Thaksin - Will Interpol Act?

[Nowhereman60]

The weighted index says that the plan is not weighted in favour of the Government, the red shirt trash will be back on the streets again, if Thaskin is escorted back to Thailand, the best argument is for Mossad to complete the job, and a good job they do ,they even use fake Australian Passports, but the boys and girls of Mossad have a good score when it comes to the hit rate, 100%.

I agree let Mossad take him out.

I am worried if they do get him back what that will cause? A living Martyr? All the reds will retrun to bangkok or will they let him out on bail and he can flee the country again???

Typical thai and never think things all the way thru

You just committed an act of terrorism and will be charged by the DSI. Now you see why Thailand is the laughing stock of the western world.

[jsnho]

as long as a pm is toppled by millitary without going through legal basis action. the world will consider this as political motivated. and since it's political motivated meaning they will try all way to charge u even u have the best lawyer in the world because they already want u to die. and if he come back to thailand to face charge, they will force him to sit in jail for 2year. that's so f up.

saying him supporting the UDD (which is not a terrorist organisation) if they are so. so does PAD and multicolour, double standard for the govt. so what if they found gun, not everyone is holding gun and black shirt is. they are red shirt.

for those who have less knowledge about the govt, because u r low pay, because u dont know it well and only see thru your own country restricted news.

in thailand, u pay to get out of trouble if u r rich enough. for those who are earning 200k baht monthly think again, how many of u. and do you really read international news daily like me?

do you know how black the political scene is? i dont think you know it well.

there's alot of secret hidden not just because they want to toppled the govt. more complicated actually.

for those who get killed in the war zone, all of them are killed without weapon. you think only black shirt? but did you see the video of the army shooting live round against the so call unarmed terrorist? even reporter, innocent resident and old people?

last wed when they start to burn down those bank and building. i'm at dindaeng area with my camera. they shouted at me not to take picture even they have weapon in their hand, they dont take the life of a innocent photographer. they dont scare of death because they know the govt is trying to blacklist them.

even a protestor is know as terrorist because some black shirt guy have weapons, something is not right, the govt is just trying to put blame on the so called terrorist innocent protestor. that is a stupid charges.

the protest suppose to be peaceful, but after the crackdown on the innocent protestor that kill so many of them include the reporter and hitting their own officer by their own weapons because they have a great chance in promoting. (for those who never read the news, those officer that got injures or killed are the one that are close to Chief of Army and waiting for promotion.) and how will the black shirt know who to kill, unless those already planned assault.

there's many questions that are unanswered and also many double standard from the current govt.

there's too many hidden secret among themselve including corruption which is well known in thailand. and for all the thai, PM is borned in other country, he's not a real thai. if so many people can support thaksin, not just only $ can do, but there must be some serious reason for them to risk their life against so little $.

oh forget to mention, don't oppose the govt if you are rich, because they can help you alot when you are in trouble, $ really do alot thing in thailand especially if you are rich and know alot of people. i tried it before and i know it well. just make sure you are rich and you should able to fulfill your dream haha

Edited May 27, 2010 by jsnho

[jdinasia]

I see Tony is trying to play the semantics game on page one. In Thailand the official reading of the charges and indictment happen when the suspect is taken into the court for the first time. The suspect must be present.

The warrant itself with substatiating evidence listed (not presented) is enough for extradition for trial. Tony is trying to make a case for the extradition of a convicted fugitive and this is not the case. The matter at hand is the extradition of a wanted criminal. Any state can request that and it does NOT require more than the warrant.

Interpol will be in a tricky situation should they fail to work with the Kingdom's government in this case as there is the possibility that the Kingdom will refuse to aid them in the future. Granted, Interpol has screwed up several cases here in Thailand in recent history and has a bit less credibility due to that.

They may chose (Interpol) not to help in facilitating an arrest but I rather doubt that. Helping with extradition? Who knows if the Kingdom actually WANTS Thaksin extradited to Thailand?

