Deposed Thai Premier Thaksin Now In Montenegro

[mythBuster]

Doesn't make it the truth though.

The man is still a convicted criminal caught with his hands deeply into the public till.

Believe what you like, but don't imagine this post changes many minds,

because you SAY you are from Montenegro, and this is suddenly enlightening.

You mean that he is convicted for a "conflict" of interest case and that Suthep had the same conflict of interest, resigned as a member of parliament but stays on as the boss of Abhisit? Or do you mean that the Thai government is fooling its people by claiming that there is an international arrest warrant out for him? If that were the case he would not have traveled from Dubai to Germany, from germany to Sweden, from Sweden to Russia and so on.

Or are you one of those naif persons who really thinks that the Thai governments likes to welcome Thaksin so thousands of people will get hurt and hundreds killed? You seem to be the PR man of Sondhi.

[Publicus]

Thaksin in Sweden

UPDATE : 30 March 2010

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs has revealed that Thaksin Shinawatra is now in Sweden after the United Arab Emirates reportedly asked him to leave the country. Thailand had previously sent additional informatin in trying to prove to the UAE that Thaksin was causing political unrest in Thailand and was using the UAE as a base.

http://www.thailandoutlook.tv/tan/ViewData...?DataID=1027040

Oh,so he started using our passport!What a surprise .

And Sweden let him in?!Criminal country!

No,EU has definitely nothing to do with this.It is just plain coincidence .

How's your application to the Council of Europe faring these days for status as a candiate to the EU? Montenegro listing Thaksin as an asset izzit?

[ratcatcher]

Thaksin was sentenced to a two year prison term. He left the country after posting bail.

There is no such crime as 'bail jumping.' The crime is "absconding" or becoming a "Fugitive from Justice"

He absconded and became a fugitive from justice. Ergo a criminal.

[Ice123]

Thaksin in Sweden

UPDATE : 30 March 2010

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs has revealed that Thaksin Shinawatra is now in Sweden after the United Arab Emirates reportedly asked him to leave the country. Thailand had previously sent additional informatin in trying to prove to the UAE that Thaksin was causing political unrest in Thailand and was using the UAE as a base.

http://www.thailandoutlook.tv/tan/ViewData...?DataID=1027040

Oh,so he started using our passport!What a surprise .

And Sweden let him in?!Criminal country!

No,EU has definitely nothing to do with this.It is just plain coincidence .

How's your application to the Council of Europe faring these days for status as a candiate to the EU? Montenegro listing Thaksin as an asset izzit?

Very good actually. Every EU ratification the Stabilisation and Association Process (last were Belgium and Greece couple days ago), and SAA will entry in force in May. Response to candidate will be known in last quarter of year. Anyway, Thaksin enters Sweden (EU country), it looks they should be kicked from EU too.

[hpl]

INTERVIEW - Citizen Thaksin to boost Montenegrin economy

Wed Apr 14, 2010 11:23pm IST

LONDON (Reuters) - Montenegro will draw a direct economic benefit from granting citizenship to ousted Thai Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra, the Balkan country's Finance Minister told Reuters on Wednesday.

"He will benefit the economy by introducing new investors or investing himself," Igor Luksic said on the sidelines of an investment forum in London.

The one-time owner of English Premier League soccer club Manchester City, Thaksin was ousted in a military coup in 2006 and later sentenced in absentia to two years in jail for graft.

Since fleeing Thailand -- where "red shirt" protestors who support him have been orchestrating a campaign of civil unrest -- he has been seen mostly in Dubai.

Luksic said Thaksin's citizenship -- confirmed by Montenegrin officials in March -- was "probably" awarded in the middle of 2009, before Thailand requested Interpol help to apprehend its former leader.

Luksic said Thaksin was "considering some investments" but would not say what they were.

"If Thaksin is going to invest in something, I'm pretty sure that it will be made public soon."

FUNDING NEEDS

In February, Montenegro found itself at odds with the International Monetary Fund over the scale of its economic contraction last year, with the government insisting the economy had shrunk 5.3 percent, less than the 7 percent estimated by the Fund.

Luksic said on Wednesday that, if the tiny former Yugoslav republic sought IMF help, it would favour a standby facility over outright loans, with other funding sources expected to cover its financing needs this year and next.

Montenegro, which became independent only in 2006 after leaving its union with Serbia, is preparing to bring its debut global bond to the market late May or early June to raise around 200 million euros.

