Thai Authorities To Sever Red-Shirts Supply Lines

[pornsasi]

They were voted for, and they represent their electorates. Just because they don't support the reds does not change that fact.

The party in power was disbanded by a court , allowing for the opposition to take over .

Since when in a democracy the coalition in power is decided by a few judges that are unelected

officials ? what do you smoke on your free time ?

In such case you MUST have a general election , else no popular mandate .

Like I said earlier ... around in circles. How many times has this been explained to you? Do you have a memory problem?

If MPs break the law, UNELECTED JUDGES are allowed to ban them. Can you tell me anywhere in the world where judges are elected?

The PPP executive were banned. By-elections were held for all vacant seats (except about 5 party list seats). The PTP (ex-PPP) were still in government with a care-taker PM after the disbanding of the PPP.

At a vote to replace the banned PM (Somchai), Abhisit was elected.

The only reason the PTP are not in government is because a group of MPs decided to no longer support them.

Obviously, in such a case you DON'T HAVE TO have a general election.

It's about the 40th time this has been explained nicely to Pornsasi. Sadly, he seems incapable of looking up the information and confirming for himself.

I suggest to save time, that the response post always be the same cut and paste, to match his cut and paste frivolous and untrue statements about this.

Save your precious time to read a book who will explain to you what democracy means

in regard to popular mandate .

You can explain 1400 times the inexplicable and you would be still wrong

[whybother]

Like I said earlier ... around in circles. How many times has this been explained to you? Do you have a memory problem?

If MPs break the law, UNELECTED JUDGES are allowed to ban them. Can you tell me anywhere in the world where judges are elected?

The PPP executive were banned. By-elections were held for all vacant seats (except about 5 party list seats). The PTP (ex-PPP) were still in government with a care-taker PM after the disbanding of the PPP.

At a vote to replace the banned PM (Somchai), Abhisit was elected.

The only reason the PTP are not in government is because a group of MPs decided to no longer support them.

Obviously, in such a case you DON'T HAVE TO have a general election.

Thats why Abhisit is legally elected .

Thats also why he dont have a popular mandate .

We agree for once

Not quite ... once again.

What is a "popular mandate"? Is there a clear definition? Or is it just a political term, used and twisted to suit whoever is talking about it? Did previous Thai governments have "popular mandates"?

Abhisit has the support of the majority of MPs elected by the people. That, in my book, gives him a "popular mandate".

Edited May 12, 2010 by whybother

[bkkjames]

look on the bright side Porn, in only 42 more cut and past jobs you will qualify to enter Bedlam : but be forewarned, Bedlam is not for everyone

[minburi2]

Good. They have infringed on the rights of others for far to long.

I have received 2 SMS from CRES on my phone, but my blackberry doesn't support Thai, anyone know what the SMS says?????

[pornsasi]

You are the one who said read CNN and BBC to support *your* take on things. I call Double Standards on you!

exactly my take on things is that the red shirts are no terrorists

and that Abhisit has no popular mandate .

Which is exactly what the foreign press is saying or implying in the secund case

[bkkjames]

Good. They have infringed on the rights of others for far to long.

I have received 2 SMS from CRES on my phone, but my blackberry doesn't support Thai, anyone know what the SMS says?????

We are going to turn off your phone at Midnight. Do not pass go and do not collect 200 baht.

[321niti123]

I listen on both the red station and the yellow station today and they both seem to say the same thing (which is surprising, but which also means that its probably true information). I heard that the reds have been getting their own water and electricity for some time now because they have access to fire hydrants or fire trucks in the area to get their water, and they have electrical generators to get electricity.

I think this is credible because opposite ends of the argument say the same thing, but this is not on ch3,5,7,9,11(NBT) [aka. free local tv] because the government doesnt want its attempt to look futile (which is exactly what it is)

The yellow station also said that most of the leaders are willing to negotiate but Seh Dang and some other core leaders have threaten their lives, and Veera is also said to be missing from the stage-according to the yellows its because he wants to turn himself in (as do most of the other reds), but Seh Dang doesn't want to risk the possibility of not getting bail

Yellow radio (and i know its not their official name, dont know what it is, 97.25 i think but its definitely on the yellow) also said that the reason they want suthep to turn himself in is that they want to test if Suthep gets out on bail or not, if suthep gets out then they would think they can get out too.

