Thai Army Says Planning Operation To Clear Protesters

[Siripon]

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It was you making the bogus comparisons.

This never has been about the 'elite' or your hyperbole about moders slavery. This is about Thaksin's attampt to use the people of the rural N and NE by locking them into a client patron role that they could never escape.

Most of the media everywhere in the world, the Red Shirts in their published declaration have noticed...THAKSIN is sidelined. RED Shirt People are fighting for THEMSELVES not for Thaksin. On your side, have you noticed the important change since the beginning of the conflict????

I am supporting PEACE and supporting the Northern Population. I am not supporting Thaksin. I am an opponent to his come back.

Only last month their magazine had a picture of King Taksin who beat the Burmese and a picture of Thaksin in the same mode with his name spelt Taksin, saying the 'Return Of Taksin'.

Most red shirt members wear T shirts with his face on it. I guarantee if he died tomorrow 80% of the red shirt supporters would lose interest.

[humfurry]

Here's a quote from an article in Reuters regarding recent debt relief for farmers. "Under the scheme, debts owed by farmers will be halved. They will also get 15 years to pay off the remaining 50 percent of their original debt, said Vichit Chantachaeng, an acting director of the state Farmers' Reconstuction and Development Fund.

The plan affects about 510,000 debtors who owed a total of about 80 billion baht ($2.5 billion) in non-performing loans."

It is a Pi in a Violin.... 40% of the population is concerned by drought, rice, rubber price (around 25 Millions people far from the 0.5 million).... Mini measure "Cosmetic", NOTORIOUSLY INSUFFICIENT.

Thai Agriculture needs a "MARSHALL PLAN", present your cosmetic measures to the Kindergarden, they may be impressed.

Jerry I didn't have to present this to a kindergarten, I presented it to you. I think your romantic notions of a glorious agrarian society are a bit childish and naive. Farming is a business. Now if these glorious Reds were back home tending their farms and taking care of business then it might ease your concern for their future a bit. Because then all the workers in the areas where the Reds are demonstrating would be paid and sending money back home to their families.

Edited April 17, 2010 by humfurry

[Skywalker69]

supernova....

i am very sorry that i have to massively disagree with you in ref to pm apisit....

the current pm, apisit, is not a failure at all.... as you attibuted him to be....

on the contrary, he is a complete gentleman, thoroughly.... inside and outside....

perhaps, because of his gentleness and full of compassion and mercy toward others.... even the opposing redshirts themselves....

he was willing to settle the issues with the 3 redshirt core leaders on a conference table.... which was televised nationwide, not once but twice....

he even was willing to do it for the third time.... but the redshirt leaders were the one who refused his gracious gesture....

the current pm is morally upright, smart, gentle, fair and full of compassion for all.... whether they are southerners, northerners, westerners, easterners or bangkokians themselves....

in my estimation, and i totally agreed with asiacheese.... he is several notches above..... the convicted escapee tuksin, somchai and samark....

and i'll be saying the same thing as i stated above to the ex pm--mr chuan.... tomorrow morning, sunday the 18th....

The above post is so eloquently stated and so correct. Now if all the posters here shared your insight and common sense - not to mention intelligence - then this board would not be as lively! But really beautifully written. Thank you for that breath of fresh air.

Count me in, big thank you.

[jucel]

photoshop fudge for the papers!! 5,000 my a*se!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Scott]

Politicians have proper names, please use them. Post deleted.

[anotherpeter]

photoshop fudge for the papers!! 5,000 my a*se!!!!!!!!!!!!

Which side was retouched?

[mitrapaap]

it's amazing that this army can't even surround a hotel and remove some fat middle aged men from a room without incident. If the army can't protect the country against a bunch of farmers with sticks, what the heck would they do if say someone like Cambodia decided this would be a nice country to have? I wonder how many countries out there are looking at Thailand as possible fair game, seeing how helpless they really appear. Maybe the moral of the story is, image is just that, all show and no substance. Time to get it together and prove it has what it takes to protect the women and children, or maybe the women and children should do it instead?

