thailand Pattani 1 0 A 49-year-old man is shot to death by militant Muslims at a tea shop.

2009.12.29 Iraq Baghdad 4 18 Two woman are among four Iraqis murdered in two Jihad attacks.

2009.12.29 Pakistan Lahore 2 0 A man slits his daughter's throat, and stabs her lover to death, over a suspected illicit affair.

2009.12.29 Afghanistan Heart 1 2 A terrorist in an Afghan army uniform opens fire on three unsuspecting NATO soldiers, killing one.

2009.12.29 Thailand Pattani 1 0 A 45-year-old man is gunned down in his pickup truck by Islamic radicals.

2009.12.28 Iraq Mosul 2 0 Jihadi gunmen take down two cement workers.

2009.12.28 Afghanistan Badghis 2 3 Two local cops are murdered in a Taliban ambush.

2009.12.28 Pakistan Orakzai 9 6 Taliban hardliners assault a village, killing nine defense volunteers.

2009.12.28 Nigeria Bauchi 3 12 At least three security forces are killed during attacks by a local Islamist sect.

2009.12.28 Pakistan Chamarkand 2 5 Two local soldiers are killed in a Taliban rocket attack on their checkpoint.

2009.12.28 Somalia Gedo 1 0 Islamic militia are suspected of murdered a humanitarian worker in his home.

2009.12.28 Pakistan Karachi 45 82 More than forty people in a religious procession are sent straight to Allah by a Fedayeen suicide bomber.

2009.12.27 Iraq Touz Khormato 5 25 Five Shia pilgrims are blown to bits by Sunni terrorists.

2009.12.27 Iran Tehran 9 60 Basij militia and Islamic state police fire into a crowd of protesters, killing at least nine.

2009.12.27 Pakistan Muzaffarabad 15 100 A Shahid suicide bomber blows himself up at a rival mosque, taking at least fifteen innocents with him.

2009.12.27 Pakistan Sadda 6 0 Islamic fundamentalists blow up a family home, killing six occupants, including five young children.

2009.12.27 Thailand Yala 2 1 Islamists shoot two men to death as they are riding a motorcycle.

2009.12.26 Pakistan Punjab 0 2 Two young Christians are shot in the chest after refusing to convert to Islam.

2009.12.26 Iraq Baghdad 6 22 Two bombs, one near a tent distributing food to Shia pilgrims, leave six Iraqis dead.

2009.12.26 Pakistan Karachi 0 26 Shiite radicals are suspected of detonating a roadside bomb that injures some twenty-six people at a funeral.

2009.12.26 Thailand Pattani 1 0 A man is murdered in front of his home by Muslim separatists.

2009.12.25 Iraq Mosul 3 0 Three unarmed census workers are shot to death in cold blood by Sunni insurgents.

2009.12.25 Pakistan Peshawar 2 0 Islamists gun down two local cops.

2009.12.25 Iraq Baghdad 10 51 Ten Shiite pilgrims are murdered in three separate bombing attacks by sectarian rivals.

2009.12.25 Algeria Tizi Ouzou 1 2 A local soldier is murdered by fundamentalist bombers.

2009.12.25 Pakistan Kalar Kahar 0 60 About sixty Christians are injured when a Muslim mob attacks them during Christmas prayers.

2009.12.24 Israel Einav 1 0 An Israeli father of seven is shot to death in his car by Palestinian terrorists.

2009.12.24 Iraq Baghdad 12 53 Jihadis murder a dozen mourners when they bomb two separate funerals.

2009.12.24 Afghanistan Paktika 2 0 Two civilians are murdered by Jihadi roadside bombers.

2009.12.24 Pakistan Peshawar 4 24 A suicide bomber detonates near a Christian school, killing four others.

2009.12.24 Afghanistan Kandahar 8 3 A Shahid suicide bomber on a horse car murders eight innocent people.

2009.12.24 Iraq Hilla 25 105 A crowded bus station is the target of Sunni bombers, who leave twenty-five Iraqis dead and nearly one hundred more in agony.

