What Do You Want Pm Abhisit To Do Now?

[anthonyr]

I had to rise to the bait after i saw some of the comments on this board and the fact the 60% have voted to disperse the protesters. What can i say, what a bunch of dual standard dead heads the 60% are.

I did not see any tanks or troops on the streets when the Yellow shirts over ran the airport,

so why should we see them now. Khun Abhisit seams like a nice fella but lets face it he was

not democratically elected was he. We have the same problem in the Uk with GB.

This fact seams to have been over looked by the 60%

[ChiangMaiFun]

I'm more - lets say NOT sympathizing with the yellow/elites cause then sympathizing the red/Thaksin movement cause. The only reason I see for a house dissolution is the complete lack of respect shown toward democratic principles during the last two years. The meddling of the courts, the double standards, the "free" press biased reporting. The self preserving backstab from Newin that created an imbalance that will not hold during the next election. There is enough reasons to hold early elections.

Then there is reasons to not dissolve the parliament. Like giving in to the Rule of Mob. There is enough support against the red shirts that we can very well see the exact same scenario after a new election. Dispersing the crowd and subsequent legal procedures against the red shirt leaders would in any civilized country set a precedence to future handling of demonstrations. Then again - this is Thailand. Double standards and all that. And it would certainly stink double standards if any red shirt leader where sentenced to anything before certain yellow shirt leaders get their overdue punishment for government house and airport occupation.

Maybe the best course of action for the current government would be to actually finalize the legal procedures against the yellowshirts. Then follow the 9-month plan, during which they do amend the constitution. Among the amends should be removal of the state appointed senators and removal of the immunity the coup generals gave themselfs. Then also making it harder to disband parties, while keeping a strong reaction against individual MPs that break the law.

Of course, there is the 200+ million baht case against the Democrats. That could very well be the same victory cue that the yellow shirts used as their excuse to end the rallies. However, who would really wager anything on the Democrats to be dissolved. The very same verdict might be the cue to a more violent red shirt movement. And given the circumstances, I would not blame them for reacting to double standards.

well reasoned actually... not sure about 9 months but laying out a road map including the constitutional changes would help a great deal - otherwise where to next? this needs to be done swiftly to avoid the inevitable

[webfact]

post containing flame deleted - pls read the rules!

[MellowYellow]

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Oh wait. NVM! You are the correct side of the argument.

[Mitker]

...the complete lack of respect shown toward democratic principles during the last two years. The meddling of the courts, the double standards, the "free" press biased reporting. The self preserving...

Your comment was about T's years, right? No prob, we corrected by ourselves

[anotherpeter]

I had to rise to the bait after i saw some of the comments on this board and the fact the 60% have voted to disperse the protesters. What can i say, what a bunch of dual standard dead heads the 60% are.

I did not see any tanks or troops on the streets when the Yellow shirts over ran the airport,

so why should we see them now. Khun Abhisit seams like a nice fella but lets face it he was

not democratically elected was he. We have the same problem in the Uk with GB.

This fact seams to have been over looked by the 60%

There plenty calling for tanks and troops to remove the yellows from the airport.

Isn't Abhisit a democratically elected MP? (I didn't say PM ... that's a later question)

Aren't all the MPs democratically elected?

Don't all the democratically elected MPs get to vote who is PM?

Didn't the majority of MPs elect Abhisit as PM?

Doesn't that make Abhisit the democratically elected PM?

If you answered No to any of those questions, please explain why it's No.

edit: doh ... this is a political post ... sorry.

Edited April 8, 2010 by anotherpeter

[animatic]

Well there were some whining that Jingthing's reference to a POLL was wrong and biased.

Here's their chance to VOTE ONCE, and we can see what TVF people think of the situation.

So far lets just say, it appears 'Statistically significant'.

haha - I have no doubt that more TV'ers are yellow than red - but not the amount that the All-Seeing Eye proclaimed! anyway let's keep a sense of humour in our debating

I didn't proclaim anything. Someone else did and many commented in it.

I did not a sttistical difference in this post that seems to, so far,

to back up that other posters claim.

[ThailanderPaul]

Looks like the number of Reds has really thinned out by the malls.

