Top Army, Navy Units Readied For Red-Shirts Dispersal

[monkfish]

In the UK we don't have any of these problems including Military Coupes so you can't really compare the UK to Thailand.

I do not recall a protest in the UK where live ammunition was fired at demonstrators.

[wayfarer108]

^2006 protests were way longer and far more lenient for an insurrection of that magnitude such as closing airports.

I smell another Abhisit embarrassment coming our way.

Of what possible relevancy is that? Any more embarrassing than the long string of embarrassments endured by Thaksin and his cronies?

If you must compare, the PAD demonstrators never occupied as large a chunk of residential area as the Thai Rouge have, to begin with.

Their occupation of the airport, furthermore, was shorter than the Reds' occupation of Rajprasong.

When the losses are tallied, I think you'll find that the UDD have done as much damage to the nation, economically, as the PAD. Perhaps more, since their antics are carried out in several provinces as well as Bangkok. My impression is that tourism, one the nation's primary sources of livelihoods, has taken a larger dive during the 'Red period' due to the unruly nature of the Bangkok occupation, which I can attest to personally, having lived in Bangkok through both periods.

I find it rather psychotic that a primary declared reason the UDD have occupied Rajprasong is in retaliation for the PAD's blocking of the airport. It goes right along with your compulsion to compare Red to Yellow. We the residents of Bangkok don't want *any* demonstrators, regardless of shirt colour or cause, occupying our streets and making it difficult for us to live and go to work each day.

All that a comparison demonstrates is that the UDD are every bit as ignorant of democratic principles as the PAD were. It's time they grow up, as the PAD have, in forming their own political party, and stop relying on the harassment of capital residents to topple a government they - an obvious minority of voices in Thailand (as was/is the PAD) - don't like.

Edited April 19, 2010 by wayfarer108

[yoshiwara]

In the UK we don't have any of these problems including Military Coupes so you can't really compare the UK to Thailand.

I do not recall a protest in the UK where live ammunition was fired at demonstrators.

Another xxxxThaksin apologist.

Ever heard of Bloody Sunday?

[sotsira]

I'm pretty sure closing airports is more detrimental to trade and tourism than malls.

I'm not sure which one is worse. They are both bad for the economy.

All put together they are terrible for the economy and for future foreign investment and tourism in Thailand.

And until Thais work out that the country can not be ruled by minority mobs, then the economy will continue to get worse, which will affect all Thais.

So why is the Thai Baht getting stronger every year since 2007.

[animatic]

You protesteth too much.

The old Communist Parties used to have a category of supporter called Fellow Travellers.

Stalin referred to them as Useful Fools.

Looks like you are in that club for Thaksin.

If you quack like a duck.

then you are a duck.

Quack away.

A sweet dedication to the logic of red Shirt Principles.

These guys were parody and made more sense.

[BNZ]

In the UK we don't have any of these problems including Military Coupes so you can't really compare the UK to Thailand.

I do not recall a protest in the UK where live ammunition was fired at demonstrators.

Another dumb Thaksin apologist.

Ever heard of Bloody Sunday?

Heh heh, you got 'em there yoshiwara  27 times ..and 14 dead !

But here's the one of the "Military Coupes" mentioned, heh heh... 

[bangkoklight]

Indo-Siam, Yoshiwara, CNX and alike, all such bad people only interested in self gain and obsessed with greed and violence. The supporters of a repressive regime, if they don't like a differing opinion, they will attack you personally and create distractions from the real, pertinent issues. They are true trolls, kingmixers, equal only to the men in black who slaughtered 21 innocents just recently. They think it's a laughing matter. Shame on them. The latest is talk of donating blood for a bloodbath they are rooting for. Dirty, nasty characters. They are the schoolboy bullies who dream of becoming boys with toys.

[whiterussian]

So why is the Thai Baht getting stronger every year since 2007.

manipulation, and a general shift of money out of the west towards the big C, and its nearby states.

Or the big boys are changing thb into other currencies before

Or the big boys are setting it up for a fall... lots of money to be made shorting it down.

Or none of the above.

