Chulalongkorn Hospital Evacuated After Stormed By Red-Shirts

[jcbangkok]

yeh i know av/goverment, their media and lackeys are trying to blame all the 25 deaths and 800 injuries on the black shirts...

and trying to whitewash their part in the bloodbath...

You tried that line in another thread.

No one has said that ALL the deaths and injuries were caused by the black shirts.

Yes it was not just the black shirts but the reds too responsible for EVERY SINGLE DEATH AND INJURY

There is a law in the US and it states if you are part of a crime and somebody dies, you are responsible for that death. Example: You rob a bank with a friend and the police come and kill your friend because he is holding a weapon in a threatening manor. YOU are charged for murder. Not sure about Thailand but other states / countries have similar laws and it makes sense. Don't rob a bank and nobody dies.

[KhaoLaem]

I think it was stupidity that got out of control. This could be one of those turning points that will bring an end to the occupation. Apart from the hardcore Red Shirts, whose numbers are really very small, very few people around the country will not be shaking their heads in disgust. I'm surprized that the Red Shirts didn't complain to the World Court, the EU, and every embassy about the hospital evacuating its patients as it made them look bad.

Many Red Shirts are only there for the money. I don't think many of the folks at Rachaprasong really want to be associated with hoodlums who run amok in a hospital and cause its evacuation, and terrorists who shoot and kill people with high velocity rifles and grenades. Rural people are not like that. The longer it goes on, the more people will return home, like the 25 people from Pichit today.

Seh Daeng is now trying to stir up the crowd with his usual, "The Army is coming!" because the feeling isn't there anymore. Once the Red Shirts are boxed in, there's nothing else they can do. It will soon become pointless staying. Besides, the rainy season is coming.

I don't think there is any need for the Army to move in. The demonstration will die a natural death, though the hardcore people may have to be rounded up. It won't be long before the leaders are in jails for life, and then the problems can be addressed properly.

Anyway, that's my opinion.

[lannarebirth]

TAN Network: INN: Reds set up barriers in front of Chula Hospital again according to Gen Katiya's orders

THE NATION: reports from Chula hospital say reds r rebuilding blockade in front of the hospital after having taken it down earlier today.

MOTHER F*(#)@rs

Hey, maybe Thaksin is going to check in at Chula Hospital. Oh, wouldn't that be a hoot!

Maybe Thaksin is been treated for his comma or what so ever in Chula hospital, by Dr. Tul? You never know. This is quite possible.

In Bizarro World it is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bizarro_World

Edited April 30, 2010 by lannarebirth

[dobadoy]

YES, they are paid money and YES they do have their ID's confiscated ...

Man from Phichit asks Democrat to help send him, 24 friends home

BANGKOK: -- A man from Phichit went to the Democrat Party head office Friday and asked the party to help send him and 24 friends back home.

Kirkkiart Kulthonbodi came to the Democrat head office at 4 pm.

He said he joined the rally on Tuesday and was told he would be paid Bt200 or Bt300 a day.

He said he has not received any money so he and 24 friends decided to go home but they did not have money.

The man said 18 of 25 men from Phichit had their ID cards seized by some rally organisers.

Kirkkiart said he will have to return to the rally site to sign his name at 6 pm before sneaking out again.

Democrat MP from Phichit, Naraphat Kaewthong, took the man's phone number for contacting him later.

-- The Nation 2010-04-30

Don't be silly JC, you know that's not how it goes.

Surely this guy and his 18 friends are really yellow shirt infiltrators or army who've been spying in the rally for 7 weeks. Now they've been told to get out as the 'crackdown' is coming (seh daeng says so), but Suthep had the master idea of concocting this story to get them out and win a propaganda coup at the same time. Those poor reds, don't you think its suspicious all these things happening on the same day (Chula invasion, Dr Tul fleeing, kidnapped protesters), ITS A YELLOW CONSPIRACY - isn't that right levelhead, Winnie et al?? "The gov't did it"..."the Reds are saving the people from the elite"...(what's the next line, sorry I've forgotten though you've been blaring it in our ears for 7 weeks non stop...guess shit doesn't always stick after all)

[elcent]

He said he joined the rally on Tuesday and was told he would be paid Bt200 or Bt300 a day.

He said he has not received any money so he and 24 friends decided to go home but they did not have money.

LOL, they don't fight for Thaksin but for freedom and democracy, against those bloody oppressors!