[rubl]

The weighted index says that the plan is not weighted in favour of the Government, the red shirt trash will be back on the streets again, if Thaskin is escorted back to Thailand, the best argument is for Mossad to complete the job, and a good job they do ,they even use fake Australian Passports, but the boys and girls of Mossad have a good score when it comes to the hit rate, 100%.

I agree let Mossad take him out.

I am worried if they do get him back what that will cause? A living Martyr? All the reds will retrun to bangkok or will they let him out on bail and he can flee the country again???

Typical thai and never think things all the way thru

You just committed an act of terrorism and will be charged by the DSI. Now you see why Thailand is the laughing stock of the western world.

Stupid remark, yes. Charged by DSI, no. If Richard makes a dumb remark, how does that effect either DSI, or make Thailand laughing stock? Maybe nowhereman should go back to nowhereland ?

[rubl]

English needs a lot of editing....

http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2010/s2910366.htm

This is a better link to the Thaksin interview yesterday>>>

http://www.abc.net.au/news/video/2010/05/26/2910366.htm

That seems to be typical of politicians. give an answer to a question not asked.

"TONY JONES: Are you prepared to go back to Thailand and face up to the terrorism charges that have been levelled against you?

THAKSIN SHINAWATRA: Well, first of all let me express my sympathy of the arrests of the Australian that went on the stage after the Red Shirts and been arrested."

K. Thaksin should also read "Yes, Minister" (BBC TV series), educating literature.

[jdinasia]

Yes but the last news we got on that situation was one of them was out of the country and the others were busy doing important things. What are the charges Loitering.

You tribulize occupying the airport. Like it or not we are still suffering from the effects. Kidnapping over a quarter of a million tourists is not a trivial matter and travel agents have long memories. The red shirts brought shame to Thailand The yellow shirts brought distrust.

I suggest you go back and do a bit of research before spouting things that are not true. In fact forum rules say that telling lies (including things that can reasonably be considered to be untrue) is a violation of said rules.

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[Hawk]

If Interpol act then it will show them to be supporting and condoning an illegitimate government.

Therefore, it would be in Interpol's best interest to ignore the request of the Thai government(?).

Where is the proof of Thaksin's terrorist activities? Giving a few non committal sermons to the folks back home cannot be seen as a blatant terrorist activity.

What about all those religious people, both in the US and the UK who shout and scream for the downfall of the wicked leaders in the west, they are left alone.

Paper trails would be evidence of Thaksin giving money to the reds, but there are no paper trails, therefore no evidence.

Look at Thaksin's sermons to the faithful, they are fiery but he draws back from actually saying anything of a terroristic nature. Has anyone seen him standing in front the camera with a gun in one hand and a grenade in the other calling on people to kill the Democrat pigs?

Without solid proof, its all hearsay and smoke, cooked up by politicians in Bangkok. Yes, we all know what he's up to and was doing, but you got to have solid proof, without evidence there's nothing but hot air and stupid, endless debates.

Edited May 27, 2010 by Hawk

[rabo]

1. You take the best lawyer, who is willing to take the case, I think many may not be willing.

2. You take the best lawyer that you perceive to be the best, who is willing to take the case.

3. With equal legal effort, the best lawyer can not erase the truth of the matter.

4. Thailand has more to spend than Thaksin, especially if the terrorist charge helps to freeze T's overseas money.

Reading Amsterdam's resume, I don't see a top notch lawyer, more like a Madoff of the legal world.

Number 3 is the most important point you make and the point that most seem to be missing.

As for Thaksin's defense that it was all politically motivated ----

"Yes, that's right sir. I killed them and burnt down the capital because they threw me out for corruption."

"Yes, that's right sir. I am from Thailand. I was a politician."

[Nowhereman60]

Rubi if I am pissing you off. GOOD, made my day.

[chantorn]

If Interpol act then it will show them to be supporting and condoning an illegitimate government.

Therefore, it would be in Interpol's best interest to ignore the request of the Thai government(?).

Where is the proof of Thaksin's terrorist activities? Giving a few non committal sermons to the folks back home cannot be seen as a blatant terrorist activity.

