Anti-Red Shirts Protest Grows

[anotherpeter]

What I want to know is what subway exit do you take that lets you off actually inside Lumpini Park??? Every time I go I have to cross the main road there and never see any sign in the subway saying there is a Lumpini Park extit yet this appears to be an MRT station inside the park.

2 exits at Silom MRT. One exit goes up to Silom Rd and Saladaeng BTS. The other end goes up to Lumpini Park.

You are saying to not get off at Lumpini stop and instead go to the Silom stop?

I believe Lumpini has 3 exits but not sure about Silom to verify I'm understanding you right.

Thanks

Correct. Silom has 2 exits. One goes up to Lumpini park where they are protesting.

If you go to Lumpini station, 3 exits - 1 on Sathorn Rd, 1 over Rama IV going into the night bazaar, 1 back towards the expressway on Rama IV. You can get to Lumpini Park by taking the night bazaar exit and cross Wireless Rd (???), but the protestors look like they are at the Silom end of the park.

[frodo]

Can't make much of this, but it seems that the red motorcyclists went into the Lumpini area, provoked a fight, and lost? This can only get worse it would seem.

TAN Network: Red-shirts on motorcycle engaged in brawl with pink-shirt protesters gathering to protest against red rallies at Lumpini

THE NATION: INN sms reported that "provoked" pink demonstrators 'beat up' 4 reds on motorcycles.

I'll save the red supporters some time.

"Red-shirts on motorcycle engaged in brawl with pink-shirt protesters" does not equal "red motorcyclists went into the Lumpini area, provoked a fight, and lost".

But, having said that, the red shirts are all about peaceful protests, so they should be avoiding anti-red protests because confrontation with anti-reds is just asking for violence.

The reds have certainly provoked many agencies over the past few weeks all without a response. It does not seem that the Bangkokians will put up with their shenanigans. I agree 100%, the reds must allow others with a different point of view to also voice their opinions without threat and harassment. To send their mob into areas and provoke unrest falls on the UDD's shoulders.

[johndpoole]

What I want to know is what subway exit do you take that lets you off actually inside Lumpini Park??? Every time I go I have to cross the main road there and never see any sign in the subway saying there is a Lumpini Park extit yet this appears to be an MRT station inside the park.

2 exits at Silom MRT. One exit goes up to Silom Rd and Saladaeng BTS. The other end goes up to Lumpini Park.

You are saying to not get off at Lumpini stop and instead go to the Silom stop?

I believe Lumpini has 3 exits but not sure about Silom to verify I'm understanding you right.

Thanks

Correct. Silom has 2 exits. One goes up to Lumpini park where they are protesting.

If you go to Lumpini station, 3 exits - 1 on Sathorn Rd, 1 over Rama IV going into the night bazaar, 1 back towards the expressway on Rama IV. You can get to Lumpini Park by taking the night bazaar exit and cross Wireless Rd (???), but the protestors look like they are at the Silom end of the park.

Thanks ... sounds like the Pinks are already heading home and I was curious because I like going to the park to walk and just enjoy the park. Now at least I know I can go right into the park. Funny, my GF has always just assumed the Lumpini exit would be the best one too and she has lived in BKK for 15 years. ... We've always taken the Lumpini Night Bazaar exit (as you mentioned) then heading across whatever that main road is there.

Edited April 2, 2010 by johndpoole

[pedro01]

Red-shirt motorcyclist rescued by police from pink shirts

BANGKOK: -- Police rescued a red-shirt motorcyclists who was captured and attacked by pink-shirt demonstrators inside the Lumpini Park.

The pink-shirt people were dispersing at 5:30 pm when the spotted a motorcyclist in red-shirt with the logo of the Democratic Alliance Against Dictatorship riding inside the park.

They ran to attack the man, prompting police to come to rescue him and free him from the pink-shirt people.

A coordinator announced through the speakers, telling the pink-shirt people not to use violence.

Some 3,000 people joined the pink-shirt rally to counter the red-shirt rally.

Let me add something to this ridiculous report.

1 - it is now 4:50 - 40 minutes BEFORE the above report.

2 - the pink shirts are not dispersing

3 - they got nowhere near 3000 people in the square but the number of people has been pretty constant

4 - the pink shirts are outside the park, not inside it

Do the Nation even have someone on site ? If so - is it an adult ?

