Abhisit Govt Needs To Be Extremely Careful

[mca]

If this mob forces it's will, then next year another will do the same in inverse.

And this will end in larger bloodshed then or at some later date.

This is it for me. The whole bleeding mess. I can't see an end to the cycle.

We can dislike Abhisit. We can dislike Thaksin. It doesn't matter. No frigging end.

[chantorn]

If this mob forces it's will, then next year another will do the same in inverse.

And this will end in larger bloodshed then or at some later date.

This is it for me. The whole bleeding mess. I can't see an end to the cycle.

We can dislike Abhisit. We can dislike Thaksin. It doesn't matter. No frigging end.

You may dislike Abishit, but I love Mark. He is very handsome. Most handsome in Thailand.

[ianf]

"The red shirts have crossed the line, that is clear"

Have they? The Govt. sitting on its' arrogant and unreasoble nine-month pedestal, and the Red Shirts have crossed the line....I dont think so!

"Confrontation can never solve this kind of problem"

That is correct. This genie is out of the bottle. No amount of Amataya wielding of its' power that is institution based, and not people based, will solve this problem. The days of Amataya being able to exert its' will irrespective of an electoral reality are over. There is a better way to protect their interests than trying to bulldoze the elctoral majority. They should cut their losses while they can.

".....the government has been badly provoked, as any neutral eye can see"

The arrogant adherence to a ridiculous nine-month house dissolution timeline is the provocation. Any neutral eye can see that.

"....growing frustration among a large section of Bangkokians seemed to give the government extra motivation to get tougher"

At least there is some recognition here about the limited so-called frustration by Bangkokians. The frustration by both the minority Amataya and majority Democracy advocates is definitely an issue. Using coercion to satisfy the minority is a losing gambit.

"....the government had tried its best to end the crisis peacefully"

'O yeah.......arrogant and inflexible adherence to a self-serving nine-month timeline is '..trying its' best"

"...peace is the absolute thing his premiership requires"

This is correct. But he is hamstrung by others, who prevent him from doing what is necessary to acquire this peace.

Unbelievable. Do you actually understand what this is really about?

[hammered]

The State of Emergency and the shut down of Red TV discard his credibilty.

Do you support the playing of a doctored tape with Abhisit's voice calling for violence to protesters being played on stage and broadcast nationwide?

Do you support the call for guerrilla warfare to be played onstage and broadcast nationwide?

Do you support the issuance of death threats to be played onstage and broadcast nationwide?

If the redshirts were not lying on stage their signal would not have been cut. It's pretty straightforward. It is the redshirt leaders whose credibility has been damaged because they will use all means to achieve their ends even if it results in the deaths of their followers.

If you read my posts you will see that I try to be positive and try to support a third way: because the conflict will have to end through a discussion involving all parties. Next week four former PMs, all experienced, with different sensitivity but wise men, will meet and I expect as many others, that this Group of ex PM will make a proposal for getting out from this mess.

Already we can detect some trends: Yes, there will be some elections, yes there must be some discussions on the Charter and yes some immediate social measures have to be implemented.

Abhisit balance is not negative: he is smart, look like an honest guy (However he has been obliged to "cover' some guys in his government not so honest).

Some good decisions for the poors are on the way, but not enough, insufficient to cool the situation and obviously too late to be listened to due to situation evolution (too late, insuficient)

As PM, he has not succeeded to control his coalition and get the authority to implement what he want to do: this is something that is suggested by some of his supporters. So.... in summary: In the good direction but Insufficient

IMHO,

If we anticipate what will happen: at the end, one Government will have to organise the transition towards the General Elections. By implementing the State of Emergency, by shutting down the Red TV, Abhisit is loosing ground in the possibility to lead the transition: he has to be replaced because he is too much marked as a leader of a party, from now he cannot pretend to be the head of a Government of Unity....This is the Conclusion which will become more and more obvious.

