ok so the Navara is about 70k cheaper than the Toyota No problems with the reliability Nissan has been making Diesel engines since the dawn of time , biggest truck on the market lower priced varients available with leather, ok the rear cab is a little bit smaller than some of its competitors but hey who's in the back 6'6 120 kilo farrangs? then yes this may have a slight disadvantage but if it is 2 or 3 , 5 foot 48 kilo Thais then whats the problem.

5 speed auto 6 speed manual gear boxes available, electronic switchable 4x4 instead of the old second gear leaver that most other trucks retain,if you need a 4x4 then you must be hauling some heavy bags of fertilizer for distribution around your 50 rai of rubber trees located on some out of the way place with dirt roads in the rainy season, if your in Pattaya or Bangkok then forget a 4x4.

Navara also looks good .

One thing on the interest rates forget all the 2.7% it realy means 2.7% per year multiply that by how many years you take out the finance and that's the true figure

I understand what you say but it's just the annoying things, like the crap interior, why they have a lump of metal between glass in the rear doors, why not one piece of glass like the Vigo, OK cosmetic but but but. I know it's a truck but Toyota seems to have taken care of the little things. Electronic 4x4, rather have the shifter for that, one less thing to go wrong. 4 speed auto, bullet proof.

electric engaged 4x4 is really crap when you have entered a klong trusting its only 40 cm deep, and discover the need of 4x4 low because its deeper and it cant be engaged cause the elctric stuff is under water. stuck

Hilux reliablility has made it most selling pickup in Africa and Asia. For decades. Ok looks old fashioned with a stick for the 4x4, but it works. always

electric engaged 4x4 is really crap when you have entered a klong trusting its only 40 cm deep, and discover the need of 4x4 low because its deeper and it cant be engaged cause the elctric stuff is under water. stuck

Really?I always would have thought that there was at least one engineer so smart to make electronic boxes under a car waterproof.

Maybe another reason to choose the Navara is that the manufacturer supports the use of B5.Toyota as far as I've heard doesn't and seems to have problems with the use of it.

Toyota supports B5 since november 2009. I have not seen any reports on B5 issues with Toyota prior to November 2009 either, neither in EU or here. Toyota was using commonrail 3 years before any other LOS pickup, wich again is 3 years after EU, and I have not seen any reports on Toyota commonrail issues

Actually I belive Navara and Vigo is using the same commonrail from Denso, but Navara choosing another ECU setup for peak performance while Toyota focus on smooth power. In reality they perform equally, but Vigo 3,0 smoother from lower rpm. Toyotas 2,5 VN feels rather identical to Navara 144hp, and performs identically

I don't know bout any problems,my comment regarding the B5 was only because a few weeks ago when I was at some car shop asking about my problems with the black smoke the guy asked if I used B5 and mentioned voluntary that toyota vigo for example can not use B5.

The new Toyota 2.5VN engine is only available so far in the Smart cab/Double cab Prerunner and the 2.5 4x4 Smart cab/Double cab.

The normal Vigo Hi-Lux has the 2.5G and E models with the 120/3600 engine, they also have the 3.0L engine too, plus some other variants, eg a petrol 2.7.

These are the models that the Nissan Navara 4 x 2 version should be compared with.

Nissan some time back brought out the Calibre version of the Navara which is their raised up model to compete with the Toyota Prerunner, amongst others makes (Hi Rider/Hi Racer/Hi Lander). My own view is that Nissan had some spare 4 x4 bodies and they just put the 144 spec engine used in the 4 x 2. The dimensions/weight & wheel/tyre size of the Calibre are all bigger than the standard Navara model. The 2010 Calibre now has a special edition white DVD version, I wonder where they got that idea from!!.

Nissan will put a auto gear box in the Calibre too!, something that Toyota will not do in the Prerunner model, there was a long topic on TV about this some years back now. Toyota's response that there was no requirement for it to be fitted, I do'nt think there were any technical reasons not to do so.

There was some "rumours" coming out of the recent motor show that manufacturers 3.0L diesel engines in the pickup scene would be discontinued after 2014. New regulations coming in, but again only show banter!! it seems.

I was at the Nissan dealer today and asked about the Calibre as he mentioned it to me the first time I went there,but he said it had the 106 Hp engine fitted.Do you have some link or something where I can find out that it has the 144 Hp engine fitted because if it has I am interested in the calibre as it is 100.000 cheaper in AT version then the 4x4 Navara.What are the other differences between the calibre and the LE version?