I am looking at another angle.

Is this a proof that the RED never pay their protesters?

They were led to believe by the government/PAD/Multi-color/NBT/what ever, that the RED are paying 200-300 a day so they came. Now they are facing the truth, and want Mark to pick up their bill.

I find this angle quite amusing. I am sure most of you (including myself) don't believe it. :D

do you mean they try to double their wages? - blood money?

[warfie]

Just to remind those who may have missed it:

In Thailand the government is not elected by the people.

The people elect the members of the parliament, the House of Representatives and half the Senate. These MPs then elect the government. And for this, they may form alliances. That's what happened. First, a majority of MPs choose Samak who was found guilty of breaking the law. So they elected Thaksin's brother in law. But then a certain political party close to Thaksin and his BIL was found guilty of electoral fraud and the board incl. the then PM were banned from politics and the party dissolved.

That's when these remaining MPs (remember, they all got elected by the people), choose another PM, this time Abhisit.

Now, Sarahsbloke, please tell us what was wrong, illegal, unconstitutional here? Maybe you know something we don't know.

Ide also like to hear a response from the other side towards this claim...

Im not privy to the election process within Thailand... can you confirm or deny this... and if true, why are the reds crying undemocratic then??

Thailand uses a Parliamentary system. Please study political systems, there are plenty of websites out there that will explain to you how a Parliamentary system works. Use them. Read them.

So you dont know??

Or are you just a red supporter that cant answer my question??

SBK is a fair and even-handed moderator (I say that even though I've been on the wrong end of her whip once or twice, LOL) she has never show any leaning toward one side or the other AFAIK.

How a parliamentary system works has been explained in these threads ad-nauseum, no need to do it yet again.

Do you own research! The same as we all had to do.

[hextac]

A piece from breaking news...

"The doctors, who performed the autopsy, announced that the troop, Pvt Narongrit Sala, was killed by a bullet fired from a far distance and the bullet entered his left side of the brain."

I thought "official" story from BBC was that the soldier was killed from a close distance by policeman, after the soldier drove through the red barricade and was mistaken for a protester going at the army.

The "from a far distance" does not support the story. Did BBC get it wrong again?

I'm surprised the BBC correspondent hasn't got a red shirt on when reporting.

Got a source on that?

Yes, a source would be interesting.

Late last night, my wife watched a TV report showing the video that's been shown here, a group of people on bikes riding towards the line of soldiers when one of them is shot. They also showed pictures of a "third party" located on the side and reported that the soldier who was shot was shot through the head, and helmet from left side to right side. Conclusion was the soldier was not shot from the line of soldiers.

I (me) also note that a puff of smoke seen in the video from the right flank of the line of soldiers would not be from a high power rifle, which produces little or no smoke.

I think that puff of smoke (or two) is actually other bullets hitting the concrete support columns.

[jcbangkok]

Reds are running out of money and steam and followers and support.

Expect them to go home soon or do something very drastic that results in authorities being forced to enforce the law ... which has been their goal all along.

I have a feeling they may just go home since the tides have turned greatly and even if the government is forced to move in there will be little to no sympathy for them regardless of how many edited CD's they distribute ... actually not to many people cared on the 10th either but this time I think most would cheer.

[dobadoy]

I think it was stupidity that got out of control. This could be one of those turning points that will bring an end to the occupation. Apart from the hardcore Red Shirts, whose numbers are really very small, very few people around the country will not be shaking their heads in disgust. I'm surprized that the Red Shirts didn't complain to the World Court, the EU, and every embassy about the hospital evacuating its patients as it made them look bad.

Many Red Shirts are only there for the money. I don't think many of the folks at Rachaprasong really want to be associated with hoodlums who run amok in a hospital and cause its evacuation, and terrorists who shoot and kill people with high velocity rifles and grenades. Rural people are not like that. The longer it goes on, the more people will return home, like the 25 people from Pichit today.

Seh Daeng is now trying to stir up the crowd with his usual, "The Army is coming!" because the feeling isn't there anymore. Once the Red Shirts are boxed in, there's nothing else they can do. It will soon become pointless staying. Besides, the rainy season is coming.

I don't think there is any need for the Army to move in. The demonstration will die a natural death, though the hardcore people may have to be rounded up. It won't be long before the leaders are in jails for life, and then the problems can be addressed properly.

Anyway, that's my opinion.