On March 31, Standard & Poor's (S&P) cut the country's credit rating to BB from BB+ with a negative outlook, warning that pressure on public finances was rising due to the sharp economic slowdown and rising bad bank debt.

http://in.reuters.com/article/worldNews/id...0100414?sp=true

[way2muchcoffee]

Maybe soon he's going to have to live on his private jet, hopscotching there and then to refuel, resupply, occasionally to pick up some straggler Red leaders for company.

There's always Montenegro and Nicaragua and perhaps some African countries.

[grandpops]

Maybe soon he's going to have to live on his private jet, hopscotching there and then to refuel, resupply, occasionally to pick up some straggler Red leaders for company.

There's always Montenegro and Nicaragua and perhaps some African countries.

You ruled out him coming back here then? Couldn't touch him if they set up base in Chaing Mai!!!

[way2muchcoffee]

Maybe soon he's going to have to live on his private jet, hopscotching there and then to refuel, resupply, occasionally to pick up some straggler Red leaders for company.

There's always Montenegro and Nicaragua and perhaps some African countries.

You ruled out him coming back here then? Couldn't touch him if they set up base in Chaing Mai!!!

Nope. Haven't ruled that out either. In fact it would be a brilliant move if the goal is to inflame the government, military and other national institutions. I wonder why he hasn't done this already.

[Publicus]

Thaksin will be very much at home here:

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Dark times for Montenegrin democracy: Opposition leader attacked on the street, freedom of speech on internet threatened, accusations for not cooperating on regional war on crimes…

Posted by Montenegro Open on 02/03/10

Tags: attack, crime, democracy, Medojevic, Montenegro, opposition, Prime Minister

Last few weeks have shown the real face of Montenegrin political system once again. Opposition leader Mr Nebojsa Medojevic was attacked on the street because he publicly spoke about top crime boss in Montenegro, whom he accused to have power over Prime Minister Milo Djukanovic. The police arrested the perpetrator, who is said to be family-related to an individual whom Mr Medojevic declared as "shadow ruler" of Montenegro. The attacker threatened to "liquidate" Medojevic, and he described the attack as "classic Mafia-style intimidation."

Opposition recently launched a strong critic of Prime Minister, Milo Djukanovic, accusing him of protecting organized crime, especially those dealing with illegal drugs' trade.

Serbian B92 reported that Medojevic was attacked by an unidentified person of about 30 years of age, who attempted to strike him and told him to "stop mentioning Branislav Micunovic." Micunovic is a wealthy and very influential businessman, whom Medojevic has called "the most power person in Montenegro," stating that "everything depends on him, even police actions."

Then,shame on USA vicepresident and secretary of state for supporting criminal:

http://www.setimes.com/cocoon/setimes/xhtml/en_GB/features/setimes/newsbriefs/2010/01/21/nb-04

Opposition interpreted that as warning from USA that Djukanovic must resign.Than opposition leaders went to Washington and met with lower staff members-Ilona Telekiif you ever heard of her) highest positioned of them all.Serbian media for some reason supported one of Montenegrin opposition leaders Nebojsa Medojevic who won 5% on last elections.In the end Medojevic sued B92(newspapers you cited above) and said that they are payed by Djukanovic and mafia.All of this becouse they discovered that wanted alleged criminal Stanko Subotic is in fact in Geneva(Switzerland) and Medojevic said earlier that he is hiding in Montenegro,thus proving Medojevic lied.Also Subotic acused Medojevic of taking money from him earlier.Medojevic goes around acusing virtualy everybody,including all Montenegrin people after last elections calling him stupid for not voting for him.He is very offten demanted by those who he cite as sources including German ammbasy when he said that Germany will block Montenegro if Djukanovic does not step down.German ambasador said that this is simply not true and that it is not German stance.There are number of such examples.Sometimes I doubt that he is working for rulling coalition becouse he is making unbeliveably stupid moves.But ok-he can do whatever he wants-I think that he will never come close winning elections with this approach.If he does succeeds,then good luck to him.

Not to be understood wrong-we do have many problems-in justice system especialy,but when compared with 10 years ago when we were in Federal Republic of Yugoslavia together with Serbia,under internacional sanctions and bombed by NATO(although in much lesser extent than Serbia) then it is incrediable move forward.

