Red-Shirts Leader Seh Daeng Shot In The Head - Fighting For His Life In ICU - Video

[phuketrex]

Speaker on NOW speaking in English on the Reds Channel>>>

UDDThailand.com - United front for Democracy against Dictatorship.

I think he's their Media spokesman.

[dobadoy]

Q : Who are the dove leaders?

Seh Daeng : Nattawut Saikua, Jatuporn Promphan, Dr weng Tojirakarn, and Wisa Khanthap.

Q : Who are the hawk leaders?

Seh Daeng : Arisman Pongruangrong, Suporn Atthawong, Khwanchai Praipana and Payap Panket.

The doves are bad leaders. The red shirts have come to fight and die. How can they make a deal [with the government] for themselves? The PM's road map, the surrender of Suthep Thaugsuban at the DSI, and at the CSD. I exposed them all. The red shirts have come here for House dissolution, not for the road map.

Q : What do you have to explain to the people about the red shirts' demand?

Seh Daeng : We come here for House dissolution and now we are fooled by the first-tier leaders. Now we are waiting for the second-tier leaders, who have now given a pledge to carry on the protest and now one backs out. Arisman is the leader.

It is not certain if Jatuporn will join the bandwagon. He jumped in and just jumped out.

A few minutes before being shot SD gave this interview.

Who shot him? Seems like its all there to me.

[chadintheusa]

Let's hope the UDD leaders will end the protest, can't spend Thaksin's money with a bullet lodged in your skull.

[draftvader]

Guys and girls. Do yourself a quick favour. Get your hands up off the keyboard. Place the tip of your right index finger just above your right temple, then the tip of your left index finger on your neck at the back. Scaring isn't it. Do we think that SD could breathe and function for himself right now? OK. We have evidence that the government ARE keeping him alive (his family have agreed DNR). Logical reasoning for the governments decision here?

[Brewsta]

BBC News on cable TV here in Saudi Arabia is reporting Seh Daeng's death........ do we know if this is true, anyone?

Most recent reports seem to say that he is still in a coma and on life support,

Thanks - perhaps our latest sandstorm is obscuring the BBC reporters notes.....

[bapak]

Q : Who are the dove leaders?

Seh Daeng : Nattawut Saikua, Jatuporn Promphan, Dr weng Tojirakarn, and Wisa Khanthap.

Q : Who are the hawk leaders?

Seh Daeng : Arisman Pongruangrong, Suporn Atthawong, Khwanchai Praipana and Payap Panket.

The doves are bad leaders. The red shirts have come to fight and die. How can they make a deal [with the government] for themselves? The PM's road map, the surrender of Suthep Thaugsuban at the DSI, and at the CSD. I exposed them all. The red shirts have come here for House dissolution, not for the road map.

Q : What do you have to explain to the people about the red shirts' demand?

Seh Daeng : We come here for House dissolution and now we are fooled by the first-tier leaders. Now we are waiting for the second-tier leaders, who have now given a pledge to carry on the protest and now one backs out. Arisman is the leader.

It is not certain if Jatuporn will join the bandwagon. He jumped in and just jumped out.

A few minutes before being shot SD gave this interview.

Who shot him? Seems like its all there to me.

The Army should translate this into Thai and broadcast it very loudly over the rally area...

[Brewsta]

BBC News on cable TV here in Saudi Arabia is reporting Seh Daeng's death........ do we know if this is true, anyone?

Most recent reports seem to say that he is still in a coma and on life support,

Thanks - perhaps our latest sandstorm is obscuring the BBC reporters notes.....

Reuters latest (?):

"Khattiya Sawasdipol, a suspended army specialist better known as "Seh Daeng" (Commander Red), was shot in the head, apparently by a sniper, while talking to reporters on Thursday evening.

He underwent brain surgery and remains in stable condition"

[hyperdimension]

Can someone please at least provide a link to a video showing the process of him being shot?

[DickFarang]

The “dissident” Major-General Khattiya Sawasdipol (“Seh Daeng”) was shot in the head (by an army sniper ?).

Dutch television showed a short movie of the facts.

Major-General Khattiya Sawasdipol was shot when he was being interviewed by a journalist (Fuller ?) of an American newspaper (International Herald Tribune ?)

Nice promotion for Thailand !

[Steely Dan]

Q : Who are the dove leaders?

