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bendejo Ruby Member

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THE NATION: Thaksin: I just echoed an astrologer's prediction when I said I would come back before year end.

For someone who puts so much faith in fortune tellers this guy has had a terrible run

THE NATION: Thaksin on his health: "I'm just getting older. I still weigh the same as when I was PM. My hair not falling off yet."

This means he is rapidly losing weight and he wears a hair piece. This man is the anti-Socrates.

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OhDear Rookie Member

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Imaginary negotiations:

Hey the shadows are slipping! Taksin in a conference call with the goons about whether to accept the terms or not? Hey Taksin, you're not involved in this, remember?

Please, please, please. Thanksin is spelling with 'H'.

It has been spelt like that until only recently.

'TAKSIN' is the shortname/part of the Somdet Phra Chao Taksin Maharat; The (Thai) King of the Thonburi Kingdom whom Thaksin wants to up level himself with!!!

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Tod Daniels Gold Member

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According to the Bangkok Post newspaper, the government is open to talks about an amnesty for people who have violated the ban on gatherings, but not for those who have committed criminal offences.

Best frickin' news I've read all day. The red leaders who are the main instigators of ALL the violence as evidenced by their 'fire-brand' rhetoric from the stage at Phan-Fa and now Rachaprasong need to be held 100% accountable for their actions.

Anyone who understands even 2-word-tourist-thai and tunes in to Red Rachaprasong Radio can hear quite quickly that the red leaders aren't preachin'; peace, love, flower-power as a way out of this.

Let the rank-&-file 'sheep-like' protestors go home. However people who have tried to push for a violent confrontation nearly every day by their speeches (and actions) as the solution to this problem should be prosecuted.

As an aside; quite the rainstorm now here at Suk/Asok where I live, hopefully the fires burning in the bellies of the protestors are being quenched as we speak down at Rachaprasong, and by Chula too. Leave it to good ol' Mother Nature to dampen their spirit., :)

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ozzieman05 Gold Member

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If the red shirt leaders don't get amnesty as part of this deal, how can they say yes to it? This isn't over.

This is what I have been saying for a while now

This is not about the Northern poor

but all about the red shirt thugs

We are Taskins most loved so we are protected

It is the man on the land that must give blood no the leaders

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ozzieman05 Gold Member

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guys, even the compromise from abhisit is all smoke and mirrors, the fact is he does not have the balls to deal with the situation properly so I can't believe that anyone is surprised by this.

Out of the woodwork

come the defeated

Late minute stand to save face

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ChiangMaiFun Platinum Member

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If the red shirt leaders don't get amnesty as part of this deal, how can they say yes to it? This isn't over.

This is what I have been saying for a while now

This is not about the Northern poor

but all about the red shirt thugs

We are Taskins most loved so we are protected

It is the man on the land that must give blood no the leaders

haha you do make me laugh :)

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Redsunset Advanced Member

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guys, even the compromise from abhisit is all smoke and mirrors, the fact is he does not have the balls to deal with the situation properly so I can't believe that anyone is surprised by this.

Tony, my sentiments exactly.

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Redsunset Advanced Member

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NO NO I AM SERIOUSLY PISSED THEY ARE EVEN CONSIDERING THIS

After all we've been through... they are just gonna walk???

No. Just no.

Imagine.... you get a ticket for a traffic violation and these scoundrels get amnesty for breaking every law under the Emergency Decree, let alone murder.

No wonder people are pissed off.... there needs to be justice so that people won't do it again and it serves as proper deterrence.

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jdinasia Star Member

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you want Peace or what....???/

It is normal for ending such a crisis that an amnesty covering nearly all the facts is part of the final agreement. However people directly involved with blood on their hand should not be included.

Absence of such a clausus can only bring resurgences of conflicts.

Hang on a second, by granting amnesty you only set yourself up for a repeat. Take the city hostage etc etc (but no worries because we will make amnesty part of any settlement).

If the BKK post take on this is correct (as quoted in the AFP article) then I am all for an amnesty. The charges that could be brought against EVERY redshirt that stayed after they were warned to leave and the consequences of remaining would be wiped away. The leaders that did not incite violence, call for violence, threaten violence, approve of violence, know of violence etc would be covered by the amnesty too. It does appear that the government has enough evidence to convict many of the leaders of those criminal acts and they'd hear the snapping sound of handcuffs and jail cells closing.

Sae daeng and Arisman will probably see the inside of a Thai jail for a long time. Jatuporn, Weng, and Veera may or may not. They have all called for violent action but that might be seen as rhetoric. If the government has any knowledge of their involvement in or knowledge of the violent attacks that happened then they are forfeit. If the government has evidence of them participating in crimes against the monarchy then they are forfiet. Anything other than those 2 exceptions probably will see them walk as free men.

Now ... IF this amnesty is offered does that suggest that the leaders of the PAD must have charges against them dropped as well? Is this possibly a way to keep BOTH groups in check in the future?

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ozzieman05 Gold Member

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guys, even the compromise from abhisit is all smoke and mirrors, the fact is he does not have the balls to deal with the situation properly so I can't believe that anyone is surprised by this.

Tony, my sentiments exactly.

