Thaksin, Supporters Vow To Fight Thai Verdict

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[shawndoc]

Who gave you that idea?? His father did not have the education to become an MP - if you read thaksins story you will exactly know what he did - but you are to blinded by your hatred of him to even try to find the truth! go to San kampheng and talk to old people who know his family a long time - they will tell you the truth.

So you are denying that his father was Lert Shinawatra who served as MP for Chiang Mai and owned several businesses around San Kamphaeng?

[connel707]

What possible significant new evidence could they have that they did not have before ? Maybe they will go for the evil twin brother defense;

"Your honour, we the defense would like to submit new evidence to the court, we have reason to believe that it was not our client who committed these act but it was his evil twin brother spongebob squarehead"

Why don't all of you Thaksin bashers educate yourself before you post here - it is really getting boring reading all those replies without the posters even bothering to find out what really happened.

Thaksins entire defense is publicly posted for evereyone to read on his website www.thaksinlive.com - if you read it you can then discuss the FACTS - and not rumors and the propaganda of his enemies.

You can also read his life story there and then you will understand why the poor Thais love him - because he and his family had to struggle to survive as millions of Thais do today.

Read the story of a little boy who got up every morning at 5 to help his parents sell coffee and clothes before going to school - and compare him to his enemies who have mostly been born stinking rich by stealing from the Thai people for hundreds of years.

If you read his story you will understand why he was making money available through village funds and you will understand his other populist policies - because he knows first hand that if you are poor in Thailand you get nothing!

Read it and then you can make up your mind and comment here. Read a certain Duncan McCargo document on the Thai elite on google and then comment here if you like.

Read and if you agree with me please pass on the information to others so we can all make an open minded informed decission.

This is the age of the internet you can get real infomation out there not the news the anti democratic propaganda machine has churned out for the last 50 years in this country!

Does`nt it make your heart bleed.... what then turned this cute little 5 yr old into a theiving, cheating, lying scoundrel..? Hitler was also a cute little boy..!

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[SomTumTiger]

Seems the reds are continuing to fight - the only way they know how. 2 grenade attacks at Bangkok Bank last night. Thank you red guys, for your complete and utter disregard for welfare of the country and its citizens. It makes it so easy to despise you this way.

[Cayenne]

The is the fundamental flaw with the Red Shirts movement- they have yet to propose a viable solution. What if they got their way and Thaksin becomes PM again? Did they forget that millions of people also don't like him (as shown by the 9.8 million non-votes during the 2006 general election).

With their propensity for violence they shouldn't be surprised that the 9.8 million of us are a bit skeptical they can bring any reconciliation either. If they want any respect from us at all, the first step is to respect the rule of law, starting with the court's verdict.

[whatsupdoc]

Thaksin's lawyers want to take the case to the World Court. Is there even such a court? I know the International Court of Justice in The Hague, but to my best knowledge that one is for crimes against humanity. Not really the case here.

[Cayenne]

Thaksin's lawyers want to take the case to the World Court. Is there even such a court? I know the International Court of Justice in The Hague, but to my best knowledge that one is for crimes against humanity. Not really the case here.

Relax, it is only more huff and puff to keep his followers entertained- and they need it nowerdays with these rallies becoming such a drag (not getting paid, or getting paid less) . Anyway I serious doubt the World Court would consider it as they would only look at serious human rights violations (careful Mr. T- what goes around comes around)

[whatsupdoc]

Sorry, there is another thread dealing with the World Court and clearly there is no other court Thaksin can turn to. Makes you wonder why he comes up with such a story. Bad lawyers/advisors or just misinformation and misleading the public?

[frodo]

The is the fundamental flaw with the Red Shirts movement- they have yet to propose a viable solution. What if they got their way and Thaksin becomes PM again? Did they forget that millions of people also don't like him (as shown by the 9.8 million non-votes during the 2006 general election).

With their propensity for violence they shouldn't be surprised that the 9.8 million of us are a bit skeptical they can bring any reconciliation either. If they want any respect from us at all, the first step is to respect the rule of law, starting with the court's verdict.

And that propensity for violence is alive and well:

"Even academics have no solution. Today we look at each other's faces, laugh and say that if we need to burn [public property] down, so be it. This is our small way in getting back at them..."