Edited April 2, 2010 by pedro01

[johndpoole]

Nation article mentions the pink rally is "dispersing" at 5.30pm? Have they got the ol' Flux Capacitor out?

If you read the article it also says they are already leaving ... is the Nation in a different time zone or just in the This Is Thailand Zone?

[johndpoole]

Red-shirt motorcyclist rescued by police from pink shirts

BANGKOK: -- Police rescued a red-shirt motorcyclists who was captured and attacked by pink-shirt demonstrators inside the Lumpini Park.

The pink-shirt people were dispersing at 5:30 pm when the spotted a motorcyclist in red-shirt with the logo of the Democratic Alliance Against Dictatorship riding inside the park.

They ran to attack the man, prompting police to come to rescue him and free him from the pink-shirt people.

A coordinator announced through the speakers, telling the pink-shirt people not to use violence.

Some 3,000 people joined the pink-shirt rally to counter the red-shirt rally.

Let me add something to this ridiculous report.

1 - it is now 4:50 - 40 minutes BEFORE the above report.

2 - the pink shirts are not dispersing

3 - they got nowhere near 3000 people in the square but the number of people has been pretty constant

4 - the pink shirts are outside the park, not inside it

Do the Nation even have someone on site ? If so - is it an adult ?

This was posted about 40-minutes ago (4:23 PM) in the News Forum

Red-shirt motorcyclist rescued by police from pink shirts

BANGKOK: -- Police rescued a red-shirt motorcyclists who was captured and attacked by pink-shirt demonstrators inside the Lumpini Park.

The pink-shirt people were dispersing at 5:30 pm when the spotted a motorcyclist in red-shirt with the logo of the Democratic Alliance Against Dictatorship riding inside the park.

They ran to attack the man, prompting police to come to rescue him and free him from the pink-shirt people.

A coordinator announced through the speakers, telling the pink-shirt people not to use violence.

Some 3,000 people joined the pink-shirt rally to counter the red-shirt rally.

-- The Nation 2010-04-02

Edit: Interesting to note that Thai Visa's time stamp on Posts is also running an hour fast ... same as The Nations's News reports

Edited April 2, 2010 by johndpoole

[johndpoole]

Pink shirts send postcards to PM to show moral support

BANGKOK: -- Some 3,000 people Friday gathered at the Lumpini Park to counter the red-shirt movement's demand for House dissolution.

During the rally, they wrote postcards to express their moral support for Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva.

They also wrote their feelings on pieces of paper attached to a kite's tale for the prime minister.

The rally officially started at 2:30 pm with coordination by Jaras Suwanmala, dean of Chulalongkorn University's Faculty of Political Science and Tridao Apaiwong, a CU lecturer.

The demonstrators made a pledge in front of the King Rama VI statue to have loyalty to the nation and monarchy.

They also showed their support for the government and urged the prime minister to resist the demand of the red-shirt movement, which calls for House dissolution within 15 days.

The demonstrators dispersed at 3:30 pm.

-- The Nation 2010-04-02

Now the news reporting seems to have gone an hour backwards in time from an hour in the future.

Edited April 2, 2010 by johndpoole

[SoMeOnEnUlL]

The silent major group?

The silent major group have been silent since the rise of yellow shirts, red shirts, then blue shirts and now pink shirts and must have been very ashamed of a few greedy so-called politicians and their brain-washed followers

[kiwikoppy]

Pink shirts send postcards to PM to show moral support

BANGKOK: -- Some 3,000 people Friday gathered at the Lumpini Park to counter the red-shirt movement's demand for House dissolution.

During the rally, they wrote postcards to express their moral support for Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva.

They also wrote their feelings on pieces of paper attached to a kite's tale for the prime minister.

The rally officially started at 2:30 pm with coordination by Jaras Suwanmala, dean of Chulalongkorn University's Faculty of Political Science and Tridao Apaiwong, a CU lecturer.

The demonstrators made a pledge in front of the King Rama VI statue to have loyalty to the nation and monarchy.

They also showed their support for the government and urged the prime minister to resist the demand of the red-shirt movement, which calls for House dissolution within 15 days.

The demonstrators dispersed at 3:30 pm.

