Marriage In Utah/live In Thailand

[kamakashi]

"The Marriage Visa" A little more paperwork than the Investment Visa but eliminates the 3 million baht requirement which is quite good since the government bank only give 0.5% interest. For the marriage visa you would need to be legally married to Thai citizen.

NOTE: The new required amount this year is 400,000 baht, double the amount from last year. You may take note of this and consider that this is a very unstable system that the government has for visas and things change every year it seems.

You would need to have a copy of your passport, a letter from the bank and a copy of your bank book to match the letter. Note: The letter must state that it is a joint account in the names of you and your wife and the current balance of the account not less then 400,000 baht. You will also need a copy of your marriage papers, yours wife's ID card and House Registration book which she will already have. Please also note that the custom here is to be married in the village where the girls family lives with a ceremony conducted by the local monks. To make it legal you MUST get the proper papers from your Embassy and have them translated in Thai and registered with the Thai government and local Umper Office. Your wife and the Embassy can help you with this. Getting this set up the first time may seem a little difficult but with patience it really is quite easy and Thailand is making the paperwork less confusing for them and us. Once your set on the first visa for 1 year, the following renewals are a breeze. Just take the bank letter, bank book, copy of marriage certificate, wife's ID card and house book and that's it. They will stamp you for 30 days until the main department at the Immigration Office approves it for the next year. This is done every year at any Immigration Office near where you will be living.

Okay I need to be legally married to the Thai citizen. So how do I get married to her so I can apply for marriage visa? Do we just sign the papers saying that we are married? I can get the papers from my embassy and translate them into Thai. Then I will send the papers to Thailand. I still want to find out if there is any way we can get my fiance to get married in America but on what visa?? or can we just sign marriage papers?? She won't stay in America... I want to live in Thailand with her. I am going to see her in Rome next week. Can I just bring the marriage papers with me and we both sign and give the papers to the Roman Embassy? That way we will be legally married and I can work on marriage visa to Thailand. Also my other option would be to fly to Thailand and get married to her there... then we will work on traveling to America and see my family for 3 months.

[Lite Beer]

Most of the Information in the above post is wrong.

For the extension for investment you need 10 Million Baht invested. It was 3 M a few years ago but is now 10M.

The requirements for the Marriage Extension is 40,000 Baht monthly income or 400,000 Baht in the bank. It has been this for a few years.

The money has to be in the Husbands bank account. NOT a joint account.

[TerryLH]

Don't know why I'm doing this...

Wherever you got that last bit of info from, don't go there again. It's outdated, and lots of info is wrong.

You could have found correct info in the pinned topics at the beginning of this forum.

"NOTE: The new required amount this year is 400,000 baht, double the amount from last year."

The amount is correct, and has been for many years.

"Note: The letter must state that it is a joint account in the names of you and your wife..."

This is no longer correct. Since a change in 2008 (I believe), the account must be in the foreigners name ONLY.

"...the custom here is to be married in the village where the girls family lives with a ceremony conducted by the local monks. To make it legal you MUST get the proper papers from your Embassy and have them translated in Thai and registered with the Thai government and local Umper Office."

I have the feeling that you don't understand that. The only thing you need from your embassy is a letter saying you're free to marry. You'll have to talk to your embassy about what they need to give you that letter.

You are legally wedded when you sign marriage papers at the amphur. The village ceremony is, as you correctly stated, just a custom. Many of them are presided over by people other than monks.

"I can get the papers from my embassy and translate them into Thai. Then I will send the papers to Thailand."

What embassy do you think you're going to do that at? You get the letter mentioned above from your embassy in Bangkok. You don't send them to Thailand, you're here doing it in person. Than you go to the marriage registration office, sign the papers and you are legally married. You do that in person. No mail-ins.

"Can I just bring the marriage papers with me and we both sign and give the papers to the Roman Embassy?"

If you want to get married in Italy, check what their requirements are. Your embassy can probably help you, just as hers can help her.

You do understand, don't you, that there are no US Embassies or Consulates in the USA. There are no Italian Embassies or Consulates in Rome and there are no Thai Embassies or Consulates in Thailand?

