Sweden Says It Did Not Ask Thaksin To Leave

[TheOldWolf]

Sweden is like Switzerland. They like neutrality. They have no backbone. Look how they cooperated with the Nazis and you get the picture.

I don´t think this is the forum to discuss what Sweden did or did´t do under WW2

[Thai at Heart]

With regards you assertion above that the courts were appointed under military rule can you be a little more specific as to the details?

One of the first things that the junta had to do was dissolve the Constitutional Court.

How can the junta or its agents assign judges and assert that the judiciary will be

independent at the same time? A cornerstone of any independent judiciary is the

guarantee that the executive cannot appoint, dismiss or transfer judges. The capacity of

courts to reach reasoned and legally-balanced decisions depends upon this separation of

power. Where the executive removes and replaces judges, it has defeated the notion of an

independent judiciary. That is why the 1997 Constitution of Thailand stipulated that

Constitutional Court judges be nominated by an expert committee, chosen through secret

ballot by the senate and approved by the king before they could take their seats. Army

officers were not to be involve

http://thailand.ahrchk.net/docs/AHRC_Thailand_Coup_2006.pdf

By 00:39 a third statement suspended the constitution and dissolved the Cabinet, both houses of Parliament, and the Constitutional Court.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Thai_coup_d'%C3%A9tat

So no courts were dissolved or appointed under the coup?

http://www.ahrchk.net/statements/mainfile....statements/761/

This story is relevant to Thailand today. The military generals who took control of the country on September 19 seem to have the same misunderstanding about the nature of justice and the meaning of judicial "independence". They too appear to think that having abolished the constitution and disbanded one of the country's three highest courts, ordering the establishment and composition of a new tribunal in its stead, judges can be made independent by virtue of saying that it is so.

I am not apologizing for Thaksin, I was simply stating the fact that were he to claim asylum on the basis of a biased judiciary, he would probably tie the whole system in knots until we are all long gone.

If none were appointed, I apologise for that misrepresentation, but as one can see the coup did instantly enable the abolition of at least one court.

Edited April 2, 2010 by Thai at Heart

[mca]

My guess is that Sweden would like this to be the non-issue it really is.

Yeah.

" Boss. The FM from Thailand is on the phone wants a quick word. "

" Where? Taiwan? What do they want? The Chinkies invading or something? "

" Something about some chap called Sinatra or Cleopatra, who's in our country and they don't like it. Apparently he's the ex PM who's on the lam from a prison sentence. "

" Ah... I remember something about that on the news. Right after that report about the dog that can ride a skateboard. OK. I'll have a look when I've finished this sandwich...."

[Jingthing]

Sweden is like Switzerland. They like neutrality. They have no backbone. Look how they cooperated with the Nazis and you get the picture.

I don´t think this is the forum to discuss what Sweden did or did´t do under WW2

Why not? It shows a pattern. A non-wishy washy country would have arrested Thaksin and sent him back to Thailand or at the very least deny entry to a wanted criminal fugitive. Do you think Thaksin would dare to fly into the USA with his ticky tacky passports?

Edited April 2, 2010 by Jingthing

[monkfish]

Any country who supports Thaksin in anyway becomes the enemy and gets bashed.

What about the Americans they did finally join in after Perl Habour incident didn't they.

Edited April 2, 2010 by monkfish

[mca]

Why not? It shows a pattern. A non-wishy washy country would have arrested Thaksin and sent him back to Thailand or at the very least deny entry to a wanted criminal fugitive. Do you think Thaksin would dare to fly into the USA with his ticky tacky passports?

Thank's to JT our SE Asia correspondent for that update. And now bicky backy to the studio.

[Jingthing]

Why not? It shows a pattern. A non-wishy washy country would have arrested Thaksin and sent him back to Thailand or at the very least deny entry to a wanted criminal fugitive. Do you think Thaksin would dare to fly into the USA with his ticky tacky passports?

Thank's to JT our SE Asia correspondent for that update. And now bicky backy to the studio.

You're welcome, micah, I found your post hunky dory.

[tonywebster]

So up to now nobody has respected the Thai FM when they have asked that Thaksin be asked to leave a country, Sweden, Dubai, Cambodia, Montenegro.

Er....UK?? but then the UK always makes more effort for other countries than it does for its own citizens.