[ThailanderPaul]

I had to rise to the bait after i saw some of the comments on this board and the fact the 60% have voted to disperse the protesters. What can i say, what a bunch of dual standard dead heads the 60% are.

I did not see any tanks or troops on the streets when the Yellow shirts over ran the airport,

so why should we see them now. Khun Abhisit seams like a nice fella but lets face it he was

not democratically elected was he. We have the same problem in the Uk with GB.

This fact seams to have been over looked by the 60%

Or maybe the vast majority believed the Yellows should have been broken up too and don't believe the road to peace is continuing to make the same mistakes. And by the way, I am for being patient but believe people need to be held accountable for flagrantly breaking the law and willfully trying to hold parts of the city hostage.

You can not have a functioning society when there is no respect for the law and people feel it is okay to refuse the orders of police or that police should respond by saying kahp khoon kahp when people refuse to be arrested or obey the law.

Edited April 8, 2010 by ThailanderPaul

[RickBradford]

The longer political demonstrations are allowed to go on, the more likely they are to succeed in their aims.

[webfact]

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[MikeyIdea]

Is Nuke them and make a parking lot on their land what the TV users recommend? Westerners are agressive and confrontational, especially Americans, while Asians tend to be more tactical...

The PM should just ignore the whole thing and patiently wait for 6 months even, if he has to. Not because I like the taste of being intimidated to silence except behind an anonomous internet identity but because it is the only way that will not escalate violence.

The office at Central World! where I work is back to normal with the majority of the staff working the same way they always have. The sandwiches at Au Bon Pain tastes the same and their salad is fresh. What's the big deal? - If "addressing" the big deal is going to escalate the violence.

Just ignore the whole thing

Edit: corrected spelling mistake

Edited April 8, 2010 by MikeyIdea

[jackr]

I had to rise to the bait after i saw some of the comments on this board and the fact the 60% have voted to disperse the protesters. What can i say, what a bunch of dual standard dead heads the 60% are.

There plenty calling for tanks and troops to remove the yellows from the airport.

Beat me to it and how would poster know when only been here 5 minutes! Reds/Yellows/Blues, whatever, they all need to grow up a little bit and anyone, whatever their political persuasion, needs to be removed when making noise of this nature en-masse.

[Sigi]

As much as I’d like this Red Shirt mess in BKK comes to an end, I’m afraid dispersing the protesters could end up same as in Bishkek Kyrgyzstan.

Just watch the pictures you see currently on western TV channels.

Therefore I chose to vote "To be patient".

[dukkha]

I was thinking here in the safety of my Melbourne rented apartment, late of Sathorn, Bangkok, 3 years, Hua Hin 2 years, Chiangmai 4 years, about the leaders of the Red Shirts.

Would I be accurate in saying these leaders are not rural poor rice farmers from Roi Et, the home of my partner where I saw poverty in the true sense of the word, and whose inhabitants, including my partner, are supporters of the red shirts...I would imagine they are not looking for the next grain of rice, or pulling out Pak Bung Fai Daeng from a field or knocking orff the heads of a chook to supplement the meagre meal....these leaders would be computer savvy, gold plated I know not, driving cars, living in apartments not single rooms with several people...lets not go so far as to say well heeled, but my impression from what I am reading on this thread concerning the red shirt leaders is they are not doing it too tough but present as the vox populi paupertas.....how genuine? how compassionate towards the nations real rural poor, think they might have a few nests of their own they are feathering, and of course the elite, well we know without the rural poor and the burmese their lives would be radically different.....there seems to be a disconnect for me twixt the Thai Rouge and Thai Poor....then there is Pol Toxin....and I dont mean Pol Captain....ok enuff from me....

[ThailanderPaul]

Is Nuke them and make a parking lot on their land what the TV users recommend? Westerners are agressive and confrontational, especially Americans, while Asians tend to be more tactical...

The PM should just ignore the whole thing and patiently wait for 6 months even, if he has to. Not because I like the taste of being intimidated to silence except behind an anonomous internet identity but because it is the only way that will not escalate violence.

