Tests Prove HIV And Hepatitis Tainted Blood Used In Red Shirt Protests

[moresomekl]

Netfan,

The website I told you was not to do with this blood saga article. I just answered to your call for some other liberal websites, but I sensed you're not one of the ''liberal ones''

Me supporting the Reds doesn't mean I support Thaksin, so pls distinguish the fact that there're really people out there, like me, who would do anything within their power to chase the dream of true democracy. I just feel for those who're trying in vain against the elites -that doesn't mean I'm a pro-Thaksin.

Neither did I say I agreed with their blood campaign. I just found the cheap tactic of a false claim like this more pathetic.

I'm just a Thai woman who wants to see change. I'm not brave enough to go in the open like these red-shirts, because of my profession. That's why I feel these people trying to make change (which may never come) have made more sacrifice for their belief than you and me would ever do. Hats off to them.

Then you are what the Red movement needs publicly. If they would find a Caesar Chavez, MLK, Su Kyi figure to lead them and truly condemn the acts of violence, refute Thaksin and be willing to hold meaningful talks with the government, they would achieve much more and perhaps gain international support. But realistically, what do you think would happen to you if you got up on stage and said what you said here? With the leadership the reds have now, there is, unfortunately, no room for a reasonable person such as yourself in their leadership ranks.

Chavez from Venezuela along Su Kyi and MLK ?

Next time choose better please

[lannarebirth]

Netfan,

The website I told you was not to do with this blood saga article. I just answered to your call for some other liberal websites, but I sensed you're not one of the ''liberal ones''

Me supporting the Reds doesn't mean I support Thaksin, so pls distinguish the fact that there're really people out there, like me, who would do anything within their power to chase the dream of true democracy. I just feel for those who're trying in vain against the elites -that doesn't mean I'm a pro-Thaksin.

Neither did I say I agreed with their blood campaign. I just found the cheap tactic of a false claim like this more pathetic.

I'm just a Thai woman who wants to see change. I'm not brave enough to go in the open like these red-shirts, because of my profession. That's why I feel these people trying to make change (which may never come) have made more sacrifice for their belief than you and me would ever do. Hats off to them.

Then you are what the Red movement needs publicly. If they would find a Caesar Chavez, MLK, Su Kyi figure to lead them and truly condemn the acts of violence, refute Thaksin and be willing to hold meaningful talks with the government, they would achieve much more and perhaps gain international support. But realistically, what do you think would happen to you if you got up on stage and said what you said here? With the leadership the reds have now, there is, unfortunately, no room for a reasonable person such as yourself in their leadership ranks.

Chavez from Venezuela along Su Kyi and MLK ?

Next time choose better please

Uh-hum!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%C3%A9sar_Ch%C3%A1vez

[george]

Update:

Doctors under fire over tests of 'reds' blood

BANGKOK: -- The Mahidol Brothers Group's comment that the blood the redshirt protesters splashed Government House and the PM's residence with on March 1516 carried hepatitis B, hepatitis C and HIV viruses was mixed in with pig's blood as well could be considered unethical, the Medical Council of Thailand warned yesterday.

The council's subcommittee for professional ethics is set to discuss this issue in its meeting on April 8.

To add to the group's problems, Mahidol University's Ramathibodi Hospital denied doing any blood tests for the group, while the red shirts are threatening to take it to court for "human rights" violations.

The Mahidol Brothers Group, led by Dr Kusol Prawichpaiboon, submitted a letter about the bloodtest results to Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva via his deputy secretarygeneral Issara Sunthornwat in Parliament at 1.15pm yesterday.

The group, comprised of doctors, nurses, pharmacists, dentists and specialists, said the letter voiced concern for the protesters' health and condemned this method of protest. They claimed to have had the blood samples tested at a Ramathibodi Hospital lab.

Later yesterday, the Medical Council president Somsak Lohlekha said the subpanel for ethics would discuss next week if the group's action could be considered unethical. He also said that those who were splattered by the blood - assuming it had the HIV virus - and later tested HIVpositive, could file a complaint with the council. However, he said, this was unlikely because the virus could not enter the skin, unless it had an open wound.

Permanent Secretary for Public Health Paijit Warachit said Thai nationals who believe they have caught the HIV virus were entitled to antiviral medication. The medication, though, must be taken within 2448 hours of exposure, and affected parties need to undergo blood tests every three months.