Don't edit my posts please, it is against forum rules, please quote the full post, thanks.

Thanks for the advice. The rule says:

30) Do not modify someone else's post in your quoted reply, either with font or color changes, added emoticons, or altered wording.

Can you explain in what way I modified your words? or even modified the meaning of your words?

By not quoting the full post you have modified it, simple as. Do you need help with the meaning of 'modernise'?

You have altered it, therefore you have modernised it. Just quote the full post, there's a good boy.

Edited April 2, 2010 by tonywebster

[Jingthing]

Again, snippets are OK. Snippet are good. Next ...

[tonywebster]

It is 100 percent OK with use SNIPPETS of other people's posts! In fact, it is desirable, to cut down the length of posts.

But you should point out that it has been snipped, and only snip irrelevant sections.

Thankyou, at least point out it has been snipped so others can go back and read the full post. It is not up to the quoter to decide what is relevant and what isn't.

[Chaimai]

. Snippet are good. Next ...

It also saves having 2 posts per page

[tonywebster]

Again, snippets are OK. Snippet are good. Next ...

When I see 'moderator' next your name I will listen to your advice about forum rules and etiquette, until then you are a mere poster with no say on what is acceptable and what is not. Thanks

[tonywebster]

Sweden is like Switzerland. They like neutrality. They have no backbone. Look how they cooperated with the Nazis and you get the picture.

this is a contradiction, if they like neutrality why would they cooperate with the Nazis? Surely that is not neutral.

[britadders28]

We'll see where his next call in come from.

Maybe they have asked him to shut up, but the endless "Thaksin has been banned from Dubai" stories emanating from the THAI side are pathetic. If that is the case why doesn't he do a Radio Caroline and drive a boat out into the water off the coast of Dubai?

It makes the Foreign Ministry look extremely stupid.

Does it makes the Foreign Ministry look extremely stupid? No.

It only make the Swedish look extremely stupid for protecting a known criminal.

DON'T GET ME STARTED ON THE FINNISH, and LM.

To answer your question, yes it makes the foreign ministry look stupid. A little research before laying down the law to other countries should be done, if this had happened then the FM would not have egg on its face AGAIN. The sooner that Thailand realizes it's place in the pecking order and lack of importance to other countries the better for Thailand, they are not in the position to lay down laws or ultimatums to ANY country as any sanctions enforced by Thailand against another would not even be noticed.

Sweden are following their laws and the laws of the EU, and as they say of the request was made in writing it could have been discussed, but Somchai telephoning them and whining down the phone about the Satan aka Thaksin would have just been laughed off by the Swedes, and rightly so.

Who was it let thaksin leave thailand to go to the china olympics???????

stop fuc_king blaming other countries, first uk, then dubai, cambodia, sweden, where does it end, if thailand really wanted thaksin back he would be by now. You are a bunch of fools thai government

[TheOldWolf]

Sweden is like Switzerland. They like neutrality. They have no backbone. Look how they cooperated with the Nazis and you get the picture.

I don´t think this is the forum to discuss what Sweden did or did´t do under WW2

Why not? It shows a pattern. A non-wishy washy country would have arrested Thaksin and sent him back to Thailand or at the very least deny entry to a wanted criminal fugitive. Do you think Thaksin would dare to fly into the USA with his ticky tacky passports?

What pattern? Example! Thaksin come to sweden with a passport from Montenegro. He is not wanted by Interpool. So they can´t deny entry. But he was very quick to leave Sweden. I think lot can be done behind the curtain.

[britadders28]

So up to now nobody has respected the Thai FM when they have asked that Thaksin be asked to leave a country, Sweden, Dubai, Cambodia, Montenegro.

Er....UK?? but then the UK always makes more effort for other countries than it does for its own citizens.

Don't edit my posts please, it is against forum rules, please quote the full post, thanks.

That said yes the UK does make more effort for other countries. The UK revoked his visa but not at the request of Thailand. I am sure if he had bothered to fight it as a political charge he would have stayed in the UK, such as Pinochet did.

I think it was more to do with the FA than the uk government, he was a football fans joke over here, trying to tell mark hughes about football, The FA wanted to look into if he was fit and proper to own a uk football team. As far as i know thailand made no request for us to kick him out

[britadders28]

That wasn't terrorism.