It is even the interest of Abhisit to step down as soon as possible, being involved to a minimum in the coming events in order to be in the best position during the next election campaign which is unavoidable now in few months.

Both sides may well have to sacrifice some pieces as well as pawns in this little game

Agree with a lot you say

[way2muchcoffee]

The State of Emergency and the shut down of Red TV discard his credibilty.

Do you support the playing of a doctored tape with Abhisit's voice calling for violence to protesters being played on stage and broadcast nationwide?

Do you support the call for guerrilla warfare to be played onstage and broadcast nationwide?

Do you support the issuance of death threats to be played onstage and broadcast nationwide?

If the redshirts were not lying on stage their signal would not have been cut. It's pretty straightforward. It is the redshirt leaders whose credibility has been damaged because they will use all means to achieve their ends even if it results in the deaths of their followers.

If you read my posts you will see that I try to be positive and try to support a third way: because the conflict will have to end through a discussion involving all parties. Next week four former PMs, all experienced, with different sensitivity but wise men, will meet and I expect as many others, that this Group of ex PM will make a proposal for getting out from this mess.

Already we can detect some trends: Yes, there will be some elections, yes there must be some discussions on the Charter and yes some immediate social measures have to be implemented.

Abhisit balance is not negative: he is smart, look like an honest guy (However he has been obliged to "cover' some guys in his government not so honest).

Some good decisions for the poors are on the way, but not enough, insufficient to cool the situation and obviously too late to be listened to due to situation evolution (too late, insuficient)

As PM, he has not succeeded to control his coalition and get the authority to implement what he want to do: this is something that is suggested by some of his supporters. So.... in summary: In the good direction but Insufficient

IMHO,

If we anticipate what will happen: at the end, one Government will have to organise the transition towards the General Elections. By implementing the State of Emergency, by shutting down the Red TV, Abhisit is loosing ground in the possibility to lead the transition: he has to be replaced because he is too much marked as a leader of a party, from now he cannot pretend to be the head of a Government of Unity....This is the Conclusion which will become more and more obvious.

It is even the interest of Abhisit to step down as soon as possible, being involved to a minimum in the coming events in order to be in the best position during the next election campaign which is unavoidable now in few months.

So you're saying that Abhisit, arguably the most honorable man in this whole mess, needs to fall on his sword for the sake of the nation?

I've considered that. He might just be strong and principled enough to make that decision. It may well come to that.

Of course it should be noted that the red leaders are criminals. The behavior they have engaged in and the statements they publicly made would land them serious charges in any of our home countries. It is a shame that a man of the caliber of Abhisit should have to be sacrificed for the likes of Jatuporn or Thaksin.

Edited April 8, 2010 by way2muchcoffee

[CLOD]

I don't think anybody needs to be sacrificed.

All that is needed is for elections to be held and see who the people want, not who the military elite want.

Afterall thats what democracy is all about , isn't it?

[Jerrytheyoung]

During the transition period to Elections, the Government will be a CARETAKER government with important constraints (as caretaker): cannot implement a new policy plus the wear of Power small interest to be a Caretaker PM in those imposed conditions... technically, better Abhisit prepares the next round...

Edited April 8, 2010 by Jerrytheyoung

[way2muchcoffee]

I don't think anybody needs to be sacrificed.

All that is needed is for elections to be held and see who the people want, not who the military elite want.

Afterall thats what democracy is all about , isn't it?

If Abhisit capitulates without winning significant concessions from redshirt leaders then his career in politics is over. Moreover his party will suffer tremendously. I'm sure his colleagues and coalition partners will be very displeased. His coalition does represent the majority of the people of Thailand.

Further, the elections would be a sham falling directly on the heels of these demonstrations. This would give rise to further protests.

A compromise needs to be worked out. Face needs to be preserved. The reds can't go back empty-handed, but neither can the Democrats and the coalition partners.

It really is up the the redshirts to make the next move. They can continue to push the 15 days or they can work out a deal. They left the negotiating table without bothering to negotiate. They need to return.