The office at Central World! where I work is back to normal with the majority of the staff working the same way they always have. The sandwiches at Au Bon Pain tastes the same and their salad is fresh. What's the big deal? - If "addressing" the big deal is going to escalate the violence.

Just ignore the whole thing

Edit: corrected spelling mistake

This sounds like a rational approach but have we all not witnessed the Reds becoming bolder and bolder in their illegal acts and threats the longer the have been ignored?

I'm not saying you are wrong and it appears the number or Reds on the street are dwindling but they have also stepped up their rhetoric about what will take place tomorrow.

At what point does the government decide that the law needs to be upheld? Should forces move in now while their numbers are down or wait for more to join when they see, even under emergency orders, their are no consequences and their acts become even boulder?

I don't have the answers but I do know this is not the time for the government to appear weak. A show a force or sending troops in is not the only way to show strength but they cannot continue to send the message that these kind of actions are okay be it by any group, party or color.

Lots of corrupt leaders in the past but this adminstration made it clear that this will not go on unpunished and why, they say, they went after Thaksin. If true, then they need to send the same message that mob rule and coups are not going to be the standard operating procedure in Thailand anymore either.

Edited April 8, 2010 by ThailanderPaul

[Aussietraveller]

Easy Solution is a s follows:

Ban sales of ALL Alcohol in Bangkok for 30 days.

Discount all alcohol sales in issan by 50%

Problem solved.

[LevelHead]

With the SOE in place, with the denial of elections, with an un-elected by the people government coalition in place, with the shutting down of all opposition media outlets now.....

Well, the next thing for Abhisit to do is to put on a Military Uniform and declare that the "Thai Junta" is now in complete control and any opposition will result in dissidents being sent to jail. Anyone with the name Su Kyi or Thaksin is under house arrest. Monks supporting the opposition will be shot, beaten or sent to jail too and that THailand and Burma are now on a level of "new understanding" and that a new capitol city will be made near to Hat Yai as the people down there understand things better about Yellow support.

Can we have that option added to the poll ?

[traderjm]

With the SOE in place, with the denial of elections, with an un-elected by the people government coalition in place, with the shutting down of all opposition media outlets now.....

Well, the next thing for Abhisit to do is to put on a Military Uniform and declare that the "Thai Junta" is now in complete control and any opposition will result in dissidents being sent to jail. Anyone with the name Su Kyi or Thaksin is under house arrest. Monks supporting the opposition will be shot, beaten or sent to jail too and that THailand and Burma are now on a level of "new understanding" and that a new capitol city will be made near to Hat Yai as the people down there understand things better about Yellow support.

Can we have that option added to the poll ?

It's awful early to be that drunk... slow down there champ there is a whole day to go still.

You really need to study up on Thailand's electoral process before you make anymore silly statements... oh hel_l why bother now just keep on doing what you do nobody is taking anything you vomit seriously anyway

[bkkjames]

Easy Solution is a s follows:

Ban sales of ALL Alcohol in Bangkok for 30 days.

Discount all alcohol sales in issan by 50%

Problem solved.

Sadly it will have little affect on White Liquor sales.

[brianb1944]

Well there were some whining that Jingthing's reference to a POLL was wrong and biased.

Here's their chance to VOTE ONCE, and we can see what TVF people think of the situation.

So far lets just say, it appears 'Statistically significant'.

Vote once? That's no fun. Well I for one am voting early and frequently as they say in the Democratic stronghold of Chicago, Obama's hometown.

So far it does appear that most of the Farangs on this board are liberal European socialist CS's. Pity that.

USA slander (libel) again, I have no doubt that you will utilise all of your many a/c to try to distort reality.

You do extrapolate the most extraordinary conclusions from very transparent posts.

[brianb1944]

This sounds like a rational approach but have we all not witnessed the Reds becoming bolder and bolder in their illegal acts and threats the longer the have been ignored?

I'm not saying you are wrong and it appears the number or Reds on the street are dwindling but they have also stepped up their rhetoric about what will take place tomorrow.

At what point does the government decide that the law needs to be upheld? Should forces move in now while their numbers are down or wait for more to join when they see, even under emergency orders, their are no consequences and their acts become even boulder?