This is all biased news from the extremes, so dont trust all of it as you would trust a more unbiased news.

[FatherF]

Good. They have infringed on the rights of others for far to long.

I have received 2 SMS from CRES on my phone, but my blackberry doesn't support Thai, anyone know what the SMS says?????

RUN AWAY! RUN AWAY!

[pornsasi]

look on the bright side Porn, in only 42 more cut and past jobs you will qualify to enter Bedlam : but be forewarned, Bedlam is not for everyone

Am not british

Bedlam theater ?

or is it your other favorite place ?

[321niti123]

You are the one who said read CNN and BBC to support *your* take on things. I call Double Standards on you!

exactly my take on things is that the red shirts are no terrorists

and that Abhisit has no popular mandate .

Which is exactly what the foreign press is saying or implying in the secund case

The reds are terrorist:

(n) terrorist (a radical who employs terror as a political weapon; usually organizes with other terrorists in small cells; often uses religion as a cover for terrorist activities) [http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=terrorist]

(n) terrorism, act of terrorism, terrorist act (the calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear) [http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=terrorism]

from the definitions above you can clearly see that the reds are indeed terrorist because i've heard the reds talking about waging war on the government [on the red radio station] and if that isn't causing fear or TERROR in the hearts of the people in Bangkok then I don't know what is.

[bkkjames]

look on the bright side Porn, in only 42 more cut and past jobs you will qualify to enter Bedlam : but be forewarned, Bedlam is not for everyone

Am not british

Bedlam theater ?

or is it your other favorite place ?

Bedlam on TV mate (scroll to the bottom of the main page), where all the really cool people hang out. Caution, no shirts no shoes, no matter.

[pornsasi]

I listen on both the red station and the yellow station today and they both seem to say the same thing (which is surprising, but which also means that its probably true information). I heard that the reds have been getting their own water and electricity for some time now because they have access to fire hydrants or fire trucks in the area to get their water, and they have electrical generators to get electricity.

I think this is credible because opposite ends of the argument say the same thing, but this is not on ch3,5,7,9,11(NBT) [aka. free local tv] because the government doesnt want its attempt to look futile (which is exactly what it is)

The yellow station also said that most of the leaders are willing to negotiate but Seh Dang and some other core leaders have threaten their lives, and Veera is also said to be missing from the stage-according to the yellows its because he wants to turn himself in (as do most of the other reds), but Seh Dang doesn't want to risk the possibility of not getting bail

Yellow radio (and i know its not their official name, dont know what it is, 97.25 i think but its definitely on the yellow) also said that the reason they want suthep to turn himself in is that they want to test if Suthep gets out on bail or not, if suthep gets out then they would think they can get out too.

This is all biased news from the extremes, so dont trust all of it as you would trust a more unbiased news.

and you came here to get unbiased news ?

We were talking about Bedlam just now

[pornsasi]

look on the bright side Porn, in only 42 more cut and past jobs you will qualify to enter Bedlam : but be forewarned, Bedlam is not for everyone

Am not british

Bedlam theater ?

or is it your other favorite place ?

Bedlam on TV mate (scroll to the bottom of the main page), where all the really cool people hang out. Caution, no shirts no shoes, no matter.

Alright ...

[pearloftheorient]

As I said in another thread

What a joke....Not only they advertise 12 hours what they gonna do, just to make sure that reds can prepare themselves in case they forgot such a major detail....

But, anyway, reds have shown already that they planned almost everything, and I am pretty sure that they have loads of generators and fuel to run them, as well as water tanks. They surely thought that this situation might happen, and have already made necessary arrangements. The ones who are going to suffer are AGAIN the people living in the area, the same that have already seen their life disrupted by these terrorists....

So, what next ???