Seh Daeng : Nattawut Saikua, Jatuporn Promphan, Dr weng Tojirakarn, and Wisa Khanthap.

Q : Who are the hawk leaders?

Seh Daeng : Arisman Pongruangrong, Suporn Atthawong, Khwanchai Praipana and Payap Panket.

The doves are bad leaders. The red shirts have come to fight and die. How can they make a deal [with the government] for themselves? The PM's road map, the surrender of Suthep Thaugsuban at the DSI, and at the CSD. I exposed them all. The red shirts have come here for House dissolution, not for the road map.

Q : What do you have to explain to the people about the red shirts' demand?

Seh Daeng : We come here for House dissolution and now we are fooled by the first-tier leaders. Now we are waiting for the second-tier leaders, who have now given a pledge to carry on the protest and now one backs out. Arisman is the leader.

It is not certain if Jatuporn will join the bandwagon. He jumped in and just jumped out.

A few minutes before being shot SD gave this interview.

Who shot him? Seems like its all there to me.

The Army should translate this into Thai and broadcast it very loudly over the rally area...

Exactly, followed by the message, leave now and live, stay and risk death.

[chrisll]

Well I think he had it coming....

what a silly comment

[viking75]

Q : Who are the dove leaders?

Seh Daeng : Nattawut Saikua, Jatuporn Promphan, Dr weng Tojirakarn, and Wisa Khanthap.

Q : Who are the hawk leaders?

Seh Daeng : Arisman Pongruangrong, Suporn Atthawong, Khwanchai Praipana and Payap Panket.

The doves are bad leaders. The red shirts have come to fight and die. How can they make a deal [with the government] for themselves? The PM's road map, the surrender of Suthep Thaugsuban at the DSI, and at the CSD. I exposed them all. The red shirts have come here for House dissolution, not for the road map.

Q : What do you have to explain to the people about the red shirts' demand?

Seh Daeng : We come here for House dissolution and now we are fooled by the first-tier leaders. Now we are waiting for the second-tier leaders, who have now given a pledge to carry on the protest and now one backs out. Arisman is the leader.

It is not certain if Jatuporn will join the bandwagon. He jumped in and just jumped out.

A few minutes before being shot SD gave this interview.

Who shot him? Seems like its all there to me.

The Army should translate this into Thai and broadcast it very loudly over the rally area...

Exactly, followed by the message, leave now and live, stay and risk death.

This post demostrate what PAD and their falangs lover think country should be like. Elite in charge everybody else can die.

what a fool you are to think killing solve anything. only reds now can think they one nil down in assassination and have to make effort to equalise.

Stupid stupid to want more death.

[pornsasi]

The "dissident" Major-General Khattiya Sawasdipol ("Seh Daeng") was shot in the head (by an army sniper ?).

Dutch television showed a short movie of the facts.

Major-General Khattiya Sawasdipol was shot when he was being interviewed by a journalist (Fuller ?) of an American newspaper (International Herald Tribune ?)

Nice promotion for Thailand !

right !

[Scout666]

Well I think he had it coming....

what a silly comment

Why silly? Oh! Perhaps because he included the words "I think" in his comment.

[Samuian]

rumors will have it that it was a .308 Winchester rifle - that goes with 7.62x51 Ammo?

7.62 mm ----- guess that would inflict much heavier damage...

Any Expert comment on this?

[TPI]

Its impossible for another Army person to fill the role of Sae Daeng. His bamboo barricade technique was unconquerable and he didn't teach anyone the method. Nope, there is only one Army man who can lead a group of terrorists. The battle is over now. We can rest easy.

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[DickFarang]

Title: Shot in the head

Article: Shot in the chest

= The best of Thai media consistency

This article is not from “Thai media” but from AFP (Agence France-Presse), an international (French) news agency.

I agree the article is of poor quality.

AFP is always repeating the same sentences about “mostly poor and working class Reds”, etc., etc.

I saw on Dutch television that Major-General Khattiya Sawasdipol (“Seh Daeng”) was shot in the head when giving an interview to an American reporter.

[kevkev1888]

Can someone please at least provide a link to a video showing the process of him being shot?

You want at least a video of him being shot???

This video dose not exist sorry, I know how inconvinient.

