Red-Shirts Leader Seh Daeng Shot In The Head - Fighting For His Life In ICU - Video

[chadintheusa]

Seh Daeng could have been shot because he couldn't keep his mouth shut and was giving away Thaksin's plans in the past few days. Thaksin has kept a low profile since April 10, so low people have speculated he was dead. Seh Daeng was implicating Thaksin as the head of the red movement and claimed to be taking orders directly from Thaksin about replacing the leadership of the red team. During Thaksin's famous war on drugs plenty of informants received similar treatment and were silenced to protect their bosses.

It is equally likely that the army saw an opportunity to remove one it's biggest liabilities and took it. Seh Daeng was a traitor who had even tried to assassinate Gen Anupong. Seh Daeng was in the process of being prosecuted for various illegal weapons charges and would be facing more serious charges in the future. Removing him from the equation may reduce the chance of a repeat of the April 10 disaster.

Either way let's see how smart the red leaders are now, will they cut and run or fight to the death.

[Who, me ?]

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The governement have now arrested him (while he is in a coma) and charged him with terrorism.

It's either dusk or dawn when the troops will go in," said Khattiya, who was shot soon after night fell.

Khattiya was shot while talking to a New York Times journalist near the Silom subway station on the edge of the occupation zone. The station entrance is surrounded by tall office buildings, leading to suspicions a sniper fired the shot.

Times reporter Thomas Fuller, answering questions on the newspaper's website, said he was about a half-hour into the interview when he asked the general, "Do you think the military is going to launch a crackdown, and do you think they'll be able to penetrate the barricades here?"

"And there was a bang as he was answering it, and I think his last words that I heard were, 'The military cannot get in here.' And then immediately (he) just fell, just collapsed," Fuller said. "He was looking right at me. I think the bullet went over my head and hit him in the forehead."

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Asked if troops shot Khattiya, government spokesman Panitan Wattanayagorn refused to give a direct answer. "The operation by authorities was according to international standards and law. So far, we have not found any actions by the authorities that went beyond that," he told the AP.

The government had labeled him a "terrorist" and a mastermind behind some of the violence.

Seh Daeng now under police custody.....wow....

Hope they make sure he's not going to escape through the window with a rope !!!

[Chunky1]

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home/2010/...;-30129281.html

Read Sae Daeng's interview.

It sounds like the Red's wanted him out just as much as the government. That should make you happy. Reds and Yellows, working together.

[Chunky1]

Either way let's see how smart the red leaders are now, will they cut and run or fight to the death.

Probably go and spend some of their hard earned money.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home/2010/...;-30129281.html

[whybother]

Seh Daeng under police's detention at Vajira Hospital

Officers from the Thung Mahamek police station used an arrest warrant to put Maj Gen Khattiya Sawasdiphol under police detention at the Vajira Hospital.

He was arrested on charges of terrorism.

-- The Nation 2010-05-14

They're worried he might climb out the window.

[chadintheusa]

THE NATION: Urgent: Police officially arrested Seh Daeng on terrorist charges at Vajira Hospital.

I'm sure they checked the closets for men in black with extension cords first so he wouldn't get away. Any word on bail yet?

[Herm]

I wrongly posted this comment on another thread:

I think there are a number of (ex)military- or police-specialists in this forum, so a question to them: It was reported that the hospital operated on Seh Daeng this morning and removed a bullet. If he was shot by a sniper, assuming from some distance, wouldn't the high-speed bullet have passed through his head and made a sizable exit.wound instead ? Does the fact that he had a bullet in the head imply a shot from a less-powerful weapon, perhaps closer than your typical sniper would use ?

,308 is a very small sharply pointed (body armor penetrating) steel projectile that doesn't deform when entering the head - that why it would not cause a massive exit wound - it's the kinetic energy that causes the most damage when a subject is hit in the chest. If the bullet remained in the skull, the shot must have been fired from a substantial distance

but as I said, nobody can tell until forensics are known

One thing seems apparent, if it was a handgun shot from close range, wouldn't the journalist have notice this ?