[anotherpeter]

I'm pretty sure closing airports is more detrimental to trade and tourism than malls.

I'm not sure which one is worse. They are both bad for the economy.

All put together they are terrible for the economy and for future foreign investment and tourism in Thailand.

And until Thais work out that the country can not be ruled by minority mobs, then the economy will continue to get worse, which will affect all Thais.

So why is the Thai Baht getting stronger every year since 2007.

Is the Thai baht getting stronger against everything or just the (weaker) $US?

[Insight]

Indo-Siam, Yoshiwara, CNX and alike, all such bad people only interested in self gain and obsessed with greed and violence. The supporters of a repressive regime, if they don't like a differing opinion, they will attack you personally and create distractions from the real, pertinent issues. They are true trolls, kingmixers, equal only to the men in black who slaughtered 21 innocents just recently. They think it's a laughing matter. Shame on them. The latest is talk of donating blood for a bloodbath they are rooting for. Dirty, nasty characters. They are the schoolboy bullies who dream of becoming boys with toys.

Any chance you could provide us with a translation of a speech from the red shirt stage during the past week or so?

Seriously, let's stick it side-by-side with a CRES announcement and see who is giving out the most deception, propaganda and spin.

"Truth Today" - how easily people are mislead.

[animatic]

Indo-Siam, Yoshiwara, CNX and alike, all such bad people only interested in self gain and obsessed with greed and violence. The supporters of a repressive regime, if they don't like a differing opinion, they will attack you personally and create distractions from the real, pertinent issues. They are true trolls, kingmixers, equal only to the men in black who slaughtered 21 innocents just recently. They think it's a laughing matter. Shame on them. The latest is talk of donating blood for a bloodbath they are rooting for. Dirty, nasty characters. They are the schoolboy bullies who dream of becoming boys with toys.

Any chance you could provide us with a translation of a speech from the red shirt stage during the past week or so?

Seriously, let's stick it side-by-side with a CRES announcement and see who is giving out the most deception, propaganda and spin.

"Truth Today" - how easily people are mislead.

steveromagnino spent 4-5 days listening to the speeches and talking with people.

He did a fine write up on the general content.

[JohnLeech]

In the UK we don't have any of these problems including Military Coupes so you can't really compare the UK to Thailand.

I do not recall a protest in the UK where live ammunition was fired at demonstrators.

Another dumb Thaksin apologist.

Ever heard of Bloody Sunday?

A valid point (for a change).

[commons]

You protesteth too much.

The old Communist Parties used to have a category of supporter called Fellow Travellers.

Stalin referred to them as Useful Fools.

Looks like you are in that club for Thaksin.

If you quack like a duck.

then you are a duck.

Quack away.

A sweet dedication to the logic of red Shirt Principles.

These guys were parody and made more sense.

love that! thanks!

[khaosarnbuddy]

Indo-Siam, Yoshiwara, CNX and alike, all such bad people only interested in self gain and obsessed with greed and violence. The supporters of a repressive regime, if they don't like a differing opinion, they will attack you personally and create distractions from the real, pertinent issues. They are true trolls, kingmixers, equal only to the men in black who slaughtered 21 innocents just recently. They think it's a laughing matter. Shame on them. The latest is talk of donating blood for a bloodbath they are rooting for. Dirty, nasty characters. They are the schoolboy bullies who dream of becoming boys with toys.

Any chance you could provide us with a translation of a speech from the red shirt stage during the past week or so?

Seriously, let's stick it side-by-side with a CRES announcement and see who is giving out the most deception, propaganda and spin.

"Truth Today" - how easily people are mislead.

steveromagnino spent 4-5 days listening to the speeches and talking with people.

He did a fine write up on the general content.

It's not much to write up i guess!

my personal analysis of the last couple of days:

Personal insults 40% Propaganda 40% insulting and distorting jokes 20%

[Insight]

Indo-Siam, Yoshiwara, CNX and alike, all such bad people only interested in self gain and obsessed with greed and violence. The supporters of a repressive regime, if they don't like a differing opinion, they will attack you personally and create distractions from the real, pertinent issues. They are true trolls, kingmixers, equal only to the men in black who slaughtered 21 innocents just recently. They think it's a laughing matter. Shame on them. The latest is talk of donating blood for a bloodbath they are rooting for. Dirty, nasty characters. They are the schoolboy bullies who dream of becoming boys with toys.