In fairness to the people living around the area, of course they should also be informed. Not to mention other passers by in the area. Imagine if you are unaware that they will close down the roads, electricity etc and then you're caught up in the situation. Surely you might blame the government for not informing the public and causing you inconvenience, right?

I believe this will run for a few days/weeks until they run out of supplies. As it was said, they will not let anyone enter the area from 12MN

[lazurus]

It won't be the water or electricity that will make the difference. It is whether the police will actually seal off the area and stop people moving in and out. If they succeed that will stop the flow of food and reinforcements. If they do that we will see more lawlessness from the reds as they try to break through the lines.

[pornsasi]

In fairness to the people living around the area, of course they should also be informed. Not to mention other passers by in the area. Imagine if you are unaware that they will close down the roads, electricity etc and then you're caught up in the situation. Surely you might blame the government for not informing the public and causing you inconvenience, right?

I believe this will run for a few days/weeks until they run out of supplies. As it was said, they will not let anyone enter the area from 12MN

I think the governement believes the red will be supplied by air drops .

Last time they arranged for AA guns , remember ?

[sabaijai]

What a joke....Not only they advertise 12 hours what they gonna do, just to make sure that reds can prepare themselves in case they forgot such a major detail....

In this case, it does make sense. This area has a number of businesses and residents who will be affected by the power outage and increased government blockade (if they actually implement it). The announcement wasn't for the reds, but for the locals so they have time to move out of the area, and was part of the announcement that anyone living in the area should plan on leaving for several days.

I think there's also an element here to pressure moderate reds to get out now before the trouble starts. They wants as few "innocents" as possible there when the operation begins. Supposedly Veera is ready to turn himself in.

A more interesting aspect is that the lawyers for the reds say 37 reds will turn themselves in if the SOE is lifted. What's the game there? What does lifting the SOE allow the reds to do, that they can't otherwise?

Under the SOE there's no bail.

[pornsasi]

I pity the poster that goes by the name Tallforeigner

Seemed like a nice chap

[bob6023]

Meanwhile, Kokaew Pikulthong, one of the UDD leaders, said that he and Mr Weera would not yet turn themselves into the Crime Suppression Division because they doubt the sincerity of the government. He added that the UDD would closely monitor the government's operations. If found to be sincere, all UDD core leaders and other suspects who were issued summonses would report themselves to the authorities immediately, he vowed.

<deleted> are they talking about?

Its just the usual red Bullshit

I do hope I;m right and they are going to get what they deserve tomorrow - at least the signs look good

Any of them trying to stop me, I would hit the gas and run them over if they don't move and that's not a empty thread - thieving bastards

Good for you partner. I did that once at SFState when protestors tried to bar me from going on up 19th. I tell you they scattered like all hel_l was coming down. I didn't kill anyone but I sure as hexx moved some of them out of my way.

Once you start don't stop they'll hurt you bad or killl you.

[dobadoy]

I listen on both the red station and the yellow station today and they both seem to say the same thing (which is surprising, but which also means that its probably true information). I heard that the reds have been getting their own water and electricity for some time now because they have access to fire hydrants or fire trucks in the area to get their water, and they have electrical generators to get electricity.

I think this is credible because opposite ends of the argument say the same thing, but this is not on ch3,5,7,9,11(NBT) [aka. free local tv] because the government doesnt want its attempt to look futile (which is exactly what it is)

The yellow station also said that most of the leaders are willing to negotiate but Seh Dang and some other core leaders have threaten their lives, and Veera is also said to be missing from the stage-according to the yellows its because he wants to turn himself in (as do most of the other reds), but Seh Dang doesn't want to risk the possibility of not getting bail

Yellow radio (and i know its not their official name, dont know what it is, 97.25 i think but its definitely on the yellow) also said that the reason they want suthep to turn himself in is that they want to test if Suthep gets out on bail or not, if suthep gets out then they would think they can get out too.

This is all biased news from the extremes, so dont trust all of it as you would trust a more unbiased news.

and you came here to get unbiased news ?

