Chulalongkorn Hospital Evacuated After Stormed By Red-Shirts

[way2muchcoffee]

Do you know who Dr. Weng and Prof. Giles Ji Ungpakorn are?

And your fact taken from wikipedia might be coming from a book that is banned in Thailand. Guess why.

I don't say Samak was a good guy but you should better studies all the circumstances and the historical context too before you start throwing mud at the reds.

Ummm Dr Weng --- Senior Core member of the Reds --- known Maoist --- spokesman for the Red shirts when they met with the government --- has openly called for violence against the legal sitting government.

Giles U ... had to run from Thailand back to the UK. Wrote the Red Siam Manifesto. There was a Red Siam stage not too long ago. Giles is an outspoken red that has appeared on red stages along side red core leaders. Giles has spoken out against the monarchy. Giles was turned in for his crimes apparently by his coworkers.

So, we have Dr Weng --- core leader of the Reds and violent, and Giles U. who has appeared on red stages and is no longer welcome in Thailand (without having to answer for L.M. charges). A Maoist and a Marxist that are openly associated with , or are directly red shirt core leaders ---

Now --- what is your point?

I think his point was that it is understood by all and sundry that maoist and marxist philpsophies fully endorse the choice of a constitutional monarchy as an appropriate form of political structure for a country.

[gymboy33]

THE NATION: Police didn't notice it but Nation's Crime editor Preecha notices he's seen the face of this Reds guard before

http://www.oknation.net/blog/preecha/2010/04/30/entry-1

i can't remember what he was wanted for

was it for killing a policeman?

anyone help out?

for the barnham house grenade attack...

[deadsnoopy]

I'm going to try a divert attention away from Charlie Wilson, Afghanistan and drug traffickers ...and towards an actual solution to the problem. Anyone?

[elcent]

internal relocation at Chulalongkorn hospital, so sad ...

[hammered]

THE NATION: Police didn't notice it but Nation's Crime editor Preecha notices he's seen the face of this Reds guard before

http://www.oknation.net/blog/preecha/2010/04/30/entry-1

i can't remember what he was wanted for

was it for killing a policeman?

anyone help out?

he was seen at the hospital last night

Wonder if the red shirts will be handing him over? Maybe he will suddenly become a fake

[sharkwatch]

Henri Dunant defences been toughened up. They've certainly got some menacing looking black shirts here. Couldn't even get a smile out of 'em

less than 20 seconds ago via web

best would be to wait till the mob is starting trouble and then just hold position so the world can see

How would that solve anything? Seriously guys, cracking down on the red shirts will not solve anything. The government needs to address the root cause of the problem. Cracking down on them or dispersing them will just make them regroup elsewhere. This problem isn't going away.

sorry i did not say crackdown i said wait for them dont advance but hold your position

[timekeeper]

THE NATION: Police didn't notice it but Nation's Crime editor Preecha notices he's seen the face of this Reds guard before

http://www.oknation.net/blog/preecha/2010/04/30/entry-1

i can't remember what he was wanted for

was it for killing a policeman?

anyone help out?

for the barnham house grenade attack...

thank you

looks like a pretty good likeness to me.......

[hammered]

THE NATION: Police didn't notice it but Nation's Crime editor Preecha notices he's seen the face of this Reds guard before

http://www.oknation.net/blog/preecha/2010/04/30/entry-1

i can't remember what he was wanted for

was it for killing a policeman?

anyone help out?

for the barnham house grenade attack...

So now there is a positive link between the reds andf the grenade attacks. Very bad day for the red team PRwise

[way2muchcoffee]

Man from Phichit asks Democrat to help send him, 24 friends home

BANGKOK: -- A man from Phichit went to the Democrat Party head office Friday and asked the party to help send him and 24 friends back home.

Add a few more people to the list of Isaan non-red supporters.

Mr. Expert, Phichit isn't exactly in Isaan, but keep on going with your stereotyping and simplifying if it helps your agenda.

Fair enough. My mistake. I was wrong. I apologize. I can admit when I am wrong or mistaken.