Once married, getting a visa for here is easy. A Thai visa can be obtained from a Thai Embassy or Consulate outside of Thailand. Once you get to that point, specific details can be asked about. It's too early for that now.

As a matter of curiosity, do you already have a ticket for the 24th?

Good luck.

[bkkflyer]

Can I ask if you have met your girlfriend in person yet?

[kamakashi]

Okay I fly to Rome on march 24th. I will propose to her in Rome. I do not have 400,000 baht in the bank but I do make 40,000 baht a month in America. Also my parents said they would use there income to help me out but nobody in my family has 400,000 baht to let me borrow. Now those are the requirments for me to get myself into Thailand. Will it be easier to get her into America. Will she need 400,000 baht and make 40,000 baht amonth? I think the rules are a lot more different. Since she will be my fiance once I propose to her in Rome. She will graduate in May or June and fly back to Thailand. She will then need to apply for a visa to America. She is graduating in bachelors Tourism and Marketing. She got a scholorship for free college in Rome and free air flights. She was very smart and top in her class. I think the Thai embassy would give her a visa no problem. She has a clean record and has done tourism jobs in Rome. I will be staying in Rome from March 24th to April 7th. Thanks everyone.

[kamakashi]

okay so it is legal to just marry her and then work on visa. Once we are married how can I stay with her? I don't have the money saved in my bank to qualify for the visa. Do they give us a year to come up with the money to get the 1 year visa to Thailand? LOL I'm learning a lot about visa and what is legal and not legal. I just don't want to marry her and then have to leave her until I can afford to fly to thailand. That would not be fair for her to have to wait for me. But she said she would and we already act as if we are married. If she could come to the USA and get married.. but we can't file for visa because I don't have the 400,000 baht in the bank so it would be illegal. The only way I can marry her is if I have money saved up in the the bank so I can file for the visa................... We just want to get married and start living with each other. I hate how money is keeping us from getting married or living together. I wish she could just get her visa and fly to America. We get married and file for a permanent visa for america. I will support her with my job and my mom has a job lined up for her. We will then save up money and work on my visa to live in Thailand. When I got to Rome we will get all this planned out and see what we can do. Thank all!

[Mario2008]

The visa doesn't require you to have the 400,000. Only when you go for an extension of stay from immigration do you need to show the income OR the 400,000 in the bank. The income of 40,000 baht can come from abroad.

You can get a multiple non-O based onmarriage to a Thai. The visa is valid for 1 year from date it is issued. During that 1 year you can travel to Thailand as many times as you like, each time you can stay for a maximum of 90 days. After 90 days you mst leave the country and can return the same day. By leaving and re-entering just before the visa expires you get a fresh 90 day permission to stay. In this way you will have almost 15 months on the visa, since you need to season the money for 2 months you will have about 13 months to save 400,000.

[jamescollister]

okay so it is legal to just marry her and then work on visa. Once we are married how can I stay with her? I don't have the money saved in my bank to qualify for the visa. Do they give us a year to come up with the money to get the 1 year visa to Thailand? LOL I'm learning a lot about visa and what is legal and not legal. I just don't want to marry her and then have to leave her until I can afford to fly to thailand. That would not be fair for her to have to wait for me. But she said she would and we already act as if we are married. If she could come to the USA and get married.. but we can't file for visa because I don't have the 400,000 baht in the bank so it would be illegal. The only way I can marry her is if I have money saved up in the the bank so I can file for the visa................... We just want to get married and start living with each other. I hate how money is keeping us from getting married or living together. I wish she could just get her visa and fly to America. We get married and file for a permanent visa for america. I will support her with my job and my mom has a job lined up for her. We will then save up money and work on my visa to live in Thailand. When I got to Rome we will get all this planned out and see what we can do. Thank all!