What about all those religious people, both in the US and the UK who shout and scream for the downfall of the wicked leaders in the west, they are left alone.

Paper trails would be evidence of Thaksin giving money to the reds, but there are no paper trails, therefore no evidence.

Look at Thaksin's sermons to the faithful, they are fiery but he draws back from actually saying anything of a terroristic nature. Has anyone seen him standing in front the camera with a gun in one hand and a grenade in the other calling on people to kill the Democrat pigs?

Without solid proof, its all hearsay and smoke, cooked up by politicians in Bangkok. Yes, we all know what he's up to and was doing, but you got to have solid proof, without evidence there's nothing but hot air and stupid, endless debates.

I am sure there is proof.

Else Thai court will not approve DSI request.

Thai court have to be fair too, not just DSI, CRES & Mark.

[rubl]

Rubi if I am pissing you off. GOOD, made my day.

If pissing me off makes your day, you shouldn't be in this forum. But please have the decency to quote my name correctly "RUBL" !

[SomTumTiger]

Rubi if I am pissing you off. GOOD, made my day.

If pissing me off makes your day, you shouldn't be in this forum. But please have the decency to quote my name correctly "RUBL" !

That's not your name - that is your made up anonymous moniker. Who care's if its misspelled

[rubl]

Rubi if I am pissing you off. GOOD, made my day.

If pissing me off makes your day, you shouldn't be in this forum. But please have the decency to quote my name correctly "RUBL" !

That's not your name - that is your made up anonymous moniker. Who care's if its misspelled

Actually it's the first two letters of my first name combined with the first two of my family name. So I care

Edited May 27, 2010 by rubl

[tonywebster]

I see Tony is trying to play the semantics game on page one. In Thailand the official reading of the charges and indictment happen when the suspect is taken into the court for the first time. The suspect must be present.

The warrant itself with substatiating evidence listed (not presented) is enough for extradition for trial. Tony is trying to make a case for the extradition of a convicted fugitive and this is not the case. The matter at hand is the extradition of a wanted criminal. Any state can request that and it does NOT require more than the warrant.

Interpol will be in a tricky situation should they fail to work with the Kingdom's government in this case as there is the possibility that the Kingdom will refuse to aid them in the future. Granted, Interpol has screwed up several cases here in Thailand in recent history and has a bit less credibility due to that.

They may chose (Interpol) not to help in facilitating an arrest but I rather doubt that. Helping with extradition? Who knows if the Kingdom actually WANTS Thaksin extradited to Thailand?

Do they want to extradite him on his conviction, or do they want to extradite him because there is a warrant for the accusation that he is a terrorist? There is no charges for terrorism as yet.

Now if they want to extradite him on his conviction, well they have a made a pigs ear of that up to now, and i think we can agree that the majority of countries will see it as politically motivated, if they want to extradite him for terrorism then they need to understand that nobody will extradite him based on the death penalty in Thailand for this offence, this is not even taking into account the lack of evidence or charges.

As for interpol being worried about thailand, yeah i am sure they are having sleepless nights about that one.

When will people realise that Thailand means nothing to people outside of Thailand?

[BlueTerrace]

France is the preffered abode of all the very best political crimminals.

[tonywebster]

If Interpol act then it will show them to be supporting and condoning an illegitimate government.

Therefore, it would be in Interpol's best interest to ignore the request of the Thai government(?).

Where is the proof of Thaksin's terrorist activities? Giving a few non committal sermons to the folks back home cannot be seen as a blatant terrorist activity.

What about all those religious people, both in the US and the UK who shout and scream for the downfall of the wicked leaders in the west, they are left alone.

Paper trails would be evidence of Thaksin giving money to the reds, but there are no paper trails, therefore no evidence.

Look at Thaksin's sermons to the faithful, they are fiery but he draws back from actually saying anything of a terroristic nature. Has anyone seen him standing in front the camera with a gun in one hand and a grenade in the other calling on people to kill the Democrat pigs?