Basjke, keep feeding "beachbore" the bait, I think we may have him!

Well I actually said from early in the thread that I am interested in the Navara as I think from the outside it looks better than any truck on the Thai market currently.Also if you can provide some link that the Calibre has the higher horsepower engine fitted then that will be the car.I'm not sure if I mentioned it in the original post but 4x4 isn't realy a must for me but I can live with the extra cost it carries.

I was originally interested in the Vigo pre-runner but the fact that they don't deliver in AT made it a nono for me.Actually toyota makes only very few models available in At.Think they could sell many more Vigo's if they changed that policy a little.

The new Toyota 2.5VN engine is only available so far in the Smart cab/Double cab Prerunner and the 2.5 4x4 Smart cab/Double cab.

The normal Vigo Hi-Lux has the 2.5G and E models with the 120/3600 engine, they also have the 3.0L engine too, plus some other variants, eg a petrol 2.7.

These are the models that the Nissan Navara 4 x 2 version should be compared with.

Nissan some time back brought out the Calibre version of the Navara which is their raised up model to compete with the Toyota Prerunner, amongst others makes (Hi Rider/Hi Racer/Hi Lander). My own view is that Nissan had some spare 4 x4 bodies and they just put the 144 spec engine used in the 4 x 2. The dimensions/weight & wheel/tyre size of the Calibre are all bigger than the standard Navara model. The 2010 Calibre now has a special edition white DVD version, I wonder where they got that idea from!!.

Nissan will put a auto gear box in the Calibre too!, something that Toyota will not do in the Prerunner model, there was a long topic on TV about this some years back now. Toyota's response that there was no requirement for it to be fitted, I do'nt think there were any technical reasons not to do so.

There was some "rumours" coming out of the recent motor show that manufacturers 3.0L diesel engines in the pickup scene would be discontinued after 2014. New regulations coming in, but again only show banter!! it seems.

I was at the Nissan dealer today and asked about the Calibre as he mentioned it to me the first time I went there,but he said it had the 106 Hp engine fitted.Do you have some link or something where I can find out that it has the 144 Hp engine fitted because if it has I am interested in the calibre as it is 100.000 cheaper in AT version then the 4x4 Navara.What are the other differences between the calibre and the LE version?

Sorry got confused between HP and PS.Found out already that the Calibre has the lower power engine.

I sell Ranger's in Aus and their a good vehicle, of the one ones that I have sold over the past 2 years there has been no complaints from people.

They are built in Thailand so I assume they are the same there as they are here.

Have a look at www.ford.com.au

I work with Rangers here in Thailand (modify for export) on a daily basis, they are a decent vehicle, the problem in Thailand though is the Ford name is not liked, hence they sell poorly and have even worse resale value.

I never did see may on the road in Thailand, same goes for the Mazda (BT50 as they are known here) which as you would know come out of the same factory.

Just out of intrest why is the Ford name not liked in Thailand?

And can you get my stock for me faster

I sell Ranger's in Aus and their a good vehicle, of the one ones that I have sold over the past 2 years there has been no complaints from people.

They are built in Thailand so I assume they are the same there as they are here.

Have a look at www.ford.com.au

I work with Rangers here in Thailand (modify for export) on a daily basis, they are a decent vehicle, the problem in Thailand though is the Ford name is not liked, hence they sell poorly and have even worse resale value.

I never did see may on the road in Thailand, same goes for the Mazda (BT50 as they are known here) which as you would know come out of the same factory.

Just out of intrest why is the Ford name not liked in Thailand?

And can you get my stock for me faster

No idea why Ford is not liked here.

Cant help with your stock issues as even we cannot get any vehicles at the moment, there is just none available for purchase, we have even depleted Fords stock in South Africa.

The new Toyota 2.5VN engine is only available so far in the Smart cab/Double cab Prerunner and the 2.5 4x4 Smart cab/Double cab.

The normal Vigo Hi-Lux has the 2.5G and E models with the 120/3600 engine, they also have the 3.0L engine too, plus some other variants, eg a petrol 2.7.

These are the models that the Nissan Navara 4 x 2 version should be compared with.