[Motoon]

I wrongly posted this comment on another thread:

I think there are a number of (ex)military- or police-specialists in this forum, so a question to them: It was reported that the hospital operated on Seh Daeng this morning and removed a bullet. If he was shot by a sniper, assuming from some distance, wouldn't the high-speed bullet have passed through his head and made a sizable exit.wound instead ? Does the fact that he had a bullet in the head imply a shot from a less-powerful weapon, perhaps closer than your typical sniper would use ?

,308 is a very small sharply pointed (body armor penetrating) steel projectile that doesn't deform when entering the head - that why it would not cause a massive exit wound - it's the kinetic energy that causes the most damage when a subject is hit in the chest. If the bullet remained in the skull, the shot must have been fired from a substantial distance

but as I said, nobody can tell until forensics are known

One thing seems apparent, if it was a handgun shot from close range, wouldn't the journalist have notice this ?

Agree if it was a sniper shot. Depending on external conditions in the range of 800 - 1200m. I'm talking of a technical issue not the actual incident.

[viking75]

Its impossible for another Army person to fill the role of Sae Daeng. His bamboo barricade technique was unconquerable and he didn't teach anyone the method. Nope, there is only one Army man who can lead a group of terrorists. The battle is over now. We can rest easy.

5555555555

Wait five years for the Movie that will feature this barricade.

so much bad press from assassination attempt that Thailand now going to have big problem in world. esp if they shoot more farmers.

Foreign media that is not control by PAD and Elite see Thai Gov CRES Elite V Farmers as David V Goliath. Just waiting for Army that is command by Goliaths brother but all Red soldiers not want to obey orders. Reds have won media war and gov will be on blacklists and arms bans next if continue to assasinate opposing partys.

PM could face charges if he lands in his HOMELAND!

[MonsieurHulot]

Can someone please at least provide a link to a video showing the process of him being shot?

Why?

[yoshiwara]

THE NATION: Seh Daeng - a night b4 he got shot: "Thaksin doesn't want the protest to be over. If it's over, then (he) won't be able to go home."

Ah, the truth shines out eh? I do hope Seh Daeng pulls through or this was taped as it would be very strong grounds with which to charge Thaksin with treason.

The red leaders were in the process of cutting a deal with the government when Thaksin pulled the plug and showed that he had a separate line into Seh Daeng.

Cue red leaders with egg on their faces.

The hit on Seh Daeng might not upset everybody on both sides, but Thaksin will be livid.

Several of the red leaders now realise that the use of force as a political strategy is a lost momentum.

The loss of Seh Daeng and use of the blackshirts will weaken Thaksin's image.

If and it is a big if, any reds split away, this will be the first opportunity for a return to normalcy.

Thaksin has so far failed in his strategy to bring down the government ahead of scheduled elections and gain control of the army.

As the clock ticks away, his window of opportunity recedes.

Losing your main hit-man doesn't help.

Mind you he still has Arisman.

Thaksin's main hit-mouth.

[daboyz1]

Speaker on NOW speaking in English on the Reds Channel>>>

UDDThailand.com - United front for Democracy against Dictatorship.

I think he's their Media spokesman.

Thanks for that brain burn! Now my wife wants to stay up all nigth watching this drivel.

[LevelHead]

Anyone who celebrates Death is beneath contempt and deserves to be treated in that manner.

But more power to the people who are celebrating all the lives that will be saved by this one death.

'...WILL be saved'.....'Really? That remains to be seen - if he is seen as a martyr by the 'redshirt movement', then more deaths not less may be the tragic result.

I think those who believe that Sae Dengs departure from the scene means the end of the mob are too optimistic. The leaders have too much to loose to stop now.

The ex General will have his terrorists organized in a way that if the head should be captured or killed, there will be a replacement taking over immediately. Even a Thai General would think that far.

The only way to stop this thing will be for the government forces to move in and arrest the lot.

On that note, a humble suggestion on how to stop it with minimal or even no loss of live on both sides:

Fill fire fighting Helicopters with the dirtiest Klong water in Bangkok, with water soluble CN gas mixed in in high doses. Do the same with the water canons. Spray the mob with this every 2 hours for 24 hours.

The CN gas in the water will cause unbearable itching .... the Klong water will cause immediate infections of the wound caused by scratching

A trillion flies will arrive shortly after the first application and make life even more miserable.