I don't have the answers but I do know this is not the time for the government to appear weak. A show a force or sending troops in is not the only way to show strength but they cannot continue to send the message that these kind of actions are okay be it by any group, party or color.

Lots of corrupt leaders in the past but this adminstration made it clear that this will not go on unpunished and why, they say, they went after Thaksin. If true, then they need to send the same message that mob rule and coups are not going to be the standard operating procedure in Thailand anymore either.

What a well reasoned and thoughtful post, about what I have been thinking but my thoughts werent this coherent

[Fore Man]

The government MUST out an end to this public lawlessness...Thailand is inexorably sliding down the slippery slope to the abyss of anarchy. Already there is a sense of lawlessness throughout this country. Drive-by shootings are common here, such is the brazen lack of regard for human life. People feel free to operate motor vehicles as they wish--often driving dangerously and without respect for their fellow man. Nobody seems to believe the law is something to be obeyed...they make their own statutes to serve their selfish interests and get away with it constantly.

How to end this mess? As a former military operator and tactician, one plausible idea at this point is to take 'extreme measures' to eliminate key protagonists who are inciting regular people--who lack intellectual capacity-- to carry out acts of civil disobedience and suggesting sedition by setting fire to provincial courthouses. If 'extreme measures' means surgically taking out ringleaders with long range rifle fire, then that is one solution available. It is also very public. You must then provide a means for the main body to leave Bangkok without fear of being shot at or incarcerated. Canalize them using water cannons, acoustic devices and accompanying loudspeaker instructions along an egress route with buses and other forms of mass transport at assembly areas, preventing the flow of thugs into side streets to cause additional mayhem. Then move the group en masse to temporary cantonement areas outside of the city where they can be fed and sheltered until arrangements are made to send them up-country. This can be done with precision and compassion and not further fan the flames. Once the head of the snake is severed, the body is controllable and the mass hysteria will ebb. There are sizeable armed forces here that are equipped and trained to perform these tasks easily. The real issue is motivating and commanding them to do their duty and to do it successfully (minimal bloodshed but GET IT DONE).

Endeth the sermon.

Edited April 8, 2010 by Fore Man

[anotherpeter]

With the SOE in place, with the denial of elections, with an un-elected by the people government coalition in place, with the shutting down of all opposition media outlets now.....

See post #96 ... Can you tell me which question has a No answer that makes this government unelected?

Well, the next thing for Abhisit to do is to put on a Military Uniform and declare that the "Thai Junta" is now in complete control and any opposition will result in dissidents being sent to jail. Anyone with the name Su Kyi or Thaksin is under house arrest. Monks supporting the opposition will be shot, beaten or sent to jail too and that THailand and Burma are now on a level of "new understanding" and that a new capitol city will be made near to Hat Yai as the people down there understand things better about Yellow support.

Can we have that option added to the poll ?

You can't even go close to comparing this situation to anything in Burma. That's just clutching at straws.

[brianb1944]

I had to rise to the bait after i saw some of the comments on this board and the fact the 60% have voted to disperse the protesters. What can i say, what a bunch of dual standard dead heads the 60% are.

I did not see any tanks or troops on the streets when the Yellow shirts over ran the airport,

so why should we see them now. Khun Abhisit seams like a nice fella but lets face it he was

not democratically elected was he. We have the same problem in the Uk with GB.

This fact seams to have been over looked by the 60%

KhunJames I presume, can change your name, but not your monotonous inane writing style

[brianb1944]

The government MUST out an end to this public lawlessness...Thailand is inexorably sliding down the slippery slope to the abyss of anarchy. Already there is a sense of lawlessness throughout this country. Drive-by shootings are common here, such is the brazen lack of regard for human life. People feel free to operate motor vehicles as they wish--often driving dangerously and without respect for their fellow man. Nobody seems to believe the law is something to be obeyed...they make their own statutes to serve their selfish interests and get away with it constantly.