Nissan some time back brought out the Calibre version of the Navara which is their raised up model to compete with the Toyota Prerunner, amongst others makes (Hi Rider/Hi Racer/Hi Lander). My own view is that Nissan had some spare 4 x4 bodies and they just put the 144 spec engine used in the 4 x 2. The dimensions/weight & wheel/tyre size of the Calibre are all bigger than the standard Navara model. The 2010 Calibre now has a special edition white DVD version, I wonder where they got that idea from!!.

Nissan will put a auto gear box in the Calibre too!, something that Toyota will not do in the Prerunner model, there was a long topic on TV about this some years back now. Toyota's response that there was no requirement for it to be fitted, I do'nt think there were any technical reasons not to do so.

There was some "rumours" coming out of the recent motor show that manufacturers 3.0L diesel engines in the pickup scene would be discontinued after 2014. New regulations coming in, but again only show banter!! it seems.

I was at the Nissan dealer today and asked about the Calibre as he mentioned it to me the first time I went there,but he said it had the 106 Hp engine fitted.Do you have some link or something where I can find out that it has the 144 Hp engine fitted because if it has I am interested in the calibre as it is 100.000 cheaper in AT version then the 4x4 Navara.What are the other differences between the calibre and the LE version?

Try this link to Red Book, then once in choose the model it will give you all the specs (Don't now how well it is kept up to date)

http://www.redbookasiapacific.com/th/vehic...20100&new=1

If you want to take a look at other manufacturers like Toyota click on the tab near the top marked New Car prices.

TB

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Edited April 22, 201016 yr by katabeachbum

The new Toyota 2.5VN engine is only available so far in the Smart cab/Double cab Prerunner and the 2.5 4x4 Smart cab/Double cab.

The normal Vigo Hi-Lux has the 2.5G and E models with the 120/3600 engine, they also have the 3.0L engine too, plus some other variants, eg a petrol 2.7.

These are the models that the Nissan Navara 4 x 2 version should be compared with.

Nissan some time back brought out the Calibre version of the Navara which is their raised up model to compete with the Toyota Prerunner, amongst others makes (Hi Rider/Hi Racer/Hi Lander). My own view is that Nissan had some spare 4 x4 bodies and they just put the 144 spec engine used in the 4 x 2. The dimensions/weight & wheel/tyre size of the Calibre are all bigger than the standard Navara model. The 2010 Calibre now has a special edition white DVD version, I wonder where they got that idea from!!.

Nissan will put a auto gear box in the Calibre too!, something that Toyota will not do in the Prerunner model, there was a long topic on TV about this some years back now. Toyota's response that there was no requirement for it to be fitted, I do'nt think there were any technical reasons not to do so.

There was some "rumours" coming out of the recent motor show that manufacturers 3.0L diesel engines in the pickup scene would be discontinued after 2014. New regulations coming in, but again only show banter!! it seems.

I was at the Nissan dealer today and asked about the Calibre as he mentioned it to me the first time I went there,but he said it had the 106 Hp engine fitted.Do you have some link or something where I can find out that it has the 144 Hp engine fitted because if it has I am interested in the calibre as it is 100.000 cheaper in AT version then the 4x4 Navara.What are the other differences between the calibre and the LE version?

Sorry got confused between HP and PS.Found out already that the Calibre has the lower power engine.

I believe the only difference between 144hp and 177hp is the ECU, but never checked the price to replace it

3 Posts insulting another member have been deleted.

Please keep it civil. If you cannot discuss Pick Up Trucks in civil manor it is all a bit sad.

agood rule of thumb for resale is, if it sells good new it will sell good used. The toyota fits this moto and imho the service departments at toyota are hard to beat, also the more sold the more spare parts for it's later years.

Some good points being discussed here mainly regarding Toyota's, but i would be nice to here from other members who own Nissan or Ford, come on where are you all ?

Why are all these posts being removed for insulting other members on here, its about Pick ups for gods sake.

agood rule of thumb for resale is, if it sells good new it will sell good used. The toyota fits this moto and imho the service departments at toyota are hard to beat, also the more sold the more spare parts for it's later years.

agree

but with Navara, Nissan is nowing selling 1 pickup for every 5 Toyota. Thats 8-9% of the market for Nissan, while Toyota is more than 40%. Not bad

electric engaged 4x4 is really crap when you have entered a klong trusting its only 40 cm deep, and discover the need of 4x4 low because its deeper and it cant be engaged cause the elctric stuff is under water. stuck

Really?I always would have thought that there was at least one engineer so smart to make electronic boxes under a car waterproof.