Edited May 14, 2010 by Herm

[TonyH]

I can't believe all the people claiming it was the Military that shot the Terrorist. Surely nobody on this Forums was there and could not have seen anything. In short, there is only proof he was shot, but nothing to prove who did it. Some reports say the shot came from a building occupied by the Terrorists, so who really knows?

Blaming the Government or the Military is just irresponsible, and surely does not help to quiet the tensions.

I think it's a mystery sort of a "spontaneous" thing, just like spontaneous combustion... no one knows how it happened !

[tonywebster]

I wrongly posted this comment on another thread:

I think there are a number of (ex)military- or police-specialists in this forum, so a question to them: It was reported that the hospital operated on Seh Daeng this morning and removed a bullet. If he was shot by a sniper, assuming from some distance, wouldn't the high-speed bullet have passed through his head and made a sizable exit.wound instead ? Does the fact that he had a bullet in the head imply a shot from a less-powerful weapon, perhaps closer than your typical sniper would use ?

It would depend on what weapon was being used by the 'sniper' and his distance from the target. recently a British para sniper shot two guys in afghanistan from I believe 2 miles away (maybe someone can correct me on the distance), he was using a high powered rifle obviously so the bullets still had enough velocity to kill their targets. If it was not high velocity then it is possible the bullet would not reach the target in that instance.

Too many people get carried away with the word 'sniper' on here, it is just as possible it was from a different weapon at a closer distance, less velocity, but still aimed and fired nevertheless, possibly not a specialised sniper as they would not go for the head (even though the head normaly means a kill, they aim for the torso which is a larger area and a high velocity round would probably have the same result).

But in the case of a proper sniper from distance, the chances are he would use high velocity and that would probably cause more damage than we have here.

[whybother]

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/...dex.html?hpt=T1

Interview with the interviewer

I still haven't seen any international condemnation ... or anything even suggesting it was wrong.

Most of the international reports point out that Sae Daeng was a renegade army general, and some say that even the leaders on his own side didn't like him.

[patjem]

Anyone who celebrates Death is beneath contempt and deserves to be treated in that manner.

You make a sensible statement..... considering that Seh Daeng's boasts of his past "deeds", there is a perfectly humane rite to feel contempt towards him.

[chadintheusa]

What did the watermelon say to the vegetable?

May I please arrest you, if you don't mind?

[chantorn]

What did the watermelon say to the vegetable?

May I please arrest you, if you don't mind?

And the tomato cannot stop laughing.

[bapak]

Officers from the Thung Mahamek police station used an arrest warrant to put Maj Gen Khattiya Sawasdiphol under police detention at the Vajira Hospital.

He was arrested on charges of terrorism.

The Nation

Oh, what brave police. Where have they been for the past few weeks? Most likely a reward for the police who served the warrant.

[cdnvic]

Deleted one post in poor taste and one post quoting it.

[timekeeper]

Funny (but predictable) how red sympathizers were all claiming this was a civil war a few weeks back but now cry foul when a common war tactic takes out one of their most violent heroes.

wasn't it Seh Daeng that claimed to have trained the men in black that targeted and killed Col.Romklao on April 10th with laser pointers and assassinated him with a M79 grenade ?

wouldn't that be described as tactics of war?

i find it rather fitting he was attacked by using tactics of war

i expect as a career soldier, he would too........

[Herm]

Officers from the Thung Mahamek police station used an arrest warrant to put Maj Gen Khattiya Sawasdiphol under police detention at the Vajira Hospital.

He was arrested on charges of terrorism.

The Nation

Oh, what brave police. Where have they been for the past few weeks? Most likely a reward for the police who served the warrant.

will look good in their records that's all

[Brewsta]

Anyone who celebrates Death is beneath contempt and deserves to be treated in that manner.

But more power to the people who are celebrating all the lives that will be saved by this one death.

'...WILL be saved'.....'Really? That remains to be seen - if he is seen as a martyr by the 'redshirt movement', then more deaths not less may be the tragic result.