2009.12.24 Iraq Kirkuk 4 0 Four Iraqis are gunned down by suspected al-Qaeda militants.

2009.12.24 Pakistan Rawalpindi 1 2 A 6-year-old girl is dismembered by a suicide bomber.

2009.12.24 Somalia Mogadishu 6 25 Six civilians are killed during an attack by Hizb al-Islam fundamentalists.

2009.12.24 Iraq Mosul 1 0 A Christian is gunned down in front of his home by Islamists.

2009.12.23 Afghanistan Spin Boldak 2 3 Talibanis take down two civilians with a roadside bomb.

2009.12.23 Iraq Mosul 2 0 A bomb placed near an ancient Christian church kills two people.

2009.12.23 Afghanistan Helmand 3 5 Three innocents are cut down by a Taliban bomb planted on a bicycle.

2009.12.23 Iraq Baghdad 5 46 Sunni bombers murder five Shia pilgrims in three separate attacks.

2009.12.23 Afghanistan Helmand 3 4 Three civilians are killed when fundamentalists detonate a bomb at a bazaar.

2009.12.22 Thailand Pattani 1 0 A 37-year-old father is shot full of holes by Muslim militants after dropping his children off at school.

2009.12.22 India Pampore 2 1 Hizbul Mujahideen militants shoot two local cops to death.

2009.12.22 Iraq Iskandariya 1 4 A civilian dies from shrapnel injures after Jihadis detonate a bomb on a minibus.

2009.12.22 Thailand Pattani 1 1 Islamic gunmen fire into a family home, killing a 3-year-old girl and seriously injuring her sister.

2009.12.22 Pakistan Peshawar 3 16 A woman is among three people at a press club blown to bits by a Shahid suicide bomber.

2009.12.21 Iraq Tal Afar 4 5 A Fedayeen suicide bomber takes out four Iraqis.

2009.12.21 Somalia Mogadishu 5 0 Five Somalis near a minibus are murdered by al-Shabaab bombers.

2009.12.21 Yemen Abyan 2 9 al-Qaeda militants booby-trap an area with explosives, killing two civilians.

2009.12.20 Iraq Mosul 2 0 Mujahideen gun down two local cops.

2009.12.20 Somalia Mogadishu 1 3 One Somali is killed in a mortar attack by Islamic militia.

2009.12.19 Thailand Narathiwat 3 2 Three Buddhists are incinerated when Muslim insurgents blow up a gas tank next to their truck.

2009.12.19 Pakistan Poonch 1 2 An Indian border guard is shot by a Muslim sniper from Pakistan.

2009.12.19 Iraq Mosul 3 1 Jihadi gunmen take down three Iraqis in separate attacks.

2009.12.18 Pakistan Lower Dir 15 28 Children are among fifteen people blown to bits a mosque by a Shahid suicide bomber.

2009.12.18 Somalia Mogadishu 2 4 Two civilians are killed when a mortar fired by suspected Islamic militia strikes a house.

2009.12.18 Iraq Sulaimaniyah 1 0 A civilian is gunned down on his doorstep by Muslim terrorists.

2009.12.18 Pakistan Haripur 3 0 A man and his wife are among three killed in their home by suspected Islamic hardliners.

2009.12.18 India Pulwama 2 0 Two people are dragged from their homes and murdered by Mujahideen. One has his throat slit.

2009.12.17 Iraq Mosul 1 0 A 30-year-old Christian man is shot to death in cold blood by Mujahideen.

2009.12.17 Afghanistan Kandahar 7 3 Five women are among seven people murdered by Taliban roadside bombers.

2009.12.17 Pakistan Bara Tehsil 3 5 Three security force personnel are murdered in Taliban ambushes.

2009.12.17 Iraq Baghdad 1 10 A pedestrian is killed by a roadside bomb.

2009.12.17 Thailand Yala 2 0 A 2-year-old girl is gunned down along with her father by Holy Warriors.

2009.12.17 Ingushetia Nazran 2 24 Children are among the casualties of a suicide bombing. A separate shooting leaves two dead.

