There are enough morons to talk about here involved with this struggle to bring in "W" who is seen as an incredibly dangerous idiot by most of the world.

if it is really the case that you feel we shoudnt comment on W here then why, pray tell, do you feel compelled to comment, in the very same sentance, on W?

or are logic and consistency not necessary ingredients to discussion in your modest opinion?

Why do so many posters see no problems in the army firing live rounds at protesters building barricades and running into the open with makeshift weapons such as slingshots and rocks? Prime Minister Aphisit said that the army would conduct itself according to international standards. The international standard in this situation is the UN Basic Principles on the Use of Force and Firearms by Law Enforcement Officials, which requires an imminent threat to life to be present before lethal force is used. Observers abroad are commenting on the disproportionate violence. Clearly the majority of TV posters do not like the stance taken by the BBC, CNN, etc. I don't expect that they will be happy either to see the top item on the Human Rights Watch homepage.

http://www.hrw.org/en/home

One does not need to support Thaksin or the wider red shirt cause to know that shooting people like this is wrong.

The reds on the stage have been calling it and calling for WAR. In war, people use weapons to WIN. With choice being the reds or the govt., I want the govt. to win.

What the reds want is something they don't even know.

They say they want democracy but all their actions are ant-democratic

They say they want fairness but break laws that are not just specific to Thailand but almost any nation.

They say they want justice but want to be held unaccountable for the lawlessness.

They say they are peaceful but attack authorities

They say they are law abiding but have stolen billions of dollars in public and private property

They say they care about Thailand but have tremendously hurt Thailand and its people

They say what the Yellows did was wrong but they do much worse

The list goes on and on and on ....

The bottom line is a democracy cannot function if society gives into any demands of a lawless mob. And no democracy can exist if it is incapable or unwilling to enforce the laws.

What we see happening on the streets now is democracy in action ... sad but true. Almost every nation that wants peace and democracy have had to fight evil doers such as those having taken over the streets of BKK.

Why would the red shirts shoot an RPG at an hotel ?

The shooting of journalists , reporters and foreigners is a government specialty

check the facts

If the red had RPGs they would retaliate against those shooting them

not against an hotel populated by farangs .

The Reds shot at the hotel since there was rumors that soldiers was there.

Rumors spread quickly in yaabaa-heads.

And you both manage to deny and defend the action in one post...congratulations for officially supporting terrorism. Want a medal?

The Reds also raid the Chula Hospital because they "thought" soldiers were in there.

First they are not terrorists

Second they dont have machine guns .

Third if they had machine guns you would see tens of soldiers killed

Please dont alter the truth . Thank you

PS : Or if they have machine guns they dont use them , which comes to the same

as not having them

The threat of violence is basically the same as violence.

But the facts are 1) They have high powered rifles 2) They are shooting at the army.

First they are not terrorists

Second they dont have machine guns .

Third if they had machine guns you would see tens of soldiers killed

Please dont alter the truth . Thank you

PS : Or if they have machine guns they dont use them , which comes to the same

as not having them

They don't need machine guns - they have M79 grenade launchers! Terrorists!

right or wrong

No one takes you serious here until you have at least 6 months membership under your belt

that’s about 50-100 posts

Right or wrong

To be taken seriously needs at least 183 days as a member that's about

51-101 posts to be taken seriously?

Seriously?

Maybe fresh and less pre-conceived comments are what we should take seriously.

Right or wrong.

PS Not suggesting my comments are worthy of being taken seriously, however not apologizing for being a 'newbie' a month ago

Sorry to say, but there was never a proposal coming from the reds apart from demanding the impossible.

democracy is happening in iraq.

surely it is possible in thailand too.

Why no water cannons? There is enough dirty water in the khlongs of Bangkok. Instead of bullets. It's what civilized countries do.

Why do you only see one side so completely? In CIVILISED countries the protestors protest PEACEFULLY or at least do not use grenades and guns on people. If they did that in a civilised country like the States they military or police would immediately take them out with lethal force. YOU KNOW THIS so stop playing.

in civilised country the police is used not the army .

Oops!

1964 Watts Riot, L.A., Calif.?

1972 Kent State University?

1969 Berkeley, California? (I saw the army in person on that day!)

The army national guard in the States is routinely called out to help quell civil disturbances. Maybe your more serious mistake is your use of "civilised?"

You need to revise at least one of your pronouncements.

right or wrong

No one takes you serious here until you have at least 6 months membership under your belt

that's about 50-100 posts

That's an awful lot of posting. in 6 years I haven't got that many. Personally, I think that anyone that spends a lot of their time posting on internet forums(i.e 5 a day or more) needs some kind of counseling. Not counting Admin. and Mods.