The dilemma of each and every soldier in this army is that he is supposed to act against the own (Thai) people. It is one thing to shoot a soldier from an invading country, it is a different story to shoot anybody from your own nationality. You can't keep telling that Thais are one big family and should accept each other, but at the same time expect soldiers to go against their fellow Thais. Many of the soldiers are likely to come from poor families as well, rather than from the high society, that does not make it easier.

[jdinasia]

Looking at any 'operation' against Rajprasong the government forces would need to try and ensure that the moms and babies weren't in the firing line (which they actually managed to achieve last weekend, by luck or planning ... who knows). I assume that they are not on the 'acceptable fatalities' list this time round ? It might be harder to effect this at Rajprasong.

The annual, 'natural selection', cull of Thai people has already occurred (Songkran travelling) - but I guess the 'target figure' may be on the low side.

Let's see.

To all the Ex soldiers, nostalgic of old times, experienced, knowledgeable about Military Art, I suggest you join the French Legion Etrangere to exert your talents.

Thais at 92% want a Peaceful Country. Your advices are useless here, because WE WANT PEACE, NO BLOOD.

Apparently the red shirt leadership is not part of the 92% that want peace. They want Thaksin at any price.

[jucel]

photoshop fudge for the papers!! 5,000 my a*se!!!!!!!!!!!!

Which side was retouched?

pretty obvious isn't it?

[Skywalker69]

Very interesting article but Google it

economist/displaystory.cfm?story_id=15718981

Intressting, thank you for the link.

[Skywalker69]

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It was you making the bogus comparisons.

This never has been about the 'elite' or your hyperbole about moders slavery. This is about Thaksin's attampt to use the people of the rural N and NE by locking them into a client patron role that they could never escape.

Most of the media everywhere in the world, the Red Shirts in their published declaration have noticed...THAKSIN is sidelined. RED Shirt People are fighting for THEMSELVES not for Thaksin. On your side, have you noticed the important change since the beginning of the conflict????

I am supporting PEACE and supporting the Northern Population. I am not supporting Thaksin. I am an opponent to his come back.

Without Thaksins money it woulden´t been a Red rally

[Supernova]

Most of us have a hard time grasping the concept of a red supporter, or anyone else, who seriously believes that if the reds wins, Thaksin doesn't come back, at the very least to be a puppet master yet again. Like a Nazi who doesn't fancy Hitler, innit? What do you think he is paying for? Entertainment?

If the Reds win, Thaksin will return to the country no doubt and will probably continue his role as puppet master. Make no mistake. However, I don't think he'll get the kind of immunity many people think he will receive for reasons I've already mentioned.

Money can't buy everything.

[tonywebster]

photoshop fudge for the papers!! 5,000 my a*se!!!!!!!!!!!!

Brilliant find

[niveknedwob]

I see that the 'reds' are now putting their 3-star hotel-comfort-strumpets on the stage now.

[humfurry]

photoshop fudge for the papers!! 5,000 my a*se!!!!!!!!!!!!

Which side was retouched?

pretty obvious isn't it?

Good skills jucel... the perspective must have been a bitch.

[anotherpeter]

photoshop fudge for the papers!! 5,000 my a*se!!!!!!!!!!!!

Which side was retouched?

pretty obvious isn't it?

It's obvious they are different. It's also obvious which side that you want look like the touched up one.

But given that you (I assume) nor I was there, and there is no source given for either version, it could easily be the left side that is the photoshopped version.

edit: the source being UDDThailand facebook makes it completely obvious which side is the photoshopped version.

Edited April 17, 2010 by anotherpeter

[ozzieman05]

^indeed Abhisit will resign and we can put this episode of comedy to rest.

\\\

Still dreaming Isee

the end no way

Just change the channel and we start again with a group that has no polices except chaos in the streets

[BNZ]

A "gentleman" - will open a door for a lady ... but will smash that door into the face of any 'aspiring young pretender' that cares to try his hand - and still end up kissing her on the cheek at the door to her place later whilst politely refusing to go in for a coffee.

..and would,  graciously giving in to her wishes ..to drink from her cup ! 

 

Thence entering her Jade Doors to thoroughly and exquisitely satiate her lusty, bountiful desires exposing the full and complete woman that only an Abhisit supporter could reveal. 

Sorry boys , I had to stay 'on topic'.