[Hardback]

Estimate deads Irak+Afghanistan war is 1.500.000 people a war crime with fake informations for the public......

Unlikelynumbers however if were true - good to be rid of the terrorist scum.

If you add Iraqi deaths in the first Gulf war (1991) and then the deaths of civilians as a result of sanctions (1991 - 2003) and then the current numbers (2003-2010) up the numbers killed in Iraq easily make more than a million. The fact that they are "terrorist scum" is the part that is highly unlikely..or are you one of the people that think Iraq had something to do with 9/11?

[britmaveric]

Well there is AQ in Iraq.... Any rate good riddance to them, however most of the deaths are self inflicted if the truth be told. Scum blowing up their own muslims.

[sharecropper]

Estimate deads Irak+Afghanistan war is 1.500.000 people a war crime with fake informations for the public......

Unlikelynumbers however if were true - good to be rid of the terrorist scum.

I think large proportion of this number, which I don't accept by the way, will be innocent civilians hit by friendly fire, mistargetted bombings, Blackwater murderers etc.

However on the other side, does it include the inter-faith murders between Shia and Sunni militias in Iraq which were truly horrific and at one point seemed likely to throw the whole place into civil war?

But generally the OP makes a valid point. Thailand has had a free ride in terms of how the South has not been internationalised.

Somehow it all goes on without - fortunately - the attention of global Islamic groups getting involved, without it fanning into more tourist areas of Thailand, and without international calls to do something more serious about it and not just launch overpriced, useless airships and arming private citizens.

Edited February 16, 2010 by sharecropper

[sokal]

Estimate deads Irak+Afghanistan war is 1.500.000 people a war crime with fake informations for the public......

Unlikelynumbers however if were true - good to be rid of the terrorist scum.

If you add Iraqi deaths in the first Gulf war (1991) and then the deaths of civilians as a result of sanctions (1991 - 2003) and then the current numbers (2003-2010) up the numbers killed in Iraq easily make more than a million. The fact that they are "terrorist scum" is the part that is highly unlikely..or are you one of the people that think Iraq had something to do with 9/11?

The 3 week war that it took to take down Saddam Hussains regime killed less civilians then the attacks on 9/11 did. 99% of the other deaths in Iraq are the result of muslim on muslim fighting, Sunni vs Sheite.

[Ulysses G.]

Estimate deads Irak+Afghanistan war is 1.500.000 people a war crime with fake informations for the public......

Unlikelynumbers however if were true - good to be rid of the terrorist scum.

Britmaveric always tells it like it is!

[sharecropper]

Muslim terrorists are the only constant in these situations

Well, yes, in Islamic terrorism situations, 100% correct.

Your stats are interesting but extremely selective. No Mexico terrorist killings in there for example.

What about communist insurgents in India and Bangladesh, the political terrorism rife across the whole of South America, the Buddhist terrorists in the South killing Muslims in revenge attacks, the recent massacre on Mindanao by a (Christian) political gang against innocent (Christian) press and civilians, Continuity IRA in Northern Ireland, druglord terrorism threatening to destablise the country of Mexico, Colombian terrorism, again fuelled by drugs. The list goes on and on.

If you read up a bit more about the wider world, there is more to murdering innocent civilians than Islam and religion. Politics, drugs and turf wars mostly.

Edited February 16, 2010 by sharecropper

[sokal]

Muslim terrorists are the only constant in these situations

Well, yes, in Islamic terrorism situations, 100% correct.

Your stats are interesting but extremely selective. No Mexico terrorist killings in there for example.

What about communist insurgents in India and Bangladesh, the political terrorism rife across the whole of South America, the Buddhist terrorists in the South killing Muslims in revenge attacks, the recent massacre on Mindanao by a (Christian) political gang against innocent (Christian) press and civilians, Continuity IRA in Northern Ireland, druglord terrorism threatening to destablise the country of Mexico, Colombian terrorism, again fuelled by drugs. The list goes on and on.