[rixalex]

Sometimes a 'cigar is a cigar' and the government side are the obvious first candidates - cummon gimme a break

Sometimes a "cigar is a cigar"? Really? Funny that. A few weeks back after the black ronin shootings here you are telling everyone that sometimes a "cigar isn't a cigar":

and you jump to conclusions again... he's not a red -something odd is going on and even the Army etc. are not claiming he's (she's?) a red but you seek to tarnish the reds name again with unproven material and lack of facts

I would not be surprised it was 'another' agency - we don't know...

...or you think you do know? Maybe you have read the ballistic reports or the Police report? Or maybe the autopsies? Wiser to wait and see?

Who is tarnishing whose name now with unproven material and lack of facts? Maybe CMF you have read the ballistic reports or the Police report? Or maybe the autopsies? Wiser to wait and see?

Indeed.

[Tumbo]

What did the watermelon say to the vegetable?

May I please arrest you, if you don't mind?

nice one mate!

[TonyH]

Seh Daeng under police's detention at Vajira Hospital

Officers from the Thung Mahamek police station used an arrest warrant to put Maj Gen Khattiya Sawasdiphol under police detention at the Vajira Hospital.

He was arrested on charges of terrorism.

-- The Nation 2010-05-14

They're worried he might climb out the window.

He always had big ambition, he got a god like position with the red followers, now I think he going to go down to that hot fiery red place way below the hospital, he's not going out through the window!

[rabo]

Didn't this crap start when the military removed an elected government from office?

No it started when Thaksin bought his way into office, then ignored the coalition government, skyrocketed executive power, ordered the extrajudicial killings of over 2000 people, cheated the treasury and the people out of billions of taxes. Most Thais cheered the 2006 coup. I would rather live under Thai military rule than Chalerm, Jatupron, Arisman, Nattawut, Veera or any other of the Red leadership and so, in my opinion would most Thais. Even better, a democratically elected government without the nouveau riche buying votes, parties and candidates.

It's no coincidence that the Red invasion was launched the day after the courts ruled against returning all of Thaksin's frozen assets. This is in no way a fight for democracy and freedom in any real sense in terms of leadership agenda.

Good post, thanks!

Didn't this crap start when the military removed an elected government from office?

Yes and they tore up the constitution too- not such a good idea really!

How come this was answered before being posted, oh, re-post. Opps, different posters?

Let me re-post SpoliaOpima's answer.

No it started when Thaksin bought his way into office, then ignored the coalition government, skyrocketed executive power, ordered the extrajudicial killings of over 2000 people, cheated the treasury and the people out of billions of taxes. Most Thais cheered the 2006 coup. I would rather live under Thai military rule than Chalerm, Jatupron, Arisman, Nattawut, Veera or any other of the Red leadership and so, in my opinion would most Thais. Even better, a democratically elected government without the nouveau riche buying votes, parties and candidates.

It's no coincidence that the Red invasion was launched the day after the courts ruled against returning all of Thaksin's frozen assets. This is in no way a fight for democracy and freedom in any real sense in terms of leadership agenda.

[Chunky1]

EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW

'Who would dare to get me'

Suspended Army specialist Maj General Khattiya Sawasdipol yesterday gave an interview to The Nation's Pongphon Sarnsamak, not long before he was shot in the head. He is still in critical condition.

The 13-minute and 16-second interview is given near an MRT station beside the statue of King Rama VI at Lumpini Park.

Q : The crackdown on the demonstrators will take place tonight [last night]?

K : My guess is that they won't do it during night time. They would do it at dawn - as a military doctrine says an offensive should be carried out at dawn.

Q : Then how possible is that it will be carried out at dawn?

K : It depends. We all have empty hands. Let's see if they are crazy enough to do it. The whole world and the world media are watching whether the soldiers are crazy enough.

Q : If you think a cracdown is possible at dawn, don't you have any plans?

K : I don't know about the red masses. I don't get involved with their fighting, which will be unconventional. I won't be a part of their fight. I only walk around the protest site to give them moral support. I don't know how they will fight.