-- The Nation 2010-04-02

Now the news reporting seems to have gone an hour backwards in time from an hour in the future.

why they ahve to wear pink??? again bringing daamage to a royal collor, why not stay with yello?

and they were quite peacefull as you read above haha.

P.s My GF goes to Chula, why they ahve to protest and cancel all classes bringing more damage to others?

Be a teacher and teach people, donr go make more problems.

ps. i dont say no one can protest ok, i dont deny anyone their democratic rights so dont come back with some weird reply.

I just dont like it for yellow shirts to go protest under another color so they can keep the presure off their idiot leader Sondhi.

No i do not support Thaksin or the yellow shirts, I just think that sondhi is the dumbest man I have ever seen.

Commiting lese majeste on a regular base, but somehow he is still smart, cause besides all the crimes he has commited he is still walking free.

Edited April 2, 2010 by kiwikoppy

[hammered]

Pink shirts send postcards to PM to show moral support

BANGKOK: -- Some 3,000 people Friday gathered at the Lumpini Park to counter the red-shirt movement's demand for House dissolution.

During the rally, they wrote postcards to express their moral support for Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva.

They also wrote their feelings on pieces of paper attached to a kite's tale for the prime minister.

The rally officially started at 2:30 pm with coordination by Jaras Suwanmala, dean of Chulalongkorn University's Faculty of Political Science and Tridao Apaiwong, a CU lecturer.

The demonstrators made a pledge in front of the King Rama VI statue to have loyalty to the nation and monarchy.

They also showed their support for the government and urged the prime minister to resist the demand of the red-shirt movement, which calls for House dissolution within 15 days.

The demonstrators dispersed at 3:30 pm.

-- The Nation 2010-04-02

Now the news reporting seems to have gone an hour backwards in time from an hour in the future.

why they ahve to wear pink??? again bringing daamage to a royal collor, why not stay with yello?

and they were quite peacefull as you read above haha.

P.s My GF goes to Chula, why they ahve to protest and cancel all classes bringing more damage to others?

Be a teacher and teach people, donr go make more problems.

ps. i dont say no one can protest ok, i dont deny anyone their democratic rights so dont come back with some weird reply.

I just dont like it for yellow shirts to go protest under another color so they can keep the presure off their idiot leader Sondhi.

No i do not support Thaksin or the yellow shirts, I just think that sondhi is the dumbest man I have ever seen.

Commiting lese majeste on a regular base, but somehow he is still smart, cause besides all the crimes he has commited he is still walking free.

So you either believe the red line that they are all yellows in disguise or you have been out chatting with them all to ascertain this for yourself

I think you'll find Chula was closed after Jatuporn basically threatened violence against it on the red stage. Still I guess if overly obsessed with yellows under teh bed it is easy to miss such things.

[hanuman1]

Red-shirt motorcyclist rescued by police from pink shirts

BANGKOK: -- Police rescued a red-shirt motorcyclists who was captured and attacked by pink-shirt demonstrators inside the Lumpini Park.

The pink-shirt people were dispersing at 5:30 pm when the spotted a motorcyclist in red-shirt with the logo of the Democratic Alliance Against Dictatorship riding inside the park.

They ran to attack the man, prompting police to come to rescue him and free him from the pink-shirt people.

A coordinator announced through the speakers, telling the pink-shirt people not to use violence.

Some 3,000 people joined the pink-shirt rally to counter the red-shirt rally.

Let me add something to this ridiculous report.

1 - it is now 4:50 - 40 minutes BEFORE the above report.

2 - the pink shirts are not dispersing

3 - they got nowhere near 3000 people in the square but the number of people has been pretty constant

4 - the pink shirts are outside the park, not inside it

Do the Nation even have someone on site ? If so - is it an adult ?

Thanks for the correction. The Thai-controlled media coverage throughout these protests has been an embarrassment to journalism and an affront to human intelligence.

I don't know why Thai Visa bothers with it. Is inaccurate news better than no news? Aparently so.

Edited April 2, 2010 by hanuman1

[frodo]

why they ahve to wear pink??? again bringing daamage to a royal collor, why not stay with yello?

and they were quite peacefull as you read above haha.

P.s My GF goes to Chula, why they ahve to protest and cancel all classes bringing more damage to others?

Be a teacher and teach people, donr go make more problems.

ps. i dont say no one can protest ok, i dont deny anyone their democratic rights so dont come back with some weird reply.