Any chance you could provide us with a translation of a speech from the red shirt stage during the past week or so?

Seriously, let's stick it side-by-side with a CRES announcement and see who is giving out the most deception, propaganda and spin.

"Truth Today" - how easily people are mislead.

steveromagnino spent 4-5 days listening to the speeches and talking with people.

He did a fine write up on the general content.

Yeah, I did actually see that one. The speech we heard was the guy saying all the clips that the military had shown from YouTube and other media outlets had been doctored...

[JohnLeech]

Perhaps not in economic theories, but in fiscal common sense, the old school military guys did a decent job. ... The greatest UK PM ever Winston Churchill, First Lord of the Admiralty, well what can one say, he just totally rocks.

Oh, come on please ... yes, Churchill was a great PM and he united the country like no-one else could have done at the time, but he was no more successful as an economist than he was in the military where he spent most of his time as a war correspondent. As for his time as First Lord of the Admiralty, you seem to have overlooked his main contribution to WWI: Gallipoli.

[BNZ]

                                               

                                                       Truth For Today

[monkfish]

Don't mind answering questions but not when they start with an insult!!

[wayfarer108]

steveromagnino spent 4-5 days listening to the speeches and talking with people.

He did a fine write up on the general content.

Link? Thanks.

[khaosarnbuddy]

Truth For Today

KEEP IT COMING! NICE PHOTO!

"ronin" with paymaster....

Edited April 19, 2010 by khaosarnbuddy

[anotherpeter]

steveromagnino spent 4-5 days listening to the speeches and talking with people.

He did a fine write up on the general content.

Link? Thanks.

Post #331 ... "that one" ...

[monkfish]

Now I have a question.

Do you think the Government is handling what happened on the 10th April Transparently?

[wayfarer108]

Please google: 2007 Constitution Referendum Thailand! 60% of the people showed up and the majority voted YES!

I think you forgot to look at the two options, which were very clearly stated by the ruling military junta:

1. Vote "YES" and have elections.

2. Vote "No" and the military remain in power indefinitely.

I am not saying that one constitution is/was any better than any other, just that these things are often not as simple as they seem.

There is no doubt that the constitution needs fixing.

It should be changed using a broad spectrum of Thais ... not just politicians, and particularly, not just the politicians that currently (at any time, not specifically now) have the power.

Then it should be voted for by the people in a referendum.

It should be kept separate from any political elections.

Exactly, but try convincing a red shirt leader of this and you will be silenced with a barrage of ill thought out reasoning that basically circles around until you reach the inevitable conclusion that only Jatuporn, Weng and their mates have the ability to represent the majority of Thais and only they have some unique skill not possessed by people who have previously written constitutions to rewrite the current constitution and they will endeavour to reflect the views of who they perceive are the majority of Thais in writing a constitution that will pardon and grant amnesty to a fugitive and his family who clearly has broken the law and lied to the courts for the charges faced so far and all the charges that cannot proceed because this coward isn't brave enough to return to Thailand and face his accusers in a court of law.

They may also grant themselves more opportunities to engage in electoral fraud or possibly to forgive themselves for fraud they already committed (as they attempted last time around under Samak) but that is a little less clear.

They will consider that they alone have a mandate to change a constitution for ALL Thais based on a vote which people cast relating to party policy rather than anything specifically to do with a constitutional referendum.

They have already refused to continue in non partisan discussions in the house. They refuse to allow any timeline for constitutional reform that is not directly attached to the unrelated issue of selecting a government.

Seriously, how anyone be hoodwinked by this attempt to link democracy and constitutional change - to see the rabbit is hiding under the flap in the hat, it's there the entire time? I can forgive people without the opportunities for a high school education to roll all these issues together.....but et tu bakseeda?