Q : The armed men in black will emerge this time?

K : They will. The same guys. They will show up to justify [the government's actions]. They walk around carrying guns. They are the government's men that showed up on April 10. They are showing off for foreign media cameras.

Q : How possible will there be torching of shopping malls near the protest site?

K : Nothing. This is not discussed.

Q : How many men are under your command?

K : There is none. It's just me. I have never seen anyone carrying weapons here. They are armed with only morale and will power. I don't know where the unidentified force come from.

Q : Regarding your coming speech, who will you address it to?

K : To the red guards.

Q : The guards are under your command?

K : No. They are from the provinces, and now work together.

Q : And what about the King Taksin Force that you trained?

K : That was over two years ago. The force disbanded itself. The red guards you see now travel to Bangkok along with the protestors from 75 provinces. They come and work together.

Q : What is your view on infighting among the red-shirt leadership?

A : The "dove" leaders took money from the government and the "hawk" leaders want to expose them, but they don't dare to. But the "hawk" leaders have me, so I expose the "dove leaders".

Q : Who are the dove leaders?

K : Nattawut Saikua, Jatuporn Promphan, Dr weng Tojirakarn, and Wisa Khanthap.

Q : Who are the hawk leaders?

K : Arisman Pongruangrong, Suporn Atthawong, Khwanchai Praipana and Payap Panket.

Q : Your are not included?

K : I don't get involved with the protest.

Q : You are not a hardcore?

K : No. I work separately from the leaders. I don't speak on the stage. I work on the security for the protest. The leaders want me out, but I'm not leaving. I will take care of the protesters, because I know they will be killed if I leave.

Q : The infighting will weaken the protest?

K : No. The doves are bad leaders. The red shirts have come to fight and die. How can they make a deal [with the government] for themselves? The PM's road map, the surrender of Suthep Thaugsuban at the DSI, and at the CSD. I exposed them all. The red shirts have come here for House dissolution, not for the road map.

Q : What do you have to explain to the people about the red shirts' demand?

K : We come here for House dissolution and now we are fooled by the first-tier leaders. Now we are waiting for the second-tier leaders, who have now given a pledge to carry on the protest and now one backs out. Arisman is the leader.

It is not certain if Jatuporn will join the bandwagon. He jumped in and just jumped out.

Q : How many men are still with you if the protest is over, or if the doves give up?

K : Everyone will stay, because the essentials are all here - water, food, tents, generators and mobile toilets.

Q : If Suthep surrenders to CSD, the protest is over?

A : As agreed. No one will give up. They are ready for a revolution. The hawks are ready to do it since Wednesday night. Arisman announced openly to bring back the 1997 Constitution and Thaksin.

Q : What do you think about the protest continuing and the demand for the PM's resignation?

K : I don't know. The fighting is going on. The PM has the aristocracy, the military and the police behind his back. He can go on fighting.

Q : Where is Veera Musigapong?

K : He is gone.

Q : Gone where? He is not well?

K : To the UK. The red-shirted leaders are embarrassed [over Veera giving up], because I revealed all.

Q : When did Veera leave Thailand?

K : Three days ago, because I revealed the infighting. The PM got angry with me over the road map, because they could not reach an agreement.

Q : Who are the real powers among the red-shirted leaders?

K : They were all real powers, initially. But now some of them have shown their true selves, as money can buy everything, or some big people have influenced [their change of mind].

It's like a rigged boxing bout after all. But everything got stuck because of me telling the truth. That is why Abhisit and Suthep are angry at me.

Q : How many are real powers are left?

K : None. The leaders' influence is so much that their guards can beat up anyone. But Arisman is not afraid of them.

Q : You don't want to be a red leader?

K : Unsuitable. I am a soldier and responsible for security for the protest. This is enough to drive me crazy. I will become weaker in combat if I take two jobs. I can speak on the stage if permitted but I cannot go and attend meetings with them, or the border protest site will be a mess.

Q : Why is there now a military presence?