He said that there was a higher chance of infection if HIVpositive blood got into one's eyes instead of the mouth, which had saliva to destroy microbes.

Meanwhile, Ramathibodi Hospital's director, Dr Than Supatarapan, said he did not know Dr Kusol, the Mahidol Brothers Group leader, because he did not work at the hospital. In addition, he said, he had inquired with the hospital's Pathology Department and was told that no blood samples had been submitted for tests recently.

-- The Nation 2010-04-02

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[mazeltov]

I thought this was another April Fool's joke story. But I saw it on the MCOT news site so I guess not...

OP is original MCOT source

NNT has the story as well.

http://thainews.prd.go.th/en/news.php?id=255304010032

[moresomekl]

Netfan,

The website I told you was not to do with this blood saga article. I just answered to your call for some other liberal websites, but I sensed you're not one of the ''liberal ones''

Me supporting the Reds doesn't mean I support Thaksin, so pls distinguish the fact that there're really people out there, like me, who would do anything within their power to chase the dream of true democracy. I just feel for those who're trying in vain against the elites -that doesn't mean I'm a pro-Thaksin.

Neither did I say I agreed with their blood campaign. I just found the cheap tactic of a false claim like this more pathetic.

I'm just a Thai woman who wants to see change. I'm not brave enough to go in the open like these red-shirts, because of my profession. That's why I feel these people trying to make change (which may never come) have made more sacrifice for their belief than you and me would ever do. Hats off to them.

Then you are what the Red movement needs publicly. If they would find a Caesar Chavez, MLK, Su Kyi figure to lead them and truly condemn the acts of violence, refute Thaksin and be willing to hold meaningful talks with the government, they would achieve much more and perhaps gain international support. But realistically, what do you think would happen to you if you got up on stage and said what you said here? With the leadership the reds have now, there is, unfortunately, no room for a reasonable person such as yourself in their leadership ranks.

Chavez from Venezuela along Su Kyi and MLK ?

Next time choose better please

Uh-hum!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%C3%A9sar_Ch%C3%A1vez

Oh OK ...not the Venezualian clown , ( Hugo not Ceasar now that i recall )

Apologies

Edited April 1, 2010 by moresomekl

[brianb1944]

its takes less than 5 minutes to conduct the actual aids test.....add on say 3 hours each way for the blood to be transported to the hospital/testing facility and the reslts to be returned......you have around 4 hours....add a few more hours for "RED SHIRT" traffic jams...........hey they poured the blood over 2 weeks ago.......but today they release the results????????? Obv a govt generated piece of BS....tarnish the reds at all cost....they want democracy....don't let them

What a crock, and you rambled on before failaing ti make your point

[dobadoy]

looks like checks and balances under the Abhisit administration appear to work...more than can be said for the old system under Thaksin.

[Jimi007]

What does "Mai Ba Lai" mean?

I think it is actually a quick version of "Mai Pen Rai" ... "no problem".

No, Mai Ba laew, means: Not crazy now...

It's always meant "doesn't matter" to me, and that's how I say it mai ba lai

And whatever it means it's still Thai

To keep this more on topic, Bah in Thai, means crazy, like the red shirts pouring blood of any kind around government buildings. Pen rai means problem. As in ow pen rai mai? Want a problem? Mai pen rai, no problem. Or mai pluurr, no problem in southern Thai. Well Thailand certainly has some problems now... Ko jai mai? hehe

[brianb1944]

[must be one of those yellow apologist of the PAD , that stormed the airport

Ummm, wrong again. actually i have often posted that the airport takeover was a poor decision and damaged Thailand, and I think the PAD leaders should be brought to justice (as they ever so slowly are), and that appointing Kasit was a <deleted>??? moment, and hopefully when the government can get back to business Kasit will go. I also believe the people of Isaan have legitimate grievences, as do people in the south, and the poor in any country. But question the actions of the Reds and someone who supports the red agenda no matter what their tactics are jumps up and down crying about the airport again. It's the blind followers of Thaksin, the "J" boys, Nattawut, Arisman and Seh Daeng, the ones who never question a tactic or the rhetoric that comes from the Red camp and have no plan for Thailand other than bring back Mr. T. that are, well, a little scary.

date from thr clever people in Issan and Chiang Mai

A little scary!! massive understatement how many billion did he make last time? and how many billion can he make with a mandate from Issan and Chiang Mai to plunder the country at will

