Ex-Thai PM Thaksin Hires War Crimes Lawyer

[asiawatcher]

sgtpeppers

Most people here are referring to Thailand on the planet Earth. Judging by your avtar and your comments which lack any form of intellectual thought process, you are obviously referring to a place called Thailand a ' long time ago in a galaxy far far away'. Beam back up there and leave those of us with a brain in peace on this planet eh!

Yep - 10000% What rock has he been hiding under? sgtpeppers obviously is still stuck in the Beatles era on chemicals.

Edited June 1, 2010 by asiawatcher

[brahmburgers]

You have just proved that very point. BLIND if you cannot face the facts before you. Clearly, there was heavy weapons in circulation amongst the red camp.

And they weren't used because?

Who says they weren't used? Some were left over when the Reds lost, but so what? Is there some rule that says a combat force must use up all its ammo before being beaten? Evidence points to grenades launched from the Reds/Black camps - from April 10th until rallies wound down. Last time I checked, grenades were 'heavy weapons.'

I shouldn't respond to all this goading, but yes, shooting Black combatants who were shown to be embedded with/fraternizing with Red protesters makes sense - particularly if those Blacks/Reds were launching grenades and killing people - both security forces and innocents (the woman at the train landing, etc).

[leeno]

That doesn't mean that these 1400 are totally innocent victims that where killed in the name of the 'War in Drug'. These death where just wrongly added to statistics filed under drug related crimes.

The number of somewhat 2500/2700 is just the total number of violently death that occurred during the months of the war on drugs. The 1400 have been killed for other reasons, the normal crime that happen day by day in Thailand.

The number of death from the hand of police, law enforcement officers is much much more lower than 2500.

But 2500 looks much better if you wanna make propaganda against the regime.

http://www.hrw.org/campaigns/aids/2004/thai.htm

From the Human Right Watch.

http://www.hrw.org/reports/2004/thailand07...tm#_Toc76203868

In October 2003, Thailand’s foreign minister told the U.S. State Department that 2,593 homicide cases had occurred in the country since the previous February, more than double the normal level of about 400 homicides per month.15 On December 15, 2003, after the end of the first phases of the campaign, the Royal Thai Police reported 1,329 drug-related homicides (out of 1,176 separate incidents) since February, of which seventy-two (in fifty-eight incidents) had been killed by police. More than 70,000 people allegedly involved in the drug trade were arrested.

There were death during the War on Drugs and there were extrajudical killings and there are still ongoing investigations, no-one is denying that here.

But these numbers of around 2500/2700 counting all cases of homicides during that period.

A statement like "War on Drug = 2500/2700/3000 killing by Abhisit regime" is clearly not accurate.

People still repeating such claims didn't spend much time to inform themselves on that matter or keep repeating these figures only for propaganda purposes.

Quoting Thaksin's Foreign Minister as a credible source for truth.

[mazeltov]

To know anything about Thaksin is to know he fires off lawsuits as often as normal people take a pee - about seven times per day. When you've got tons of money and a rusty moral compass, then that's what you're likely to do. Lawyers love the guy. He's filthy rich, always vindictive, and always in trouble.

T tried to shut up a young journalist who wrote a non-flattering article about him while he was PM. It was a large amount (anyone recall the number?), and he thought she would wilt from fear like so many others. She didn't, and she had support from a slew of international journalists. It wasn't until HM made a public mention of 'frivolous lawsuits', that Takki withdrew it reluctantly.

Selective perception

Under Abhisit people get jail time if they have said something 'bad' about him.

Supreme Court issues arrest warrants against 2 former Thai Rak Thai MPs

The Supreme Court Friday issued arrest warrants against 2 former Thai Rak Thai MPs after they failed to turn up to hear the verdict of the court in

a defamation case filed by Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva.

The court ordered that Suporn Atthawong and Thirachai Saenkaew be arrested and brought to the court to hear the verdict at 9 am on April 21.

The two were accused of

defaming Abhisit by saying the prime minister was unusually rich.

The lower courts gave 1

2-month suspended jail term

against Suporn and

a six-month suspended jail term

against Thirachai. Suporn was ordered to pay a fine of Bt20,000 while Thirachai Bt10,000.