How to end this mess? As a former military operator and tactician, one plausible idea at this point is to take 'extreme measures' to eliminate key protagonists who are inciting regular people--who lack intellectual capacity-- to carry out acts of civil disobedience and suggesting sedition by setting fire to provincial courthouses. If 'extreme measures' means surgically taking out ringleaders with long range rifle fire, then that is one solution available. It is also very public. You must then provide a means for the main body to leave Bangkok without fear of being shot at or incarcerated. Canalize them using water cannons, acoustic devices and accompanying loudspeaker instructions along an egress route with buses and other forms of mass transport at assembly areas, preventing the flow of thugs into side streets to cause additional mayhem. Then move the group en masse to temporary cantonement areas outside of the city where they can be fed and sheltered until arrangements are made to send them up-country. This can be done with precision and compassion and not further fan the flames. Once the head of the snake is severed, the body is controllable and the mass hysteria will ebb. There are sizeable armed forces here that are equipped and trained to perform these tasks easily. The real issue is motivating and commanding them to do their duty and to do it successfully (minimal bloodshed but GET IT DONE).

Endeth the sermon.

Ex Mossop??

[FreedomDude]

What should Abhisit do? Well he certainly hasn't done much of anything for the past few days....until this morning when he did something incredibly stupid: closing the RED tv station. Now the crap is gonna hit the fan! That's how the majority of folksin the countryside are experiencing all of this! If I worked anywhere near the Yellow TV station(where is it anyway?, I would run for the hills!! Also, why has no article been posted exclusively on the RED TV closure topic in the News section? Is this not considered significant enough news? (as of 1:32PM, forgive me if this oversite has since been corrected)

[bkkjames]

What should Abhisit do? Well he certainly hasn't done much of anything for the past few days....until this morning when he did something incredibly stupid: closing the RED tv station. Now the crap is gonna hit the fan! That's how the majority of folksin the countryside are experiencing all of this! If I worked anywhere near the Yellow TV station(where is it anyway?, I would run for the hills!! Also, why has no article been posted exclusively on the RED TV closure topic in the News section? Is this not considered significant enough news? (as of 1:32PM, forgive me if this oversite has since been corrected)

Hey Dirty Harry, it's a brilliant move. Close the station, make the reds do something really stupid, justification for rolling out the army.

Check mate.

Yellow shirt TV station, you mean the one's controlled by the Army? Run for the hills you say?

[animatic]

Well it seems that the statistical data remains pretty constant,

and confirms so far Jingthing's hypothesis.

Of course this has also opened up the can of insults towards those wanting to end this bad business.

Noting several posts deleted.

[Fore Man]

The government MUST out an end to this public lawlessness...Thailand is inexorably sliding down the slippery slope to the abyss of anarchy. Already there is a sense of lawlessness throughout this country. Drive-by shootings are common here, such is the brazen lack of regard for human life. People feel free to operate motor vehicles as they wish--often driving dangerously and without respect for their fellow man. Nobody seems to believe the law is something to be obeyed...they make their own statutes to serve their selfish interests and get away with it constantly.

How to end this mess? As a former military operator and tactician, one plausible idea at this point is to take 'extreme measures' to eliminate key protagonists who are inciting regular people--who lack intellectual capacity-- to carry out acts of civil disobedience and suggesting sedition by setting fire to provincial courthouses. If 'extreme measures' means surgically taking out ringleaders with long range rifle fire, then that is one solution available. It is also very public. You must then provide a means for the main body to leave Bangkok without fear of being shot at or incarcerated. Canalize them using water cannons, acoustic devices and accompanying loudspeaker instructions along an egress route with buses and other forms of mass transport at assembly areas, preventing the flow of thugs into side streets to cause additional mayhem. Then move the group en masse to temporary cantonement areas outside of the city where they can be fed and sheltered until arrangements are made to send them up-country. This can be done with precision and compassion and not further fan the flames. Once the head of the snake is severed, the body is controllable and the mass hysteria will ebb. There are sizeable armed forces here that are equipped and trained to perform these tasks easily. The real issue is motivating and commanding them to do their duty and to do it successfully (minimal bloodshed but GET IT DONE).

Endeth the sermon.

Ex Mossop??

Nope...nowhere close. And check out your spelling please. The 'agency' you refer to spelled a bit differently. Cheers.