Every 4 hours drop CS gas canisters from helicopters

while all this is happening make sure the area is tightly sealed and no one can get out. I make every bet, after 48 hours they will be begging to leave and by their own free will they will enter trucks that will take them to a detention camp where they will be cleaned up and treated before the buff's will be send back to Isaan and the Terrorist and the leaders arrested.

A smelly but non violent solution

Why do you think it will be over if the protests are cleared ?

Might it not then become a non stop barrage of bombs and shootings ( one or two a week) for ever more in Bangkok, just as it is now in the South ?

Is the government going to keep SOE over 16 provinces for a year ?

This resembles now the Elites clinging on to power by using the big stick...... desperate not to have elections, desperate to kill and maim to cling on to power.

Those who think its all over by clearing this protest today must be totally mad....... it looks like this will carry on, in one form or another for a very long time to come, unless there is an election and very very soon.

The South should have taught everyone that the Army shooting people causes more to join the cause, not make the problem go away. The South is an ongoing issue for how many years now ?

[Motoon]

This post demostrate what PAD and their falangs lover think country should be like. Elite in charge everybody else can die.

what a fool you are to think killing solve anything. only reds now can think they one nil down in assassination and have to make effort to equalise.

Stupid stupid to want more death.

Oh look, the farang basher is back again. You wanna see a fool face the mirror. I only agree with your last sentence...

[whybother]

Wait five years for the Movie that will feature this barricade.

so much bad press from assassination attempt that Thailand now going to have big problem in world. esp if they shoot more farmers.

Foreign media that is not control by PAD and Elite see Thai Gov CRES Elite V Farmers as David V Goliath. Just waiting for Army that is command by Goliaths brother but all Red soldiers not want to obey orders. Reds have won media war and gov will be on blacklists and arms bans next if continue to assasinate opposing partys.

PM could face charges if he lands in his HOMELAND!

Are you suggesting that the "bad" press is only about the attempt on Sae Daeng?

I think there has been bad press for the last 8-10 weeks about the protests in general, particularly after April 10 with civilians and soldiers being killed.

What would Abhisit be charged with?

I think you've been listening to too much red media ... or is this all controlled by the PAD and elite too?

[Koh_Falang]

The Army should translate this into Thai and broadcast it very loudly over the rally area...[/b]

Exactly, followed by the message, leave now and live, stay and risk death.

This post demostrate what PAD and their falangs lover think country should be like.

What i dont understand is a Thai person coming onto an "expat" forum and telling the Falang that their opinion doesnt matter because they are falang...

Thats why we have an EXPAT forum... a place where Falang can come and tell other Falang what they think...

You are welcome to join in but we didnt say you have to like it... Go back and argue with your Thai counterparts if you dont like our opinion...

[canuckamuck]

I wrongly posted this comment on another thread:

I think there are a number of (ex)military- or police-specialists in this forum, so a question to them: It was reported that the hospital operated on Seh Daeng this morning and removed a bullet. If he was shot by a sniper, assuming from some distance, wouldn't the high-speed bullet have passed through his head and made a sizable exit.wound instead ? Does the fact that he had a bullet in the head imply a shot from a less-powerful weapon, perhaps closer than your typical sniper would use ?

,308 is a very small sharply pointed (body armor penetrating) steel projectile that doesn't deform when entering the head - that why it would not cause a massive exit wound - it's the kinetic energy that causes the most damage when a subject is hit in the chest. If the bullet remained in the skull, the shot must have been fired from a substantial distance

but as I said, nobody can tell until forensics are known

One thing seems apparent, if it was a handgun shot from close range, wouldn't the journalist have notice this ?

Agree if it was a sniper shot. Depending on external conditions in the range of 800 - 1200m. I'm talking of a technical issue not the actual incident.

Where are you guys getting the information on the bullets caliber. I seriously doubt that a bullet was recovered at all (despite one report). A human head is not much of barrier for most rifles, I have seen what a .308 can do to a moose at 300 meters. I can't imagine that an unprotected head would stop one. And why do we think it is a .308 at all? If there is a recovered bullet than it couldn't have had much energy at impact, considering the guy lived through it.

I think that the bullet went clean through and that is why SD is still alive. Either that or a ricochet off the skull and no brain penetration.

In any case, it is still too early to know which reports are true.