After reading this post about your sorry country, if you want Thaksin Shinawat/Shinatra, not only should have him, you most certainly deserve him and believe us he'll be a perfect fit right at home in your rats' nest and I'm sure you'll be tickled pink about it.

You say the USA and the EU had to have cleared Thaksin's entry to Montenegro and the Montenegran passport to Thaksin but then you say the US was expressing its view (presumably through its Montenegro desk at DEPSTATE) that your PM Djukanovic needed to change careers, probably most desirably to a sidewalk vendor. You admit your courts and justice sytem is, to be kind, poor. You confirm the opposition of the Government of the Federal Republic of Germany to Montenegro's application to EU member state status, tho you say the German ambassador to your country denies Germany's leading role in blocking your accession (diplomatic double talk by European governments is hardly a news bulletin). I saw the report that Germany, France, Spain, Belgium and the Netherlands are interposing themselves in the Montenegran EU accession matter both of their own choosing and on the behalf of so many other EU member states.

Did the parade of some dozen Western leaders of governments to which you refer who recently met with your blackjack PM Djukanovic, to include the US SECSTATE Clinton and the VPOTUS Biden among so many others, arrive bearing gifts or did they arrive carrying evidence of Djukanovic's criminal activities? You're repeatedly trying to say the EU will admit a gangster mafioso state as a new member?!? Do you take meds?

Your posts defending and apolozgizing for the mafioso owners of your country's economy is better understandable when we read your posts welcoming the corrupt criminal Thaksin to your land. However, you don't only welcome Thaksin effusively - you spent all of your first posts to TVF praising Thaksin as PM and trying to defend the convicted fugitive PM while also pleading his cause in Thailand. Indeed, you state the Thaksin line chapter and verse. Yet you haven't said a syllable as to what Thaksin can or could do for your country, or of what you might hope and work to see Thaksin do for your country. Your focus is on defending Thaksin, the former PM fugitive convict of Thailand, and yapping as to how Thailand would be so much better off with the Great Divider Thaksin back in power in the country that Thaksin is interminibly dissembling. That you don't at all speak to how you could envisage Thaksin contributing to your country speaks volumes as to your purposes, motivations and and aims.

You and your gangster mafioso society and country are a whopper of a piece of work. The government there is well known for the dubious distinction of handing out passports to wealthy convicted swlindlers who are escaping and evading justice and who are in the pursuit of their ill gained and corrupt corporate interests.

your superiority complex stinks.

I am a Montenegrin.

You post as if I were the only forumist who's taking note that Montenegro is an embarrassment to itself in many ways, from a PM who's using his absurd ex officio immunity to protect himself from criminal investigations to a government that ranks with the blood diamond countries of Africa in associating with the criminal fugitive Thaksin.

You come here to post your propaganda which you are free to do as I'm sure your active membership of TV is appreciated and welcome, but when you and others spout the Thaksin line to Thailand verbatum from your country you should expect to take some considerable heat. I'm sure there are many decent Montenegrans to perhaps include yourself, but you yourself need to expect a reaction to your posts. Given that the reaction to the posts of yourself and others of your pov can be strong, you should be better prepared to respond than to sink into the self-pity of lashing out to accuse others of a complex of some sort. Any complex in the Thaksin fraud resides with its perpetrators, not its critics of you such folk over there saying you know better for someone else half a world away.

Grow up.

[animatic]

If you have bought the Thaksin PR campaign in Montenegro whole cloth and in total.

Then you can only expect we will thrash your mis-conceived ideas totally.

Either you work for him, or you are a victim of his Perception Managment of

his international image, and his take on this civil war he is financing.

He needed to prep the ground for his new homes/passports well,

so that the truth was swamped out by his image he needs to project.

Money can't buy you love, but it can buy you sympathy for a time.

[yoshiwara]

If you have bought the Thaksin PR campaign in Montenegro whole cloth and in total.

Then you can only expect we will thrash your mis-conceived ideas totally.

Either you work for him, or you are a victim of his Perception Managment of

his international image, and his take on this civil war he is financing.

He needed to prep the ground for his new homes/passports well,

so that the truth was swamped out by his image he needs to project.

Money can't buy you love, but it can buy you sympathy for a time.

One of the things that Thaksin will have paid Montenegro good money for would have been interference-free communications in order to manage the directions of the red movement and in particular the red leaders, plus of course access to the local banks for laundering money into Thailand for paying the red leaders.