I wonder how long a lot of you posters have been in Thailand and know the value(or lack of) of life. How many really know the way that Thai politics works. I find it depressing to read all these opinions by people who haven't really a clue about any of it.

As you are returning to my post I will answer

Member since 2005

posting nearly 700

why TV, because I get more information than reading the Bangkok posting every morning

I first came to Thailand in 2004 and worked here for 4 years teaching and learning Thai culture as part of my job

Have a thai wife and lived in Issan for 2 years

also have a child that can talk in both English and thai

My wifes best friend teaches Political Science in University

I am a devote Buddhist

I am now waiting for you reasons why you feel you are better at understanding Thailand than I do

Ozzie,

I wouldnt get too excited by a post like this. Its one of those typical ones where some person announces out loud what 'they do' and anyone that doesnt comply with this way of life needs professional help.

Its different courses for different horses, up to him, whatever floats his boat. Imagine how boring it would be if everyone did exactly the same as this guy. In his world 5 posts per day is the mark where you tip over the edge from sane to insanity, up to him. Perhaps he spends 20 minutes a day sitting in front of the mirror blowing raspberries at himself, whereas others only spent 5 minutes.

Anyway, it a nutshell, everyones entitled to their own opinion. I don't care about what he thinks, afterall hes just a somebody @ the end of the optical fibre cord & probably not what he says either

news update;

My gf works at california wow asok (sukh 23) and says they have been ordered to go home. She says the army is there. ( 4:00)pm

Seriously?

Maybe fresh and less pre-conceived comments are what we should take seriously.

Right or wrong.

Focus Andrew, please learn to use the 'quoting' function of the forum.

news update;

My gf works at california wow asok

Please post pictures

Pig.

Do a little research on the circumstances of the boy's death.

It won't hurt you to do a little fact finding, or are you totally incompetent?

Do you know how to use the 'search' button?

you may rest assured that all my comments are researched, often in person. in this case, here is my source:

"a boy approximately 10 years of age took a bullet to the stomach that ruptured his intestines."

http://www.bangkokrecorder.com/translated-...-old-kid-that-g

anything else i can do for you?

news update;

My gf works at california wow asok (sukh 23) and says they have been ordered to go home. She says the army is there. ( 4:00)pm

Nothing like a mango smoothie at the juice bar before hitting the streets and taking pot shots at some rescue workers and foreign reporters.

we all need your smart brain

your much too kind.

as for yours, well, my sincerest condolences.

news update;

My gf works at california wow asok (sukh 23) and says they have been ordered to go home. She says the army is there. ( 4:00)pm

Nothing like a mango smoothie at the juice bar before hitting the streets and taking pot shots at some rescue workers and foreign reporters.

lol. So says the guy who just so happened to join TV yesterday.

Oh but hey, did you see the pictures of the reds holding up the kid above the barricades to be shot?

I condemn the Red Shirts, for hiding behind women, children, and the elderly. There will be a special place in hel_l for them, surely. They'll be upstairs from their master, though.

Take a look at this photo. Do these people look like criminals to you? Taken today.

What does a criminal look like? Mask over his eyes?

Why would the red shirts shoot an RPG at an hotel ?

The shooting of journalists , reporters and foreigners is a government specialty

check the facts

If the red had RPGs they would retaliate against those shooting them

not against an hotel populated by farangs .

The Reds shot at the hotel since there was rumors that soldiers was there.

Rumors spread quickly in yaabaa-heads.

And you both manage to deny and defend the action in one post...congratulations for officially supporting terrorism. Want a medal?

Pornsasi would blame the Strawberry Cheesecake girls for this before his beloved reds. They could uncover crates of grenades and machine guns in the red camp and he would say Tata Young must have put them there not the peaceful red shirts.

The reds shouldn't have sheltered the bomb-throwing brigade in their ranks. They used weapons against troops in riot gear on April 10, and that is why soldiers now carry rifles instead.

news update;

My gf works at california wow asok (sukh 23) and says they have been ordered to go home. She says the army is there. ( 4:00)pm

Nothing like a mango smoothie at the juice bar before hitting the streets and taking pot shots at some rescue workers and foreign reporters.

lol. So says the guy who just so happened to join TV yesterday.

Oh but hey, did you see the pictures of the reds holding up the kid above the barricades to be shot?

Classic!

The reds shouldn't have sheltered the bomb-throwing brigade in their ranks. They used weapons against troops in riot gear on April 10, and that is why soldiers now carry rifles instead.