[stevotoo]

They probably cut the extra people out of a red shirt demonstration to make that look smaller, and then switched red to brown in photoshop

[jdinasia]

[

It was you making the bogus comparisons.

This never has been about the 'elite' or your hyperbole about moders slavery. This is about Thaksin's attampt to use the people of the rural N and NE by locking them into a client patron role that they could never escape.

Most of the media everywhere in the world, the Red Shirts in their published declaration have noticed...THAKSIN is sidelined. RED Shirt People are fighting for THEMSELVES not for Thaksin. On your side, have you noticed the important change since the beginning of the conflict????

I am supporting PEACE and supporting the Northern Population. I am not supporting Thaksin. I am an opponent to his come back.

Without Thaksins money it woulden´t been a Red rally

Jerry seems to be missing the basics ..... Thaksin is all over the rally, from the funding, to his pictures, to his all too frequent phone-in interviews. Thaksin isn't sidelined and he won't be. This is HIS movement. With HIS violence and it really is sad that so many people have been duped.

[jucel]

photoshop fudge for the papers!! 5,000 my a*se!!!!!!!!!!!!

Which side was retouched?

pretty obvious isn't it?

It's obvious they are different. It's also obvious which side that you want look like the touched up one.

But given that you (I assume) nor I was there, and there is no source given for either version, it could easily be the left side that is the photoshopped version.

I just think that the after picture looks false. Also it is much easier to add to picture than to take away. Especially in a tight time frame. Also in the after picture the added parts look fuzzy and hard to make out any individuals. Just a muddle of colours really. You must admit the before picture looks much more genuine.

[jucel]

photoshop fudge for the papers!! 5,000 my a*se!!!!!!!!!!!!

Which side was retouched?

pretty obvious isn't it?

It's obvious they are different. It's also obvious which side that you want look like the touched up one.

But given that you (I assume) nor I was there, and there is no source given for either version, it could easily be the left side that is the photoshopped version.

edit: the source being UDDThailand facebook makes it completely obvious which side is the photoshopped version.

that's not where the original source is from. I just found it there when i was browsing earlier.

[Jerrytheyoung]

Here's a quote from an article in Reuters regarding recent debt relief for farmers. "Under the scheme, debts owed by farmers will be halved. They will also get 15 years to pay off the remaining 50 percent of their original debt, said Vichit Chantachaeng, an acting director of the state Farmers' Reconstuction and Development Fund.

The plan affects about 510,000 debtors who owed a total of about 80 billion baht ($2.5 billion) in non-performing loans."

It is a Pi in a Violin.... 40% of the population is concerned by drought, rice, rubber price (around 25 Millions people far from the 0.5 million).... Mini measure "Cosmetic", NOTORIOUSLY INSUFFICIENT.

Thai Agriculture needs a "MARSHALL PLAN", present your cosmetic measures to the Kindergarden, they may be impressed.

Jerry I didn't have to present this to a kindergarten, I presented it to you. I think your romantic notions of a glorious agrarian society are a bit childish and naive. Farming is a business. Now if these glorious Reds were back home tending their farms and taking care of business then it might ease your concern for their future a bit. Because then all the workers in the areas where the Reds are demonstrating would be paid and sending money back home to their families.

To date, in North Eastern Thailand the soils are dry, Most of the farmers have already prepared the soils. There is only one crop per year. My wife and her brother/sisters are helping her old father (70) when necessary, myself (when I can do it), but now nothing to do just to wait, we are at least at one month of the rain. The village and surroundings have only 2 small tractors. The fields are prepared with the "Tic Tacs". Few buffalos because during the dry seasons no food for them. Similarly only few cows. a Little of Rubber trees do exist mainly nearby Siwilai. But Nakhon Phanom is too dry.

Northern Thailand is very unlucky with this long dry season. Rain arrives lately one month at least after Bangkok. Successive governments have done very little, irrigation should be organised. Pumping is not the solution because in the region there are salt rock at 100m underground (Tha Phanom), salted water is not good for irrigation. Important investments have to be done. I am not a water specialist but I guess taping water from Mekong is probably the solution. Local Universities (Nakhon Phanom, Sakhon Nakhorn) are too weak in term of teachers and investments for helping seriously.