What drove Thaksin and the red leaders incandescent with rage was the discovery that the US was able to tap into Thaksin's communications and pass the content of those communications to the Thai Government.

The content of such messages would have been serious to say the least.

Thaksin tried to retaliate by getting the reds to protest outside the US embassy.

If they replied at all to Thaksin which is unlikely, it would have been to tell him to fuc_k off.

They have had plenty of dealings with dodgy Balkan low-lifes ripping off state institutions and the local population.

Thaksin with his Montenegran passport is just another one in the collection.

[webfact]

TAKKI SINGEGRA

Thaksin now in a South Pacific country : Thai FM

Fugitive ex-PM Thaksin Shinawatra is believed to be staying in a South Pacific country after visiting Saudi Arabia earlier this week.

Chavanont Intarakomalyasut, the foreign minister's secretary, said yesterday that Thaksin - wanted in Thailand to serve a two year jail term - had visited Saudi Arabia from Saturday to Monday.

Chavanont quoted a report from the Thai ambassador to Saudi Arabia that Thaksin had visited Jeddah and Riyadh in his private jet before leaving for an Asean country.

Thaksin stayed two nights in the Asean country before departing yesterday for a South Pacific nation.

Chavanont did not name the Asean and South Pacific countries, but said the government could not put pressure on them to hand over Thaksin as Thailand has no extradition treaty with them.

"What we could do is to ask those countries not to allow Thaksin to use them as a base to criticise Thailand," he said.

The Foreign Ministry has been well aware of Thaksin's whereabouts but has been unable to say much about it.

Thaksin visited three South Pacific countries - Fiji, Vanuatu and Tonga - last July.

In Fiji, he reportedly conducted secret talks with Frank Bainimarama, controversial leader of the Pacific island's military installed regime.

Bainimarama is Fiji's selfappointed prime minister, who has drawn the ire of the international community by abrogating the constitution last April and refusing to hold democratic elections before 2014.

The Guardian online reported last July that it was claimed Thaksin was considering investing US$300 million (Bt9.6 trillion) in Fiji in return for protection from extradition.

The online newspaper reported that Thaksin had entered Fiji under an assumed name after his Thai passport was cancelled. The former prime minister has been issued new passports by the governments of Nicaragua, Uganda and Montenegro.

The Foreign Ministry believes Thaksin has used "Takki Singegra" as his name in his new passports.

At that time, the government claimed Thaksin had flown to Suva from Kuala Lumpur. Thai authorities had intended to apprehend him in Malaysia, but he flew out of the country in his Lear jet before they could act.

In the same week, Thaksin also visited Vanuatu and Tonga, where he was seeking to invest millions of dollars.

-- The Nation 2010-04-15

[newsfooter][/newsfooter]

[enginerevision]

Common....and people still believe this bull from the " thai goverment propaganda newspaper "

[hunglikea]

Common....and people still believe this bull from the " thai goverment propaganda newspaper "

Not sure to whom you are referring but if it is 'takki' then yes he is 'common' - as muck in fact.

He must be he's an ex policeman! No way is he 'elite, hi-so', YUK, the very thought of it

[animatic]

What drove Thaksin and the red leaders incandescent with rage was the discovery that the US was able to tap into Thaksin's communications and pass the content of those communications to the Thai Government.

No doubt that did drive him round the twist, but also as much that

The USA was WILLING to pass it on, and be named for doing it.

Big ole diplomatic Bitch Slap.

[Publicus]

What drove Thaksin and the red leaders incandescent with rage was the discovery that the US was able to tap into Thaksin's communications and pass the content of those communications to the Thai Government.

No doubt that did drive him round the twist, but also as much that

The USA was WILLING to pass it on, and be named for doing it.

Big ole diplomatic Bitch Slap.

For sure on both accounts. That the US Government is cooperating so extensively and thoroughly with the Abhisit Government in close surveillance of Thaksin is a clear taking of sides in the conflict and is a resounding statement that the US Government expects that Thaksin never again will be PM or in command or control of the Thai government. Indeed, if the assessment and evaluation of the US Government were that Thaksin directly or indirectly could again gain control of the government, the US Government 'diplomatically' would assume a less active and overt role in the beef between the sides in the former LOS which now is the Land of Incipient Civil War. The US Government will deal with whichever government the country has, so it clearly expects Thaksin will have little or no hand in directing a future government.

