How To Punish An Abuser

[Thomas_Merton]

There are always members who suggest various punishments for those accused, by the Thai authorities, of sexual abuse and reported on TV.

Perhaps it would save some time if we could find out which is the most popular form of punishment.

We could even call the winner the “Ex-Pat’s Penalty”.

Automatically awarding the EPP to every alleged offender might save a lot time and bandwidth.

Edited May 19, 2005 by Thomas_Merton

[kat]

To be honest, not all abusers are made the same. Some are acting out prior abuse from their own childhoods, some are situational or opportunistic abusers, and some have a conditioned preference for a certain age group. Obviously the response and will vary accordingly.

If we are going to make blanket, violent statements about meting out punishment to abusers, then we can easily open up the gamut to all kinds of other abuse which are also very harmful.

[chownah]

There are always members who suggest various punishments for those accused, by the Thai authorities, of sexual abuse  and reported on TV.

Perhaps it would save some time if we could find out which is the most popular form of punishment.

We could even call the winner the “Ex-Pat’s Penalty”.

Automatically awarding the EPP to every alleged offender might save a lot time and bandwidth.

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Good work TM. but you forgot the all of the above punishment.

[Pudgimelon]

There are always members who suggest various punishments for those accused, by the Thai authorities, of sexual abuse  and reported on TV.

Perhaps it would save some time if we could find out which is the most popular form of punishment.

We could even call the winner the “Ex-Pat’s Penalty”.

Automatically awarding the EPP to every alleged offender might save a lot time and bandwidth.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Wonderful. It's amazing how people find abuse by an individual to be so appalling, but in the next breath, they completely condone and sanction abuse by the state.

A state isn't even a real thing. It's just an abstract figment that everyone buys into (like fiat money). It has no morals, no conscience, and in most cases, no accountability. And yet you think it's perfectly safe and dandy to give this abstract thing the power to do bodily harm to REAL people.

Should bad people get punished? Yes. But far worse than bad people are bad IDEAS, because bad ideas give the people who buy into them the excuses and justifications they need to commit all sorts of unspeakable and heinous crimes (quite often under the cloak of "the Law").

One should always be very cautious about giving a state more power, because while a "state" is a creation of the human mind it is most definitely NOT human. Giving a state too much power takes the "humanity" out of decision-making and creates twin gods of "legality" and "policy", whose edicts cannot be questioned.

Fixing a human problem by creating an inhuman monster isn't exactly a solution.

Edited May 19, 2005 by Pudgimelon

[Thomas_Merton]

There are always members who suggest various punishments for those accused, by the Thai authorities, of sexual abuse  and reported on TV.

Perhaps it would save some time if we could find out which is the most popular form of punishment.

We could even call the winner the “Ex-Pat’s Penalty”.

Automatically awarding the EPP to every alleged offender might save a lot time and bandwidth.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Good work TM. but you forgot the all of the above punishment.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I am afraid you will have to make a studied judgement - weighing all the pros and cons, as is your want.

But go on, make a choice. You know it makes sense.

[Popeyethesailorman]

As a merchant marine, when I am out on the high seas, I am guilty of self sexual abuse on a daily basis. I feel the punishment should fit the crime.

[Thomas_Merton]

As a merchant marine, when I am out on the high seas, I am guilty of self sexual abuse on a daily basis. I feel the punishment should fit the crime.   

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As Woody Allan once said, "Don't knock masturbation. It's actually making love to someone you know you love (and who loves, you, too)."

[peder.klockmann]

Maybe they should referance Dantes Inferno...

...or one of the local Temple Scare you strait statue places like the one near Sriracha

They are both identical...

[Abandon]

This attempt at 'humour' belongs in the schoolyard.

[devildog683]

i dont see why people are getting upset, pretty much all the options are layed out, except let them go free (but maybe thats what they want)

[Thomas_Merton]

This attempt at 'humour' belongs in the schoolyard.

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Respect. But are we shamed?

[mnoorsapl]

Maybe they should referance Dantes Inferno...

...or one of the local Temple Scare you strait statue places like the one near Sriracha

They are both identical...