If you read up a bit more about the wider world, there is more to murdering innocent civilians than Islam and religion. Politics, drugs and turf wars mostly.

Bringing other religions down to the level of Islam is one of the most popular strategies of Muslim apologists when confronted with the spectacle of Islamic violence. Remember Timothy McVeigh, the Oklahoma City bomber? Why pick on Islam if other religions have the same problems?

The Truth:

Because they don’t.

Regardless of what his birth certificate may or may not have said, Timothy McVeigh was not a religious man (in fact, he was an atheist). At no time did he credit his deeds to religion, quote Bible verses, or claim that he killed for God.

The so-called “members of other faiths” alluded to by Muslims are nearly always just nominal members who have no active involvement. They are neither inspired by, nor do they credit religion as Muslim terrorists do - and this is what makes it a very different matter.

Yes, some of the abortion clinic bombers were religious (as Muslims enjoy pointing out), but consider the scope of the problem. There have been six deadly attacks over a 36 year period in the U.S. Eight people died. This is an average of one death every 4.5 years.

By contrast, Islamic terrorists staged nearly ten thousand deadly attacks in just the six years following September 11th, 2001. If one goes back to 1971, when Muslim armies in Bangladesh began the mass slaughter of Hindus, through the years of Jihad in the Sudan, Kashmir and Algeria, and the present-day Sunni-Shia violence in Iraq, the number of innocents killed in the name of Islam probably exceeds five million over this same period.

In the last six years, there have been perhaps a dozen or so religiously-inspired killings by people of all other faiths combined. No other religion produces the killing sprees that Islam does nearly every day of the year. Neither do they have verses in their holy texts that arguably support it. Nor do they have large groups across the globe dedicated to the mass murder of people who worship a different god, as the broader community of believers struggles with ambivalence and tolerance for a radical clergy that supports the terror.

[sharecropper]

Muslim terrorists are the only constant in these situations

Well, yes, in Islamic terrorism situations, 100% correct.

Your stats are interesting but extremely selective. No Mexico terrorist killings in there for example.

What about communist insurgents in India and Bangladesh, the political terrorism rife across the whole of South America, the Buddhist terrorists in the South killing Muslims in revenge attacks, the recent massacre on Mindanao by a (Christian) political gang against innocent (Christian) press and civilians, Continuity IRA in Northern Ireland, druglord terrorism threatening to destablise the country of Mexico, Colombian terrorism, again fuelled by drugs. The list goes on and on.

If you read up a bit more about the wider world, there is more to murdering innocent civilians than Islam and religion. Politics, drugs and turf wars mostly.

Bringing other religions down to the level of Islam is one of the most popular strategies of Muslim apologists when confronted with the spectacle of Islamic violence. Remember Timothy McVeigh, the Oklahoma City bomber? Why pick on Islam if other religions have the same problems?

The Truth:

Because they don’t.

Regardless of what his birth certificate may or may not have said, Timothy McVeigh was not a religious man (in fact, he was an atheist). At no time did he credit his deeds to religion, quote Bible verses, or claim that he killed for God.

The so-called “members of other faiths” alluded to by Muslims are nearly always just nominal members who have no active involvement. They are neither inspired by, nor do they credit religion as Muslim terrorists do - and this is what makes it a very different matter.

Yes, some of the abortion clinic bombers were religious (as Muslims enjoy pointing out), but consider the scope of the problem. There have been six deadly attacks over a 36 year period in the U.S. Eight people died. This is an average of one death every 4.5 years.

By contrast, Islamic terrorists staged nearly ten thousand deadly attacks in just the six years following September 11th, 2001. If one goes back to 1971, when Muslim armies in Bangladesh began the mass slaughter of Hindus, through the years of Jihad in the Sudan, Kashmir and Algeria, and the present-day Sunni-Shia violence in Iraq, the number of innocents killed in the name of Islam probably exceeds five million over this same period.