Stick a fork in square face 'cause he's cooked. Montenegro kindly take notice as the US continues to support Turkey for membership of the EU while the Montenegro Desk of the DEPSTATE is in some old WW2 leftover shack that no Washington taxi driver ever heard of.

Applause for Hillary and Barak.

[LaoPo]

Montenegro kindly take notice as the US continues to support Turkey for membership of the EU...............

As if Europe will let the US decide whether Turkey will end up in the EU or not. They wish...

For the time being most EU countries are not in a hurry to let a country like Turkey join the EU. The dangers are multiple and it will be a long time before Turkey can adapt to the rules in the EU.

Apart from that, there is quite a large resistance within Turkey itself to join the EU. Proud people who say they can manage themselves but their economy would benefit enormously but if the EU will remains to be seen.

Turkey is not Montenegro and vv.

LaoPo

Edited April 15, 2010 by LaoPo

[Thongkorn]

They mist a golden opportunity today , they should have sent him to the UK, All planes over the UK air space was grounded because of volcanic clouds, The aeroplane engines would shut down, End of story

[Montenegrin]

Hello,hello.Nice to see you again.Panic seems to be catching up .

Dont worry,new prime minister will be good to you all.

[Publicus]

Montenegro kindly take notice as the US continues to support Turkey for membership of the EU...............

As if Europe will let the US decide whether Turkey will end up in the EU or not. They wish...

For the time being most EU countries are not in a hurry to let a country like Turkey join the EU. The dangers are multiple and it will be a long time before Turkey can adapt to the rules in the EU.

Apart from that, there is quite a large resistance within Turkey itself to join the EU. Proud people who say they can manage themselves but their economy would benefit enormously but if the EU will remains to be seen.

Turkey is not Montenegro and vv.

LaoPo

The point is quite the reverse, i.e., Montenegro is not Turkey. And U yourself would like to think the US wishes it could dictate EU membership decisions, which is simply not a realistic thought.....as Confucious would say, don't be confused because the US position is a political one rather than one of a US presumed dictum.

But this per se is not a discussion of either Turkey or the US. It's about the present Montenegran government and Montenegran posters aiding, abetting or sheltering the criminal fugitive traitor Thaksin to create chaos in Thailand a half world away and the posters wailing when they're called to account for it.

Edited April 16, 2010 by Publicus

[animatic]

Hello,hello.Nice to see you again.Panic seems to be catching up .

Dont worry,new prime minister will be good to you all.

Aiding and abetting again, nothing like consistency.

Oh wait, "consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds".

OK you're constantly insistent.

Ah, so, is the new job panning out for you?

Nice office and steady salary?

Just keep spouting the party line.

Edited April 16, 2010 by animatic

[Montenegrin]

Cant help it.My mind is to little I guess.

Unconditional support to dictatorship is caracteristic of who?

[yoshiwara]

Cant help it.My mind is to little I guess.

Unconditional support to dictatorship is caracteristic of who?

No you can't.

'too little' for spelling when it gets a little bigger.

[animatic]

Cant help it.My mind is to little I guess.

Unconditional support to dictatorship is characteristic of who?

Sheeple of course!

If you find anyone showing unconditional support for any government;

you have found:

Someone too old and tired to care.

Someone indoctrinated during a past war.

Someone too stump stupid to form an opinion.

or

Someone willing to say it for profit.

[Neurath]

Cant help it.My mind is to little I guess.

Unconditional support to dictatorship is characteristic of who?

Sheeple of course!

If you find anyone showing unconditional support for any government;

you have found:

Someone too old and tired to care.

Someone indoctrinated during a past war.

Someone too stump stupid to form an opinion.

or

Someone willing to say it for profit.

dam_n, I wish I'd said that. Nice work.

[katasyd]

http://www.smh.com.au/world/focus-on-thaks...00416-skgu.html

The exiled former PM denies he is investing in the government's overthrow, writes Sian Powell.

Thaksin Shinawatra's face is on their red T-shirts. His voice, broadcast on loudspeakers at their encampment in Bangkok's upmarket shopping district, has been in their ears. His words are on their banners. But is his money in their pockets?

Thaksin, once the prime minister of Thailand and now an ousted leader who jumped bail and lives in exile, has been a significant presence at the thousands-strong rally of anti-government protesters at the Ratchaprasong intersection.