Edited April 8, 2010 by way2muchcoffee

[Sunderland]

Mark must stand firm with pad Thai in his hand.

This is no time to think about food!

[seanocasey]

To who? The red shirts? Who cares?

pray that Thailand finds peace.

[WinnieTheKhwai]

No dissolution.

Democrats dissolved.

Power vaccum or by-elections all over the country.

More protests, more dancing and karaoke.

Sweaty shirts out in protest against the smelly shirts.

Welcome to amazing Thailand ...

It doesn't even take that much, and he courts will never rule against the Democrat party. I still think other parties/factions in the coalition will defect back to where they came from, thus ending the government. They're just waiting for the right moment.

[Thai at Heart]

No dissolution.

Democrats dissolved.

Power vaccum or by-elections all over the country.

More protests, more dancing and karaoke.

Sweaty shirts out in protest against the smelly shirts.

Welcome to amazing Thailand ...

It doesn't even take that much, and he courts will never rule against the Democrat party. I still think other parties/factions in the coalition will defect back to where they came from, thus ending the government. They're just waiting for the right moment.

You reckon they will go back???????

Only in Thailand I guess.

[TheItaliann]

I hope they close down Siam BTS and that there is a full out war. I got some popcorn ready!!!

[BigC]

looks like if PM has no control martial law will take over then it is a free for all

[shawndoc]

I hope they close down Siam BTS and that there is a full out war. I got some popcorn ready!!!

God I hope this was a failed attempt at humor. What a horrible wish.

[bulmercke]

I hope they close down Siam BTS and that there is a full out war. I got some popcorn ready!!!

God I hope this was a failed attempt at humor. What a horrible wish.

I doubt it.

Reinforces my belief that all new TV members should be IQ tested at registration.

[bulmercke]

looks like if PM has no control martial law will take over then it is a free for all

Sorry to say this - but today will be a fiasco for the government. The Red-Shirts will - in general - out manouevre the police and military.

But having said this - I kind of feel sorry for Abhisit.

[monkfish]

If this mob forces it's will, then next year another will do the same in inverse.

And this will end in larger bloodshed then or at some later date.

This is it for me. The whole bleeding mess. I can't see an end to the cycle.

We can dislike Abhisit. We can dislike Thaksin. It doesn't matter. No frigging end.

You may dislike Abishit, but I love Mark. He is very handsome. Most handsome in Thailand.

Please stay on Topic!

who is Mark?

Is he German?

[yoshiwara]

I don't think anybody needs to be sacrificed.

All that is needed is for elections to be held and see who the people want, not who the military elite want.

Afterall thats what democracy is all about , isn't it?

Usual dishonest contribution.

Elections are not the issue.

The issue is that the Thaksin forces want a number of things:

First of all they want to force an election with a green light on electoral corruption which would be applied whenever the election runs.

Secondly, they would not under any circumstances accept a result that went against them.

After all, as far as they would be concerned, if their corruption could not buy the election, then the other side must be cheating. (ah, the logic)

Thirdly. an election now is only for the purpose of capturing the high army command positions.

Let me put this as clearly as I can:

Thaksin wants an army command de facto reporting to him. His elite, his mafia.

By putting in his relatives, cronies, he can effect this.

The timing of the high command appointments this year is the only reason for the red frenzy directed by Thaksin.

The Thaksin apologists always diverge from the actual power play in motion.

Nothing more to expect from hacks.

[geriatrickid]

I hope they close down Siam BTS and that there is a full out war. I got some popcorn ready!!!

God I hope this was a failed attempt at humor. What a horrible wish.

I doubt it.

Reinforces my belief that all new TV members should be IQ tested at registration.

But that is the view of many of the "anti" red shirts. He probably thought Mussolini's slaughter of the Ethiopians was an example of Italian military might.

[animatic]

I hope they close down Siam BTS and that there is a full out war. I got some popcorn ready!!!

God I hope this was a failed attempt at humor. What a horrible wish.