Not much of a solution at all

Red Shirts Unswayed

[Artisi]

Thaksin is a spent force and will say anything (world court as an example) which will get him space in the news media - and let's face it the Nation is all the poorer as a news outlet for continually reporting such utter nonsence.

The sooner all media just report facts and not stupid outlandish statements from Thaksin and his paid lackies the better it will be for all.

[cmsally]

It is I believe the first case decided on the basis of "policy corruption". (First vocalised by the PAD and brought to fruition by the Democrats?)

It seems there is no legal precedent for this in Thailand and maybe not even a lot worldwide.

Not an awful lot of time to read up on the details of this case and the verdict, but it would seem to set up a bit of a tricky situation for anyone in the political arena, with maybe the effect of more political puppets in the future with the money being out of sight behind the scenes. Although that to a certain extent exists it can't bode well for the future.

Maybe even accrue more layers to the Thai political onion. On the other hand maybe just consolidate the onion, depends which way you look at it.

There are some good articles and opinions on the Thai judiciary etc out on the internet.

[anotherpeter]

Why don't all of you Thaksin bashers educate yourself before you post here - it is really getting boring reading all those replies without the posters even bothering to find out what really happened.

Thaksins entire defense is publicly posted for evereyone to read on his website - if you read it you can then discuss the FACTS - and not rumors and the propaganda of his enemies.

You can also read his life story there and then you will understand why the poor Thais love him - because he and his family had to struggle to survive as millions of Thais do today.

Read the story of a little boy who got up every morning at 5 to help his parents sell coffee and clothes before going to school - and compare him to his enemies who have mostly been born stinking rich by stealing from the Thai people for hundreds of years.

If you read his story you will understand why he was making money available through village funds and you will understand his other populist policies - because he knows first hand that if you are poor in Thailand you get nothing!

Read it and then you can make up your mind and comment here. Read a certain Duncan McCargo document on the Thai elite on google and then comment here if you like.

Read and if you agree with me please pass on the information to others so we can all make an open minded informed decission.

This is the age of the internet you can get real infomation out there not the news the anti democratic propaganda machine has churned out for the last 50 years in this country!

The Thaksin defense all seems to be on technical arguments and victimisation by the coup leaders and current government. But there is very little defence on the charge that he used his power as Prime Minister for his own financial gain.

He apparently transferred most of his shares in Shin Corp to his wife, children and other family members. But there is still a huge conflict of interest given the changes to laws and contracts that benefitted Shin Corp while he was Prime Minister. And there seemed to be sufficient evidence that he still had control of all those shares even if he didn't technically own them.

No one is arguing that he wasn't a good business man or didn't work hard get to where did. But it is a bit of a stretch to be crying poor when he is still travelling around the world the way that he is. And it doesn't excuse him making billions of baht by changing laws and contracts benefitting Shin Corp while being Prime Minister.

[Cayenne]

The is the fundamental flaw with the Red Shirts movement- they have yet to propose a viable solution. What if they got their way and Thaksin becomes PM again? Did they forget that millions of people also don't like him (as shown by the 9.8 million non-votes during the 2006 general election).

With their propensity for violence they shouldn't be surprised that the 9.8 million of us are a bit skeptical they can bring any reconciliation either. If they want any respect from us at all, the first step is to respect the rule of law, starting with the court's verdict.

And that propensity for violence is alive and well:

"Even academics have no solution. Today we look at each other's faces, laugh and say that if we need to burn [public property] down, so be it. This is our small way in getting back at them..."

Not much of a solution at all

Red Shirts Unswayed

Scary to read the thinking of these red shirts. Their words echo a book I read long ago. That book was George Orwell's "Animal Farm". Wanna make a guess who is Napoleon?

[Artisi]

Does he currently hide-out in Dubai?

[ballpoint]

Does he currently hide-out in Dubai?

If he is, I'd say the Thai government would have a good case to take a leaf out of Thaksin's book and take the UAE to the International Court of Justice for harbouring an instigator of terrorism and treason. Hopefully Abhisit goes ahead with his investigation into the drugs "war", and Thaksin is held up on crimes against humanity charges too. There is probably also enough evidence to get him on the bird flu cover up. The government of the time's failure to give a warning, despite later admitting it knew about the outbreak, caused the unnecessary death of at least one child, and one is enough in my opinion, and could have had far worse consequences for the entire region by failing to contain it in a timely manner. Let's see the guy fighting for justice in the dock at The Hague.