I just dont like it for yellow shirts to go protest under another color so they can keep the presure off their idiot leader Sondhi.

No i do not support Thaksin or the yellow shirts, I just think that sondhi is the dumbest man I have ever seen.

Commiting lese majeste on a regular base, but somehow he is still smart, cause besides all the crimes he has commited he is still walking free.

UDD leaders also have warrants for their arrest as well. Arisiman for some very serious charges, while Jatuporn Prompan, Nattawut Saikua, and Veera Musikapong also have warrants stemming from attacks on Prem's home years ago. I just cannot understand why they are not only walking free, but allowed to spew their propaganda nightly.

Students cannot protest? Had it not been for Jatuporn and Nattawut and threats against Chula, classes would have been in session. Blame the reds for that one. If they want to protest cool. Why continually attempt to confront those who also wish to protest. I take it by your post that all students were forced to wear pink today? What were the repercussions if they didn't?

[johncitizen]

"Network of Peace" lol

3000? More like 555

And the fact that the leadership of this movement consists of PAD members seems to give the impression that this "movement for peace" is none other than the militant cult of nationalist-elites that were responsible for the hijacking of the airports (in which several people mysteriously wound up dead, one of whom was found in a closet), the grenade attacks on police officers, and the use of blades, bars and pistols in violent riots. Keep your yellow shirts on and leave pink to the truly neutral, please.

I think the last image speaks volumes, as does the fact that hundreds of thousands of reds can maintain peaceful protests for weeks, but the instant the PAD (numbering less than 1000 and calling themselves a "Network of Peace" goes onto the street their claws come out straight away.

Edited April 2, 2010 by johncitizen

[johndpoole]

Pink shirts send postcards to PM to show moral support

BANGKOK: -- Some 3,000 people Friday gathered at the Lumpini Park to counter the red-shirt movement's demand for House dissolution.

During the rally, they wrote postcards to express their moral support for Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva.

They also wrote their feelings on pieces of paper attached to a kite's tale for the prime minister.

The rally officially started at 2:30 pm with coordination by Jaras Suwanmala, dean of Chulalongkorn University's Faculty of Political Science and Tridao Apaiwong, a CU lecturer.

The demonstrators made a pledge in front of the King Rama VI statue to have loyalty to the nation and monarchy.

They also showed their support for the government and urged the prime minister to resist the demand of the red-shirt movement, which calls for House dissolution within 15 days.

The demonstrators dispersed at 3:30 pm.

-- The Nation 2010-04-02

Now the news reporting seems to have gone an hour backwards in time from an hour in the future.

why they ahve to wear pink??? again bringing daamage to a royal collor, why not stay with yello?

and they were quite peacefull as you read above haha.

P.s My GF goes to Chula, why they ahve to protest and cancel all classes bringing more damage to others?

Be a teacher and teach people, donr go make more problems.

ps. i dont say no one can protest ok, i dont deny anyone their democratic rights so dont come back with some weird reply.

I just dont like it for yellow shirts to go protest under another color so they can keep the presure off their idiot leader Sondhi.

No i do not support Thaksin or the yellow shirts, I just think that sondhi is the dumbest man I have ever seen.

Commiting lese majeste on a regular base, but somehow he is still smart, cause besides all the crimes he has commited he is still walking free.

They cancelled classes because they were scared after the Reds said they would confront anybody at the school protesting against them.

Freedom of speech doesn't require you to wear a special color. Also, Yellow stood for something before that is very different in terms of what the Pink protester's message is. They also invited all those who also opposed yellow shirt disruptive protests to attend ... it was about them wanting to get back to normal life hear in BKK and to have all protests that are effecting their lives and wallet stop since their message has been made clear.

Note, the only disruption caused at this protest had to do with a Red Shirt coming to the event sporting his colors and patches. Also interesting to note that you and the Reds claim to want democracy but make threats to gather were others are already set to gather to provide an opposing view. Any rational person would see this as likely resulting in possible violence and therefore they scare most rational persons from coming out to express their freedom of speech.

Bottom line is their are nut jobs in every group and you should not condemn an entire group (especially an ad-hoc one) over a few radicals but when the people are following a clear lunatic then you should surely be skeptical of the groups motives, tactics and threat of large scale violence they posses.

