Perv Teacher Under Arrest !

[RDN]

...If MJ is found not guilty...

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You've found him guilty already then?

[Zarkow]

Hopefully, we can put this state by state confusion to rest once and for all.  He is violating FEDERAL law and faces a 20 year FEDERAL sentence in a FEDERAL prison (no parole, btw in federal prisons). It matters not whether he is from Maine, Florida, Alaska, or California. There is ONE law in this case... and it's a federal case.

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And I thank you for your info.

Just one thing then, since different states Do have different ages for consent (and drinking, and driving license, and so on) - what federal law is he breaking...or, at what age does the federal law state it's legal to have sex between to consenting adults?

In Sweden the age-limit is 15 (but the age-limit for pictures are 18).

[RDN]

...Being bald as a coot myself...

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Join the club:

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My mother (80 years old and a feisty as ever) often describes my head as being as smooth as the baker's wife's bum (something to do with the baker's floury hands I think).

Have a go at that one, RDN.

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No, sorry, I've got no pics of a floury baker's wife's bum.

Ooh, no, wait a minute.... ah, no, something else.

[custard]

I'm convinced he aint the only one. The others will just have to watch out now.

[The Coder]

...If MJ is found not guilty...

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You've found him guilty already then?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

No, I was not intending to cast a ruling and dont' know all the facts of the case. From what I have seen, the MJ case seems to revolve around a similar theme; consensual sleeping with boys and some hanky panky going on. MJ has been very open that he thinks this is perfectly ok and perhaps prowler does too. I would think the ruling in the MJ case will set a strong precedent either way. Put yourself in shoes of a parent for a moment. How would it be if your kids were sleeping with the bloke next door and perfectly legal? I would think parents and law enforcement would find a not guilty verdict nightmarish. Does that clear things up?

Edited May 12, 2005 by The Coder

[Zarkow]

From what I have seen, the MJ case seems to revolve around a similar theme; consensual sleeping with boys and some hanky panky going on. MJ has been very open that he thinks this is perfectly ok and perhaps prowler does too. I would think the ruling in the MJ case will set a strong precedent either way. Put yourself in shoes of a parent for a moment. How would it be if your kids were sleeping with the bloke next door and perfectly legal? I would think parents and law enforcement would find a not guilty verdict nightmarish. Does that clear things up?

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In MJs case he has said that sleeping in the same room, one person on the floor and one in the bed, or both in bed, on either side of it, is ok. Not anything else. Don't jump the gun just yet.

And _sleeping_ with an adult can't be illegal. Even in soccer-mom-america.

Edited May 12, 2005 by Zarkow

[The_Moog]

That guy in germany got 10 years for eating his gay chum.

You lot want 20 years for Steven Prowler, who didn't eat anyone

ps Mchael Jackson topic is not something that Mods see as relevant to Thai visa - and rightly so.

[americana]

The paedophile was an associate of Bankok Phil, of ajarn.com fame. He apparently knew him for years and had no idea. Just goes to show you can't trust anyone!

http://ajarnforum.net/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=5898

[Thomas_Merton]

...Being bald as a coot myself...

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Join the club:

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My mother (80 years old and a feisty as ever) often describes my head as being as smooth as the baker's wife's bum (something to do with the baker's floury hands I think).

Have a go at that one, RDN.

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No, sorry, I've got no pics of a floury baker's wife's bum.

Ooh, no, wait a minute.... ah, no, something else.

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Better get rid of them - and your arm-pit hair collection, plus pay all your debts - you never know with those boys in brown!

Edited May 12, 2005 by Thomas_Merton

[Neeranam]

The paedophile was an associate of Bankok Phil, of ajarn.com fame. He apparently knew him for years and had no idea. Just goes to show you can't trust anyone!

Not an associate, a colleague, and as I said earlier, we had our suspicions of him sleeping with teenage boys, not that young though.

[chanchao]

Ok, let me pre-empt what will undoubtably follow, namely some barrage on forum member(s) who knew him, and why they didn't act or check and all that.. Let's not go there.

Keep in mind that quite a few of the posters on this topic will on occasion, and perhaps without knowing/checking, have had sexual relations with someone under 18.. The same age group (15-17) this guy is accused of taking advantage of.

If it gets personal then posts will be deleted or the topic will be (temporarily) closed..

Cheers,

Chanchao

[maerim]

You lot want 20 years for Steven Prowler, who didn't eat anyone

Are you sure?