Hi Kama

interesting posts, unforfunatly in this world good intensions count for little. He who pays the piper calls the tune and by the sound of it you can't even afford to pay the admission fee to the concert, never mind call the tune. Time to step back from it all and re-assess the situation. Bring any girl/wife to a western country [ even from another western country] is costly and complex. Bet of luck with it. Jim

[kamakashi]

The K-1 visa is a 90 day single-entry visa admitting the fiancée of an American citizen into the country for the purpose of marriage (get married in the USA). The K-3 visa is a 2 year multiple-entry visa intended for the foreign spouse of an American citizen (we file for k-3 visa for me to stay in Thailand). Once in the Thailand, the K-3 visa holder must apply for adjustment of status which leads to permanent resident status......

The visa doesn't require you to have the 400,000. Only when you go for an extension of stay from immigration do you need to show the income OR the 400,000 in the bank. The income of 40,000 baht can come from abroad.

Mario 2008 QUOTE: [You can get a multiple non-O based onmarriage to a Thai. The visa is valid for 1 year from date it is issued. During that 1 year you can travel to Thailand as many times as you like, each time you can stay for a maximum of 90 days. After 90 days you mst leave the country and can return the same day. By leaving and re-entering just before the visa expires you get a fresh 90 day permission to stay. In this way you will have almost 15 months on the visa, since you need to season the money for 2 months you will have about 13 months to save 400,000.]

Interesting... but to get the 90 days I would have to fly out of the country and back in. So I would fly to... lets say Singapore and then fly back into Thailand. Keep doing this every 3 months for 15 months until we save 400,000 baht. I might have an income from America while I do this in Thailand. Also can I go off my parents income or my Thai girlfriends income? I can help her get her Tourism business going and be her graphic and web designer. She could send money to my bank account in America. My family is also helping me save up 400,000 baht. I will get the money a lot sooner and do multiple jobs on the internet. I could also start teaching English in Thailand and they will give me a visa.

Now the big question is that I am a Mormon. We want to get married and go to the Mormon Temple in America. If I marry her in Thailand then we can't go through the temple together for 1 year. We are willing to wait but we would love to go to the temple sooner. I can see that it would cost us a lot more money and cause a huge headache. I think she would have to apply for k-1 visa and then come to America. We get married and then I file for k-3 visa to live in Thailand. If I go to Thailand and marry her there we can wait 1 year and go to the temple together on a tourist visa in America.

[TerryLH]

"...we file for k-3 visa for me to stay in Thailand)."

I'm wondering if this guy is a troll, or just stupid. I wouldn't bet against either at this point.

He doesn't need a wife, he needs a nanny.

[kamakashi]

Thanks for the rude comment TerryLH. Since we will be married in America I would have to get a visa to live in Thailand. Please don't post rude comments in this forum. I'm just trying to find a way to marry Pennapha in Utah and then work on Living in Thailand. I make 40,000 baht a month and I can support her in America.

[TerryLH]

"Thanks for the rude comment TerryLH."

You're welcome.

Some others have given you some good advice, but your posts make it seem like you haven't read any of them.

Take a look at this quote,

"...we file for k-3 visa for me to stay in Thailand)."

That is wrong, and you've been told that. A K3 visa is for her for the US. No such visa for Thailand.

I suggested, twice, that you read the visa info in the pinned topics at the top of the page. Have you done that? If you had, maybe you'd stop writing such bad info.

Getting a visa to stay in Thailand is not rocket science. Much easier than it will be to get your gf/wife a visa for the US.

"I'm just trying to find a way to marry Pennapha in Utah and then work on Living in Thailand. I make 40,000 baht a month and I can support her in America."

Maybe I'm the slow one here. Let me see if I understand this quote. You want to get married in Utah, then move to Thailand. You make minimum wage and feel you can support your family in the US. But, you want to move to Thailand, where you won't have your minimum wage job.

How will you support your family there? Oh, yeah. You'll make money on the internet. If it's that easy, I wonder why you haven't already started...

I see you're flying to Rome in a couple of days. Or has that changed, too?

My rude comment was made because of your continued posting of bad and conflicting information.

Why are you doing that?

I would guess

A. You're a troll posting a made up story for the fun of it.

B. You really don't understand anything anyone has posted trying to be of help.

C. You lack basic comprehension skills in English.

D. You are ignoring information that conflicts with what you think it should be.

Whichever or whatever it is, I wish you good luck. Keep us posted on how it goes in Rome.