We were talking about Bedlam just now

Thanks 321niti123 for the useful insights. Please keep posting this kind of stuff.

Oh...and ignore those who forget gratitude just to make 'smart' remarks...there's a lot of it about I'm afraid.

[pornsasi]

I listen on both the red station and the yellow station today and they both seem to say the same thing (which is surprising, but which also means that its probably true information). I heard that the reds have been getting their own water and electricity for some time now because they have access to fire hydrants or fire trucks in the area to get their water, and they have electrical generators to get electricity.

I think this is credible because opposite ends of the argument say the same thing, but this is not on ch3,5,7,9,11(NBT) [aka. free local tv] because the government doesnt want its attempt to look futile (which is exactly what it is)

The yellow station also said that most of the leaders are willing to negotiate but Seh Dang and some other core leaders have threaten their lives, and Veera is also said to be missing from the stage-according to the yellows its because he wants to turn himself in (as do most of the other reds), but Seh Dang doesn't want to risk the possibility of not getting bail

Yellow radio (and i know its not their official name, dont know what it is, 97.25 i think but its definitely on the yellow) also said that the reason they want suthep to turn himself in is that they want to test if Suthep gets out on bail or not, if suthep gets out then they would think they can get out too.

This is all biased news from the extremes, so dont trust all of it as you would trust a more unbiased news.

and you came here to get unbiased news ?

We were talking about Bedlam just now

Thanks 321niti123 for the useful insights. Please keep posting this kind of stuff.

Oh...and ignore those who forget gratitude just to make 'smart' remarks...there's a lot of it about I'm afraid.

Fair nuff . Sorry 321

[jcbangkok]

What an organized (and honest) bunch they are.

Today, 2010-05-12 12:38:05

Weng dismissed rumors of the departure of Mr Weera from the country. He said the UDD chairperson had simply caught a cold and would return to the rally stage at Ratchapasong Intersection in Bangkok when he got well.

Today, 2010-05-12 14:07:17

Kokaew Pikulthong, one of the UDD leaders, said that he and Mr Weera would not yet turn themselves into the Crime Suppression Division because they doubt the sincerity of the government.

Today, 2010-05-12 15:53:48

Acting Commander of the CSD Police General Supisarn Pakdinaruenart revealed that the two UDD core figures, namely Mr Kokaew Pikulthong and Mr Weera Musikapong, told the police that they would travel to the CSD at 14.00 hrs today to surrender. The officers have alerted the Department of Special Investigation (DSI) and the Metropolitan Police Bureau to send investigative officers in to prepare for interrogation.

Today, 2010-05-12 15:59:55

THE NATION: Veera has reportedly resigned from UDD chairman. He seems to be only one who want to surrender and join reconcillation plan.

[yoshiwara]

The red shirts are not going anywhere....

And you know this because?

FF

...because they have to stay put to get paid.

[animatic]

As for Suthep , i think , that once the protest is over , he should leave the governement

And for which reason, may I ask? For well-doing his job while the capital is on emergency?

No , he is not a general who obeys orders , he is a politician who gives them

Because thats what politicians usually do in his position . 25 deaths could have been avoided .

During next election campain that will be used

So because he is damaging the dems as well as the road to reconciliation .

We all well know that the real reason those lives were lost was the Reds trying to cause a violent clash.

The rest of the country has seen their malevolent act quite clearly at this point in time.

It would have been much easier to use this as electoral ammunition of the Reds had closed down before,

but now that they push yet again to, and beyond, the edge, makes their game plan and lack of negotiation

plain to all who the REAL culprits are. They have shot off their own feet one and all.

Your inceasent reddened apologia gets no traction here.

Edited May 12, 2010 by animatic

[pornsasi]

The reds are terrorist:

(n) terrorist (a radical who employs terror as a political weapon; usually organizes with other terrorists in small cells; often uses religion as a cover for terrorist activities) [http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=terrorist]

(n) terrorism, act of terrorism, terrorist act (the calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear) [http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=terrorism]

from the definitions above you can clearly see that the reds are indeed terrorist because i've heard the reds talking about waging war on the government [on the red radio station] and if that isn't causing fear or TERROR in the hearts of the people in Bangkok then I don't know what is.