[brianb1944]

its takes less than 5 minutes to conduct the actual aids test.....add on say 3 hours each way for the blood to be transported to the hospital/testing facility and the reslts to be returned......you have around 4 hours....add a few more hours for "RED SHIRT" traffic jams...........hey they poured the blood over 2 weeks ago.......but today they release the results????????? Obv a govt generated piece of BS....tarnish the reds at all cost....they want democracy....don't let them

Duh! What a crock

[schvonsky1]

its takes less than 5 minutes to conduct the actual aids test.....add on say 3 hours each way for the blood to be transported to the hospital/testing facility and the reslts to be returned......you have around 4 hours....add a few more hours for "RED SHIRT" traffic jams...........hey they poured the blood over 2 weeks ago.......but today they release the results????????? Obv a govt generated piece of BS....tarnish the reds at all cost....they want democracy....don't let them

Well wot u gotta remember thailand is rife with AIDS HIV whatever you wanna call it so hope is not true otherwise its doomsday

[rainman]

When and where were these samples collected? As we've all seen on TV, the blood was quickly cleaned up in front of the government house and in front of Abhisit's house by cleaning crews. I didn't see any of them taking samples. Not saying there weren't any diseases in the blood, because obviously when you take samples from nearly 100,000 people, you'll find some diseases. I doubt anyone expected the opposite.

[Danlo]

Of course if its in the newspaper it must be true...............

[Stricken]

You have to be pretty gullible to believe everything PAD puts out in the news

[mazeltov]

I would love to believe what you say , but lets face it , they are neither in for Thaksin nor for democracy but for the 500THB that they get daily of which i guess most is sent back to their familly in Isaan .

Poor people always have poor choice

[SurinLA]

What does "Mai Ba Lai" mean?

I think it is actually a quick version of "Mai Pen Rai" ... "no problem".

No, Mai Ba laew, means: Not crazy now...

It's always meant "doesn't matter" to me, and that's how I say it mai ba lai

And whatever it means it's still Thai

Maybe he tries to say "Mai Ba Lei (or Laey) = Not Crazy At ALL" Or "Mai Ba Leaw" = Done from being Crazy.

[Maestro]

The blood-splashing was not the only black-magic ritual performed so far during the red shirt rallies. A Nation editor posted this on his Twitter account on March 26:

9monks fr Nongkhai perform soul-destroying ritual @red rally 2day, burning Prem's, PM's, Newin's, Sutep's names in earth pots w/ chilli&salt

I can't find it mentioned on Thaivisa and therefore I am asking here in this topic if anybody can find a video of this burning of names, as I would like to add it to my collection of videos on the subject of black magic. I have been unable to find any video of it on the web but somebody more experienced may be able to find it.

--

Maestro

[Publicus]

The blood-splashing was not the only black-magic ritual performed so far during the red shirt rallies. A Nation editor posted this on his Twitter account on March 26:

9monks fr Nongkhai perform soul-destroying ritual @red rally 2day, burning Prem's, PM's, Newin's, Sutep's names in earth pots w/ chilli&salt

I can't find it mentioned on Thaivisa and therefore I am asking here in this topic if anybody can find a video of this burning of names, as I would like to add it to my collection of videos on the subject of black magic. I have been unable to find any video of it on the web but somebody more experienced may be able to find it.

--

Maestro

A former gf has a good spirit advisor who might be able to help you.

[SurinLA]

The blood-splashing was not the only black-magic ritual performed so far during the red shirt rallies. A Nation editor posted this on his Twitter account on March 26:

9monks fr Nongkhai perform soul-destroying ritual @red rally 2day, burning Prem's, PM's, Newin's, Sutep's names in earth pots w/ chilli&salt

I can't find it mentioned on Thaivisa and therefore I am asking here in this topic if anybody can find a video of this burning of names, as I would like to add it to my collection of videos on the subject of black magic. I have been unable to find any video of it on the web but somebody more experienced may be able to find it.

--

Maestro

You may want to check out www.nationchannel.com and backtrack to see if there are old viedos from 2 weeks ago. The 9 monks number is for good luck. This is why the 9 months time frame for house dissolution seems to be the same reason (my opinion).