I doubt it.

Reinforces my belief that all new TV members should be IQ tested at registration.

Ditto.

Though that would be elitist.

Only posting by people who can think... drastic!

[animatic]

I hope they close down Siam BTS and that there is a full out war. I got some popcorn ready!!!

God I hope this was a failed attempt at humor. What a horrible wish.

I doubt it.

Reinforces my belief that all new TV members should be IQ tested at registration.

But that is the view of many of the "anti" red shirts. He probably thought Mussolini's slaughter of the Ethiopians was an example of Italian military might.

"I hope they close down Siam BTS and that there is a full out war."

"But that is the view of many of the "anti" red shirts."

Patently untrue and a flame or worse against anyone advocating law and order be restored.

[rogerdee123]

"I hope they close down Siam BTS and that there is a full out war."

"But that is the view of many of the "anti" red shirts."

Patently untrue and a flame or worse against anyone advocating law and order be restored.

Take a chill pill and don't let the trolls here wind you up.

[termad]

When a governement comes to power through undemocratic ways , military coup and judicial

coup there is a price to pay .

They should have thought about that before , now its too late .

The PPP came to power through their undemocratic vote buying. They paid their price.

Same old story. How many millions of votes would it take to buy an election? How would it have been possible to do it? Your talking nonsense again.

On the other hand how many MPs would need to be bought to install Abhisit as PM? Well about forty. How would you do it? Well you would send a Miltary go-between armed with a huge amount of money to talk to Newin Chidchob and make him an offer he couldn't refuse.

How will it end? In the biggest change ever to happen in Thailand with possibly a new peoples party representing the people not the rich or corrupt Political Parties.

(And with the number of outstanding corruption cases waiting to be brought against the Democrat Party members of that party including Abhisit could be in very serious trouble after the next election).

[termad]

The State of Emergency and the shut down of Red TV discard his credibilty.

Do you support the playing of a doctored tape with Abhisit's voice calling for violence to protesters being played on stage and broadcast nationwide?

Do you support the call for guerrilla warfare to be played onstage and broadcast nationwide?

Do you support the issuance of death threats to be played onstage and broadcast nationwide?

If the redshirts were not lying on stage their signal would not have been cut. It's pretty straightforward. It is the redshirt leaders whose credibility has been damaged because they will use all means to achieve their ends even if it results in the deaths of their followers.

If you read my posts you will see that I try to be positive and try to support a third way: because the conflict will have to end through a discussion involving all parties. Next week four former PMs, all experienced, with different sensitivity but wise men, will meet and I expect as many others, that this Group of ex PM will make a proposal for getting out from this mess.

Already we can detect some trends: Yes, there will be some elections, yes there must be some discussions on the Charter and yes some immediate social measures have to be implemented.

Abhisit balance is not negative: he is smart, look like an honest guy (However he has been obliged to "cover' some guys in his government not so honest).

Some good decisions for the poors are on the way, but not enough, insufficient to cool the situation and obviously too late to be listened to due to situation evolution (too late, insuficient)

As PM, he has not succeeded to control his coalition and get the authority to implement what he want to do: this is something that is suggested by some of his supporters. So.... in summary: In the good direction but Insufficient

IMHO,

If we anticipate what will happen: at the end, one Government will have to organise the transition towards the General Elections. By implementing the State of Emergency, by shutting down the Red TV, Abhisit is loosing ground in the possibility to lead the transition: he has to be replaced because he is too much marked as a leader of a party, from now he cannot pretend to be the head of a Government of Unity....This is the Conclusion which will become more and more obvious.

It is even the interest of Abhisit to step down as soon as possible, being involved to a minimum in the coming events in order to be in the best position during the next election campaign which is unavoidable now in few months.

The four former PMs have said that it will take about two months for them to come to any kind of decision which is no good. Also, as they are former Thai PMs they are exactly the kind of people that the people want to get rid of. What you fail to realise is that Thai Politics is never going to be the same after this display of people power.