Edited February 28, 2010 by ballpoint

[Moonrakers]

 

at least he knows where he comes from and I admire somebody who becomes a business tycoon and PM of his country from such humble beginnings - all i sence from you is envy and jelousy.

Oh dear.

Thaksin was born in San Kamphaeng, Chiang Mai. He lived in the village of Sankamphaeng until he was 15, then moved to Chiang Mai city to study at Montfort College. At 16, he helped run one of his father's cinemas.[25]

Thaksin's great-great-grandfather Seng Sae Khu was a Hakka Chinese immigrant from Meizhou, Guangdong who arrived in Siam in the 1860s and settled in Chiang Mai in 1908. His eldest son, Chiang Sae Khu, was born in 1890 and married a Thai woman, Saeng Somna. Chiang's eldest son, Sak, adopted the Thai surname Shinawatra ("does good routinely") in 1938, and the rest of the family followed suit.

Thaksin's father, Lert, was born in Chiang Mai in 1919 and married Yindi Ramingwong. In 1968, Lert Shinawatra entered politics and became an MP for Chiang Mai.

Seng Sae Khu made his fortune through tax farming. The Khu/Shinawatra family later founded Shinawatra Silks and then moved into finance, construction and property development. Lert Shinawatra opened a coffee shop and several businesses, and grew oranges and flowers in Chiang Mai's San Kamphaeng district. By the time Thaksin was born, the extended Shinawatra family was one of the richest and most influential in Chiang Mai.

Thaksin married Potjaman Damapong in 1980. They have one son, Panthongtae and two daughters, Pintongtha and Peathongtarn. They divorced in 2008.[26]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thaksin_Shinawatra

If you want to check more for yourself, visit this little site: www.google.com

You are being lied to and you are falling for it, wake up and smell the coffee.

"Humble beginnings"

[ianf]

Interesting to note that local Thak Sin supporters are claiming that he was not allowed to put up a defence to the charges against him. Another interesting twist, eh?

[hammered]

It is I believe the first case decided on the basis of "policy corruption". (First vocalised by the PAD and brought to fruition by the Democrats?)

It seems there is no legal precedent for this in Thailand and maybe not even a lot worldwide.

Not an awful lot of time to read up on the details of this case and the verdict, but it would seem to set up a bit of a tricky situation for anyone in the political arena, with maybe the effect of more political puppets in the future with the money being out of sight behind the scenes. Although that to a certain extent exists it can't bode well for the future.

Maybe even accrue more layers to the Thai political onion. On the other hand maybe just consolidate the onion, depends which way you look at it.

There are some good articles and opinions on the Thai judiciary etc out on the internet.

Thai law is based on (Roman) code. There is no precedent. Each case is decided individually on its own merite regardless of previous decisions. This is very deifferent form English Common Law based legal systems where precedent is powerful.

[Samuian]

The fight continues for democracy and I do think the reds will continue regardless of Khun T. Far from being a 1st world country still stuck in the mire of a 3rd world country for sometime I'm afraid.

The people concerned, promoting and selling their actions as "fight for democracy"

are nothing else then mercenaries of their chosen "lord" and will say whatever they ought to say!

There is simply nothing to fight for!

Democracy is rather well, regarding the circumstances here, established!

It is like their "Master Voice": Today he will say this, tomorrow that"

Yes/no/yes/no/yes/no

Like his former speaker one day he said that, next this...because he was so honest, he had to flee the country...

[hammered]

It is time for those controlling events on all sides to come together and agree a new set of rules so the country can move on and address bigger problems

[jayboy]

It is time for those controlling events on all sides to come together and agree a new set of rules so the country can move on and address bigger problems

As long as the country has one note partisans with the the blinkers on (typified by the post immediately before yours) that will be quite difficult.Needless to say such crass lack of empathy exists on both sides of the political divide.

[cmsally]

The Thai legal system became an amalgam of German, Swiss, French, English, Japanese, Italian, and Indian laws and practices. Even today, Islamic laws and practices exist in four southern provinces. Over the years, Thai law has naturally taken on its own Thai identity].