Without solid proof, its all hearsay and smoke, cooked up by politicians in Bangkok. Yes, we all know what he's up to and was doing, but you got to have solid proof, without evidence there's nothing but hot air and stupid, endless debates.

I am sure there is proof.

Else Thai court will not approve DSI request.

Thai court have to be fair too, not just DSI, CRES & Mark.

Sorry your last line deserves this smiley

[SomTumTiger]

Rubi if I am pissing you off. GOOD, made my day.

If pissing me off makes your day, you shouldn't be in this forum. But please have the decency to quote my name correctly "RUBL" !

That's not your name - that is your made up anonymous moniker. Who care's if its misspelled

Actually it's the first two letters of my first name combined with the first two of my family name. So I care

Well that makes one of you.

[needforspeed]

No, Interpol will investigate a request by themself.

The investigations is related to the reliabilithy of politicians and lawyers running the country during the request.

In this case there will be a huge investigation organized before they going to take any action.

My point of vieuw they don't going to do anything after they find there own facts and conclusions.

[jdinasia]

I see Tony is trying to play the semantics game on page one. In Thailand the official reading of the charges and indictment happen when the suspect is taken into the court for the first time. The suspect must be present.

The warrant itself with substatiating evidence listed (not presented) is enough for extradition for trial. Tony is trying to make a case for the extradition of a convicted fugitive and this is not the case. The matter at hand is the extradition of a wanted criminal. Any state can request that and it does NOT require more than the warrant.

Interpol will be in a tricky situation should they fail to work with the Kingdom's government in this case as there is the possibility that the Kingdom will refuse to aid them in the future. Granted, Interpol has screwed up several cases here in Thailand in recent history and has a bit less credibility due to that.

They may chose (Interpol) not to help in facilitating an arrest but I rather doubt that. Helping with extradition? Who knows if the Kingdom actually WANTS Thaksin extradited to Thailand?

Do they want to extradite him on his conviction, or do they want to extradite him because there is a warrant for the accusation that he is a terrorist? There is no charges for terrorism as yet.

Now if they want to extradite him on his conviction, well they have a made a pigs ear of that up to now, and i think we can agree that the majority of countries will see it as politically motivated, if they want to extradite him for terrorism then they need to understand that nobody will extradite him based on the death penalty in Thailand for this offence, this is not even taking into account the lack of evidence or charges.

As for interpol being worried about thailand, yeah i am sure they are having sleepless nights about that one.

When will people realise that Thailand means nothing to people outside of Thailand?

Again --- Tony (I am not a red!) Webster attempts to play semantics. The arrest warrant is for terrorism. Thai law requires the defendant appear to hear the charges. That is what an arrest warrant is for. You know this (one would assume) but try and play stupid about it. Interpol does facilitate in the arrest of people wanted for trial, they do not just act as a fugitive recovery squad. Interpol does not have any rule to cover arresting fugitives for corruption. Interpol DOES have rules covering the arrest pending trial on people wanted for terrorism.

Playing the game to make this about the corruption case that Thaksin IS guilty of (and no we do NOT agree that the case was politically motivated!) and not about the terrorism charges is making a strawman argument. (Or possibly cherry-picking.)

None of us have seen the evidence laid out against Thaksin as a terrorist but we can assume from things that have been reported over time that it will include.

1) A money trail from overseas (Dubai in particular but not nec. limited to being from Dubai)

2) Signals intercepts (Communications from Thaksin to his lackeys here in Thailand and elsewhere)

3) Statements from indicted and undicted co-conspirators

4) Thaksin's personal statements made to the public.

Absolutely possible to get a warrant for any 2 of the above that will be honored by the West. Remember this isn't a charge that is minor. Terrorism is a frightening thing and the buzz-word of the day to get action anywhere in the West.

The semantics game seems important to some people. Like suggesting that Thaksin was tried in absentia for his crimes makes a difference. Thaksin appeared in court. Thaksin stated he trusted the Thai legal system. Thaksin's lawyers were sentenced to 6 months in jail for contempt of court after trying to buy justice. Thaksin ran away. Thaksin was STILL represented by lawyers when he was convicted and the criminal proceedings against him did not stop just because he ran away.