[anotherpeter]

"Network of Peace" lol

3000? More like 555

And the fact that the leadership of this movement consists of PAD members seems to give the impression that this "movement for peace" is none other than the militant cult of elites that were responsible for the hijacking of the airports (in which several people mysteriously wound up dead, one of whom was found in a closet), the grenade attacks on police officers, and the use of blades, bars and pistols in violent riots. Keep your yellow shirts on and leave pink to the truly neutral, please.

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I think the last image speaks volumes, as does the fact that hundreds of thousands of reds can maintain peaceful protests for weeks, but the instant the PAD (numbering less than 1000 and calling themselves a "Network of Peace" goes onto the street their claws come out straight away.

Regardless of the colour, people are allowed to protest.

Ofcourse, it would be hypocritical of yellow shirts to protest because of loss of business, but if the yellow shirts came out to protest in support of the governments stance, they should be allowed to do that.

I think if a red shirt supporter rode his motor bike through an anti-red protest, it is the red-shirts fault if any violence occurs. If the red shirts want to keep it peaceful, they should keep away from any anti-red protests. Similarly, no anti-red protests should be organised within a reasonable distance of the red protest site.

edit: what does it say on the red shirt (in the image that "speaks volumes")?

Edited April 2, 2010 by anotherpeter

[frodo]

Regardless of the colour, people are allowed to protest.

Ofcourse, it would be hypocritical of yellow shirts to protest because of loss of business, but if the yellow shirts came out to protest in support of the governments stance, they should be allowed to do that.

I think if a red shirt supporter rode his motor bike through an anti-red protest, it is the red-shirts fault if any violence occurs. If the red shirts want to keep it peaceful, they should keep away from any anti-red protests. Similarly, no anti-red protests should be organised within a reasonable distance of the red protest site.

edit: what does it say on the red shirt (in the image that "speaks volumes")?

It reads, "Enough for God's sake!" (Something very similar)

A mountain out of a molehill.

[hammered]

"Network of Peace" lol

3000? More like 555

And the fact that the leadership of this movement consists of PAD members seems to give the impression that this "movement for peace" is none other than the militant cult of nationalist-elites that were responsible for the hijacking of the airports (in which several people mysteriously wound up dead, one of whom was found in a closet), the grenade attacks on police officers, and the use of blades, bars and pistols in violent riots. Keep your yellow shirts on and leave pink to the truly neutral, please.

I think the last image speaks volumes, as does the fact that hundreds of thousands of reds can maintain peaceful protests for weeks, but the instant the PAD (numbering less than 1000 and calling themselves a "Network of Peace" goes onto the street their claws come out straight away.

In the intersts of fairness you should also point out that the reds have murdered, maimed, beaten and intimidated people across the country and also once gone on a riot in the capital during which they threatened to imolate a some flats for poor people. To date in their latest dem they have been peaceful and maybe they have learnt from their previous excesses

If the pinks are really old yellows nobody yet knows although that is Jatuporn's claim. Sadly the veracity of most of Jatuporn's claims is lacking. However we will wait and see if this time there is any truth to his claim as these things come out in time and one day something he says will turn out to be true. We should also remember that the PAD actaully lost a lot of its early supporters and some of these have very different poltical standpoints form those espoused by the PAD right now. In fact one of the red leaders is ex-PAD. I take it this doesnt mean the reds are also a PAD front

[LuckyFive8888]

"Network of Peace" lol

3000? More like 555

And the fact that the leadership of this movement consists of PAD members seems to give the impression that this "movement for peace" is none other than the militant cult of nationalist-elites that were responsible for the hijacking of the airports (in which several people mysteriously wound up dead, one of whom was found in a closet), the grenade attacks on police officers, and the use of blades, bars and pistols in violent riots. Keep your yellow shirts on and leave pink to the truly neutral, please.

I think the last image speaks volumes, as does the fact that hundreds of thousands of reds can maintain peaceful protests for weeks, but the instant the PAD (numbering less than 1000 and calling themselves a "Network of Peace" goes onto the street their claws come out straight away.

these are bangkok poeple who are tired and fed up of the reds demonstration, bombing, terrorising, spilling contaminated blood on sukhumvit road, etc. so any chance to capture any reds they won't miss it. i'm sure they wont' kill them tho.

few more weeks and things will heat up to its boiling point, we will see some local bangkokians taking it up to their own hands as the police and the military are not doing anything to kick the reds out (as they have rights to demo). could it be civil war then?

anybody knows how to move out our thai families out of thailand during civil war? is the airport open?