The United Front for Democracy Against Dictatorship supporters, widely known as the red shirts, believe the current government is illegitimate and have been demanding fresh elections from their encampment, where they have brought commerce to a grinding halt for a fortnight.

They enjoy free food, free water and tarpaulin shelters at the rally site, where a massive stage with a sophisticated sound system and video screen has been set up. Many, especially those from far-flung districts, have been provided with cash to pay for petrol and incidental expenses. A clip on YouTube, apparently shot on the first day of the rally in early March in Nakhon Phanom, in the far north-east of Thailand, shows a red-shirt official with a thick wedge of 1000 baht notes (each note worth about $33) handing 2000 baht in cash to red-shirt supporters.

The red shirts insist they have raised the money from donations rather than from a distant benefactor and, indeed, Thaksin's name is heard increasingly rarely in their leaders' speeches, and his face is less commonly seen on their shirts. Still, sceptics believe the protest is largely a Thaksin investment.

The Foreign Minister, Kasit Piromya, recently speculated that Thaksin is providing the red shirts with 300 million baht a day, and described him as a ''bloody terrorist''.

''It would be nice to have a look at where the money is going,'' he told reporters in Washington. Yet red-shirt numbers at the Ratchaprasong intersection, home to ritzy shopping centres and five-star hotels, swing between a few thousand and more than 30,000. Funds of $10 million a day would provide expenses for months or years to come.

In early February the Thai government announced that large and suspicious sums had been deposited from overseas and local sources into the bank accounts of various red-shirt leaders, and the Department of Special Investigation was told to determine where the money came from.

''The Minister of Justice gave an instruction to the DSI to proceed after there was news suggesting that Thaksin or Thaksin's associates were transferring money illegally into Thailand,'' the government's official spokesman, Panitan Wattanayagorn, told the Herald. ''Intelligence reports suggested unusual activities months ago.''

The funds, he said, were transferred via a winding trail of accounts. He said investigators had pinpointed 16 illegal activities and there had been links to casinos in neighbouring nations and criminal organisations. Mr Panitan said there had been reports in past weeks that 800 million baht had been released from previously frozen bank accounts used by the Thaksin family, but he conceded there was no information on where the money had gone. It was premature to speculate before the investigation's conclusions were released.

Detractors point to another clip of Thaksin wearing red and appealing to his supporters: ''But if you people want me to do the job, then I'm ready to serve you,'' he says. ''I'm ready to serve you and you don't need to queue for 500 baht.'' This has been adduced as evidence the tycoon is paying protesters a daily salary, but analysts have pointed out that he could easily have been referring to the queues for government assistance, one program offering 2000 baht and another 500 baht for the elderly.

Pismai Srisuk, a Bangkok housewife with four grown children, is mightily offended to learn there have been suggestions she is a paid activist, turning out on the searingly hot Bangkok streets for a little cash. ''The people only give some red shirts food,'' she said, sporting a red shirt and a large ring with a red stone. ''That's all.''

Nolapan Kaewkarn, who has a small shop in the city, said she desperately wanted Thaksin to return to Thailand. ''He does what he says,'' she said. As for the idea of red shirts as paid rabble-rousers, ''that's just a big lie''.

Thitinan Pongsudhirak, a respected Thai political scientist now based at Stanford, said that although it was likely Thaksin had provided some funds for the month-long rally, the red shirts were becoming increasingly adept at raising money.

''Given the close relationship between Thaksin and the [united Front for Democracy Against Dictatorship] leaders from the outset, it would be surprising if Thaksin provides no funds at all,'' he said. ''On the other hand, there have been growing organic fund-raising efforts among the reds' rank and file. To pin down numbers from Thaksin's pocket would require substantiation. A significant portion, if not the bulk, of his family wealth has been confiscated or is still in legal limbo.'' Thitinan said the highly volatile political atmosphere required flexibility from the government. ''Opponents need to consider and accommodate some of the red shirts' grievances on their own merits without the catch-all fixation with Thaksin's corruption and money, for Thailand to have peace and reconciliation.''

Funds had come from red-shirt sympathisers, insisted Weng Tajirakarn, one of the four senior red-shirt leaders. ''We must be very, very careful about the contribution of Mr Thaksin,'' he told the Herald. ''He supports us, yes, with speechmaking. But that's all.''