[Samuian]

Interpol will make decsions based on technical legal reasons not politics. It will be a time in coming as first certain things must go through the Thai legal system and then be passed on. This isnt something that interpol will decide on today based on what newspapaers, a single Thai police officer, a government spokesperson, Amsterdam or Thaksin say and they also wont be influenced by any of that. It will depend upon the papaerwork being done correctly and the evidence and critically the financial evidence.

some people on here seem to think interpol will get him because he said they won't, a bit sad really, some people have been in thailand too long and think the thai way of doing something is the same in the civilised world They forget that in the west rule of law is observed and it is observed based on hard evidence. Interpol can not extradite anyway, they can arrest him in a country and then he is handed to that country, thailand then has to try for extradition, and considering he was ousted in an illegal coup it is highly likely that they will see this as politically motivated, especially after amsterdam gets his teeth into them (despite many on here thinking he is clueless, he is a dam_n good lawyer, just because he goes agaisnt what many on here think does not make him clueless, and lets not forget he is privy to more facts than any of us on here)

Well your statement regarding having someone in the defense like R.Amsterdam makes the rule of law in the west a farce too - doesn't it?

So, after all the famous "rule of law" in the so called "civilized" countries isn't really that much ahead of any 3rd world fiefdoms isn't it?

Just remember the O.J. Simpson case... ! ?

It states clearly that he/she however has the money to afford a "good lawyer" will be able to have fiance someone, who employs a team to find ANY possible loop hole and bend the Paragraphs of law in a way that wrong become right if not right then certainly not wrong!

taking all of this under consideration - even he manages to struggle free that still doesn't make this man innocent!

His hand are dripping with blood and he was is the ONE - no but's 'n if's!

get it?

so let me get this straight. If you employ a good lawyer you must be guilty, if you employ someone to do their job properly and hold others accountable when they fail to their job properly you must be guilty? If the government does not do their job or if the law says something is not right, or if there is a loophole then surely it is up to the prosecution to fix this. So you think the law is ok if it finds people that you don't like to be guilty, but of that person is found not guilty based on the law it is because they have employed an expensive lawyer. Even expensive lawyers have to follow the legal system, do you think if you pay more for one he can break the law, he can walk into court and say to the judge "hey, i am expensive so you will listen to me and find in my favour".

Clearly you know something we don't, you are 100% certain he is guilty so you must have evidence to prove this, present yourself to the DSI immediately and give them all this evidence that you seem to have amassed, you can be the hero of the hour.

or on the other hand just let the thai government handle it in their usual slipshod way and hope they find another government with the same menatlity.

I have heard it all now, employing a good lawyer means you are guilty

Didn't think that you are riding the simplistic lane -

but it shows that you don't have a better argument at hand and can't argue the case I made...

well, I didn't have to "make it" it's a fact of life!

Is it that why you didn't go further into the O.J. Simpson case?

blood droplets on his shoes, socks..... and, and.... in Thaksin's case VDO's Interviews, where he slips and well' wait - what the money trail will show - forgotten, that now all larger transfers worldwide are monitored - triggered by the 9/11 or are you one of the team that insists this was all a mighty conspiracy?

Just check out the sputtering in Mr.Thaksins latest interview with.... the ABC and him praising the "Australian"... he never was very fond of foreigners, by the way!

ah' well you are absolutely entitled to have any opinion.... we live in a "free" world!

Don't even try to defend this person....!

yes, money does the talking!

Anywhere in this world and keeps you on the move!

Why did it take so long to have someone like Rakesh Saxena back to Thailand, he was in a civilized country, like Canada all the time, because he employed some barrister from "around the corner"?

[grantbkk]

Interpol is a clearinghouse for law enforcement information. They routinely issue wanted person notices to member countries and it is up to the member country if they want to act on the information. That said, Interpol has been around a long time so IMHO they will not become the present sitting Thai government's bitch. Everyone knows this government is a joke who may or may not really want Thaksin back.