The lower courts put the two on probation for two years.

The two appealed against the ruling and the Supreme Court was scheduled to read the verdict Friday.

The Nation,

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home/Supre...r-30125074.html

[rabo]

But then a bit later I read: After the 2006 coup, the military junta ordered another investigation into the anti-drug campaign.The committee concluded that as many as 1400 of the 2500 killed had no link to drugs.

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That doesn't mean that these 1400 are totally innocent victims that where killed in the name of the 'War in Drug'. These death where just wrongly added to statistics filed under drug related crimes.

The number of somewhat 2500/2700 is just the total number of violently death that occurred during the months of the war on drugs. The 1400 have been killed for other reasons, the normal crime that happen day by day in Thailand.

The number of death from the hand of police, law enforcement officers is much much more lower than 2500.

But 2500 looks much better if you wanna make propaganda against the regime.

Yet more disinformation, again. You have been hard at work defending Mr. Thaksin. I was in a big trial once, had to take on a really bad guy. He hired lawyer after lawyer, we actually lost count. Each one of them sounded just like you, same kind of questions. They dumped thousands of pages of unrelated disinformation on the case. I had a secret weapon, called the truth, I stood behind it like my general Stonewall Jackson. The guy is now toast.

To start, you have twisted the numbers, of course. Roughly 1000 of the extra judical killings were not related to drugs, these were above the normal crime rate. They were killing anyone they wanted! No control. Justice, Thaksin style. After 2500 deaths, not one single major drug dealer or player had been killed or prosecuted. None! But maybe people should read on there own. Google Thaksin human rights violations is like googling Madonna, it is so popular.

But maybe try the Human Rights Watch, they say........

A violent state-sponsored "war on drugs" is jeopardizing Thailand's long struggle to become one of Southeast Asia's leading rights-respecting democracies.Officially launched in February 2003, the government crackdown has resulted in the unexplained killing of more than 2,000 persons, the arbitrary arrest or blacklisting of several thousand more, and the endorsement of extreme violence by government officials at the highest levels.

Links to the hrw, the full story.

http://www.hrw.org/en/node/12005/section/2

Edited June 1, 2010 by rabo

[mazeltov]

That doesn't mean that these 1400 are totally innocent victims that where killed in the name of the 'War in Drug'. These death where just wrongly added to statistics filed under drug related crimes.

The number of somewhat 2500/2700 is just the total number of violently death that occurred during the months of the war on drugs. The 1400 have been killed for other reasons, the normal crime that happen day by day in Thailand.

The number of death from the hand of police, law enforcement officers is much much more lower than 2500.

But 2500 looks much better if you wanna make propaganda against the regime.

http://www.hrw.org/campaigns/aids/2004/thai.htm

From the Human Right Watch.

http://www.hrw.org/reports/2004/thailand07...tm#_Toc76203868

In October 2003, Thailand’s foreign minister told the U.S. State Department that 2,593 homicide cases had occurred in the country since the previous February, more than double the normal level of about 400 homicides per month.15 On December 15, 2003, after the end of the first phases of the campaign, the Royal Thai Police reported 1,329 drug-related homicides (out of 1,176 separate incidents) since February, of which seventy-two (in fifty-eight incidents) had been killed by police. More than 70,000 people allegedly involved in the drug trade were arrested.

There were death during the War on Drugs and there were extrajudical killings and there are still ongoing investigations, no-one is denying that here.

But these numbers of around 2500/2700 counting all cases of homicides during that period.

A statement like "War on Drug = 2500/2700/3000 killing by Abhisit regime" is clearly not accurate.

People still repeating such claims didn't spend much time to inform themselves on that matter or keep repeating these figures only for propaganda purposes.

Quoting Thaksin's Foreign Minister as a credible source for truth.

SRJ, be careful in Thailand with its defamation laws.

Statements, claims and blames about the War on Drug can even bring to prominent and beloved members of the society a jail sentence.

Outspoken army officer gets 6-month jail term for libel

BANGKOK, 15 December 2009 (NNT) - The military tribunal has resolved to take legal action against

army specialist Major General Khattiya Sawasdipol

on libel charge.