Maybe 10 days ago, I have supported the idea, same as several posters, that Grouping of Farmers was required into Cooperatives or similar. Those cooperatives should be subsidised for purchasing a minimum equipment like tractors....

The rice is of poor quality and difficult to sell. my father in law makes baskets. It is a small income 20/40 Thai bahts per day or is fishing in a small lake/reservoir

Farming in this part of Thailand is not a business it is a survival activity.

[niveknedwob]

You want to see faces ... you want to 'blow them up' and post them on lamposts ?

Who is the funny guy on stage at Rajprasong atm .. he of the silly hat and wearing something akin to a 'sporran for prepubescent boys ?

[anotherpeter]

It's obvious they are different. It's also obvious which side that you want look like the touched up one.

But given that you (I assume) nor I was there, and there is no source given for either version, it could easily be the left side that is the photoshopped version.

I just think that the after picture looks false. Also it is much easier to add to picture than to take away. Especially in a tight time frame. Also in the after picture the added parts look fuzzy and hard to make out any individuals. Just a muddle of colours really. You must admit the before picture looks much more genuine.

I think it would be easier to add grey road in a short time frame than it would be to add the detail of people.

It's a muddle of colours because there are a muddle of people in coloured shirts.

There is nothing in either photo that makes one more believable than another.

[niveknedwob]

And here is our compere for the night = to paraphrase The Two Ronnies - he is under stress ... he is doing the job of two people - Laurel and Hardy.

[humfurry]

I just think that the after picture looks false. Also it is much easier to add to picture than to take away. Especially in a tight time frame. Also in the after picture the added parts look fuzzy and hard to make out any individuals. Just a muddle of colours really. You must admit the before picture looks much more genuine.

jucel I agree... I'd love to have a bit more resolution... where did you find the original and the PS?

[Jerrytheyoung]

[

It was you making the bogus comparisons.

This never has been about the 'elite' or your hyperbole about moders slavery. This is about Thaksin's attampt to use the people of the rural N and NE by locking them into a client patron role that they could never escape.

Most of the media everywhere in the world, the Red Shirts in their published declaration have noticed...THAKSIN is sidelined. RED Shirt People are fighting for THEMSELVES not for Thaksin. On your side, have you noticed the important change since the beginning of the conflict????

I am supporting PEACE and supporting the Northern Population. I am not supporting Thaksin. I am an opponent to his come back.

Without Thaksins money it woulden´t been a Red rally

Jerry seems to be missing the basics ..... Thaksin is all over the rally, from the funding, to his pictures, to his all too frequent phone-in interviews. Thaksin isn't sidelined and he won't be. This is HIS movement. With HIS violence and it really is sad that so many people have been duped.

Ah!!! back on the forum. We were missing you, Yoshiwara and Animatic... same yellowish partisans who see Thaksin everywhere.

You cannot admit than most of the Red Shirts are fighting for themselves: it destroys your rhetoric.

Just one personal point, I am not for Thaksin and his come back.

[jdinasia]

Jerry seems to be missing the basics ..... Thaksin is all over the rally, from the funding, to his pictures, to his all too frequent phone-in interviews. Thaksin isn't sidelined and he won't be. This is HIS movement. With HIS violence and it really is sad that so many people have been duped.

Ah!!! back on the forum. We were missing you, Yoshiwara and Animatic... same yellowish partisans who see Thaksin everywhere.

You cannot admit than most of the Red Shirts are fighting for themselves: it destroys your rhetoric.

Just one personal point, I am not for Thaksin and his come back.

Nope

You are just for those redshirt leaders that have brought all this down in Thaksin's name. YOU say that it isn't about Thaksin but the people at the rally don't say that. The phone-ins don't say that, the financing doesn't say that, Thaksin's photos don't say that .... but hey ... YOU say it so it must be true!

[jucel]

I just think that the after picture looks false. Also it is much easier to add to picture than to take away. Especially in a tight time frame. Also in the after picture the added parts look fuzzy and hard to make out any individuals. Just a muddle of colours really. You must admit the before picture looks much more genuine.

jucel I agree... I'd love to have a bit more resolution... where did you find the original and the PS?

yeh a bit more resolution would be good. I just found it when i was browsing earlier. If i find the original source i will post it!