Mine too, unless the gov't now makes a blunder by deciding to take action. All they need to do is get those non-red loving southern/kanchanaburi troops in front of the barricades instead of those Khon Kaen 'riot troops' I saw last week. Keep them kettled in, don't let any mobile rallies get out, let them implode.

[way2muchcoffee]

Man from Phichit asks Democrat to help send him, 24 friends home

BANGKOK: -- A man from Phichit went to the Democrat Party head office Friday and asked the party to help send him and 24 friends back home.

More evidence that many of the red shirts are being VICTIMIZED by their very own warlord leaders. They may have indeed been recruited to earn some money and have some excitement in the big city and conform to the red leadership of their home locality. But now many of them realize they have been duped by big money forces that do not have their interests in mind at all. Freedom and democracy indeed. Remember, this is how the red leaders abuse their OWN people. Does any foreigner STILL seriously believe the red shirts are a pro-freedom and democracy movement? How can you?

Add a few more people to the list of Isaan non-red supporters.

[chantorn]

I would also love this to be reported internationally, the fact that many of their so called freedom fighters are being held against their will by intimidation tactics.

Freedom fighters & terrorist are the same group of people.

The only different is, if you win or loss the war.

Good luck both sides.

The term "Freedom Fighters" denotes connotations of say the French Underground during WW2 that over threw the Nazis.

The term "Terrorists" denotes connotations of Al Queda ... bombing markets etc... attacks on civilian targets.

I think saying "Good luck to both sides" is in bad taste to both the Government, the Reds and Thai people in general.

This isn't a war yet... and you don't want one.

Cheers

Quick question.

The Taliban fighting the Soviet, and now the Americans.

What shall we call them?

Freedom fighters of their mother land; or terrorist of the western world?

[mazeltov]

Samak -- red shirt hero, Thaksin puppet PM, chef, implicated in the 1976 mass murder of peaceful, non-violent Thai students at Thammasat U.

Did he? Source?

Dr. Weng and Prof. Giles Ji Ungpakorn might argue that way. Not exactly leading figures of the anti-red movement.

Common knowledge, boychik. Google it yourself.

"In 1992, as Deputy Prime Minister in the Suchinda administration, Samak justified the military's brutal suppression of pro-democracy demonstrators by declaring that the government had the right to do so as long as the US could send troops to kill people in other countries,"

wikipedia Samak_Sundaravej

If you read the bios of some of these key players you'll find that they've been all over the political map. That they've suppressed and killed demonstrators when they were in power. It's a never ending cycle.

Do you know who Dr. Weng and Prof. Giles Ji Ungpakorn are?

And your fact taken from wikipedia might be coming from a book that is banned in Thailand. Guess why.

I don't say Samak was a good guy but you should better studies all the circumstances and the historical context too before you start throwing mud at the reds.

[elcent]

Just speaking to some Thais now who confirm this, but who knows in this world of rumours? Anyway, the barrier is now back to full strength

5 minutes ago via TweetCaster

Let me clarify, 'Yellows' about attack. I believe word came thru that riot cops were planning to take swift advantage of the weak defences

9 minutes ago via TweetCaster

[hammered]

Reds are running out of money and steam and followers and support.

Expect them to go home soon or do something very drastic that results in authorities being forced to enforce the law ... which has been their goal all along.

I have a feeling they may just go home since the tides have turned greatly and even if the government is forced to move in there will be little to no sympathy for them regardless of how many edited CD's they distribute ... actually not to many people cared on the 10th either but this time I think most would cheer.

Andrew Marshall in that piece that slagged of the British government decison to label all of Thailand a no go zone said they were diminshing in number and isolated to one small area of Bangkok

[mazeltov]

Prove it. Your statement is at odds with almost every report by domestic and international journalists.

What latest investigation? Got a source for that latest investigation?

What was exaggerated about the deaths? Got a source for that one too?

Enlighten us please mazeltov

An independent committee probing drug-related killings during the first Thaksin Shinawatra government has found no concrete evidence linking senior figures with the murders, a Justice Ministry source said yesterday.

After five months of inquiries, the panel, led by former attorney general Khanit na Nakhon, has obtained only statistical details about the number and nature of the murders.

But no conclusion that would implicate police or Thaksin as the instigator of the shoot-to-kill policy has been reached.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2008/01/16...al_30062378.php

a lot of the death were just "normal homicides" that would had occurred without war on drugs or not.