Maybe you should look up the meaning of terrorism, it is in any other country in the world so i'm afraid that included thailand, thai law is nothing in the air, they should all be locked up end of

[britadders28]

Sweden is like Switzerland. They like neutrality. They have no backbone. Look how they cooperated with the Nazis and you get the picture.

Yes and look how thailand cooperated with the japanese in WWII and the yanks during vietnam war, you are obviously thai or old farang with young thai girl, maybe you need to learn about your own country

[Credo]

Sweden is like Switzerland. They like neutrality. They have no backbone. Look how they cooperated with the Nazis and you get the picture.

That is really a rich statement.  On the scale of lack of backbone and cooperating with the enemy (in their case the Japanese), Thailand could hold an Olympic medal.  

The FM is appearing very, very foolish and inept.  They say he's one place, and he's not.  They say he has been kicked out of countries, but he hasn't.  

[JacknDanny]

Sweden is like Switzerland. They like neutrality. They have no backbone. Look how they cooperated with the Nazis and you get the picture.

Yes and look how thailand cooperated with the japanese in WWII and the yanks during vietnam war, you are obviously thai or old farang with young thai girl, maybe you need to learn about your own country

What are you going on about??

I think its you who needs to look up your history, and stop comparing oranges with apples

Also I think you will find Jingthing is 'on the other bus'........... so again your above comment is inaccurate!!

[stingray]

Well done Sweden, show the thais what it is like to live in the real world and not cloud cuckoo land, it always males me laugh when the Thais law down the law to other countries.

Do i sitting in the wrong Movieteather?

The Swedisch Youtube shows a Muppetshow, how to make a cake????? i don't understand swedisch.

[traderjm]

Thankyou, at least point out it has been snipped so others can go back and read the full post. It is not up to the quoter to decide what is relevant and what isn't.

Ok I am pretty new here and somewhat confused by this back and forth. Are you (or TV) saying that if someone like YOU posts a 9 paragraph reply and I only have interest in replying to you in regards to the point of ONE of those paragraphs, I should be quoting the entire POST all 9 paragraphs? Seems a very odd rule if it is in fact a rule.

What would be the point of that? After a couple of back and forths if everybody did this each post would be dozens and dozens of paragraphs of basically filler that was not being discussed.

Would love to hear a MOD step in here and clear this one up.

[khunjamespittman]

Well done Sweden, show the thais what it is like to live in the real world and not cloud cuckoo land, it always males me laugh when the Thais law down the law to other countries.

Absolutely, a very precisely written statement stating clearly what the law is and isn't in Sweden. Obviously the pooyais in Sweden don't have to appear to know everything, they use the law instead.

I agree. Thanks Sweden for speaking out when false statements are made about you. Anyone reading TV would think that tens of formal requests have made been made to countries to expell or capture Thaksin. There have been no credible evidence of formal government requests and only a very small number of confrimations ( I believe the UK did announce an expulsion) but it was connection to a formal request from any other government.

Here on TV we have seen numerous reports of actions taken against Thaksin by other governments but no credible acknowledgements by those countries. Now we have Sweden flat out denying any actions against Thaksin.

Now it is time for all the TV posters who pepetuated these lies to apoligize. You owe everyone reading TV an apology for spreading these rumors. Please let's get TV back to factual information and stop the propoganda campaigns, name calling and insults.

Thanks again Sweden for trying to stop these false rumor campaigns.

[Polemi]

Sweden is like Switzerland. They like neutrality. They have no backbone. Look how they cooperated with the Nazis and you get the picture.

I don´t think this is the forum to discuss what Sweden did or did´t do under WW2

Why not? It shows a pattern. A non-wishy washy country would have arrested Thaksin and sent him back to Thailand or at the very least deny entry to a wanted criminal fugitive. Do you think Thaksin would dare to fly into the USA with his ticky tacky passports?

What pattern? Example! Thaksin come to sweden with a passport from Montenegro. He is not wanted by Interpool. So they can´t deny entry. But he was very quick to leave Sweden. I think lot can be done behind the curtain.

Being Swedish (Sweden with one e by the way...) I have to agree that they were way out of order during WW2. Norway still holds that against us you know. That is not to say that the politics of Sweden is the same today!!! Maybe something was done behind the curtain but the official statement from Sweden was according to EU and Swedish law. Well done Sweden.