[johndpoole]

"Network of Peace" lol

3000? More like 555

And the fact that the leadership of this movement consists of PAD members seems to give the impression that this "movement for peace" is none other than the militant cult of nationalist-elites that were responsible for the hijacking of the airports (in which several people mysteriously wound up dead, one of whom was found in a closet), the grenade attacks on police officers, and the use of blades, bars and pistols in violent riots. Keep your yellow shirts on and leave pink to the truly neutral, please.

..............

I think the last image speaks volumes, as does the fact that hundreds of thousands of reds can maintain peaceful protests for weeks, but the instant the PAD (numbering less than 1000 and calling themselves a "Network of Peace" goes onto the street their claws come out straight away.

What is a Red Shirt doing riding a motorcycle in Lumpini Park? And why would he choose to do this right near the Pink protesters? If I was there and with the Pinks, I certainly would grab this guy too until police arrived. Any reasonable person would see such an act as probable cause to believe this person was another motorcycle grenade throwing thug.

And I am kind of lost regarding your comments about the last picture? Am I not seeing a noose? It simply appears to be stating the obvious and that is that they feel enough is enough with the Red Shirts after 3 weeks of economic and social disruptions, bombings and living in fear. Especially given everyone has heard what the Reds have to say and they were even granted multiple sessions with the PM who offered solution but they refused. They wanted talks, they got them. They wanted the talks Live on TV and they got that too. They wanted elections and a break up of the gov't in 15 days (LMAO) and instead of leaving as winners when the PM said he would dissolve and hold election a year ahead of schedule and within 9=months they continue to make threats and take actions that are causing hardships on both Bangkok and all of Thailand. What a bunch of morons being led by a convicted criminal who only cares about his own wealth and power. Instead of going home winners they are showing themselves to be losers who have no interest in what is best for Thailand.

Seems to me these folks put out a call for those fed up with this BS to come out and let their feelings be known while making a pledge to the monarchy and then dispersing. Everything went along with plans until the Red showed up ... well actually the Reds kept many people at home given their threats to show up there which again, any reasonable person would see as having a good chance in resulting in violence.

[johndpoole]

"Network of Peace" lol

3000? More like 555

And the fact that the leadership of this movement consists of PAD members seems to give the impression that this "movement for peace" is none other than the militant cult of nationalist-elites that were responsible for the hijacking of the airports (in which several people mysteriously wound up dead, one of whom was found in a closet), the grenade attacks on police officers, and the use of blades, bars and pistols in violent riots. Keep your yellow shirts on and leave pink to the truly neutral, please.

I think the last image speaks volumes, as does the fact that hundreds of thousands of reds can maintain peaceful protests for weeks, but the instant the PAD (numbering less than 1000 and calling themselves a "Network of Peace" goes onto the street their claws come out straight away.

In the intersts of fairness you should also point out that the reds have murdered, maimed, beaten and intimidated people across the country and also once gone on a riot in the capital during which they threatened to imolate a some flats for poor people. To date in their latest dem they have been peaceful and maybe they have learnt from their previous excesses

If the pinks are really old yellows nobody yet knows although that is Jatuporn's claim. Sadly the veracity of most of Jatuporn's claims is lacking. However we will wait and see if this time there is any truth to his claim as these things come out in time and one day something he says will turn out to be true. We should also remember that the PAD actaully lost a lot of its early supporters and some of these have very different poltical standpoints form those espoused by the PAD right now. In fact one of the red leaders is ex-PAD. I take it this doesnt mean the reds are also a PAD front

Haven't the Reds also carried out assassination attempts?

Edited April 2, 2010 by johndpoole

[anotherpeter]

Regardless of the colour, people are allowed to protest.

Ofcourse, it would be hypocritical of yellow shirts to protest because of loss of business, but if the yellow shirts came out to protest in support of the governments stance, they should be allowed to do that.