Re: former attorney general Khanit na Nakhon

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/board/thai...24&offset=0

I thought they were being polite in this article. Umm... not exaggerating.

Whats your point? Not so nice people in the JUNTA team? guess why the reds are out in the streets and protest.

[jcbangkok]

They did not "storm" the hospital. They entered it and searched it because they believed it was being used by the army to set up an operation against them.

Nobody was hurt

No damage was done.

The hospital reacted by evacuated most of the patients (why) nobody interfered with the medical staff or patients. Good theater though...Bet the Nation lapped it up.

They have offered a public apology

They have admitted that it was wrong.

They fuc_ked up. It was not a smart move....

They are mostly feeling embarrassed and trying to explain, or make excuses for their bad behavior.....

The US, UK and allies invaded Iraq because they believed that Iraq had WMD's They fuc_ked up as well....no WMD's..oh dear....get over it.

People fuc_k up...especially when under severe stress.....get over it.

Wait 24 hrs....the government will almost certainly fuc_k up even more...they will probably send in troops to occupy a hospital now because

they figure that the reds won't risk another "storming".......then we can start all over again...and get over that too.

I'm very sorry this happened. On behalf of all Thaksin/Red apologists....we are very very sorry. We have apologised OK... ..but we are watching

next time the other side fuc_ks up...you are gonna hear from us ...at least 40 pages of "told you so's", but most of us seem to have a better vocabulary

range than the anti-reds, so we will used better, more original and even kinder language on you. Won't take long, stay tuned....

Oh, this is a classic. I don't feel the need to comment. I will not used more better languages to insult you.

Quite the classic! Hey vicco, i'm staying tuned mate, can't wait for the 'more original and even kinder language' that you 'will used' Marvellous display of stupidity. (reds or vicco? You decide )

There you go....I made a small typing error and wrote "used" instead of "use".....I realize typing errors and misspelled words are rare.. on here so yes I feel really stupid in the presence of such articulate and high minded company. I will try to be more careful in the future. You notice that I never call anyone stupid...even if I think they are, and I'm not going to start even if you think it's a clever thing to say about someone you know absolutely nothing about. I will say this much. My tongue in cheek comments on language use were followed by a .... I think most people with any sense of humor or intelligence would understand the spirit in which such a remark was made.....but I could be wrong...this forum is full of surprises.

Now back to the mud slinging...we're not even up to 50 pages yet.

We didn't do it.

It was fake reds.

We are sorry we did it.

We will stop blocking the entrance to the hospital.

It was the armies fault.

We will do it again if needed.

We are going to block the hospital again.

And above all please don't talk about the fact this is not the first time we stormed a hospital.

PS. Didn't anybody see those corpses we stole from the hospital a few weeks back? We seem to have misplaced them.

[landofthefree]

yeh i know av/goverment, their media and lackeys are trying to blame all the 25 deaths and 800 injuries on the black shirts...

and trying to whitewash their part in the bloodbath...

You tried that line in another thread.

No one has said that ALL the deaths and injuries were caused by the black shirts.

Yes it was not just the black shirts but the reds too responsible for EVERY SINGLE DEATH AND INJURY

There is a law in the US and it states if you are part of a crime and somebody dies, you are responsible for that death. Example: You rob a bank with a friend and the police come and kill your friend because he is holding a weapon in a threatening manor. YOU are charged for murder. Not sure about Thailand but other states / countries have similar laws and it makes sense. Don't rob a bank and nobody dies.

Well,JC, thank goodness we dont live in America with their crazy laws, love of the death penalty which is banned in civilised contries ie all of Europe etc etc I can understand why so mant ex pats here are American

[jdinasia]

Do you know who Dr. Weng and Prof. Giles Ji Ungpakorn are?

And your fact taken from wikipedia might be coming from a book that is banned in Thailand. Guess why.

I don't say Samak was a good guy but you should better studies all the circumstances and the historical context too before you start throwing mud at the reds.

Ummm Dr Weng --- Senior Core member of the Reds --- known Maoist --- spokesman for the Red shirts when they met with the government --- has openly called for violence against the legal sitting government.

Giles U ... had to run from Thailand back to the UK. Wrote the Red Siam Manifesto. There was a Red Siam stage not too long ago. Giles is an outspoken red that has appeared on red stages along side red core leaders. Giles has spoken out against the monarchy. Giles was turned in for his crimes apparently by his coworkers.