[kamakashi]

sorry, when I said LOL foreget all of the other posts. I was talking about my posts not yours.Please forgive me for the confusion. I love everyones posts!!!! thank you thank you thank you!!!

LOL forget all of the other posts!!! I fly to Rome on March 24th. I will propose to her in Rome. We may sign the Marriage papers and get married when I am there. If not.... then we will get married in America which is legal since she is not staying in America. Then I fly back to America on April 7th. Right now she is applying for a Tourism Visa to America. She will get her tourist visa in 3-4 months (may have to rush the tourist visa) . She graduates college in Rome in may or June. Then She will fly back to Thailand to be with her family. In July she will fly to America so she can see me and my family and friends. She should have the tourist visa by then. She will stay for about 2-3 months. I will not start a business in Thailand!!! My businesses will be on the internet. I will not need to work in Thailand. I will have jobs from America supporting me in Thailand. My businesses will be online. People in Thailand can sample my products and order them on my website. Soooo my store will be on the internet and not built in Thailand. Don't worry I wont do anything Illegal. I will not need a work permit since I will not be working for any Thailand companies. That is why I love the internet. I will work on the visa and get myself ready to live in Thailand..... Does that make sense now???? Thank you all for wishing me luck! I will have 400,000 baht by August or November. I will be making 40,000-50,000 baht before I go to Thailand. I will probably apply for the visa in Kuala Lumpur and only need 100,000 baht in the bank. -Thanks!!! Also the embassy doesn't need to know we are getting married. She can tell them but they can't stop her because she will return to Thailand and wait for me. She is not staying in America. I will live in Thailand because that is my dream. I will make my dreams come true! I will be getting an income from America to support her.....

Now if this plan fails then I will save up 100,000 baht or 400,000 baht or make 40,000-50,000 baht to get the visa to live in Thailand and marry her there. I will then extend the visa for 1 year. We will then work on the tourist visa and fly to America and see my family.

[Vodyanoi]

Dear OP (original poster),

Here's some thoughts:

1) there's plenty of mormons in Thailand, I wouldn't be surprised if there's a temple somewhere...

2) any work in Thailand is illegal without a permit, even working through the internet. All work, even volunteer work, that you do while your body resides in Thailand requires a permit. Beyonce comes to Bangkok to do two hours of singing and get out again ---> needs a permit!

3) I understand your impatience, you want to be with the one you love, but PLEASE take a step back, take a deep breath and read all the info in the previous posts. Hardcore, experienced PV-members are trying to help you out here, please be gallant enough to at least LISTEN to what they have to say...

4) as a personal aside, I advise you to live with your girfriend/fiancee for an extended period of time (in the same house) before getting married. Do a TEFL program in the US and teach English, I don't care, but make sure you KNOW the person you are getting married to; not just in romantic Rome, but also in ff-ing hot Kanchanaburi or Samut Prakan or wherever your girlfriend is from. Falling in love with a thai woman is easy, actually living with them can be quite a culture shock...

5) learn to speak thai... you'll regret it if you don't

6) don't listen to me, all I know is that I know nothing...

Vodyanoi

[kamakashi]

lol I have been reading everyones posts. Just some have posted wrong comments and the internet gave me wrong info. I was confused for awhile. It is starting to make more sense to me now. Thailand does not have a Mormon temple. There are not many Mormons living in Thailand. Also I am being very patient about this whole thing. My class in school has asked us to make our business online. I am designing it right now and soon will be selling products on the internet. I'm also getting an income from my uncle and will start working for him soon. He is going to pay me 10 dollars an hour and I will work for his company while I live in Thailand. If it doesnt work out with my uncle then my company should be doing good by then. I am also working with another company selling electronics on the internet. I have been working hard to get an income so I can support my future wife in Thailand. I am learning to speak Thai and I love it!!! Yes I know that my girlfriend is the one. She is my true love and we will get married one day. I will see her in Rome and we will continue to make marriage plans. We are going to contact the embassy and get more information. Thank you all ^___^

[kamakashi]

4) as a personal aside, I advise you to live with your girfriend/fiancee for an extended period of time (in the same house) before getting married. Do a TEFL program in the US and teach English, I don't care, but make sure you KNOW the person you are getting married to; not just in romantic Rome, but also in ff-ing hot Kanchanaburi or Samut Prakan or wherever your girlfriend is from. Falling in love with a thai woman is easy, actually living with them can be quite a culture shock...