According to the court's ruling, Major General Khattiya,

better known as Seh Daeng

, has been sentenced to six months in prison

and fined 40,000 THB with one-year suspended jail term. He was accused of

defaming former National Police Chief General Sant Sarutanond

during the press interview by blaming him for the violence and

his involvement in the extra-judicial killings related to the war-on-drugs

in the far South in 2004.

The army specialist agreed to pay the fine of 40,000 THB and would seek an appeal against the court's verdict in 15 days.

http://thainews.prd.go.th/en/news.php?id=255212150051

[rabo]

another opinion

http://www.themarknews.com/articles/1583-r...ope-to-thailand

David Kilgour was a Member of the Canadian Parliament from 1979 to 2006, and also served as Deputy Speaker and Chair of the Committees of the Whole House, Secretary of State for Latin America & Africa, and Secretary of State for Asia-Pacific.

...

An excellent view point. There was also a very good write up a couple of days ago from Time, one of the few news magazines that still looks at a story rather than their ratings. Sorry don't have the link right now, it is easy to find by googling time magazine and Thailand.

The article have some inaccuracy and the writer didn't do his home work.

the article argues with referring to a Therdpoum Chaidee, saying he is a collaborator of the Red Shirt leadership and a former Thaksin-supporting MP. the later is true, he was a TRT MP, he was also a commie many years ago. But he isn't a red shirt collaborator, that is BS. nowadays Therdpoum is Therdpoum is also a PAD leader, facing an indictment on terrorism offences for the airport seizure, charged with instigating unrest and other criminal offences. Therdpoum is also one of the party executives of the New Politics Party.

Anyway, the article says it has the Therdpoum admission from the Le Figaro. would it be possible that the Le Figaro got it from Asia Times Online? ATO had also Therdpoum a couple of days ago on their pages, and without mentioning his PAD connection. just calling him a former comrade of Dr. Weng and ex-TRT.

I would not be surprised if David Kilgour has actually no clue and not much of an opinion but did only some stupid lazy copy and paste journalism work.

Another lawyer statement "The article has some inaccuracy". How much? 5%?

Followed by a groundless attempt to discredit a person of very high stature.

I suggest people read the article themselves. Most mature people can distinguish someone attempting to get at the truth and someone purposefully spreading disinformation.

He talks about what is needed for the Thai people and that which is good. Have you done that?

[SomTumTiger]

Nobody reads what Mazeltov writes anymore - just ignore him and move on lol

[rabo]

... the puppet master behind the proxy government responsible for the Rohingya and Hmong repatriation policies, ...

Would you care to explain?

As far as i know the ugly treatment of the Rohingya boat people happend under PM Abhisit. The 'repatriation policies' of the Hmong are agreements between the Junta Government and Leaders in Laos, Abhisits best friends.

Tak Bai, Krue Sae was an army job, the dissapearing people probably too, the same people who helped Abhisit last year with paper bullets and this year with killing terrorist in Bangkok.

Tak Bai is widely attributed to Thaksin. To summarize Thaksin's "defense", he basically said the killing is good, if you don't understand it just go away.

[rabo]

Nobody reads what Mazeltov writes anymore - just ignore him and move on lol

OK, I can rest.

[Valentine]

There were actually 2 wars on drugs. In the first one the generally accepted number of deaths was 2,500. It was highly publicized & from some surveys seemingly supported by the public. There was a 2nd one about a year later which did not generate much publicity but supposedly accounted for another 1,000 deaths. At some stage Mr T declared victory in the war on drugs but it seems that no kingpins have been brought to trial. I think initial investigations into the killings were by a police committee.

I have often thought that Mr T could end up in front of the court in The Hague but as a defendant. I agree with another poster that the Dems have a lousy PR machine, they seem to be living in the stone age when it comes to PR.

[hammered]

There were actually 2 wars on drugs. In the first one the generally accepted number of deaths was 2,500. It was highly publicized & from some surveys seemingly supported by the public. There was a 2nd one about a year later which did not generate much publicity but supposedly accounted for another 1,000 deaths. At some stage Mr T declared victory in the war on drugs but it seems that no kingpins have been brought to trial. I think initial investigations into the killings were by a police committee.