The above from Wiki, which in fact seems to have quoted from Tillecke & Gibbons which is quite a good summary.

Thailand Legal Basics

Edited February 28, 2010 by cmsally

[cmsally]

Thailand is very much a loss / gain society in many respects. Your loss is my gain and vice versa.

When the elite has everything under wraps this is to a certain extent nullified but over the past few years this factor has very much been at the top levels rather than below.

There is a very good article on this about the incredible , extreme art of consensus (bending over backwards to reach an agreement) in Thai politics which has so often been a part of Thai political life and how it has suddenly fractured into confrontation. I think it was by Ferrara, can't find the link.

[hammered]

It is time for those controlling events on all sides to come together and agree a new set of rules so the country can move on and address bigger problems

As long as the country has one note partisans with the the blinkers on (typified by the post immediately before yours) that will be quite difficult.Needless to say such crass lack of empathy exists on both sides of the political divide.

It really is time for the adults to actually grow up imho.

[hhgz]

"His supporters, dubbed the 'Red Shirts' for their colourful garb..."

An extraordinarily insightful analysis. They're called "Red Shirts" because they wear red shirts.

I guess that this great metropolitan newspaper is now writing local new articles for those that are (color) blind, and for people who have no knowledge of Thailand.

[Publicus]

Some bombs here and there, focused on Bangkok Bank, is not good but overall is a rather muted reaction, at least to date.

There's still a lot of talk about having to burn the place down in order to save it, but fortunately it's still the same old talk.

Presently we have a new promise of street action beginning March 12th but we've heard that kind of talk before and will continue to hear it.

Thaksin seems eligible to get a bunch of his loot back.....I wonder if he can get any of it transferred to him or would have to appear in the country to claim it? Thaksin remains a fugitive from Thai justice.

What about all the loot deposited earlier this month into the bank accounts of so many of the Red leaders? Consulting fees?

I'm not complaining, it's just been awfully quiet lately. Seems the Reds are deads.

[gemini81]

at least he knows where he comes from and I admire somebody who becomes a business tycoon and PM of his country from such humble beginnings - all i sence from you is envy and jelousy.

Oh dear.

Thaksin was born in San Kamphaeng, Chiang Mai. He lived in the village of Sankamphaeng until he was 15, then moved to Chiang Mai city to study at Montfort College. At 16, he helped run one of his father's cinemas.[25]

Thaksin's great-great-grandfather Seng Sae Khu was a Hakka Chinese immigrant from Meizhou, Guangdong who arrived in Siam in the 1860s and settled in Chiang Mai in 1908. His eldest son, Chiang Sae Khu, was born in 1890 and married a Thai woman, Saeng Somna. Chiang's eldest son, Sak, adopted the Thai surname Shinawatra ("does good routinely") in 1938, and the rest of the family followed suit.

Thaksin's father, Lert, was born in Chiang Mai in 1919 and married Yindi Ramingwong. In 1968, Lert Shinawatra entered politics and became an MP for Chiang Mai.

Seng Sae Khu made his fortune through tax farming. The Khu/Shinawatra family later founded Shinawatra Silks and then moved into finance, construction and property development. Lert Shinawatra opened a coffee shop and several businesses, and grew oranges and flowers in Chiang Mai's San Kamphaeng district. By the time Thaksin was born, the extended Shinawatra family was one of the richest and most influential in Chiang Mai.

Thaksin married Potjaman Damapong in 1980. They have one son, Panthongtae and two daughters, Pintongtha and Peathongtarn. They divorced in 2008.[26]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thaksin_Shinawatra

If you want to check more for yourself, visit this little site: www.google.com

You are being lied to and you are falling for it, wake up and smell the coffee.

"Humble beginnings"

true. he did have humbler beginnings. however, lying about satellites and saying they don't need replaced, and then replacing them was downright greedy. that was abut the time greed settled in. he was a good businessman (dishonest too) but less of a great leader. not fair in competition with dtac and true.

as far as someone asking if he gets the remainder of money back, first it is held by the tax dept as I understand. they will assest interest and any possible penalty fees on the remaining amount (which according to the news was unreported) so as much as 12 more billion could possibly be seized. time will tell.

[Moonrakers]

true. he did have humbler beginnings.

I think you missed my point, his beginnings were far from humble.