I'm sorry Vodyanoi...... but I just can't do that. Living with a person your not married to is against my beliefs. Yes I KNOW the person... we have been video chatting for 3 months now. We both agree that we are right for each other. My dream has always been to live in Asia and I have been preparing myself for it. This Thai girl is different than the other Thai girls. She isn't marrying me for the money or because I'm American. She knows that I am her true love and that we have found each other.

[Boothy]

OP, people like you worry me. How are you learning to speak Thai? Over the internet? How do you say 'Will you marry me?' In Thai?

Can you read Thai yet, have you looked at their writing system?

Take some good Thai advice ช้าช้าเจ๋งเย็นเย็นคิดก่อนทำ โชคดี คุณจะต้องการ

[Boothy]

OP, people like you worry me. How are you learning to speak Thai? Over the internet? How do you say 'Will you marry me?' In Thai?

Can you read Thai yet, have you looked at their writing system?

Take some good Thai advice ช้าช้าเจ๋งเย็นเย็นคิดก่อนทำ โชคดี คุณจะต้องการ

Clearly a Troll has been exposed... muppet!

[kamakashi]

uhhh yeah Boothy whatever..... yes I am learning Thai... she is teaching me thai while we video chat. I will be taking Thai language class in Thailand as well. I will do anything for her. Right now I'm in Rome and IM LOVING IT! We are having a fun time and can't wait to be together forever. Talk to you all later.

[kamakashi]

Also Boothy she speaks English very well, also Italian and Thai... soooooooo :-D Phom rak khun mak mak mak MAK Pennanpha Krahb!!!!!

[Jimi007]

Have you ever been to Thailand? What part of the country are you thinking about living in? Have you read the pinned posts on visas yet? Just curious!

[kamakashi]

making plans to live in Chiang Mai, Thailand. Yes I have read the pinned posts and we are making plans. Most likely I will marry her in Thailand and bring her into America. My mom has a job for her and I am starting my importing business and will keep working full time at walmart. Walmart is going to give me a promotion soon and they love me. Thank you for everyones post on www.thaivisa.com forum. We are having a great time in Rome and we are making marriage plans :-D

[TerryLH]

"making plans to live in Chiang Mai..."

vs

"My mom has a job for her and I am starting my importing business and will keep working full time at walmart."

-----

"We are having a great time in Rome and we are making marriage plans :-D"

Good luck. I hope this works out for you and your g/f.

[kamakashi]

I proposed to her on April 1st at the Trevi Fountain in Rome... no joke :-D We have set a marriage date in Thailand for September 25th. We are getting everything ready and I will have an income when I live in Thailand. Thank you everyone for your help.

[kamakashi]

I am now working on this visa to live in Thailand. I will also start our importing business on the internet with a friend. My friend is also marrying my fiances friend. Together we are helping each other live our dreams in Thailand. I'm glad I wont be doing this alone. Also our family does well financial and will help us live in Thailand.

Thai Marriage Visa:

The Thai marriage visa as it is known is called a non-immigrant “O” Visa. The “O” standing for “Other” are issued to foreigners married to a Thai national. Usually in Asia the “O” Visa is only issued as a single entry and valid in Thailand for a 3 month stay. Outside of Asia this can normally be issued as a multiple entry Visa meaning that it has multiple legs. The standard one year Multiple “O” visa can be used for a one year with 4 ‘legs”. Every 3 months you would need to leave the country and renter to activate the next leg.

Once the “O” visa is issued be it single or multiple entry you can obtain a one year extension. This is called a spousal extension and usually straightforward. This is applied for at Thai immigration. There is a set criteria for the ‘spousal extension’ of the Thai Marriage Visa.