Unfortunately, killers like just like normal people... unless you actually see them killing that is! The Reds are being inundated with pictures of Red victims and soldiers with guns, but unless they are on the front lines themselves, they probably aren't aware of the militants on their own side.

news update;

My gf works at california wow asok (sukh 23) and says they have been ordered to go home. She says the army is there. ( 4:00)pm

Nothing like a mango smoothie at the juice bar before hitting the streets and taking pot shots at some rescue workers and foreign reporters.

lol. So says the guy who just so happened to join TV yesterday.

Oh but hey, did you see the pictures of the reds holding up the kid above the barricades to be shot?

reds shooting journos and medics not the military everyone knows this CRES is reporting this already and the evidence will prove it no doubt.

I condemn the Red Shirts, for hiding behind women, children, and the elderly. There will be a special place in hel_l for them, surely. They'll be upstairs from their master, though.

their polemics are the same as of the other self declared "freedom fighters", their behavior is the same, their shields are the same - shame, shame, shame!

How come that non of these "freedom fighters" ever did ask the general public if they want to be rescued?

And then, yes, where exactly is this Oppression, the oppressive dictator ship in the land of smiles, in the land of the free?

i cannot believe that there is not much more going on AGAINST these hooligans, claiming to "fight for democrazy"

this is completely beyond my comprehension, how people in the 21st Century in one of the major cities in the world - can watch this circus go on and hold still while their entire Life, livelihood is hold at ransom by some freaks, who decided to go on a paid rampage for a hurt loser!

It's sad,very sad - nothing against ahimsa - non-violence... but this is going way too far!

The reds shouldn't have sheltered the bomb-throwing brigade in their ranks. They used weapons against troops in riot gear on April 10, and that is why soldiers now carry rifles instead.

exactly right

Take a look at this photo. Do these people look like criminals to you? Taken today.

What does a criminal look like? Mask over his eyes?

criminals look like this

Why no water cannons? There is enough dirty water in the khlongs of Bangkok. Instead of bullets. It's what civilized countries do.

Why do you only see one side so completely? In CIVILISED countries the protestors protest PEACEFULLY or at least do not use grenades and guns on people. If they did that in a civilised country like the States they military or police would immediately take them out with lethal force. YOU KNOW THIS so stop playing.

in civilised country the police is used not the army .

Oops!

1964 Watts Riot, L.A., Calif.?

1972 Kent State University?

1969 Berkeley, California? (I saw the army in person on that day!)

The army national guard in the States is routinely called out to help quell civil disturbances. Maybe your more serious mistake is your use of "civilised?"

You need to revise at least one of your pronouncements.

You don't even need to go back that far. They come out in disasters too such as New Orleans Hurricane as well as now holding a presence at many airports throughout the nation since 9/11 to just name a few.

Edit: The were also deployed during the Rodney King Riots in LA

I condemn the Red Shirts, for hiding behind women, children, and the elderly. There will be a special place in hel_l for them, surely. They'll be upstairs from their master, though.

their polemics are the same as of the other self declared "freedom fighters", their behavior is the same, their shields are the same - shame, shame, shame!

How come that non of these "freedom fighters" ever did ask the general public if they want to be rescued?

And then, yes, where exactly is this Oppression, the oppressive dictator ship in the land of smiles, in the land of the free?

i cannot believe that there is not much more going on AGAINST these hooligans, claiming to "fight for democrazy"

this is completely beyond my comprehension, how people in the 21st Century in one of the major cities in the world - can watch this circus go on and hold still while their entire Life, livelihood is hold at ransom by some freaks, who decided to go on a paid rampage for a hurt loser!

It's sad,very sad - nothing against ahimsa - non-violence... but this is going way too far!

Agree 1000%

right or wrong

No one takes you serious here until you have at least 6 months membership under your belt

that’s about 50-100 posts

That's an awful lot of posting. in 6 years I haven't got that many. Personally, I think that anyone that spends a lot of their time posting on internet forums(i.e 5 a day or more) needs some kind of counseling. Not counting Admin. and Mods.

I wonder how long a lot of you posters have been in Thailand and know the value(or lack of) of life. How many really know the way that Thai politics works. I find it depressing to read all these opinions by people who haven't really a clue about any of it.

Joohnniey.

Time in Thailand can teach one to be less judgemental of others. However teaching is 5% and learning 95%. Suggest in your court... Your choice of quantity and quality of posts up to you. Seeking of counselling is also a personal thing, but I would humbly suggest you seek. How do you presume to know other's understanding of the value of life, another's understanding of Thai politics, what clues they have etc etc. If you find this depressing then there are very good and specific medications available. First step is to realise and ask.

Good luck with your problems. Maybe I need to up my meds as I still love the . x

PS Bit of a suck up to exclude Admin. and Mods in fear of the consequence that you'll have no-one to listen if they take appropriate action. God Bless.