In the last six years, there have been perhaps a dozen or so religiously-inspired killings by people of all other faiths combined. No other religion produces the killing sprees that Islam does nearly every day of the year. Neither do they have verses in their holy texts that arguably support it. Nor do they have large groups across the globe dedicated to the mass murder of people who worship a different god, as the broader community of believers struggles with ambivalence and tolerance for a radical clergy that supports the terror.

Ignoring your presumably intended-to-be insulting remark of my being a "Muslim apologist" whatever that actually means (did you mean "muslim terrorist apologist, or that I might make an apology for someone who holds a deep sense of faith"?), your reply completely failed to grasp my main point which was, why are you focussing on religious terrorism and specifically Muslim terrorism when, as a broader global issue, I believe terrorism linked to drugs and politics claim many more victims each year than relgion-inspired terrorism?

[bonobo]

This is a rational topic for this forum, but the potential to slide into simpy bashing other religions or ethnic groups is rife.  Please watch your posts and keep within ThaiVisa posting rules.

Thanks.

[sokal]

Muslim terrorists are the only constant in these situations

Well, yes, in Islamic terrorism situations, 100% correct.

Your stats are interesting but extremely selective. No Mexico terrorist killings in there for example.

What about communist insurgents in India and Bangladesh, the political terrorism rife across the whole of South America, the Buddhist terrorists in the South killing Muslims in revenge attacks, the recent massacre on Mindanao by a (Christian) political gang against innocent (Christian) press and civilians, Continuity IRA in Northern Ireland, druglord terrorism threatening to destablise the country of Mexico, Colombian terrorism, again fuelled by drugs. The list goes on and on.

If you read up a bit more about the wider world, there is more to murdering innocent civilians than Islam and religion. Politics, drugs and turf wars mostly.

Bringing other religions down to the level of Islam is one of the most popular strategies of Muslim apologists when confronted with the spectacle of Islamic violence. Remember Timothy McVeigh, the Oklahoma City bomber? Why pick on Islam if other religions have the same problems?

The Truth:

Because they don’t.

Regardless of what his birth certificate may or may not have said, Timothy McVeigh was not a religious man (in fact, he was an atheist). At no time did he credit his deeds to religion, quote Bible verses, or claim that he killed for God.

The so-called “members of other faiths” alluded to by Muslims are nearly always just nominal members who have no active involvement. They are neither inspired by, nor do they credit religion as Muslim terrorists do - and this is what makes it a very different matter.

Yes, some of the abortion clinic bombers were religious (as Muslims enjoy pointing out), but consider the scope of the problem. There have been six deadly attacks over a 36 year period in the U.S. Eight people died. This is an average of one death every 4.5 years.

By contrast, Islamic terrorists staged nearly ten thousand deadly attacks in just the six years following September 11th, 2001. If one goes back to 1971, when Muslim armies in Bangladesh began the mass slaughter of Hindus, through the years of Jihad in the Sudan, Kashmir and Algeria, and the present-day Sunni-Shia violence in Iraq, the number of innocents killed in the name of Islam probably exceeds five million over this same period.

In the last six years, there have been perhaps a dozen or so religiously-inspired killings by people of all other faiths combined. No other religion produces the killing sprees that Islam does nearly every day of the year. Neither do they have verses in their holy texts that arguably support it. Nor do they have large groups across the globe dedicated to the mass murder of people who worship a different god, as the broader community of believers struggles with ambivalence and tolerance for a radical clergy that supports the terror.

Ignoring your presumably intended-to-be insulting remark of my being a "Muslim apologist" whatever that actually means (did you mean "muslim terrorist apologist, or that I might make an apology for someone who holds a deep sense of faith"?), your reply completely failed to grasp my main point which was, why are you focussing on religious terrorism and specifically Muslim terrorism when, as a broader global issue, I believe terrorism linked to drugs and politics claim many more victims each year than relgion-inspired terrorism?

The numbers are NOT EVEN CLOSE, drugs and politics do not come even remotely close, I proved that a couple posts ago and I will prove it agian right now from STRATFOR geopolitical intelligencer.