Half the time the government says it doesn't know where Thaksin is. Perhaps they should Google his name. If Thaksin is returned to Thai soil and placed in jail the terrorism and disruption we endured over the past two month will seem like a minor incident compared to what the Reds will do to the country in act 2.

[Motoon]

The only thing I want from a guy named Tony is to make my pizza the way I like it.

He'll use too much red peperoni

Back to the issue then...I doubt that Interpol will act and if, the evidence has to be very conclusive, which we all know is not that clearcut. Other than that Thailand has not much credibility left abroad and I doubt that Interpol will adopt anything else than a "let's wait and see" approach. However one poster got it right, the red movement aka the UDD aka Phua Thai party has lost out big time as well. Of course there are still scores of red shirts who condone and justify the violence done using irrational comparisons, including some notorious posters on TV who accuse the Thai government of Kindergarten like behavior. Their argumentation however shows a clear lack of mental ability! If at this stage you still find excuses for all the bs violence then all you deserve is a loud "F*%#c y*%". These were real people who got killed and real families who lost everything. How could anyone still come on a thread and point fingers and mouth their standard phrases. I'm really fed up with this brainwashed bs propaganda and oh yes, f#*%k any colors...

Are you suggesting that everyone killed by the military was armed and an immediate threat, or are you saying despite random firing of live ammunition at the crowds the military killed nobody and all the dead were actually killed by their own side?

From my point I have yet to see a picture of a dead protester with a gun within 50 yards of him, I have seen many pictures with no visible weapon. It is clear the military killed unarmed people, I am sure some of those killed were probably armed also.

Mental ability? keep the flaming out and deal with the issues, thanks.

Quite telling that you feel targeted. You can stop your manipulative attempts, violence is violence, no matter who commits it, it is wrong. I don't go out and shoot someone, just because it has been done before. I have made clear clear that I don't care about colors. I also made clear that I'm disgusted by the likes of you, point. No flaming just fact.

[jdinasia]

If Interpol act then it will show them to be supporting and condoning an illegitimate government.

Therefore, it would be in Interpol's best interest to ignore the request of the Thai government(?).

Where is the proof of Thaksin's terrorist activities? Giving a few non committal sermons to the folks back home cannot be seen as a blatant terrorist activity.

What about all those religious people, both in the US and the UK who shout and scream for the downfall of the wicked leaders in the west, they are left alone.

Paper trails would be evidence of Thaksin giving money to the reds, but there are no paper trails, therefore no evidence.

Look at Thaksin's sermons to the faithful, they are fiery but he draws back from actually saying anything of a terroristic nature. Has anyone seen him standing in front the camera with a gun in one hand and a grenade in the other calling on people to kill the Democrat pigs?

Without solid proof, its all hearsay and smoke, cooked up by politicians in Bangkok. Yes, we all know what he's up to and was doing, but you got to have solid proof, without evidence there's nothing but hot air and stupid, endless debates.

Hmmmm You start with a faulty argument.

The current government IS the legitimate government of the Kingdom of Thailand. Therefore your argument that it is in Interpols best interest to ignore the situation is not true. (EVERY government in the West has normal relations with Thailand. Not one calls the current government "illegitimate.")

You say there is no proof. How do you come about making this claim? That kills the rest of your arguments. The prrof or lack of proof certainly has not been presented to you or me. Enough proof has been presented to the court for them to submit a warrant for Thaksin on the charges of Terrorism. We don't know what that proof is or if it will be sufficient to gain extradition. We also do not know IF extradition really is the ultimate goal of the government.

[tb86]

If Interpol act then it will show them to be supporting and condoning an illegitimate government.

Therefore, it would be in Interpol's best interest to ignore the request of the Thai government(?).

Where is the proof of Thaksin's terrorist activities? Giving a few non committal sermons to the folks back home cannot be seen as a blatant terrorist activity.

What about all those religious people, both in the US and the UK who shout and scream for the downfall of the wicked leaders in the west, they are left alone.