So, we have Dr Weng --- core leader of the Reds and violent, and Giles U. who has appeared on red stages and is no longer welcome in Thailand (without having to answer for L.M. charges). A Maoist and a Marxist that are openly associated with , or are directly red shirt core leaders ---

Now --- what is your point?

[elcent]

tulsathit: RT @veen_NT: RT @lekasina: Troop slain at Don Muang clash killed by high-velocity bullet: doctors http://is.gd/bOjie

Fri Apr 30 2010 18:45:38 GMT+0700 (SE Asia Standard Time)

[humfurry]

Whats your point? Not so nice people in the JUNTA team? guess why the reds are out in the streets and protest.

One of Thaksins cronies leading the investigating that you point too as evidence of his innocence in the extra judicial killings of so called drug dealers? If it had been one person killed it would have been too many... Interesting too that you refer to his police as a Junta.

You might want to put a not on your computer screen... "No Drunk Posting"

Just saying

[chantorn]

tulsathit: RT @veen_NT: RT @lekasina: Troop slain at Don Muang clash killed by high-velocity bullet: doctors http://is.gd/bOjie

Fri Apr 30 2010 18:45:38 GMT+0700 (SE Asia Standard Time)

Can the pistol shown in AJZ fire a high-velocity bullet?

Or it is the job of a sniper?

[Mosha]

Do what Caesar did in Gaul. Surround their barricade with a better one.

[rabo]

I would also love this to be reported internationally, the fact that many of their so called freedom fighters are being held against their will by intimidation tactics.

Freedom fighters & terrorist are the same group of people.

The only different is, if you win or loss the war.

Good luck both sides.

The term "Freedom Fighters" denotes connotations of say the French Underground during WW2 that over threw the Nazis.

The term "Terrorists" denotes connotations of Al Queda ... bombing markets etc... attacks on civilian targets.

I think saying "Good luck to both sides" is in bad taste to both the Government, the Reds and Thai people in general.

This isn't a war yet... and you don't want one.

Cheers

Quick question.

The Taliban fighting the Soviet, and now the Americans.

What shall we call them?

Freedom fighters of their mother land; or terrorist of the western world?

You should read some of the things they do to their own people, then make up your own mind.

[Herm]

tulsathit: RT @veen_NT: RT @lekasina: Troop slain at Don Muang clash killed by high-velocity bullet: doctors http://is.gd/bOjie

Fri Apr 30 2010 18:45:38 GMT+0700 (SE Asia Standard Time)

Can the pistol shown in AJZ fire a high-velocity bullet?

Or it is the job of a sniper?

no high velocity bullets from pistols .. it was a rifle - probably sniper

Edited April 30, 2010 by Herm

[mazeltov]

Do you know who Dr. Weng and Prof. Giles Ji Ungpakorn are?

And your fact taken from wikipedia might be coming from a book that is banned in Thailand. Guess why.

I don't say Samak was a good guy but you should better studies all the circumstances and the historical context too before you start throwing mud at the reds.

Ummm Dr Weng --- Senior Core member of the Reds --- known Maoist --- spokesman for the Red shirts when they met with the government --- has openly called for violence against the legal sitting government.

Giles U ... had to run from Thailand back to the UK. Wrote the Red Siam Manifesto. There was a Red Siam stage not too long ago. Giles is an outspoken red that has appeared on red stages along side red core leaders. Giles has spoken out against the monarchy. Giles was turned in for his crimes apparently by his coworkers.

So, we have Dr Weng --- core leader of the Reds and violent, and Giles U. who has appeared on red stages and is no longer welcome in Thailand (without having to answer for L.M. charges). A Maoist and a Marxist that are openly associated with , or are directly red shirt core leaders ---

Now --- what is your point?

Dude. the context comes with October 1976.

[rabo]

Do what Caesar did in Gaul. Surround their barricade with a better one.

I have thought that too, build a large concrete wall and some doors. Above the doors write "Bangkok Prison II".

Loss of face will send many home.

Edited April 30, 2010 by rabo

[phuketkenny]

I posted this on the other thread, but am re-posting it here, as I would welcome thoughts on this:

I have a feeling (confirmed by Weng's "apology" this morning), that we have seen the last of the violence. The Vibhavadi Road incident was a turning point. The Reds are losing the propaganda war. Thaksin's confiscated money has today be transferred out of his and his kids frozen accounts and to the Ministry of Finance.