K : It happened after the deal was made [to pressure noncooperative leaders]. Some people say the deal was not fully successful because I stood in the way. Some try to find out why it is so difficult to kill me, even though I am unarmed and travel alone.

Q : Why can't they catch you?

K : Who would dare to come in here? Would you dare if ordered to catch me?

Q : What about when you are outside?

K : I don't go outside. I stay within the protest areas. It's like a spy movie if you imagine about them infiltrating among red shirts and taking me.

RED SHIRT LEADERS EAGER TO GET THIS OVER SO THEY CAN GO HOME AND BOAT SHOPPING :D :D :D

[Steely Dan]

THE NATION: Seh Daeng - a night b4 he got shot: "Thaksin doesn't want the protest to be over. If it's over, then (he) won't be able to go home."

Ah, the truth shines out eh? I do hope Seh Daeng pulls through or this was taped as it would be very strong grounds with which to charge Thaksin with treason.

[rabo]

Anyone who celebrates Death is beneath contempt and deserves to be treated in that manner.

But more power to the people who are celebrating all the lives that will be saved by this one death.

'...WILL be saved'.....'Really? That remains to be seen - if he is seen as a martyr by the 'redshirt movement', then more deaths not less may be the tragic result.

I don't think that Buddhism and Thai culture are very big on the concept of martyrdom and rising up to kill in the name of the martyr. That's more of a Western/Islamic concept.

[Brewsta]

BBC News on cable TV here in Saudi Arabia is reporting Seh Daeng's death........ do we know if this is true, anyone?

[Herm]

Anyone who celebrates Death is beneath contempt and deserves to be treated in that manner.

But more power to the people who are celebrating all the lives that will be saved by this one death.

'...WILL be saved'.....'Really? That remains to be seen - if he is seen as a martyr by the 'redshirt movement', then more deaths not less may be the tragic result.

I think those who believe that Sae Dengs departure from the scene means the end of the mob are too optimistic. The leaders have too much to loose to stop now.

The ex General will have his terrorists organized in a way that if the head should be captured or killed, there will be a replacement taking over immediately. Even a Thai General would think that far.

The only way to stop this thing will be for the government forces to move in and arrest the lot.

On that note, a humble suggestion on how to stop it with minimal or even no loss of live on both sides:

Fill fire fighting Helicopters with the dirtiest Klong water in Bangkok, with water soluble CN gas mixed in in high doses. Do the same with the water canons. Spray the mob with this every 2 hours for 24 hours.

The CN gas in the water will cause unbearable itching .... the Klong water will cause immediate infections of the wound caused by scratching

A trillion flies will arrive shortly after the first application and make life even more miserable.

Every 4 hours drop CS gas canisters from helicopters

while all this is happening make sure the area is tightly sealed and no one can get out. I make every bet, after 48 hours they will be begging to leave and by their own free will they will enter trucks that will take them to a detention camp where they will be cleaned up and treated before the buff's will be send back to Isaan and the Terrorist and the leaders arrested.

A smelly but non violent solution

Edited May 14, 2010 by Herm

[Oberkommando]

I would rather live under Thai military rule

Fortunately you have absolutely no say in the matter.

It appears, although you believe otherwise, that the vast majority of Thais do not wish to live under military rule, as events in history; specifically 1974, 1992 and since 2006 show.

Throughout Thai history, which so many on here are so woefully ignorant of, the Thai military has been the one single opposing force to the electorate and to peace and prosperity in Thailand.

18 coups in 72 years.

[jcbangkok]

THE NATION: Seh Daeng - a night b4 he got shot: "Thaksin doesn't want the protest to be over. If it's over, then (he) won't be able to go home."

Ah, the truth shines out eh? I do hope Seh Daeng pulls through or this was taped as it would be very strong grounds with which to charge Thaksin with treason.

Since he is now a a citizen of Montenegro ....

[chadintheusa]

BBC News on cable TV here in Saudi Arabia is reporting Seh Daeng's death........ do we know if this is true, anyone?

Most recent reports seem to say that he is still in a coma and on life support,