Paper trails would be evidence of Thaksin giving money to the reds, but there are no paper trails, therefore no evidence.

Look at Thaksin's sermons to the faithful, they are fiery but he draws back from actually saying anything of a terroristic nature. Has anyone seen him standing in front the camera with a gun in one hand and a grenade in the other calling on people to kill the Democrat pigs?

Without solid proof, its all hearsay and smoke, cooked up by politicians in Bangkok. Yes, we all know what he's up to and was doing, but you got to have solid proof, without evidence there's nothing but hot air and stupid, endless debates.

Its still a bit early in the game to be making any claims, no? for starters.. There has been nothing released regarding the financial transactions to the red shirt leadership, but its pretty much gauranteed that several groups have made such transactions, unless you honestly believe that the group was self supporting ... As any semi consious person could draw the conclusion that thaksin was the majority supporter, but at this point in time its all speculation. But the financiers will be exposed in the weeks to come....

[difos57]

Thailand has come the laughing stock of the western world. Charging him as a terrorist become he made speeches to the Red Shirts against the government is not terrorisms.

No, but funding a terrorist Organisation and ordering them to commit treason certainly is .............. And what leads you to believe Thailand is a laughing stock... Thailand has just been invited to join The worlds leading Human Rights Organisation ... so, who is laughing. Mr Abhisit did a great job with the UDD, most other countries would have gone in much earlier and caused considerable more deaths... He has been applauded by many world leaders including Obama...I think President Obamas opinion is much more important than any Red Shirt Apologists writing rubbish on TV... Did you not see the burning buildings in this beautiful city ?

Can you imagine what would have happened if Taksin would have been in government during this crisis. Taksin would have stayed true to his past habits and performed a mass execution.

Abhisit did indeed stop this demonstration with the fewest possible lives lost. Abhisit deserves great praise and Thailand is very lucky to have him as a PM.

Looking at the destruction and burning of Thailand that has been caused by the red shirts and Taksin, it is easy to see why the PAD had to encourage the exit enforcement of Taksin's illegal stay in office. They knew a lot more about this madman Taksin and how much more damage he could cause. Taksin has set Thailand and democracy back many years. Thailand has been known as a democratic nation and countries like Korea look at Thailand as an example. Since the red shirts actions, these countries look at how democracy can be bad when a ex-billionaire tycoon, Taksin, who has so much power goes corrupt.

It is over. The red shirts are finished, other than a few indiduals who will not let it die. What bothers me is that there is still no remorse shown by the red shirts or Taksin over the murders performed by the red terrorist, the burning buildings, the loss and destruction of the thais' livelyhood and the lying to and destruction of the red demonstrators lives. It is this lack of remorse that further supports that all those involved with the red movement have to be brought to justice.

[termad]

Thailand has come the laughing stock of the western world. Charging him as a terrorist become he made speeches to the Red Shirts against the government is not terrorisms.

No, but funding a terrorist Organisation and ordering them to commit treason certainly is .............. And what leads you to believe Thailand is a laughing stock... Thailand has just been invited to join The worlds leading Human Rights Organisation ... so, who is laughing. Mr Abhisit did a great job with the UDD, most other countries would have gone in much earlier and caused considerable more deaths... He has been applauded by many world leaders including Obama...I think President Obamas opinion is much more important than any Red Shirt Apologists writing rubbish on TV... Did you not see the burning buildings in this beautiful city ?

The red shirts are a terrorist organization????? What about the Yellow shirts they are not?????? Who funded them????? Why aren't they charged. This is why Thailand is becoming the laughing stock of the world So one sided. This is why you will never have peace here.

How many grenades did the yellow shirts have? How many police and soldiers were killed by the yellow shirts? How many by-standers were killed by the yellow shirts?

And how many assault troops and police were sent to remove them from the airport and how many of them were killed by army snipers?

Occupying the airport was illegal, inconvenienced thousands of people, and was terrible for Thai tourism, but how is that terrorism?

And how many times do people have to be told!!! People HAVE BEEN charged for that.