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Yeah, whatever it is called, it is the same thing.

[peder.klockmann]

Yeah, whatever it is called, it is the same thing.

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I wonder who else has seen this same connection.

I think it might be fun to investigate "Who has copied whom?" and, if no one has copied anyone... "How in the blazes did they come to the same conclusions about the punishments for certain sins?".

Maybe both sources came up with the same ideas because, that is the way things truly are? Hmm. I'm willing to try and find out.

[Gary A]

First you must define sexual abuse. Some may say that failure to satisfy your girlfriend is sexual abuse.

If you are talking about rape, I would take a kinder gentler approach. I would give them the choice of life in prison or castration and a short meeting with some of the girl's friends in an alley.

[jackr]

Nice thread, TM, but as usual you get the ones who take it far too seriously and go off on that do-gooder tangent.

Hung, drawn and quartered without parole is the way to go

[bambob]

the answer is simple , just do a check on teachers backgrounds to see if they are sex offenders back home .

seeing as many caught are registered offenders and they went to LOS especially to escape their past and abuse minors as teachers you would have thought Thais would have cottoned on to the easy solution . But simple logic is as we know rare in LOS

[The_Moog]

I do have a soft spot for the red hot poker option.

I once visited the very same room in the Castle just outside Bristol where Edward II had his pokering.

[BrissyBoy]

Personally i think that in by punishing the perputrator with voilence a more sane approach has to be found.

In using voilence ourselves or getting someone else to dish it out aren't we just becoming as brutal as the original assailant?

Currently the standard approach is to try them in a court af law and then send them to jail for whatever period. This is used both to say to others who may think of doing this that they will get the same punishment. Does this really acheive anything? NO.

In jail the victim becomes a drain on society with imprisonment costs and no actual reform is really taken inside the criminals mind.

I voted for castration. This would lower the criminals testosterone levels and then lead to be calmer and have a greatly reduced chance of reoffending. Unlike it is now when they get released back into community.

[maerim]

I think that the original poster who has set out some novel ways to deal with these people in the post says more about himself than a sensible way to deal with offenders.

Any chance of dragging yourself into a century nearer this one?

[The_Eye_Of_Sauron]

I think that the original poster who has set out some novel ways to deal with these people in the post says more about himself than a sensible way to deal with offenders.

Any chance of dragging yourself into a century nearer this one?

I agree with Maerim, such mediaeval sentiments are very unsophisticated and perhaps mask something quite sinister.

(But then poster is neither located in Thailand nor has any Visa issues so his presence here - (eg nitpicking Gentleman Scamp's Thai blogs), has always been a mystery)

[The Gentleman Scamp]

Jail, where hopefully the offender will get some sexual abuse of his own.

I once saw a cartoon where a cat hit a mouse over the head with a shovel, but also got the full pain of the strike on his own head.

I am with this style of justice...

What goes around should come around with certainty, speed and multiplicity.

[The_Moog]

What about the option - "locked in a small room of Mothers who are armed with rusty sharp implements."

Thats a doozy. I like the visualization of these feral Mums, let loose on someone spouting on how one has to tolerate and understand his unnatural desires

[Thomas_Merton]

I think that the original poster who has set out some novel ways to deal with these people in the post says more about himself than a sensible way to deal with offenders.

Any chance of dragging yourself into a century nearer this one?

I agree with Maerim, such mediaeval sentiments are very unsophisticated and perhaps mask something quite sinister.

(But then poster is neither located in Thailand nor has any Visa issues so his presence here - (eg nitpicking Gentleman Scamp's Thai blogs), has always been a mystery)

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Since when were you appointed the sole arbiter and definer of exclusivity on Thaivisa?

You going to have a go at rewriting forum rules next?

But, I forgive you, we wouldn't want any flame wars here.

I'll just put your display of petulance down to the over enthusiasm of a Newbie.

EDIT: A mask can disguise many things.

Edited May 21, 2005 by Thomas_Merton

[A. BOOZER]

I do have a soft spot for the red hot poker option.

I once visited the very same room in the Castle just outside Bristol where Edward II had his pokering.

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Suppose it made a change from a rogering!