[lannarebirth]

THE NATION: Police didn't notice it but Nation's Crime editor Preecha notices he's seen the face of this Reds guard before

http://www.oknation.net/blog/preecha/2010/04/30/entry-1

i can't remember what he was wanted for

was it for killing a policeman?

anyone help out?

for the barnham house grenade attack...

Oh Hoooooooo!

[lazurus]

The victors write the history. Lets hope it's not that Montenegraian.

Today he's Ugandan

Only if you believe the FM's propaganda.

Better to listen to the red's propaganda

Thaksin says he's in Uganda

to know if he's alive

Check twitter and hi 5

Soon he'll scurry back to Montenegro

So much for your hero

End his life on the run

Seh Daeng get a gun

For the reds it's not funny

When they've run out of money

Run back to Isaan

Just as fast as you can

Put your vote up for sale

Hope you stay out of jail

Edited April 30, 2010 by lazurus

[deadsnoopy]

sorry i did not say crackdown i said wait for them dont advance but hold your position

'Hold position' won't solve anything either. Abhisit needs to start addressing the problem.

[rabo]

TheRussians they were terrorists.

To the Americans they were freedom fighters, who after being abandoned became terrorists.

To most Afaganis, they are a plague similar to the red shirts, but much more puritanical.

To their brainwashed devotees to 7th century Islamic lifestyle they are freedom fighters.

Similar to the brain washed indoctrination of the red shirts, they have been told so often

and so excluding other options of thought that they think ONLY WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN TOLD TO THINK.

So to make a relational comparision of Red Shirts methods and Taliban methods is not a stretch,

even if the end goals are much different.

In my conclusion,

Freedom fighters & terrorist are the same group of people.

The only different is, if you win or loss the war.

Bad Good luck both sides.

Under the taliban, no one has any freedom, girls cannot go to school, no music anywhere, cut your tongue out if you say something bad. Cannot be freedom fighters, I think.

[Redsunset]

Henri Dunant defences been toughened up. They've certainly got some menacing looking black shirts here. Couldn't even get a smile out of 'em

less than 20 seconds ago via web

best would be to wait till the mob is starting trouble and then just hold position so the world can see

How would that solve anything? Seriously guys, cracking down on the red shirts will not solve anything. The government needs to address the root cause of the problem. Cracking down on them or dispersing them will just make them regroup elsewhere. This problem isn't going away.

Fair comment.... what is the root cause of the problem in your opinion?

[deadsnoopy]

The victors write the history. Lets hope it's not that Montenegraian.

Today he's Ugandan

Only if you believe the FM's propaganda.

Better to listen to the red's propaganda

Thaksin says he's in Uganda

He's in Uganda, but that doesn't make him Ugandan. What kind of logic is that? If I travel to England, does that make me British? And then I take a flight to Rome, so the next day I'm an Italian?

[hammered]

Lets note the requerst by medical groups for them to clear the hospital by 100m has been ignored. Now both the police and Chjula hospitals are blocked again

[jcbangkok]

1) So nearly 1000 people were murdered in the war on drugs who did not have any relation to drug dealing.

2) Almost 600 people were murdered without any reason whatsoever.

3) No individuals were found to be guilty of this atrocity.

Comment: You really should read the articles you present as proof for your claims.

yes the claim of 2600+ innocent victims killed by Thaksin is nonsense.

The non-drug related homicide cases were crimes commitedby other motivations. robbery, domestic violence, crimes of passion whatever.

Drug related murders were also mafia infights, junkies killing people, drug dealers killing other drug dealers and so on. violent times of course. the murder rate were higher than usual. The climate during the war on drugs made people trigger happy. it was maybe not the best policy to solve the problem.

but the number 2600+ is a statistical figure that cannot be filed under 'war on drugs'.

so speaking of 2600+ victims of extrajudicial killings is a false statement.

in the other thread, talking about red shirt death, you wanted explain me that murder by law enforcement authorities are legal and justified. some people argue the same in the war on drugs, not me.

people died, its sad, but stick to the facts and don't exaggerate or use false claims for a political propaganda campaign.