IP 44, splash proof. Not waterproof submerged under water.

I used to import us trucks to Europe. Common problem on us 4x4, since they introduced electric switches for 4x4.

I sell Ranger's in Aus and their a good vehicle, of the one ones that I have sold over the past 2 years there has been no complaints from people.

They are built in Thailand so I assume they are the same there as they are here.

Have a look at www.ford.com.au

I work with Rangers here in Thailand (modify for export) on a daily basis, they are a decent vehicle, the problem in Thailand though is the Ford name is not liked, hence they sell poorly and have even worse resale value.

I never did see may on the road in Thailand, same goes for the Mazda (BT50 as they are known here) which as you would know come out of the same factory.

Just out of intrest why is the Ford name not liked in Thailand?

And can you get my stock for me faster

No idea why Ford is not liked here.

Cant help with your stock issues as even we cannot get any vehicles at the moment, there is just none available for purchase, we have even depleted Fords stock in South Africa.

That explains why Focus stock is hard to get too!

Maybee I'll put on a suit and stroll into the factory making Rangers, telling them I'm Marin Burlea and demand answers, see what happens.

3 Posts insulting another member have been deleted.

Please keep it civil. If you cannot discuss Pick Up Trucks in civil manor it is all a bit sad.

I find it hard to believe posts have been deleted over this subject. Was it an unhappy Nissan owner by any chance ?

(only joking)

Now that I'm in the market for a new truck I pay some more attention to the Nissan's and Toyota's I see on the road.I notice that many vigo drivers have mounted the optional triangle shaped frame over their trunk door handle.

Might that be because they want their car looks like a Navara?

3 Posts insulting another member have been deleted.

Please keep it civil. If you cannot discuss Pick Up Trucks in civil manor it is all a bit sad.

I find it hard to believe posts have been deleted over this subject. Was it an unhappy Nissan owner by any chance ?

(only joking)

Now that I'm in the market for a new truck I pay some more attention to the Nissan's and Toyota's I see on the road.I notice that many vigo drivers have mounted the optional triangle shaped frame over their trunk door handle.

Might that be because they want their car looks like a Navara?

It might be a good idear to test drive a couple of models you have short listed...just a thought

I bought a new pickup last May, I bought the D-Max 4x4 Auto Platinum. I chose it because it came with a load of features the Vigo didn't have e.g touch on the fly electric 4x4, DVD, USB, reversing camera and a nicer interior. Also it has the best fuel consumption of any truck. The other point was that is was 70K Baht cheaper than the equivelant Vigo. If I was in the market again I would either buy a new D-Max or wait for the new model which is due out next year.

Its all personal preference of course but the things that put me off the Vigo were the shape, the interior, the lack of tough on the fly electric 4x4, no USB and the 70K THB more. I liked the shape of the Navarra but hated the plastic fantastic interior and the crap residuals.

It might be a good idear to test drive a couple of models you have short listed...just a thought

Unfortunately it is not so relevant to make a testdrive in Thailand.In the pattaya area you may call yourself already lucky if you can VIEW the model which you are interested in.However if you or some other members had the opportunity to get some testdrive from one or another brand please post your experiences here.

I bought a new pickup last May, I bought the D-Max 4x4 Auto Platinum. I chose it because it came with a load of features the Vigo didn't have e.g touch on the fly electric 4x4, DVD, USB, reversing camera and a nicer interior. Also it has the best fuel consumption of any truck. The other point was that is was 70K Baht cheaper than the equivelant Vigo. If I was in the market again I would either buy a new D-Max or wait for the new model which is due out next year.

Its all personal preference of course but the things that put me off the Vigo were the shape, the interior, the lack of tough on the fly electric 4x4, no USB and the 70K THB more. I liked the shape of the Navarra but hated the plastic fantastic interior and the crap residuals.

You see everyone is different . I think the Vigo looks great, best of all the pick ups. You pay more but you'll get a pick up that in 10 years still has some value, unlike some of the others that will be falling apart

Great to get informed advice on the different options as well as facts, but unfortunately the final decision comes down to purely subjective and things like:

What looks best in your eyes

What drives best in your opinion and for what driving you want it for

What spec you are looking for

What you are prepared to pay for it

I drive a 4x4 Mitsubishi and would not change it for any Toyota or Nissan but that is my opinion. There will be many disagreements but it is my motor and I am happy with it and I am paying for it.