From what I can gather he had just had oral sex before he was busted.

[The_Moog]

From what I can gather he had just had oral sex before he was busted.

What I don't get is ....given he was fellating them, why weren't they paying him?

Seems he got the worst of both sides of the deal.

[sriracha john]

Hopefully, we can put this state by state confusion to rest once and for all.  He is violating FEDERAL law and faces a 20 year FEDERAL sentence in a FEDERAL prison (no parole, btw in federal prisons). It matters not whether he is from Maine, Florida, Alaska, or California. There is ONE law in this case... and it's a federal case.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

And I thank you for your info.

Just one thing then, since different states Do have different ages for consent (and drinking, and driving license, and so on) - what federal law is he breaking...or, at what age does the federal law state it's legal to have sex between to consenting adults?

In Sweden the age-limit is 15 (but the age-limit for pictures are 18).

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It's a rather new law aimed at Americans procuring under-age sex overseas. The age at which the law applies in regards to under-age is anyone under 18.

[sriracha john]

That guy in germany got 10 years for eating his gay chum.

You lot want 20 years for Steven Prowler, who didn't eat anyone

ps Mchael Jackson topic is not something that Mods see as relevant to Thai visa - and rightly so.

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The 20 year sentence is in the sentencing guidelines of the federal law, they aren't "our" standards.

The length of time is related to the severity of the crime in that it involves children.

In my estimation, the German sentence of 10 years for a cannibalistic homicide is rather an extremely light sentence.

[sriracha john]

Ok, let me pre-empt what will undoubtably follow, namely some barrage on forum member(s) who knew him, and why they didn't act or check and all that..  Let's not go there.

Keep in mind that quite a few of the posters on this topic will on occasion, and perhaps without knowing/checking, have had sexual relations with someone under 18.. The same age group (15-17) this guy is accused of taking advantage of.

If it gets personal then posts will be deleted or the topic will be (temporarily) closed..

Cheers,

Chanchao

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With all due respect, he's been charged with having sex with children as young as 11, which IMHO, certainly takes his actions in a much more sinister direction.

[Thomas_Merton]

Ok, let me pre-empt what will undoubtably follow, namely some barrage on forum member(s) who knew him, and why they didn't act or check and all that..  Let's not go there.

Keep in mind that quite a few of the posters on this topic will on occasion, and perhaps without knowing/checking, have had sexual relations with someone under 18.. The same age group (15-17) this guy is accused of taking advantage of.

If it gets personal then posts will be deleted or the topic will be (temporarily) closed..

Cheers,

Chanchao

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With all due respect, he's been charged with having sex with children as young as 11, which IMHO, certainly takes his actions in a much more sinister direction.

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With due respect to you also, Sir. I was always taught that the principle premise of a fair judicial system was – a man is innocent until proven guilty.

It seems every time a farang is accused of a sex crime, every castrator and voyeuristic retard on the forum has to have their 15 mins of fame denigrating the accused.

All I can say is, thank God this alleged perpetrator wasn’t also a beggar on a rainy day stealing jewellery with drugs going by the name of Scamp.

[sriracha john]

Additional information released:

The Bangkok Criminal Court granted the police permission to hold the teacher for 12 more days on Thursday.

But the court turned down the suspect's request for bail, as they feared the man would flee or interfere with the victims.

Mr. Prowler was escorted back to his cell after the court hearing pending further questioning on two charges of buying sex from under-aged boys and paedophilia.

Edited May 13, 2005 by sriracha john

[Ijustwannateach]

... two teenagers who said they just had oral sex with him," Colonel Surat Udomrat told Reuters. The two were aged 15 and 17, police said.

In the apartment police said they found 500 postcard-sized photos of naked male teenagers, mostly Thais aged between 11 and 17....

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...Notice how "11" and "17" year olds show up both in the age of the photos AND in the ages of the boys "he had just slept with." ...

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I'm not disagreeing with your general sentiment Steve, but the ages were 15 and 17, and 11 and 17. (Unless someone edited the post after you read it ).

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Oops, you're right, my bad!

[Ijustwannateach]

If he is deported it will also be a case of what state he is from...or charged in. Not sure how they will work that thing out...since it varies alot from state to state what the age of concent is. And sex with 'minors' (i.e. below the age-limit) is in many states statiotory (*sp*) rape per automatic. So he could in theory be from a state where his actions are legal (well, not the under-15-kids, taking pictures or paying them for sex...but the actuall act of sex with an 15 or 17-year-old then) but the goverment working on the case might be located in a state where it is not... any americans can probably fill in the blanks here.