I have often thought that Mr T could end up in front of the court in The Hague but as a defendant. I agree with another poster that the Dems have a lousy PR machine, they seem to be living in the stone age when it comes to PR.

The war on drugs allowed others to claim a huge slice of the drug trade far bigger and more valuable than they had before. The ramifications of the poltical allegiances of this are still felt today.

[mazeltov]

... the puppet master behind the proxy government responsible for the Rohingya and Hmong repatriation policies, ...

Would you care to explain?

As far as i know the ugly treatment of the Rohingya boat people happend under PM Abhisit. The 'repatriation policies' of the Hmong are agreements between the Junta Government and Leaders in Laos, Abhisits best friends.

Tak Bai, Krue Sae was an army job, the dissapearing people probably too, the same people who helped Abhisit last year with paper bullets and this year with killing terrorist in Bangkok.

Tak Bai is widely attributed to Thaksin. To summarize Thaksin's "defense", he basically said the killing is good, if you don't understand it just go away.

Yes, Thaksin was at this time the PM. If you want frame him simpleton style, why you don't blame Abhisit for the Bangkok rally massacre?

There was an investigation and a fact finding committee. Khunying Pornthip took part in that investigation.

long read:

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/specials/takbai/p1.htm

[tb86]

There were actually 2 wars on drugs. In the first one the generally accepted number of deaths was 2,500. It was highly publicized & from some surveys seemingly supported by the public. There was a 2nd one about a year later which did not generate much publicity but supposedly accounted for another 1,000 deaths. At some stage Mr T declared victory in the war on drugs but it seems that no kingpins have been brought to trial. I think initial investigations into the killings were by a police committee.

I have often thought that Mr T could end up in front of the court in The Hague but as a defendant. I agree with another poster that the Dems have a lousy PR machine, they seem to be living in the stone age when it comes to PR.

The war on drugs allowed others to claim a huge slice of the drug trade far bigger and more valuable than they had before. The ramifications of the poltical allegiances of this are still felt today.

care to expand on that claim? id be interested in hearing about it

[animatic]

Even Jacques Verges would not defend him.

I am sure Abhisit will be able to find another good lawyer if Jacques Verges will not defend him here.

There's always a lawyer available for whom moral stance is not an issue.

High end abulance chasers with the scruples of a mongoose,

and a personality subsumed to residing in purgatory indefinitely.

[animatic]

There were actually 2 wars on drugs. In the first one the generally accepted number of deaths was 2,500. It was highly publicized & from some surveys seemingly supported by the public. There was a 2nd one about a year later which did not generate much publicity but supposedly accounted for another 1,000 deaths. At some stage Mr T declared victory in the war on drugs but it seems that no kingpins have been brought to trial. I think initial investigations into the killings were by a police committee.

I have often thought that Mr T could end up in front of the court in The Hague but as a defendant. I agree with another poster that the Dems have a lousy PR machine, they seem to be living in the stone age when it comes to PR.

The war on drugs allowed others to claim a huge slice of the drug trade far bigger and more valuable than they had before. The ramifications of the poltical allegiances of this are still felt today.

It removed some players and allowed others to take over the networks.

Ever wonder which uniforms the winners were wearing?

[mazeltov]

I have often thought that Mr T could end up in front of the court in The Hague but as a defendant. I agree with another poster that the Dems have a lousy PR machine, they seem to be living in the stone age when it comes to PR.

PM Abhisit spends sh*tload of money when it comes to PR. His office is one of the biggest advertiser in Thailand.

Ranking PM's Office ad spending by government, the result is:

Surayud/CNS (2007) 1,090 million baht

Abhisit/Democrat Party (2009 est.) 978 million baht

Thaksin/TRT (2005) 795 million baht

Thaksin/TRT-Surayud/CNS (2006) 787 million baht

Samak & Somchai/PPP (2008 est.) 712 million baht

Thaksin (2004) 561 million baht

Spending per month can fluctuate (possibly affecting the quarterly estimate above for 2008-9).