And how many assault troops and police were sent to evict them from the airport? How many of them were shot and killed by Government snipers? How many of them were asassinated whilst giving an interview to a reporter? How is it that one of their number is now the Thai Foreign Minister? How many of them have been gaoled? Why did they all get immediate bail?

Edited May 27, 2010 by termad

[Hawk]

If Interpol act then it will show them to be supporting and condoning an illegitimate government.

Therefore, it would be in Interpol's best interest to ignore the request of the Thai government(?).

Where is the proof of Thaksin's terrorist activities? Giving a few non committal sermons to the folks back home cannot be seen as a blatant terrorist activity.

What about all those religious people, both in the US and the UK who shout and scream for the downfall of the wicked leaders in the west, they are left alone.

Paper trails would be evidence of Thaksin giving money to the reds, but there are no paper trails, therefore no evidence.

Look at Thaksin's sermons to the faithful, they are fiery but he draws back from actually saying anything of a terroristic nature. Has anyone seen him standing in front the camera with a gun in one hand and a grenade in the other calling on people to kill the Democrat pigs?

Without solid proof, its all hearsay and smoke, cooked up by politicians in Bangkok. Yes, we all know what he's up to and was doing, but you got to have solid proof, without evidence there's nothing but hot air and stupid, endless debates.

I am sure there is proof.

Else Thai court will not approve DSI request.

Thai court have to be fair too, not just DSI, CRES & Mark.

You maybe sure but I think that all tracks have been cleverly covered especially after the share case.

Thai courts get their orders from higher up in the food chain, so the government will just simply lean on the judge to cooperate.

Thai court fair, well yes, when you pay the price.

[Samuian]

This whole, covert pro-red Argumentation, which is really pro-Thaksin defense, tries to defy plain human intelligence, logic and reasoning - in repeating, like Tibetan prayer mills, the same over and over again, it's deafening but misses it's target by miles!

The whole pro-red argumentation is full to it's rim with fallacies!

These arguments are invalid because they are missing the premise, the supply of which would make it a valid argument!

Usually only wild accusations or twisted truth's, hidden assumptions are presented as the premise and tried to be passed on as the foundation of the argument - any disagreeing or dismantling of such tactics, which are really baseless are always (if so) only referred to in an obtrusive or otherwise misleading, the core truth avoiding manner!

Writers will often leave out a strictly necessary premise in their reasoning's if it is widely accepted and the writer does not wish to state the blindingly obvious!

it would makea really good comedy, if it wouldn't be so sad -

maybe in a couple of years people can wholeheartedly laugh about this mega BS!

[Hawk]

Its still a bit early in the game to be making any claims, no? for starters.. There has been nothing released regarding the financial transactions to the red shirt leadership, but its pretty much gauranteed that several groups have made such transactions, unless you honestly believe that the group was self supporting ... As any semi consious person could draw the conclusion that thaksin was the majority supporter, but at this point in time its all speculation. But the financiers will be exposed in the weeks to come....

We all know the score here, and I for one am not saying that Thaksin did not give money to the boys in Bangkok, we know he did but the government has to prove it, the prosecution needs real evidence but hearsay is not evidence, well, certainly not in a court of law in the west.

Interpol in their wisdom will take all this into account before reaching a decision, and will most certainly see that the charge of terrorism is not only politically motivated but a way to get Thaksin. They will see the government here is "using" the "law" simply as a means to capture their political rival.

[rubl]

Interpol is a clearinghouse for law enforcement information. They routinely issue wanted person notices to member countries and it is up to the member country if they want to act on the information. That said, Interpol has been around a long time so IMHO they will not become the present sitting Thai government's bitch. Everyone knows this government is a joke who may or may not really want Thaksin back.

Half the time the government says it doesn't know where Thaksin is. Perhaps they should Google his name. If Thaksin is returned to Thai soil and placed in jail the terrorism and disruption we endured over the past two month will seem like a minor incident compared to what the Reds will do to the country in act 2.

Good reply, but slightly spoiled by "everyone knows this government is a joke". It distracts from your more serious arguments.