[mazeltov]

The blood-splashing was not the only black-magic ritual performed so far during the red shirt rallies. A Nation editor posted this on his Twitter account on March 26:

9monks fr Nongkhai perform soul-destroying ritual @red rally 2day, burning Prem's, PM's, Newin's, Sutep's names in earth pots w/ chilli&salt

I can't find it mentioned on Thaivisa and therefore I am asking here in this topic if anybody can find a video of this burning of names, as I would like to add it to my collection of videos on the subject of black magic. I have been unable to find any video of it on the web but somebody more experienced may be able to find it.

--

Maestro

smells like tulsathit twit.

did you try to ask over there?

[Brewsta]

Pigsblood? Is this proof that Mr T donated his blood as well???

Nah.....his fluids are pure black.... anyways, shows how much Theatre is prevalent over Thought, as usual..

Brewsta Van Helsing III )

[webfact]

UPDATE

Doctors under fire over tests of 'reds' blood

By The Nation

BANGKOK: -- The Mahidol Brothers Group's comment that the blood the redshirt protesters splashed Government House and the PM's residence with on March 1516 carried hepatitis B, hepatitis C and HIV viruses was mixed in with pig's blood as well could be considered unethical, the Medical Council of Thailand warned yesterday.

The council's subcommittee for professional ethics is set to discuss this issue in its meeting on April 8.

To add to the group's problems, Mahidol University's Ramathibodi Hospital denied doing any blood tests for the group, while the red shirts are threatening to take it to court for "human rights" violations.

The Mahidol Brothers Group, led by Dr Kusol Prawichpaiboon, submitted a letter about the bloodtest results to Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva via his deputy secretarygeneral Issara Sunthornwat in Parliament at 1.15pm yesterday.

The group, comprised of doctors, nurses, pharmacists, dentists and specialists, said the letter voiced concern for the protesters' health and condemned this method of protest.

They claimed to have had the blood samples tested at a Ramathibodi Hospital lab.

Later yesterday, the Medical Council president Somsak Lohlekha said the subpanel for ethics would discuss next week if the group's action could be considered unethical.

He also said that those who were splattered by the blood - assuming it had the HIV virus - and later tested HIVpositive, could file a complaint with the council.

However, he said, this was unlikely because the virus could not enter the skin, unless it had an open wound.

Permanent Secretary for Public Health Paijit Warachit said Thai nationals who believe they have caught the HIV virus were entitled to antiviral medication.

The medication, though, must be taken within 2448 hours of exposure, and affected parties need to undergo blood tests every three months.

He said that there was a higher chance of infection if HIVpositive blood got into one's eyes instead of the mouth, which had saliva to destroy microbes.

Meanwhile, Ramathibodi Hospital's director, Dr Than Supatarapan, said he did not know Dr Kusol, the Mahidol Brothers Group leader, because he did not work at the hospital.

In addition, he said, he had inquired with the hospital's Pathology Department and was told that no blood samples had been submitted for tests recently.

-- The Nation 2010-04-02

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[liloldspirut]

its takes less than 5 minutes to conduct the actual aids test.....add on say 3 hours each way for the blood to be transported to the hospital/testing facility and the reslts to be returned......you have around 4 hours....add a few more hours for "RED SHIRT" traffic jams...........hey they poured the blood over 2 weeks ago.......but today they release the results????????? Obv a govt generated piece of BS....tarnish the reds at all cost....they want democracy....don't let them

I would have believed it as much as 4 hours after the protest. Who is trying to taint who. Blood has to be spilled to maintain FREEDOM, a simple but verifiable fact.

[OBLEDUT]

Maybe they all have been to soi cowboy

[OzMick]

its takes less than 5 minutes to conduct the actual aids test.....add on say 3 hours each way for the blood to be transported to the hospital/testing facility and the reslts to be returned......you have around 4 hours....add a few more hours for "RED SHIRT" traffic jams...........hey they poured the blood over 2 weeks ago.......but today they release the results????????? Obv a govt generated piece of BS....tarnish the reds at all cost....they want democracy....don't let them

I would have believed it as much as 4 hours after the protest. Who is trying to taint who. Blood has to be spilled to maintain FREEDOM, a simple but verifiable fact.

Oh come off it! They were free to commit a stupid act, they were free enough to walk away without even a fine (try dropping a butt on Sukhumvit!), to tie up traffic for weeks - but blood has to be spilled to maintain freedom. Cobblers!