Also note that ad spending is only for the PM's Office and doesn't include other ministries, agencies, or state-owned enterprises.

source

read the full article, to see where the numbers are coming from and how they haw been established.

Stone age like are his human right records, blaming reds as communist, the media censorship, blocking websites, arresting professors from universities, killing protesters. and the way he thinks he can get away with it.

[hammered]

There were actually 2 wars on drugs. In the first one the generally accepted number of deaths was 2,500. It was highly publicized & from some surveys seemingly supported by the public. There was a 2nd one about a year later which did not generate much publicity but supposedly accounted for another 1,000 deaths. At some stage Mr T declared victory in the war on drugs but it seems that no kingpins have been brought to trial. I think initial investigations into the killings were by a police committee.

I have often thought that Mr T could end up in front of the court in The Hague but as a defendant. I agree with another poster that the Dems have a lousy PR machine, they seem to be living in the stone age when it comes to PR.

The war on drugs allowed others to claim a huge slice of the drug trade far bigger and more valuable than they had before. The ramifications of the poltical allegiances of this are still felt today.

care to expand on that claim? id be interested in hearing about it

Not on an open board.

[mazeltov]

Even Jacques Verges would not defend him.

I am sure Abhisit will be able to find another good lawyer if Jacques Verges will not defend him here.

There's always a lawyer available for whom moral stance is not an issue.

High end abulance chasers with the scruples of a mongoose,

and a personality subsumed to residing in purgatory indefinitely.

You should not judge a lawyer by his clients. Only small brains and simpletons do that. Even the worst criminal deserves the right to defense with the help of a lawyer.

[mazeltov]

The war on drugs allowed others to claim a huge slice of the drug trade far bigger and more valuable than they had before. The ramifications of the poltical allegiances of this are still felt today.

It removed some players and allowed others to take over the networks.

Ever wonder which uniforms the winners were wearing?

Ohh, the conspiracy experts and insider. What you say, is it possible that our hero Seh Daeng was killed because he knew so much about the War on Drugs

According to the court's ruling, Major General Khattiya,

better known as Seh Daeng

, has been sentenced to six months in prison

and fined 40,000 THB with one-year suspended jail term. He was accused of

defaming former National Police Chief General Sant Sarutanond

during the press interview by blaming him for the violence and

his involvement in the extra-judicial killings related to the war-on-drugs

in the far South in 2004.

s.

http://thainews.prd.go.th/en/news.php?id=255212150051

[animatic]

The worst of criminals all deserve lawyers.

But only the worst of lawyers habitually defend the worst of criminals.

[lannarebirth]

The UN has demanded an independent inquiry into recent unrest in Thailand, when more than 80 people were killed in clashes between security forces and protesters.

UN rights chief Navi Pillay said the guilty (Thai PM and generals) must be held accountable.

It will be comical watching him run from the international tribunal to come.

Hey--any of you working to post propaganda for this idiot PM? You too should quit or you will be risking the chance that you too will face the charges.

Reminds me of Serbia.

I think it is pretty well understood that when you hire one of these high price global mouthpieces that part of the deal is at least one strong press release from their "contacts" in international organizations or media. Amsterdam delivered an Economist article, which was ironically less severe than similar articles I have read from that magazine these past eight years. The new guy gets the UN press release from the guy who would no doubt like to land his golden parchute in the firm for "consultant" fees at the appropriate time. See Goldman Sachs/SEC for the model of how each others backs get scratched at this level. Like Amsterdam it is probably a hired gun with one bullet in the chamber. Like Amsterdam, when he sees he didn't bring down the target with the one bullet, next he'll throw the gun at him. A few weeks later a new lawyer joins the team.

Edited June 1, 2010 by lannarebirth

[senti]

The UN has demanded an independent inquiry into recent unrest in Thailand, when more than 80 people were killed in clashes between security forces and protesters.

UN rights chief Navi Pillay said the guilty (Thai PM and generals) must be held accountable.

It will be comical watching him run from the international tribunal to come.

Hey--any of you working to post propaganda for this idiot PM? You too should quit or you will be risking the chance that you too will face the charges.