By the way lutfisk is lovely.

[gemini81]

It is not unusual for a government to go after a criminal. Can't fault the Thai government to go after Thaksin anywhere he is. Especially when e has no regard in the sovereign of a country and the rule of country

thailand is his country of citizenship, and for the charges against him, of course thailand makes requests to keep him out of countries they have good relationships with. As for developed countries, this guy's nomadic travels would've been stopped before he even had a chance to run away.

[anotherpeter]

I agree. Thanks Sweden for speaking out when false statements are made about you. Anyone reading TV would think that tens of formal requests have made been made to countries to expell or capture Thaksin. There have been no credible evidence of formal government requests and only a very small number of confrimations ( I believe the UK did announce an expulsion) but it was connection to a formal request from any other government.

Here on TV we have seen numerous reports of actions taken against Thaksin by other governments but no credible acknowledgements by those countries. Now we have Sweden flat out denying any actions against Thaksin.

Now it is time for all the TV posters who pepetuated these lies to apoligize. You owe everyone reading TV an apology for spreading these rumors. Please let's get TV back to factual information and stop the propoganda campaigns, name calling and insults.

Thanks again Sweden for trying to stop these false rumor campaigns.

One thing that is interesting is how little the reds hear from Thaksin when he is (supposedly) in Dubai. He timed his last call in when he was out of that country (and in Sweden apparently), but since he has been back in Dubai, nothing from him.

Jatuporn indicated that he had the sore throat again (funny how it always hits him in Dubai), but Thaksin had 'tweeted' that he was feeling just fine. A bit of mis-communication there.

[connel707]

So up to now nobody has respected the Thai FM when they have asked that Thaksin be asked to leave a country, Sweden, Dubai, Cambodia, Montenegro.

the truth guys this is all propaganda from the Thai FM for the Thai press and the gullible Thai people. The truth is the current unelected government does not want Thaksin back on Thai soil, the minute he is back here their goose is cooked and they know that. All they are doing at the moment is playing for time until he does come back at the request of the next elected Thai government.

Words of wisdom from an Ex UK Bobbie...... legally elected government please... Pass another Chang...

[anotherpeter]

So up to now nobody has respected the Thai FM when they have asked that Thaksin be asked to leave a country, Sweden, Dubai, Cambodia, Montenegro.

the truth guys this is all propaganda from the Thai FM for the Thai press and the gullible Thai people. The truth is the current unelected government does not want Thaksin back on Thai soil, the minute he is back here their goose is cooked and they know that. All they are doing at the moment is playing for time until he does come back at the request of the next elected Thai government.

Words of wisdom from an Ex UK Bobbie...... legally elected government please... Pass another Chang...

Got one.

[connel707]

So up to now nobody has respected the Thai FM when they have asked that Thaksin be asked to leave a country, Sweden, Dubai, Cambodia, Montenegro.

the truth guys this is all propaganda from the Thai FM for the Thai press and the gullible Thai people. The truth is the current unelected government does not want Thaksin back on Thai soil, the minute he is back here their goose is cooked and they know that. All they are doing at the moment is playing for time until he does come back at the request of the next elected Thai government.

Besides the current government being elected and your assumption that the reds would win the next election, I agree.

The reds are protesting and want a government dissolution now so that Thaksin still has enough money to buy the next election and so that the new Thaksin government can put his lackies in control of the army in the upcoming reshuffle.

All Thai governments need the support of the army. Abhisit has the support of the army now and Thaksin would have the support of the army once he gets his people in at the top. No difference there really, except for the fact that Thaksin is a convicted criminal and performed huge levels of corruption while he was PM.