The battle is over. It's now all about face-saving. How do both sides end this without looking like they lost? My bet is a third party (I don't mean the King) will have to come in and negotiate. I doubt it will be EU/UN because that would be unacceptable to the gov't. Must be some respected and neutral person within Thai life, if there is any left?

Anybody?

Well the key is the money. Stop paying the rural poor and feeding them and they would be gone in a flash. The Ministry may have confiscated the funds, but about 2 Billion ( ? ) was moved out of their accounts after the court order but before this transfer. So, with even only 10,000 left to pay and feed at 1 Million a day, they could keep going for another 1000 days or another three years if there is no governemt action, and still have 1 billion left for the after the storm party.

Hard for foreigners to understand why the can not plug the cash flow.

[way2muchcoffee]

Thaksin killed nobody. And the number of 2600+ Thai killed in the war of drug exaggerated and outdated and not conform with the latest investigation.

Prove it. Your statement is at odds with almost every report by domestic and international journalists.

What latest investigation? Got a source for that latest investigation?

What was exaggerated about the deaths? Got a source for that one too?

Enlighten us please mazeltov

An independent committee probing drug-related killings during the first Thaksin Shinawatra government has found no concrete evidence linking senior figures with the murders, a Justice Ministry source said yesterday.

After five months of inquiries, the panel, led by former attorney general Khanit na Nakhon, has obtained only statistical details about the number and nature of the murders.

But no conclusion that would implicate police or Thaksin as the instigator of the shoot-to-kill policy has been reached.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2008/01/16...al_30062378.php

a lot of the death were just "normal homicides" that would had occurred without war on drugs or not.

Have you read the article? Let me quote in full:

An independent committee probing drug-related killings during the first Thaksin Shinawatra government has found no concrete evidence linking senior figures with the murders, a Justice Ministry source said yesterday.

Published on January 16, 2008

After five months of inquiries, the panel, led by former attorney general Khanit na Nakhon, has obtained only statistical details about the number and nature of the murders.

But no conclusion that would implicate police or Thaksin as the instigator of the shoot-to-kill policy has been reached.

The panel's report will be submitted to the Cabinet today. It's main content is facts and government records showing how Thaksin's order was carried out from top to bottom through the bureaucracy.

One of the most potent pieces of evidence is that an anti-narcotics centre under the Interior Ministry was ordered to issue a blacklist naming drug dealers and users nationwide, as well as an appraisal measure to show a "decline" in the number of people blacklisted.

But the report contained no conclusion that may subject an individual to criminal liability.

The outcome is likely to be considered by many as a failure, because the panel's objective was to bring those responsible for the murders to justice - be they police officers or anyone in higher authority who encouraged extrajudicial killings.

The Khanit na Nakhon panel is said to have opted not to name at least three political office-holders involved in administering Thaksin's highly controversial policy, despite discovering their involvement.

The report said 2,819 people were killed in 2,559 murder cases between February and April in 2003. Of those killed, 1,370 were related to drug dealing, while 878 of them were not. Another 571 people were killed without apparent reason.

Some 54 people were killed in shootouts with police officers, 41 with known drug-related links but two without any known ties. Another 11 people were killed but it is not known how they were involved in the shootouts.

The overall murder rate two years before and two years after the three-month 'War on Drugs' was 454 cases a month, or a third of the number killed between February and April 2003.

1) So nearly 1000 people were murdered in the war on drugs who did not have any relation to drug dealing.

2) Almost 600 people were murdered without any reason whatsoever.

3) No individuals were found to be guilty of this atrocity.

Comment: You really should read the articles you present as proof for your claims.

Edited April 30, 2010 by way2muchcoffee

[zaphodbeeblebrox]

I don't think there is any need for the Army to move in. The demonstration will die a natural death, though the hardcore people may have to be rounded up. It won't be long before the leaders are in jails for life, and then the problems can be addressed properly.

Anyway, that's my opinion.

Well, there is one thing that needs to be immediately addressed. Two hospital employees were kidnapped. A pretty serious criminal offense. Have their been any arrests, any investigation, at all? Lawlessness has reigned during these demonstrations. Justice delayed is justice denied.

[chantorn]

I once saw a movie, cannot remember the name.

One US senator (cannot remember name) was supply RPG/ground to air missiles to the Taliban to shoot down Soviet airplane / helicopters for years.

So, are they freedom fighters of their mother land; or terrorist of the western world?