Another mindless slogan to go with "more democracy" and "help the poor"

[zorro1]

First April or not, propaganda or not. Still there should be a law about spreading infectiousness diseases like those, as many said before in this thread there are high probability of blood borne diseases and in many westerner countries laws, it is illegal to intentionally throw blood at someone or something. So not defending any color, this act and the act of attacking a military facility should have made a clear point to the government to take some serious measure. Back at home I would have had a warning shot first if I entered a military facility without any authorization and the second shot I wouldn't be able to run from.

Perhaps some of you Red Shirt (Thaksin lovers) apologists on TV can tell all of us what country in the world would have allowed attacks on a military facility without taking action at least against the leaders? The Red Shirts will continue to push - lawless acts and lawless tactics - until they are finally stopped by the Government whether it be police or the military. Something has to be done. They are killing the economy of Thailand & don't give a dam-n. They don't want peace, they want war. Give it to them!

Strangely the thai SET (stockmarket ) has soared during the protetsts. This suggests the oposite to destroying the economy

[Mekhong]

Dr Somsak added that persons contracting HIV/AIDS from the protest can make complaint to the council.

Well that's ok then !!!

[meelousee]

LOL

Once HIV is exposed to sunlight and O2 it is dead as a doornail and CAN NOT be transmitted. 45 seconds or less. IT MUST have a host to survive.

HEP, B & C also fall into this category BUT if within the hour it can be transmitted.

These are facts not guesses

OK you look it up as I did when they announced they were going to do this blood throwing. However distasteful it is I still think it was a good show of commitment.

[yesdavy]

Hardly news - if you take blood from a large random number of people then this result is inevitable. Good scaremongering tactics from the government but that is about it - any intelligent person knows that blood carries risk

110% agree - just statistic medical data that exists in every population no matter what country.

I think you folks are missing the point.

Whether you agree with the Redshirts, or with the Aphisit government, it's the "potential" to pass the infection that creates the criminal issue.

In the USA, at the very least, this would be considered "Reckless Endangerment" and subject to criminal prosecution. However, if the Redshirt leadership who planned it, KNOWINGLY utilized infected blood it could be considered "Attempted Homocide". If someone actually contracts an incurable terminal disease from it, then the planners and perpetrators could be prosecuted for premeditated murder, or in the case of the PM's home, attempted assassination.

In the law you have to consider intent, and potential. Not just dismiss it as low probability.

Well, in the USA, the very least this could be considered is littering.

Now counselor, since you have advanced your expertise on U.S. law, and there may be others here similarly interested in your knowledge, are you charging them with 1st degree or 2nd degree reckless endangerment and upon what conduct, definitions, and precedents do you prove your charge?

Regarding your allusion to your hypothetical "if" scenarios, attempted murder and premeditated murder, how do you prove the actions being carried out by the defendant(s) as having the conscious purpose or intent of causing death to a victim, the victim being _______? How do the "last proximate acts" doctrine and remote preparatory acts corroborate your charges?

[YORKSHIREPUD]

Hardly news - if you take blood from a large random number of people then this result is inevitable. Good scaremongering tactics from the government but that is about it - any intelligent person knows that blood carries risk

You are absolutely right!

I agree; it's nothing but stupid scaremongering and dumb sensationalism. No one will contract the HIV virus from this blood - the chances are really negligable. Have you seen someone with deep, bleeding cuts taking a bath in the fresh blood?

It's right, some HIV tests could be done quickly - but these tests would not necessarily show that there is actual HIV virus in the blood - these tests would just show that there are antibodies against the HIV virus. Once you were infected with the virus but you bring your virus load down to undetectable you will still have HIV antibodies...

Other blood tests might take much longer.

This is not directed at you but to the guy you quoted and answered (TallForigner) who is blind to the fact,along with many others, you all saw it on the Media, the red's giving blood for the Media Camera's, how many people do you think really gave blood to get ALL those 25Litre plastic bottles of" HUMAN" ? Blood. They even said that Animals blood ( pigs and Cows ) was found to be present.

The whole exercise at convincing all the people that it was Human Blood was nothing more than a mindless exercise in the minds of the Educated, but in the minds of the poorly or non educated, they have to believe because they don't know anything about the dangers involved in messing with Blood.

I feel Sympathy for the Red shirt brigade followers, for they know not what they do and what's happening to their farm lands while they are so far away from home ??????