[Me&MrsJones]

I wrongly posted this comment on another thread:

I think there are a number of (ex)military- or police-specialists in this forum, so a question to them: It was reported that the hospital operated on Seh Daeng this morning and removed a bullet. If he was shot by a sniper, assuming from some distance, wouldn't the high-speed bullet have passed through his head and made a sizable exit.wound instead ? Does the fact that he had a bullet in the head imply a shot from a less-powerful weapon, perhaps closer than your typical sniper would use ?

It would depend on what weapon was being used by the 'sniper' and his distance from the target. recently a British para sniper shot two guys in afghanistan from I believe 2 miles away (maybe someone can correct me on the distance), he was using a high powered rifle obviously so the bullets still had enough velocity to kill their targets. If it was not high velocity then it is possible the bullet would not reach the target in that instance.

Too many people get carried away with the word 'sniper' on here, it is just as possible it was from a different weapon at a closer distance, less velocity, but still aimed and fired nevertheless, possibly not a specialised sniper as they would not go for the head (even though the head normaly means a kill, they aim for the torso which is a larger area and a high velocity round would probably have the same result).

But in the case of a proper sniper from distance, the chances are he would use high velocity and that would probably cause more damage than we have here.

Due to the topography that the target found himself in when the shot was made, this shot was taken from a considerably short distance (no more than 100 yards) - unless of course a sniper was concealed up on one of the top floors of a very tall building (Bayoke Tower, for example) and put one down range from there. But i doubt that!

From an elevated point of concealment, at top range, even making adjustments for wind/bullet drop/humidity etc..... with all the wires, posts, overhead cables, concrete bridges, concrete overpasses in Bangkok acting as obstacles......i would say that the risk of taking and making a long range shot would be high ...and therefore very unlikely to be taken. It would be difficult for a sniper to predict where Seh Daeng would precisely be standing too....and when you think of all the physical obstacles preventing a clear line of sight, it would be very difficulty to find a strong laying up position without some kind of detailed prep (about where the target would precisely be standing). If that was done, then Seh Daeng was set up. Shock, horror!

The reason i believe the shot was taken from close quarters, with possibly a side-arm or low powered rifle, is because the target would NEVER have survived (a headshot, no less) if he had taken one from a sniper rifle at such short a distance (even at top range, the chances of him surviving a headshot are nil at best). Not only that, the round would have passed through the primary target and killed or seriously injured the guy standing behind him. A decent sniper's rifle can disable vehicles with a shot to the engine block - thats how powerful they are! The rounds are high calibre, they travel much faster than standard rounds...and they are heavier, bigger and so far more powerful. All in all, they do untold damage!!!

But the bullet that Seh Daeng took, was not a sniper's round!! Not in a million years! Even if they showed me "the" round, i would not believe it. But i guess they'll stick to their sensationalistic media hype and have us all believe there are ghillie suits everwhere.

Seh Daeng definately had a red shirt yesterday!!

[Samuian]

THE NATION: Seh Daeng - a night b4 he got shot: "Thaksin doesn't want the protest to be over. If it's over, then (he) won't be able to go home."

Ah, the truth shines out eh? I do hope Seh Daeng pulls through or this was taped as it would be very strong grounds with which to charge Thaksin with treason.

The red leaders were in the process of cutting a deal with the government when Thaksin pulled the plug and showed that he had a separate line into Seh Daeng.

Cue red leaders with egg on their faces.

The hit on Seh Daeng might not upset everybody on both sides, but Thaksin will be livid.

Several of the red leaders now realise that the use of force as a political strategy is a lost momentum.

The loss of Seh Daeng and use of the blackshirts will weaken Thaksin's image.

If and it is a big if, any reds split away, this will be the first opportunity for a return to normalcy.

Thaksin has so far failed in his strategy to bring down the government ahead of scheduled elections and gain control of the army.

As the clock ticks away, his window of opportunity recedes.

Losing your main hit-man doesn't help.

Mind you he still has Arisman.

Thaksin's main hit-mouth.

Think the whole attempt - crossing over to violence makes the sore loser even a bigger loser!

See the writing on the wall - "War on drugs", "Tak Bai", Krue Sae"..... tells it all!

there is a lose cannon out there, who will go what ever it takes to take revenge -see how far he's gone already!

Wonder what happens if he decides it's all lost......