I think if a red shirt supporter rode his motor bike through an anti-red protest, it is the red-shirts fault if any violence occurs. If the red shirts want to keep it peaceful, they should keep away from any anti-red protests. Similarly, no anti-red protests should be organised within a reasonable distance of the red protest site.

edit: what does it say on the red shirt (in the image that "speaks volumes")?

It reads, "Enough for God's sake!" (Something very similar)

A mountain out of a molehill.

OK ... then maybe JohnCitizen can explain how a red shirt with "Enough for god's sake" "speaks volumes" about the pink shirts "claws coming out" ....

[traderjm]

I posted the pictures in the interest of exposing lies. Ridiculous ones at that.

You refer me to a post where I have lied about red violence or condoned it, and I'll find a similar catalog of red violent pictures just as easily.

I never said YOU lied about RED violence, but you said you were posting the pics to show that "members" of TV falsely claimed that the Yellows were never violent, but there are just as many (if not more) red supporters that claim that there was NO red violence last year at this time or that it was ONLY fake RED shirts..so in the interest of being impartial, (assuming you are aiming for that) I was just thinking you should be calling BOTH groups on their lies... seemed like a nice middle ground, non?

[frodo]

The red guards have also detained people who they claimed tried to penetrate into their little fortress.

No big deal if the pink shirts detain those who try to provoke their right to protest as well.

[rixalex]

In fact one of the red leaders is ex-PAD.

Interesting. Who?

[lannarebirth]

In fact one of the red leaders is ex-PAD.

Interesting. Who?

Wennnnngggg!

[johncitizen]

Dr. Weng for one. I know of several others in more junior leadership positions, but I won't name them here.

They participated in the original protests against Thaksin but jumped ship when the military coup happened.

They do not support Thaksin, but they reject military dictatorship as an alternative. They are the true believers of democracy in Thailand, and I have the utmost respect for them.

[rixalex]

And regarding why the last picture speaks volumes, I refer you to the Thammasat massacre, when angry mobs of "deputized" civilians led by the military descended upon the students, who were accused of being "enemies of the nation, religion and the monarchy" (sound familiar?) and slaughtered hundreds, if not thousands of them.

Thousands? How can that be? Samak said only one life was lost.

[anotherpeter]

If you actually looked at the picture, the motorcyclist is riding along a road adjacent to Lumpini Park. As is his right. (He was also at the tail end of the red convoy coming back from the US Embassy, which is next door.)

And regarding why the last picture speaks volumes, I refer you to the Thammasat massacre, when angry mobs of "deputized" civilians led by the military descended upon the students, who were accused of being "enemies of the nation, religion and the monarchy" (sound familiar?) and slaughtered hundreds, if not thousands of them. If you were around at the time, I'm sure you would have justified it as "the Bangkok people were tired of the protests" as well.

Those who forget history invite it to repeat itself.

If you look at those pictures, he's having water splashed over him. Violent? Also, the US embassy is at the opposite corner of the park to where the protest was. This guy looks like he was coming off Silom Rd onto Rama IV.

Your equating a shirt hanging on a tree with a massacre years ago. Clutching at straws aren't you?

[rixalex]

Dr. Weng for one. I know of several others in more junior leadership positions, but I won't name them here.

They participated in the original protests against Thaksin but jumped ship when the military coup happened.

They do not support Thaksin, but they reject military dictatorship as an alternative. They are the true believers of democracy in Thailand, and I have the utmost respect for them.

Just to be clear, they jumped ship at exactly the time of the coup and had nothing to do with the airport nonsense?

[hammered]

Dr. Weng for one. I know of several others in more junior leadership positions, but I won't name them here.

They participated in the original protests against Thaksin but jumped ship when the military coup happened.

They do not support Thaksin, but they reject military dictatorship as an alternative. They are the true believers of democracy in Thailand, and I have the utmost respect for them.

Doc. Weng for sure. Iiirc Charan also attended a few PAD events in the early days although I am not certain on this

People forget that the early PAD things were just demos against corruption and attracted a very different crowd from what they ended up with in the airport. Lots of early PAD were defintiely very pro-democracy. The coup and the 70-30 stuff were things that turned many away as did the airport latterly.

At a later time an anlysis of the whole colour coded Thai protest movements will be very interesting and revealing but for now it couldnt be done in any independent way as it is too emotive and also it is not yet over

Edited April 2, 2010 by hammered