Good riddance they caught him anyway. We don't need more farangs paying for sex with poor people here.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Hopefully, we can put this state by state confusion to rest once and for all. He is violating FEDERAL law and faces a 20 year FEDERAL sentence in a FEDERAL prison (no parole, btw in federal prisons). It matters not whether he is from Maine, Florida, Alaska, or California. There is ONE law in this case... and it's a federal case.

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Um, sorry to burst your bubble, but once again the federal law only applies to interstate commerce.

If the guy was working at one of the hoity-toity high level schools here in Bangkok, he probably had a real work permit, visa extension, etc. Which means that in fact his (official) purpose for being here was work, not to have technically illegal liaisons or make porn. Which means that the U.S. "domain" over interstate commerce does not apply. That may be why recent news articles have moved more and more towards claiming that the Thais bagged this guy on their own rather than the tone of earlier articles which emphasized Western involvement.

Once again, the it is still the law of Thailand which pertains to actual residents in Thailand (though not necessarily certain kinds of tourists). I predict that if this guy does any time it will be in Thailand.

That said, the more I read about him, the more I suspect they will have SOMEthing to convict him on... he does seem to be dodgy.

[sriracha john]

If he is deported it will also be a case of what state he is from...or charged in. Not sure how they will work that thing out...since it varies alot from state to state what the age of concent is. And sex with 'minors' (i.e. below the age-limit) is in many states statiotory (*sp*) rape per automatic. So he could in theory be from a state where his actions are legal (well, not the under-15-kids, taking pictures or paying them for sex...but the actuall act of sex with an 15 or 17-year-old then) but the goverment working on the case might be located in a state where it is not... any americans can probably fill in the blanks here.

Good riddance they caught him anyway. We don't need more farangs paying for sex with poor people here.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Hopefully, we can put this state by state confusion to rest once and for all. He is violating FEDERAL law and faces a 20 year FEDERAL sentence in a FEDERAL prison (no parole, btw in federal prisons). It matters not whether he is from Maine, Florida, Alaska, or California. There is ONE law in this case... and it's a federal case.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Um, sorry to burst your bubble, but once again the federal law only applies to interstate commerce.

If the guy was working at one of the hoity-toity high level schools here in Bangkok, he probably had a real work permit, visa extension, etc. Which means that in fact his (official) purpose for being here was work, not to have technically illegal liaisons or make porn. Which means that the U.S. "domain" over interstate commerce does not apply. That may be why recent news articles have moved more and more towards claiming that the Thais bagged this guy on their own rather than the tone of earlier articles which emphasized Western involvement.

Once again, the it is still the law of Thailand which pertains to actual residents in Thailand (though not necessarily certain kinds of tourists). I predict that if this guy does any time it will be in Thailand.

That said, the more I read about him, the more I suspect they will have SOMEthing to convict him on... he does seem to be dodgy.

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Not sure what you mean about interstate commerce... the newish federal law applies to all americans, be they tourists or WP-holding workers..

but irregardless,

if he's doing time in someone's prison.... his activities have stopped.

[The_Moog]

if he's doing time in someone's prison.... his activities have stopped.

Not necessarily....lots of big donkers in the penal system that require his unique set of oral skills.

Lots of half-naked sweaty young Thai men in their early 20s. All roguish naughty rebel-bad boy types.

Edited May 13, 2005 by The_Moog

[custard]

Yeah and its absolutely free !

[RDN]

.. the court turned down the suspect's request for bail, as they feared the man would flee or interfere with the victims...

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So they refused him bail, but allowed it for Somchai Visetsingha - the murdering cop in Kanchanaburi . TIT

[americana]

Bangkok Phil on the serial paedophile.... sickening

I think even O.J would have to agree with that. It describes Steve down to a tee, and Steve knows that's how he is........... And yet....there is so much to like about Steve. I always admire his intelligence, his choice of words and expression and believe it or not I always enjoyed the challenge of meeting him for lunch and listening to his outpourings of grief. But Steve was never ever boring.

Like O.J said, Steve has only himself to blame for getting into this predicament but the Thai media dancing around with his head on a pole doesn't quite tell the whole story. But I'm not going to take sides here. I just worry that Steve doesn't have the mental strength to come through all this. At the end of the day - he's still a friend - albeit fairly distant.

[george]

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