I was in BKK two weeks ago . Did not see anyone terrorised .

Unlike Manila , nobody searched me when i entered a shopping mall .

Well well ...

[peecee]

Jesus Christ, WILL THIS EVER ENDDDDDDDDDDD.............???????

Course it will, I've said it before; the sun will pull us in as it grows into a red giant!

Just got to be patient!!

[pornsasi]

As for Suthep , i think , that once the protest is over , he should leave the governement

And for which reason, may I ask? For well-doing his job while the capital is on emergency?

No , he is not a general who obeys orders , he is a politician who gives them

Because thats what politicians usually do in his position . 25 deaths could have been avoided .

During next election campain that will be used

So because he is damaging the dems as well as the road to reconciliation .

We all well know thatbthe reason those lives were lost was the Reds trying to cause a violent clash,

they rest of the country has seen their act quite clearly at this point in time.

It would have been much easier to use this as electoral ammunition of the Reds had closed down before,

but now that they push again to and beyond the edge, their game plan and lack of negotiation

makes it plain to all who the REAL culprets are.

Your inceasent reddened apologia gets no traction here.

As your yelllow propaganda does perhaps ?

[jcbangkok]

I wonder if this means they will also stop anyone else from joining the illegal gathering. Somehow I doubt it. I also doubt this will even be enforced if it is up to the police as I am sure they will negotiate something different with the reds.

CRES to 100-per cent seal off protest zone

BANGKOK: -- The Centre for Resolution of Emergency Situation Wednesday announced that protest zone at Rajprasong would be 100 per cent sealed off.

CRES Spokesman Col Sansern Kaewkamnerd said the CRES decided Wednesday morning to step up more pressure on the protesters after the red-shirt leaders refused to accept the peace plan offered by the prime mnister.

As part of the measure, the CRES would cut off all the basic utilities, like water, phone, and power, to the protest zone.

The CRES would also not allow public buses and boats to pass through the protest zone and would not allow BTS trains to stop at the Chidlom station as a measure to prevent more people to join the protest.

"We will 100 per cent seal off all transport channels to the protest zone," Sansern said.

-- The Nation 2010-05-12

[jcbangkok]

Jesus Christ, WILL THIS EVER ENDDDDDDDDDDD.............???????

Course it will, I've said it before; the sun will pull us in as it grows into a red giant!

Just got to be patient!!

Yes, it has been going on 80 years. Going to take more than a couple months to fix.

[gemini81]

You always ask proof of everything, and YOU can never give us any reliable link or proof....Only one reason...There is no such link or proof to support your verbal diarrhea

By Stingray, this blog national security journalistEye witness report said soldiers and police that are sympathizers of the red shirt fired live bullets at soldiers loyal to Prayuth and Prem-who were shooting at the red shirt.

Eye witness said soldiers loyal to Prayuth went on top of many buildings near the Cow Corale and fired live bullets onto the red shirt crowd below-killing and wounding many.

Eye witness said many soldiers and police who were involved in controlling the crowd below, once saw the murdering spree-abandoned their duty and began firing at the soldiers on to of the buildings and hit many-and the killing spree stopped.

Eye witness said if not for these soldiers and police-there would have been hundreds killed.

April 11, 2010

http://<URL Automatically Removed>/2010/04/11/mobile-post-red-soldiers-and-police-combat-prayuth-soldiers-saving-hundreds-of-lives/

Just wondering who is the one with diarrhea ?

BS propaganda again

and I have Immodium, thanks

Pornsasi got owned.

Classic saying, seeing is believing! (No, I don't mean any doctored photoshop "images" from the red camp either!) some random witness this, and anonymous witness that, holds no case against the military or police overstepping bounds. I think Pornsasi had to have seen the menace toward police, the provoking, and objects hurled, to put it mildly. Those reds oughta appreciate the tolerance of others in their culture that they have gotten away with so much already.