I am sure there cannot be much difference between the top models anyway.

Ford / Toyota / Mitsu / Isuzu / Nissan go with what you like

I am sure there cannot be much difference between the top models anyway.

Ford / Toyota / Mitsu / Isuzu / Nissan go with what you like

except for engines power and caracter, suspension comfort and traction, brakes size/ capasaty, EBD and ABS(some of them need 72 meters to stop from 100kmh, some 52m), length of pickupbed, accident impact on passanger cage, noiselevel, seatcomfort front and rear, phuu, to long to list the huge differences between top of the line LOS pickups

Considering and ordering pickup last year, Mitsu was on my list until I discovered bed was 15 cm shorter than the others. Problems to bring my bike

I am sure there cannot be much difference between the top models anyway.

Ford / Toyota / Mitsu / Isuzu / Nissan go with what you like

except for engines power and caracter, suspension comfort and traction, brakes size/ capasaty, EBD and ABS(some of them need 72 meters to stop from 100kmh, some 52m), length of pickupbed, accident impact on passanger cage, noiselevel, seatcomfort front and rear, phuu, to long to list the huge differences between top of the line LOS pickups

Considering and ordering pickup last year, Mitsu was on my list until I discovered bed was 15 cm shorter than the others. Problems to bring my bike

The problem is that you can't get the best of all in a single pick up here in Thailand so you have to make a decission which options are the most important for you.I'm leaning more and more towards the nissan Navara and seriously are cosidering to purchase a Calibre 4x2 4 doors AT tomorrow since in my opinion it has all I'm looking for in a pick-up and I got "an offer you can't refuse"

So let me put up an additional question.In the the past I have always made up my choice of cars with the mind that the the top version is the one I need,now I want to make it a more economical decision as I wasted enough useless money on cars.

If I buy the Navara calibre I have the choice between the normal version and the limited version.The Limited has the pearl white color which is exlusive to this version,a chrome bar on the trunk and some more fancy things which are not really worth to write about.It's cost is 801.000 where as the normal version is 789.000 Baht.

It looks nice in that color,the only question is,will I get any more money for it in a second hand sale because it is a limited version?

Edited April 25, 201016 yr by basjke

I am sure there cannot be much difference between the top models anyway.

Ford / Toyota / Mitsu / Isuzu / Nissan go with what you like

except for engines power and caracter, suspension comfort and traction, brakes size/ capasaty, EBD and ABS(some of them need 72 meters to stop from 100kmh, some 52m), length of pickupbed, accident impact on passanger cage, noiselevel, seatcomfort front and rear, phuu, to long to list the huge differences between top of the line LOS pickups

Considering and ordering pickup last year, Mitsu was on my list until I discovered bed was 15 cm shorter than the others. Problems to bring my bike

The problem is that you can't get the best of all in a single pick up here in Thailand so you have to make a decission which options are the most important for you.I'm leaning more and more towards the nissan Navara and seriously are cosidering to purchase a Calibre 4x2 4 doors AT tomorrow since in my opinion it has all I'm looking for in a pick-up and I got "an offer you can't refuse"

Of course you have an offer you can't refuse, because they can't sell them. When l put a deposit on my truck another make called me offering to pay back my deposit if l bought their motor.

Uhmm,keep in mind that I visited only 1 toyota garage and was offered a total discount of 20.000 Baht in cash,and another 35.000 Baht in options apart from the usual things like window film and coating etc.That was without any negotiating yet.So don't think toyota as well has a flood a buyers at the moment.

Uhmm,keep in mind that I visited only 1 toyota garage and was offered a total discount of 20.000 Baht in cash,and another 35.000 Baht in options apart from the usual things like window film and coating etc.That was without any negotiating yet.So don't think toyota as well has a flood a buyers at the moment.

I am not a salesman but for sure Toyota does not have to 'sell' their motors or give away freebees, they sell themselves.

Then maybe you want to explain why I got all those discounts without asking anything?By the way this was on the top model Vigo and in Pattaya ,an area where the garages still think that you should feel pleased that you are allowed to buy a car.