If you are so convinced

I am willing to pay you the same amount the farmers where paid to walk into the middle of downtown Bangkok

get on a soap box and tell Thailand what you think

I will start you pay off at 500 baht

will any other Thai V members match me with an equal contributions to the "PM has no balls" speach

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Redsunset Advanced Member

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there;s a big, big danger of considering amnesties. It automatically would give Thaksin the same rights for amnesty. Is it about that?

Very dangerous move.

My question is why are they even considering amnesty? Because that is part of "the deal?" If so.... then NO DEAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I agree, nothing surprising about the announcement that he will grant amnesty to the protesters who gathered illegally but not to people who committed other criminal acts...

The underlined part of that sentence is the important bit.

In short, the message is if you hit, shot, blew up, hurt or killed people or are somehow linked to those who did you will have to serve time.. or worse.

Most people though will get to go home, and get on with their lives.

Seems fair to me.

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ChiangMaiFun Platinum Member

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No No No No NO!

Errrm yes bound to happen

So again we see your true colours

Amnesty will see more protest on the streets from the other side

Will this make you happy

Think about it - there will be NO peace without amnesty - not possible. Not talking about killers here - they should be sought out - obviously - but everyone else there has to be - you want it to end right?

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Ladies and gents.... for weeks we have heard the voices and read the words of Chatuporn, Nattawut, Verra, Weng, Arisaman, Kwanchai, etc., pleading to fight to the death, ordering people to "move to Ratchaprason" threatening to attack then attacking Parliament..... the list goes on and on.... there is NO CASE to grant these fools and their henchmen like hit man Khittaya amnesty. Lock them up or else they will just do it again in six months.

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there's a big, big danger of considering amnesties. It automatically would give Thaksin the same rights for amnesty. Is it about that?

Very dangerous move.

the speculation probably is that the yellows also get amnesty, so there will be no counter revolt. This was exactly what the yellow - red tandem was/is after.

Very, very dangerous on the long term.

It could become Thugland and no more Thailand.

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ozzieman05 Gold Member

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guys, even the compromise from abhisit is all smoke and mirrors, the fact is he does not have the balls to deal with the situation properly so I can't believe that anyone is surprised by this.

Tony, my sentiments exactly.

If you are so convinced

I am willing to pay you the same amount the farmers where paid to walk into the middle of downtown Bangkok

get on a soap box and tell Thailand what you think about the PM

You do have the courage of your statement don't you

I will start by putting up the first 500 baht

will any other Thai V members match me with an equal contributions to the "PM has no balls" speech that these 2 and maybe more are willing to make

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It is nonsensical to grant the leaders amnesty.... Heck they broke virtually all the law related to the Emergency Decree. If they do not shoulder the responsibility as the leaders, then you might as well throw that Emergency Decree document in the trash. It is not worth the paper it is written on.

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jdinasia Star Member

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guys, even the compromise from abhisit is all smoke and mirrors, the fact is he does not have the balls to deal with the situation properly so I can't believe that anyone is surprised by this.

Tony, my sentiments exactly.

If you are so convinced

I am willing to pay you the same amount the farmers where paid to walk into the middle of downtown Bangkok

get on a soap box and tell Thailand what you think

I will start you pay off at 500 baht

will any other Thai V members match me with an equal contributions to the "PM has no balls" speach

LOL

I am actually curious how our red friend Tony thinks Abhisit SHOULD have handled all of this. :)

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Neurath Gold Member

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Now ... IF this amnesty is offered does that suggest that the leaders of the PAD must have charges against them dropped as well? Is this possibly a way to keep BOTH groups in check in the future?

Certainly bizarre if one outcome is an amnesty for the PAD leadership.

That would be enough for New Mandela writers to think that Sondhi L. is behind the whole Red Shirt protest.

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Jerrytheyoung Silver Member

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you want Peace or what....???/

It is normal for ending such a crisis that an amnesty covering nearly all the facts is part of the final agreement. However people directly involved with blood on their hand should not be included.

Absence of such a clausus can only bring resurgences of conflicts.

Hang on a second, by granting amnesty you only set yourself up for a repeat. Take the city hostage etc etc (but no worries because we will make amnesty part of any settlement).

If you do not grant an amnesty to most of people, you can be sure of troubles later on. It does not mean total amnesty: some have to pay for the bloodshed...

It is History lesson and I will say... a normal behavior of governments. Because the followers are progressively rejoining the normalcy, if there are too much "martyrs" you continue to fuel a dangerous active unrest....

One example how have been treated the leaders of the OAS (terrorists who disagreed with the Algeria given back to Algerians- They were taking Corsica and threatening to invade Paris with Paratroopers -1958. They are at the origin of the De Gaulle assassination attempt at the Petit Clamart) - Estimated 3,000 dead in Oran as part of their action:

The OAS was effectively eliminated by 1963. Roger Degueldre, Claude Piegts and Albert Dovecar were executed by firing squad on 7 June 1962. Jean Bastien-Thiry, who had attempted the Petit-Clamart assassination on de Gaulle, but was not formally a member of the OAS, was also executed. All others penal sentences were amnestied by a July 1968 act. Putschist generals still alive in November 1982 were reintegrated into the Army by another amnesty law: Raoul Salan, Edmond Jouhaud, and six other generals benefited from this law.

So only 4 people executed in spite the Gravity of their action.....And De Gaulle was a soldier able to take tough decision...

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