I will not question that he dabbled in corruption Peter, I do question however that the current government is elected, well they are not elected by the people as in a democracy, they were elected by parliament after buying coalition parties in order that they have enough seats to form a government. This is where we differ, I believe a democratic government should be elected by the people and by the people alone, or you don't have an elected government, when the previous government was disbanded the vote should have been given back to the people and not chosen (after buying coalitions) by the courts, especially after the same court disbanded one party for vote buying while allowing another to become the government despite them also being found guilty of vote buying (people will prattle on about the executive arm etc, but vote buying is vote buying). I am also 100% certain that the reds in any guise will win the next election, The army and Abhisit know this also or they would be running to the polls now to have 4 more years rather than the 18 odd months they have left. It is a sad indictment on Thailand that the only way this party could into power was via the army and the courts and not because of a public vote, dont forget they have not won the last 3 elections so they were placed into power, now forgive me if I am wrong but that is not democracy.

i disagree that they want the election now before Thaksin runs out of money, thaksin is still a billionaire mate, in USD, not just in baht, so i don't think money is a major issue for them. The issue is that in 9 months time the current government will have pushed through 3 charter amendments which the reds want to stop, not for Thaksin, but for Thailand. they need to now to not focus on Thaksin and make their voices heard on the actual issues. We already know about the double standards and to continuing to harp on about them is pointless. they simply need to focus on getting a new election because that is what is best for Thailand. Do you consider a military government good for Thailand? because that is what we have now.

To think all this has come about because of the egos of two men, Thaksin and Sondhi, unbelievable

Don`t forget your own , Bobby..... Pass another Chang.. PS, did they let you keep the helmet.?

[connel707]

I will not question that he dabbled in corruption Peter, I do question however that the current government is elected, well they are not elected by the people as in a democracy, they were elected by parliament after buying coalition parties in order that they have enough seats to form a government. This is where we differ, I believe a democratic government should be elected by the people and by the people alone, or you don't have an elected government, when the previous government was disbanded the vote should have been given back to the people and not chosen (after buying coalitions) by the courts, especially after the same court disbanded one party for vote buying while allowing another to become the government despite them also being found guilty of vote buying (people will prattle on about the executive arm etc, but vote buying is vote buying). I am also 100% certain that the reds in any guise will win the next election, The army and Abhisit know this also or they would be running to the polls now to have 4 more years rather than the 18 odd months they have left. It is a sad indictment on Thailand that the only way this party could into power was via the army and the courts and not because of a public vote, dont forget they have not won the last 3 elections so they were placed into power, now forgive me if I am wrong but that is not democracy.

i disagree that they want the election now before Thaksin runs out of money, thaksin is still a billionaire mate, in USD, not just in baht, so i don't think money is a major issue for them. The issue is that in 9 months time the current government will have pushed through 3 charter amendments which the reds want to stop, not for Thaksin, but for Thailand. they need to now to not focus on Thaksin and make their voices heard on the actual issues. We already know about the double standards and to continuing to harp on about them is pointless. they simply need to focus on getting a new election because that is what is best for Thailand. Do you consider a military government good for Thailand? because that is what we have now.

To think all this has come about because of the egos of two men, Thaksin and Sondhi, unbelievable

"Dabbled" in corruption? You've got to be kidding!!! The things he did WHILE he was PM that directly benefitted HIS company wasn't just dabbling.

The government wasn't disbanded. The party was. The PM was banned because he was part of the executive of the party, and they were caught red handed being involved in electoral fraud. They were the laws before the election. The law was clear. All the courts did was enforce the law. If the executive are involved, the party gets disbanded (not all the MPs get banned). If non-exectives are involved, they get banned individually. They PPP still broke the laws knowing they existed. The court didn't disband the government.

Even after the PPP was disbanded, an ex-PPP MP was the care-taker PM and the PTP could have still formed a government.

The fact that the smaller parties decided to no longer support the PTP may have been for many reasons, but it could have been because they thought that a Democrat government was better for the country and better for them. You can't really bring "being paid" to support them into the argument, because the Thaksin parties were pretty good at this.

OK. Maybe Thaksin's money will not run out so quick. He could probably still buy the election in 9 months too. But, besides that, the PPP didn't get a majority in the last election. I doubt they (PTP) would get a majority in the next election. I doubt the smaller parties will support them in the next election.

Abhisit is including everyone in the discussions for the charter amendments and then putting it to a referendum for the people to accept. The reds don't want the Democrat amendments, because it means there is less chance of getting Thaksin his money back.

I agree that the reds should not focus on Thaksin, but the problem is that they have to. They need Thaksin for his support. They need Thaksin because (some of) the poor farmers love (have been fooled by) him because he gave them so much (of other peoples) money.

And that's what it comes back to. It's all about Thaksin. It's all about Thaksin's money.

You took the words out of my mouth Peter..... Well stated... Pass another Chang.