Monthly Report

January, 2010

Jihad Attacks:

145

Countries:

16

Religions:

5

Dead Bodies:

683

Critically Injured:

1251

Edited February 16, 2010 by sokal

[sharecropper]

The numbers are NOT EVEN CLOSE, drugs and politics do not come even remotely close, I proved that a couple posts ago and I will prove it agian right now from STRATFOR geopolitical intelligencer.

Monthly Report

January, 2010

Jihad Attacks:

145

Countries:

16

Religions:

5

Dead Bodies:

683

Critically Injured:

1251

I proved that a couple posts ago and I will prove it agian right now

You haven't proved anything yet.

There is something missing from your "proof" above, like the numbers of people murdered from political and drug-fuelled terrorism in the same period? That is what you are supposed to be proving isn't it, that the number of religious killings are greater than these?

[Hardback]

Estimate deads Irak+Afghanistan war is 1.500.000 people a war crime with fake informations for the public......

Unlikelynumbers however if were true - good to be rid of the terrorist scum.

If you add Iraqi deaths in the first Gulf war (1991) and then the deaths of civilians as a result of sanctions (1991 - 2003) and then the current numbers (2003-2010) up the numbers killed in Iraq easily make more than a million. The fact that they are "terrorist scum" is the part that is highly unlikely..or are you one of the people that think Iraq had something to do with 9/11?

The 3 week war that it took to take down Saddam Hussains regime killed less civilians then the attacks on 9/11 did. 99% of the other deaths in Iraq are the result of muslim on muslim fighting, Sunni vs Sheite.

you are completely wrong. Even the USAF puts the casualties at 10 - 20,000 dead....other figures which take into account post war issues go as high as 100,000.

[sokal]

The 3 week war that it took to take down Saddam Hussains regime killed less civilians then the attacks on 9/11 did. 99% of the other deaths in Iraq are the result of muslim on muslim fighting, Sunni vs Sheite.

you are completely wrong. Even the USAF puts the casualties at 10 - 20,000 dead....other figures which take into account post war issues go as high as 100,000.

During all of 2006, one of the worst years in Iraq, less than 200 Iraqi civilians were killed by American bombs and bullets so I am not even going to consider that 2000 died in the first 3 weeks. All but a tiny handful occurred in action that involved the terrorists, and many (if not most) of these civilians may have been killed by the terrorists themselves in firefights with the Americans.

Iraq is not an inaccessible backwater. It has a modern communications infrastructure, as well as hospitals and morgues. It is simply unfeasible that 600 civilians could die everyday from violence without the morgues, news media, or the police knowing about it. One might also wonder why millions of others would decline to seek medical treatment for the serious injuries that they are alleged to have suffered (according to another part of the same report), since they never showed up in hospitals. Taken at face value, this would be about 1 in 3 residents of the Sunni triangle who are supposed to have been maimed.

[sokal]

The numbers are NOT EVEN CLOSE, drugs and politics do not come even remotely close, I proved that a couple posts ago and I will prove it agian right now from STRATFOR geopolitical intelligencer.

Monthly Report

January, 2010

Jihad Attacks:

145

Countries:

16

Religions:

5

Dead Bodies:

683

Critically Injured:

1251

I proved that a couple posts ago and I will prove it agian right now

You haven't proved anything yet.

There is something missing from your "proof" above, like the numbers of people murdered from political and drug-fuelled terrorism in the same period? That is what you are supposed to be proving isn't it, that the number of religious killings are greater than these?

Like Ireland ?

More civilians are killed every three months by Islamic terrorists than died in the entire 36 years of the Northern Ireland "Troubles." In fact, 19 Muslim radicals killed far more innocent people in just two hours on September 11th than the number of non-combatants killed over Northern Ireland in three and a half decades.

[sharecropper]

Like Ireland ?

More civilians are killed every three months by Islamic terrorists than died in the entire 36 years of the Northern Ireland "Troubles." In fact, 19 Muslim radicals killed far more innocent people in just two hours on September 11th than the number of non-combatants killed over Northern Ireland in three and a half decades.

This is like having a tutorial with a particularly dense student.