Yes and don't forget they alone also have the right to direct traffic in central Bangkok and dictate which streets are closed. Even lifelong residents of the area are subject to Thai Rouge searches, conducted by drunken 'guards' at either end of Sarasin and Ploenchit Rds.

Along with all the other residents of the Chidlom-Rajprasong area, we're fed up with not being able to come and go at will, with having the places we shop - not talking about the big shopping centres but our small merchants and local street vendors - forced to close while the Thai Rouge set up their own foodstalls and souvenir stands. My neighbors far outnumber the Red contingent - even at their peak numbers of 50,000, now down to only 10,000 or so. Even our local motorcycle taxi guys - some of whom wore red bandanas for a day or two - are fed up. If the government doesn't enforce the law and defend our civil rights, I fear my neighbors will give it a try before long. Over the last days that has been the talk on the street here.

Edited April 19, 2010 by wayfarer108

[whiterussian]

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[wayfarer108]

Now I have a question.

Do you think the Government is handling what happened on the 10th April Transparently?

Transparently enough. Certainly a lot more transparently than Col T handled extrajudicial drug war killings, the Tak Bai massacre, and other human rights abuses documented by the UNCHR, Amnesty International etc. And a lot more transparently than the PPP administration handled bloody Oct 7.

[animatic]

steveromagnino spent 4-5 days listening to the speeches and talking with people.

He did a fine write up on the general content.

Link? Thanks.

Post #331 ... "that one" ...

Yes that's it. The gentleman makes an great effort to be correctly informed,

and knows a good number of original sources, for much of the background

that has gotten us to this point.

And now adds some; 'just seen it, and listened intently for constancy

and actual repeated points', first hand observations.

Nice to get a good observer doing this. Publicus was there for a few days,

but his Thai is not a Steve's level, so thanks again for Steve's efforts.

[anotherpeter]

Now I have a question.

Do you think the Government is handling what happened on the 10th April Transparently?

I think they have to. There is too much independent information out there.

There is no evidence that I have seen, or heard of, that shows the army doing something that was clearly unacceptable.

There was the France24 video of the soldiers shooting at protesters, but that was just after they were bombed with a grenade, and even France24 came out with a followup article backing the soldiers.

Even the reds haven't come up with evidence that the army stepped out of line. Certainly nothing that has much credibility, anyway.

They have paraded a few dead bodies, but there is no independent details of how they were killed.

I haven't seen much detail on the autopsies, but apparently they were done independently.

Maybe some red supporters can correct me if I've missed something that they've seen or heard.

[monkfish]

Now I have a question.

Do you think the Government is handling what happened on the 10th April Transparently?

Transparently enough. Certainly a lot more transparently than Col T handled extrajudicial drug war killings, the Tak Bai massacre, and other human rights abuses documented by the UNCHR, Amnesty International etc. And a lot more transparently than the PPP administration handled bloody Oct 7.

Not asking about Mr Thaksin's war on drugs or the previous government but about the 10th of April Murders.

[anotherpeter]

steveromagnino spent 4-5 days listening to the speeches and talking with people.

He did a fine write up on the general content.

Link? Thanks.

Post #331 ... "that one" ...

Yes that's it. The gentleman makes an great effort to be correctly informed,

and knows a good number of original sources, for much of the background

that has gotten us to this point.

And now adds some; 'just seen it, and listened intently for constancy

and actual repeated points', first hand observations.

Nice to get a good observer doing this. Publicus was there for a few days,

but his Thai is not a Steve's level, so thanks again for Steve's efforts.

Hear! Hear!

Steve's post's are always worth a read.

[anotherpeter]

Now I have a question.

Do you think the Government is handling what happened on the 10th April Transparently?

Transparently enough. Certainly a lot more transparently than Col T handled extrajudicial drug war killings, the Tak Bai massacre, and other human rights abuses documented by the UNCHR, Amnesty International etc. And a lot more transparently than the PPP administration handled bloody Oct 7.

Not asking about Mr Thaksin's war on drugs or the previous government but about the 10th of April Murders.

The question still is Who was committing the murders?