"Beginning in February 2003, the Thaksin government instructed police and local officials that persons charged with drug offenses should be considered “security threats” and dealt with in a “ruthless” and “severe” manner. The result of the initial three-month phase of this campaign was some 2,275 extrajudicial killings"

See Human Rights Watch group ... http://www.hrw.org/campaigns/aids/2004/thai.htm

Edited April 30, 2010 by jcbangkok

[way2muchcoffee]

When the red guards got H1N1 flu they were happy to use Bangkok's hospitals. Now they are interfering with the public's right to have the same sort of access. Taking down the barricades earlier must have been an attempt to smooth over public relations, maybe CNN and BBC went home for the evening so the barricades went back up.

Was there ever any UDD confirmation that there were really guards that had H1N1? Not just a 'scare-tactic'?

Yes.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home/2010/...u-30127934.html

Edited April 30, 2010 by way2muchcoffee

[Redsunset]

BANGKOK: -- A man from Phichit went to the Democrat Party head office Friday and asked the party to help send him and 24 friends back home.

Add a few more people to the list of Isaan non-red supporters.

Mr. Expert, Phichit isn't exactly in Isaan, but keep on going with your stereotyping and simplifying if it helps your agenda.

Fair enough. My mistake. I was wrong. I apologize. I can admit when I am wrong or mistaken.

Who cares where he is from... obviously he was supposed to get his "per diem" and did not.... they must be running low on funds? Or this guy just did not fit who they were looking for? Who knows!!!

[elcent]

OMG

Chavalit was wearing full army uniform when handed over his letter clarifying the allegation that he was involved in an alleged plot against national security and the monarchy to the CRES.

He's degraded to a Dodo, rife for extinction

[animatic]

Do what Caesar did in Gaul. Surround their barricade with a better one.

I have thought that too, build a large concrete wall and some doors. Above the doors write "Bangkok Prison II".

Loss of face will send many home.

You mean "Bangkok Hyatt II".

Ah, Paris Hilton II ??

[Redsunset]

If Abhisit holds on till June, then he can say he will in fact agree with the red shirts and dissolve Parliament... that gives him a total of six months [including the three it takes to gear new elections up from June], which is what he wanted!

Edited April 30, 2010 by Redsunset

[sharkwatch]

sorry i did not say crackdown i said wait for them dont advance but hold your position

'Hold position' won't solve anything either. Abhisit needs to start addressing the problem.

so what you saying is let them take over the rest of town ? No ! can you imagine them roaming free in bangkok

[Chaimai]

Better to listen to the red's propaganda

Thaksin says he's in Uganda

He's in Uganda, but that doesn't make him Ugandan. What kind of logic is that? If I travel to England, does that make me British? And then I take a flight to Rome, so the next day I'm an Italian?

Of course not - but he was the one who allegedly said he was now Montenegran.

[hammered]

Take a look at the unmentionable ones piece on the rebuilding of the roadblock. It makes the police sound like they are spokepeople for the violent armed red group

[deadsnoopy]

How would that solve anything? Seriously guys, cracking down on the red shirts will not solve anything. The government needs to address the root cause of the problem. Cracking down on them or dispersing them will just make them regroup elsewhere. This problem isn't going away.

Fair comment.... what is the root cause of the problem in your opinion?

The military coup. The fact that many pro-TRT/PPP/Puea Thai voters believe the election was robbed from them and a puppet government installed by the army. It doesn't help either that Abhisit goes on BBC HardTalk and talks openly that he's not making decisions, but the army is. If Abhisit really has the majority of Thais behind him, he should hold elections and confirm his mandate. To average Thai, he lost the election and became Prime Minister. A lot of red shirt supporters I know don't even support Thaksin and don't want him to come back.

What's so wrong with holding elections? The Democrats are on their way out anyways, through the Election Commission that will eventually dissolve them, we all know that.

Hanging on at all cost and risking a civil war breaking out in Thailand ...I don't know, just doesn't seem worth it. Chavalit today suggested a power-sharing interim government of all parties in Thailand until elections can be held. Doesn't seem like a bad option to me.