No, I am not mentioning JUST "Ireland". You just selected that to justify your figures.

I have already mentioned Mexico, for one, and other South American countries for drugs murders, and also political insurgencies around the world. So why not start there and let's what you can come up with.

I will even help you. Mexico alone has had over 18,000 drug related murders in the past 6 years. Now add OTHER countries in South America, AND from around the world, and THEN ADD political insurgencies around the world, and see what figure you come up with.

Don't just select something that makes your figures look good and you look bad, like 'Ireland".

Edited February 17, 2010 by sharecropper

[sokal]

Like Ireland ?

More civilians are killed every three months by Islamic terrorists than died in the entire 36 years of the Northern Ireland "Troubles." In fact, 19 Muslim radicals killed far more innocent people in just two hours on September 11th than the number of non-combatants killed over Northern Ireland in three and a half decades.

This is like having a tutorial with a particularly dense student.

No, I am not mentioning JUST "Ireland". You just selected that to justify your figures.

I have already mentioned Mexico, for one, and other South American countries for drugs murders, and also political insurgencies around the world. So why not start there and let's what you can come up with.

I will even help you. Mexico alone has had over 18,000 drug related murders in the past 6 years. Now add OTHER countries in South America, AND from around the world, and THEN ADD political insurgencies around the world, and see what figure you come up with.

Don't just select something that makes your figures look good and you look bad, like 'Ireland".

Drug related crimes and murders to not fit the definition of terrorism in any way shape or form. Civil wars also do not fit the definition of terrorism. I cannot find one non-muslim incident that properly fits the definition of intercontinental terrorism.

Why do we all have to take are shoes off to be scanned before board a plane ? Its not because of some civil war in Sri Lanka or turf wars in S America or Africa. It is for only one reason and you know it.

[sharecropper]

Drug related crimes and murders to not fit the definition of terrorism in any way shape or form. Civil wars also do not fit the definition of terrorism.

Wrong again, and I do wish you would stop talking rubbish in absolute terms like Drug related crimes and murders to not fit the definition of terrorism in any way shape or formjust so you can trumpet your blindly anti-Islamic agenda.

My Oxford Engish Dictionary defines a terrorist as "a person who uses or favours violent and intimidating methods of coercing a government or community".

Most people know that.

But I guess you aren't ever going to be able to sensibly reason with my argument, so goodbye.

Edited February 17, 2010 by sharecropper

[sokal]

Drug related crimes and murders to not fit the definition of terrorism in any way shape or form. Civil wars also do not fit the definition of terrorism.

Wrong again, and I do wish you would stop talking rubbish in absolute terms like Drug related crimes and murders to not fit the definition of terrorism in any way shape or formjust so you can trumpet your blindly anti-Islamic agenda.

My Oxford Engish Dictionary defines a terrorist as "a person who uses or favours violent and intimidating methods of coercing a government or community".

Most people know that.

But I guess you aren't ever going to be able to sensibly reason with my argument, so goodbye.

Drug crime is not terrorism. The hells angels are not on any countries list of terrorist groups.

Its not because of drug crime that we need to put are liquids in plastic bags, scan our shoes and walk through full body scanners. (I am glad I am in good shape) Are you ? or are the scanner attendants going to chucle every time you go through them ?

[elcent]

Drug crime, pimping, human smuggling is financing terrorism. Even for the own people in a Muslim country it is handled with death penalty when using it, it is alright to feed and hook the infidels into it.

[Gary A]

I'm all in favor of negotiating with the lunatic muslims. I'll happily support the left wing liberals who would like to go start the negotiations. It appears that we have a few right here on Thai Visa.

[buddy]

Just look at the Thailand percentages below, go above a certain percentage and peaceful coexistance starts to breakdown.

Source from Dr. Peter Hammond's book: Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat.

Results of Muslim Populations

Hard numbers..Worldwide percentages of Muslims by location and what the consequences means to non-Muslim Countries.

Islam is not a religion, nor is it a cult. In its fullest form, it is a complete, total, 100% system of Government of your life.