These would include the showing of the required minimum amount in a Thai bank account or income of at least 40,000 Baht per month. There is also the question of a medical certificate, marriage certificate amongst other rules.

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Thai Marriage Visa Commencement:

The Thai marriage visa and extension starts with the obtaining of a Thai marriage visa at a Thai embassy. This can be a single or multiple entry Thai marriage visa. Once you enter Thailand the first leg of the visa is activated and you have 90 days in which to make an application for the extension to stay. Contact an attorney for the latest regulations of the Thai marriage visa.

Once you have the ‘spousal extension’ of the Thai marriage visa you do not need to leave Thailand again. Should you decide to take a trip out of Thailand you would need to apply at Immigration for a re-entry permit to not invalidate the marriage visa. Once this is granted you may leave and enter Thailand again without affecting your marriage visa. Should you not apply for a re-entry permit, once you leave you automatically cancel your marriage visa and the ‘spousal extension’.

The process would then need to be started again. Your Thai marriage visa is extended once a year on the same criteria that was sued when you first applied for it. Having a Thai marriage visa with the one year spousal extension however requires that every 90 days you report your address to Thai Immigration. That is a simple process of simply filling in a form with your current address on and having your passports “reporting Card” updated.

[jazzbo]

All the Mormons that I know spent one to two years on overseas missions and received excellent language training before going. The current US Ambassador to PR China, Jon Huntsman, Jr., speaks fluent Mandarin as he spent time in Taiwan on mission. Indeed there are several Mormon missionaries here in Isaan who ride around town on their bicycles in their white shirts with black name tags. Maybe you can be assigned as a Missionary in Thailand -- t'would solve all your visa hassles.

So where was your mission?

[kamakashi]

Hey Jazzbo I have already been on a Mormon mission. When you decide to go on a mission in the church you don't get to decide where you want to go. The church prays and asks God where I should serve my mission. I served in Tulsa, Oklahoma for 2 years. The only way for me to go on another mission is to be married to my Thai fiance and we are over the age of 45+ or so I think. Yeah missionaries get great visas but they cant get married on those visa hahahahhaha :-D I cant marry my fiance in Rome because she is on a student visa. Anyways we are excited for September 25th and this multiple 0 visa seems to be the best way to start our marriage.

[kamakashi]

I really think it is rediculous that we have to re-stamp the visa every 90 days for 12 months. If we miss a day or something happens I loose the Visa and go back to America.... leaving my wife in Thailand. How corrupt is that!!! All these requirements to live in Thailand with you wife is a bunch of bull. :-P Just seems that the government wants to make some money. America doesn't do this to and welcomes newcomers. We will see what happens soon. I hope the Thai government will change these laws because there are people out there who really love each other and not just marry for money.

[mizzi39]

I suggest that you go back and reread your first post and EVERY post after that including the pinned before posting again. When you are finished go back to the start and repeat.

I do not want to label you a troll OP, but i seriously wonder. To give you the benefit of the doubt i will assume that you are incredibly naive. Oh, and if you think that the US is so "welcoming to newcomers" just wait and see the hurdles you will be jumping through just to get her there.

P.S. If there is a MOD or ADMIN. around that could verify in which country the OP last posted from I will stop wondering if he is a troll and just accept the fact that he is incredibly naive.

[TerryLH]

"I really think it is rediculous that we have to re-stamp the visa every 90 days for 12 months."

If you meet the financial requirement, you can get an extension for a year at a time.

You must show a monthly income of 40k฿, or 400k฿ in a Thai bank.

The 40k is shown either by a letter from your embassy, in the case of overseas income, or by showing tax info from the revenue department in the case of local income.

If using the 400k in the bank route, the account must be in your name only. The full 400k must be in the bank for 2-3 months prior to applying.

If you don't meet the financial requirement, and have a multiple entry Non O visa, you must exit the country every 90 days. You will be given another 90 days permission to stay when you re-enter for as long as your original visa is valid.

No additional money is due to immigration for this procedure.

If you plan to work here you'll need a Work Permit. You can get one, if you meet the requirements, with either a Non O or a Non B visa.

"...accept the fact that he is incredibly naive."

Mizzi - you must work in PR.