[sharkwatch]

How would that solve anything? Seriously guys, cracking down on the red shirts will not solve anything. The government needs to address the root cause of the problem. Cracking down on them or dispersing them will just make them regroup elsewhere. This problem isn't going away.

Fair comment.... what is the root cause of the problem in your opinion?

The military coup. The fact that many pro-TRT/PPP/Puea Thai voters believe the election was robbed from them and a puppet government installed by the army. It doesn't help either that Abhisit goes on BBC HardTalk and talks openly that he's not making decisions, but the army is. If Abhisit really has the majority of Thais behind him, he should hold elections and confirm his mandate. To average Thai, he lost the election and became Prime Minister. A lot of red shirt supporters I know don't even support Thaksin and don't want him to come back.

What's so wrong with holding elections? The Democrats are on their way out anyways, through the Election Commission that will eventually dissolve them, we all know that.

Hanging on at all cost and risking a civil war breaking out in Thailand ...I don't know, just doesn't seem worth it. Chavalit today suggested a power-sharing interim government of all parties in Thailand until elections can be held. Doesn't seem like a bad option to me.

if you quote quote all i never say crackdown - sure that would not help see posting

[hextac]

Better to listen to the red's propaganda

Thaksin says he's in Uganda

He's in Uganda, but that doesn't make him Ugandan. What kind of logic is that? If I travel to England, does that make me British? And then I take a flight to Rome, so the next day I'm an Italian?

Of course not - but he was the one who allegedly said he was now Montenegran.

He is Montenegrin he has citizenship, passport, etc.

[lannarebirth]

How would that solve anything? Seriously guys, cracking down on the red shirts will not solve anything. The government needs to address the root cause of the problem. Cracking down on them or dispersing them will just make them regroup elsewhere. This problem isn't going away.

Fair comment.... what is the root cause of the problem in your opinion?

The military coup. The fact that many pro-TRT/PPP/Puea Thai voters believe the election was robbed from them and a puppet government installed by the army. It doesn't help either that Abhisit goes on BBC HardTalk and talks openly that he's not making decisions, but the army is. If Abhisit really has the majority of Thais behind him, he should hold elections and confirm his mandate. To average Thai, he lost the election and became Prime Minister. A lot of red shirt supporters I know don't even support Thaksin and don't want him to come back.

What's so wrong with holding elections? The Democrats are on their way out anyways, through the Election Commission that will eventually dissolve them, we all know that.

Hanging on at all cost and risking a civil war breaking out in Thailand ...I don't know, just doesn't seem worth it. Chavalit today suggested a power-sharing interim government of all parties in Thailand until elections can be held. Doesn't seem like a bad option to me.

Why would a civil war breakout because elections are held 8 months from today and not 3 months from today? Particularly since the government has the right to run another 20 months before elections.

[hammered]

How would that solve anything? Seriously guys, cracking down on the red shirts will not solve anything. The government needs to address the root cause of the problem. Cracking down on them or dispersing them will just make them regroup elsewhere. This problem isn't going away.

Fair comment.... what is the root cause of the problem in your opinion?

The military coup. The fact that many pro-TRT/PPP/Puea Thai voters believe the election was robbed from them and a puppet government installed by the army. It doesn't help either that Abhisit goes on BBC HardTalk and talks openly that he's not making decisions, but the army is. If Abhisit really has the majority of Thais behind him, he should hold elections and confirm his mandate. To average Thai, he lost the election and became Prime Minister. A lot of red shirt supporters I know don't even support Thaksin and don't want him to come back.

What's so wrong with holding elections? The Democrats are on their way out anyways, through the Election Commission that will eventually dissolve them, we all know that.

Hanging on at all cost and risking a civil war breaking out in Thailand ...I don't know, just doesn't seem worth it. Chavalit today suggested a power-sharing interim government of all parties in Thailand until elections can be held. Doesn't seem like a bad option to me.

That is entirely the red arguement. Nobody else is to blame except everyone the reds dont like. Chavlits main incentive is to protect his overexposed ass.

Did anyone see ch3 the other day?