Islam has religious, legal, political, economic, social and military components.

The religious component is a beard for all of the other components.

Islamization begins when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their religious privileges.

When politically correct, tolerant, and culturally diverse societies as is the UK agree to Muslim demands for their religious

privileges, some of the other components creep in as well.

Here's how it works:

As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a

peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the case in:

United States -- Muslim 0.6%

Australia -- Muslim 1.5%

Canada -- Muslim 1.9%

China -- Muslim 1.8%

Italy -- Muslim 1.5%

Norway -- Muslim 1.8%

At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize (To recruit and induce someone to convert to Islam).

from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the

unemployed, jails and among street gangs. This is happening in:

Denmark -- Muslim 2%

Germany -- Muslim 3.7%

United Kingdom -- Muslim 2.7%

Spain -- Muslim 4%

Thailand -- Muslim 4.6%

From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population.

For example, they will push for the introduction of halal meat (clean by Islamic standards , but in reality is religious cruelty applied to slaughtering animals) thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal meat on their shelves -- along with threats for failure to comply.

This is occurring in:

France -- Muslim 8%

Philippines -- 5%

Sweden -- Muslim 5%

Switzerland -- Muslim 4.3%

The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5%

Trinidad & Tobago -- Muslim 5.8%

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their predominant areas and ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law.

The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

When Muslims approach 10% of the population,

They tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions.

In Paris, France , we are already seeing Muslim riots and car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam , with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam.

Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections in:

Guyana -- Muslim 10%

India -- Muslim 13.4%

Israel -- Muslim 16%

Kenya -- Muslim 10%

Russia -- Muslim 15%

After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings

of Christian churches, Jewish synagogues, Buddhist and Hindu Temples such as in:

Ethiopia -- Muslim 32.8%

At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:

Bosnia -- Muslim 40%

Chad -- Muslim 53.1%

Lebanon -- Muslim 59.7%

From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims),

sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the unfair tax placed on infidels (non-Muslims), such as in:

Albania -- Muslim 70%

Malaysia -- Muslim 60.4%?

Qatar -- Muslim 77..5%

Sudan -- Muslim 70%

After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these

nations drive out the infidels (non-Muslims), and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in:

Bangladesh -- Muslim 83%

Egypt -- Muslim 90%

Gaza -- Muslim 98.7%

Indonesia -- Muslim 86.1%

Iran -- Muslim 98%

Iraq -- Muslim 97%

Jordan -- Muslim 92%

Morocco -- Muslim 98..7%

Pakistan -- Muslim 97%

Palestine -- Muslim 99%

Syria -- Muslim 90%

Tajikistan -- Muslim 90%

Turkey -- Muslim 99.8%

United Arab Emirates -- Muslim 96%

A 100% Muslim World will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' -- the Islamic House of Peace?

Here there's supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrasses (Muslim Schools) are the only schools permitted, and the Muslim Koran is the only word, such as in:

Afghanistan -- Muslim 100%

Saudi Arabia -- Muslim 100%

Somalia -- Muslim 100%

Yemen -- Muslim 100%

Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% States the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, Misogyny (hatred against females) and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.

'Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our

father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; the tribe against the world, and all of us against the infidel. -- Leon Uris, 'The Haj'

It is important to understand that in some countries,with well under 100% Muslim populations, such as France , the minority

Muslim populations live in ghettos, within which they are 100% Muslim, and within which they live by Sharia Law.

The national police do not even enter these ghettos. There are no national courts, nor schools, nor non-Muslim religious facilities. In such situations, Muslims do not integrate into the community at large.

The children attend madrasses (Muslim Schools),They learn only the Koran. To even associate with an infidel (non-Muslim) is a crime punishable with death. Therefore, in some areas of certain nations, Muslim Imams, Mullahs (islamic Priests) and extremists exercise more power than the national average would indicate.

Today's 1.5 billion Muslims make up 22% of the world's population. But their birth rates dwarf the birth rates of Christians,

Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, and all other believers put together. Muslims will exceed 50% of the world's population by the end of this century.