Edit to add: please don't mess up my posts when replying as it turns out as the mess that it is now.

Edited April 25, 201016 yr by basjke

I am sure there cannot be much difference between the top models anyway.

Ford / Toyota / Mitsu / Isuzu / Nissan go with what you like

except for engines power and caracter, suspension comfort and traction, brakes size/ capasaty, EBD and ABS(some of them need 72 meters to stop from 100kmh, some 52m), length of pickupbed, accident impact on passanger cage, noiselevel, seatcomfort front and rear, phuu, to long to list the huge differences between top of the line LOS pickups

Considering and ordering pickup last year, Mitsu was on my list until I discovered bed was 15 cm shorter than the others. Problems to bring my bike

The problem is that you can't get the best of all in a single pick up here in Thailand so you have to make a decission which options are the most important for you.I'm leaning more and more towards the nissan Navara and seriously are cosidering to purchase a Calibre 4x2 4 doors AT tomorrow since in my opinion it has all I'm looking for in a pick-up and I got "an offer you can't refuse"

So let me put up an additional question.In the the past I have always made up my choice of cars with the mind that the the top version is the one I need,now I want to make it a more economical decision as I wasted enough useless money on cars.

If I buy the Navara calibre I have the choice between the normal version and the limited version.The Limited has the pearl white color which is exlusive to this version,a chrome bar on the trunk and some more fancy things which are not really worth to write about.It's cost is 801.000 where as the normal version is 789.000 Baht.

It looks nice in that color,the only question is,will I get any more money for it in a second hand sale because it is a limited version?

white is fasion now, as it was until 1988. In 1992 white secondhand cars where at least 5% less than most colors. I got a white Vigo cause I like it, but not sure its the safest investment if I keep it 3-5 years

the rollbar looks terrible, tiny and single pipe, so If I buy Navara limited its for the white pearl only

white pearl is very difficult to hit correct color when respraying

The problem is that you can't get the best of all in a single pick up here in Thailand so you have to make a decission which options are the most important for you.I'm leaning more and more towards the nissan Navara and seriously are cosidering to purchase a Calibre 4x2 4 doors AT tomorrow since in my opinion it has all I'm looking for in a pick-up and I got "an offer you can't refuse"

So let me put up an additional question.In the the past I have always made up my choice of cars with the mind that the the top version is the one I need,now I want to make it a more economical decision as I wasted enough useless money on cars.

If I buy the Navara calibre I have the choice between the normal version and the limited version.The Limited has the pearl white color which is exlusive to this version,a chrome bar on the trunk and some more fancy things which are not really worth to write about.It's cost is 801.000 where as the normal version is 789.000 Baht.

It looks nice in that color,the only question is,will I get any more money for it in a second hand sale because it is a limited version?

white is fasion now, as it was until 1988. In 1992 white secondhand cars where at least 5% less than most colors. I got a white Vigo cause I like it, but not sure its the safest investment if I keep it 3-5 years

the rollbar looks terrible, tiny and single pipe, so If I buy Navara limited its for the white pearl only

white pearl is very difficult to hit correct color when respraying

Thanks for that you brought my biggest concerns into words.That is that I also think the rollbar looks silly,even had in mind removing it if I bought the car,and I also worried about the color matching if had just a minor accident.I already see the problems they have with silver or gold metalic colors overhere.

So a twilight grey it will be.

It might be a good idear to test drive a couple of models you have short listed...just a thought

Unfortunately it is not so relevant to make a testdrive in Thailand.In the pattaya area you may call yourself already lucky if you can VIEW the model which you are interested in.

The best solution, and I really can't understand why so few people appear to do it with so many readily available, is to rent one for a day and genuinely try one out. Pretty well all of the models mentioned so far are readily available in Pattaya and at around 1,000 baht a day I would consider it 3 or 4,000 baht well spent - there's a hel_l of a difference between admiring one from the outside and trying out the view you will have, from the inside (unless its all about posing, after all!).

Personally I am of the same mind as 'guzzi (why a pick up, especially a 4x4, unless you spend a lot of time up-country or hauling loads??), but if I were after a 4x4 4 door I would at least consider those in the back, which would mean that I would spend some time trying the back seats - the rear doors on the D-Max are very badly designed and make getting out more difficult than the Triton and the Vigo, for example, and I do like the idea of the opening rear glass on the Triton (only available on the 4 door version).