The movement's finances rested largely on donations, Weng said, which ranged from about 400,000 baht a day to 1.1 million baht a day. ''It's self sufficient,'' he said. ''There's no money coming from overseas.''

The protesters, he said, were using metropolitan water from hydrants, and electricity from the grid. ''And we don't pay for hotels,'' he added, gesturing at the tarmac. The stage and sound system had required some outlay of funds, but only in the beginning. ''A lot of people bring food for us, every day in the morning, at lunchtime and at night. It's because our struggle is a right cause.''

Meanwhile, Thaksin has been floating around the world on his various passports, seen in Sweden, Russia and recently, apparently, in the South Pacific. The 60-year-old misses Thailand, but has not sent a message on his Twitter page since April 11, about the time a burst of violence at a red-shirt rally site left 23 people dead and hundreds injured. His broadcasts to the faithful have decreased in number recently. Still, in a Twitter message, he denied rumours that he had been heard less often because he was unwell.

''I am not sick, I am healthy,'' he said, ''but I want the stage to be a stage for fighting democracy and justice.''

Dan Oakes reports: Speculation is mounting that Thaksin might be planning to use Fiji as his new base. Sources in Thailand have told the Herald Thaksin is either in or en route to Fiji, which does not have an extradition treaty with Thailand.

He is really living it up!!! hahaha

[Ricardo]

Hello,hello.Nice to see you again.Panic seems to be catching up .

Dont worry,new prime minister will be good to you all.

You mean the offers of 100,000 Baht per-supporter will also be extended to us farangs ? Heavens but you Montenegrins must be exceptionally-generous people ! Or have very deep pockets.

[LaoPo]

Montenegro kindly take notice as the US continues to support Turkey for membership of the EU...............

As if Europe will let the US decide whether Turkey will end up in the EU or not. They wish...

For the time being most EU countries are not in a hurry to let a country like Turkey join the EU. The dangers are multiple and it will be a long time before Turkey can adapt to the rules in the EU.

Apart from that, there is quite a large resistance within Turkey itself to join the EU. Proud people who say they can manage themselves but their economy would benefit enormously but if the EU will remains to be seen.

Turkey is not Montenegro and vv.

LaoPo

The point is quite the reverse, i.e., Montenegro is not Turkey.

And U yourself would like to think the US wishes it could dictate EU membership decisions, which is simply not a realistic thought.....as Confucious would say, don't be confused because the US position is a political one rather than one of a US presumed dictum.

That's what I wrote dear Publicus....."Turkey is not Montenegro and vv.". ...... vv or Vice-versa but I suppose you missed it.

And I also agree with your second sentence: ".............not a realistic thought" since I wrote " as if....."

Shows we have more in common than it sometimes appears to be...Isn't that nice ?

LaoPo

[Publicus]

Montenegro kindly take notice as the US continues to support Turkey for membership of the EU...............

As if Europe will let the US decide whether Turkey will end up in the EU or not. They wish...

For the time being most EU countries are not in a hurry to let a country like Turkey join the EU. The dangers are multiple and it will be a long time before Turkey can adapt to the rules in the EU.

Apart from that, there is quite a large resistance within Turkey itself to join the EU. Proud people who say they can manage themselves but their economy would benefit enormously but if the EU will remains to be seen.

Turkey is not Montenegro and vv.

LaoPo

The point is quite the reverse, i.e., Montenegro is not Turkey.

And U yourself would like to think the US wishes it could dictate EU membership decisions, which is simply not a realistic thought.....as Confucious would say, don't be confused because the US position is a political one rather than one of a US presumed dictum.

That's what I wrote dear Publicus....."Turkey is not Montenegro and vv.". ...... vv or Vice-versa but I suppose you missed it.

And I also agree with your second sentence: ".............not a realistic thought" since I wrote " as if....."

Shows we have more in common than it sometimes appears to be...Isn't that nice ?

LaoPo

That's very sweet of you but it takes two to agree and two to disagree.

The focus of this thread has to do with Montenegro and those such as Thaksin and many of his types that post here who may be agents of foreign governments. Thaksin certain is one.

[DagonKhan]

Seems little point in Thaksin destroying the environment flying around in his Learjet when he would be just as safe in Bangkok. There's one or two hotels he could stay at where he wouldn't get caught and wouldn't have to foot the bill either.