Reminds me of Serbia.

How, exactly, does remind you of Serbia?

There is nothing in common between what happened in Serbia, and what happened in Thailand.

[yesdavy]

Good news here.

The only way to get a true independent investigation is to get some proper international human rights lawyers and investigators to look into this, and if necessary file charges against the government, and certain people who were in the CRES, with the International Criminal Court, and make the UNHRC fully aware of what has happened.

It is very sad to see army snipers allegedly shooting to kill civilians. It is very sad to see many people reported "missing" and the CRES is not willing to post lists of names of people held in detention. We have seen pictures of red shirts and monks blindfolded and handcuffed, and many people have not returned home. Why is the CRES unwilling to release the list of names of all detained people and where they are ?

It has been reported that some death certificates have been filled in incorrectly, with relatives insisting the cause of death is changed to bullet wound to the head as for some reason this was not recorded as the cause of death even though there is a bullet wound directly through the head. No idea why some people appear to be trying to cover up the cause of death ?? Any ideas ?

Media freedoms and basic human rights were allegedly infringed with the cutting off of media access, internet access, web site access and many other forms of basic human rights.

A full, thorough and proper investigation by international rights experts and war crimes lawyers is a good way of ensuring that if there are any breaches here, they will be found out, and it will also ensure such breaches, if they happened, will never happen again.

If anyone here cares about Thai's they will have no objections to this investigation.

Level headed thinking and suggestions.

[yesdavy]

The UN has demanded an independent inquiry into recent unrest in Thailand, when more than 80 people were killed in clashes between security forces and protesters.

UN rights chief Navi Pillay said the guilty (Thai PM and generals) must be held accountable.

It will be comical watching him run from the international tribunal to come.

Hey--any of you working to post propaganda for this idiot PM? You too should quit or you will be risking the chance that you too will face the charges.

Reminds me of Serbia.

I think it is pretty well understood that when you hire one of these high price global mouthpieces that part of the deal is at least one strong press release from their "contacts" in international organizations or media. Amsterdam delivered an Economist article, which was ironically less severe than similar articles I have read from that magazine these past eight years. The new guy gets the UN press release from the guy who would no doubt like to land his golden parchute in the firm for "consultant" fees at the appropriate time. See Goldman Sachs/SEC for the model of how each others backs get scratched at this level. Like Amsterdam it is probably a hired gun with one bullet in the chamber. Like Amsterdam, when he sees he didn't bring down the target with the one bullet, next he'll throw the gun at him. A few weeks later a new lawyer joins the team.

...And can all entities hire lawyers? Are you arguing against the fact that only one side has exercised its right to hire lawyers, or that lawyers are allowed to be hired by all sides?

[yesdavy]

The worst of criminals all deserve lawyers.

But only the worst of lawyers habitually defend the worst of criminals.

Big statement. Small thinking. Unless, of course, the statement is based on experience and therein lies the assumption.

[ballpoint]

... the puppet master behind the proxy government responsible for the Rohingya and Hmong repatriation policies, ...

Would you care to explain?

As far as i know the ugly treatment of the Rohingya boat people happend under PM Abhisit. The 'repatriation policies' of the Hmong are agreements between the Junta Government and Leaders in Laos, Abhisits best friends.

Tak Bai, Krue Sae was an army job, the dissapearing people probably too, the same people who helped Abhisit last year with paper bullets and this year with killing terrorist in Bangkok.

How can anyone be seriously arguing over what each side has supposedly done or not done when they don't even have the basic facts? Maybe if you actually lived here in Thailand you'd at least get an appreciation for what is happening now, what has happened in the past and how it is interrelated.

We get all these clueless people coming on here spouting lies and distortions, thinking the Rohingya situation suddenly popped up one morning in January 2009, and the Hmong repatriation was planned later that year. News for you all, the policy to "dispose" of the Rohingya was made by the PPP government in 2008, as was the agreement with Laos to send back the Hmong. They were the policy of the Samak government, perhaps the only real policy that illegal puppet administration actually made, spending the rest of its time trying to bring back a convicted criminal, cooking up a storm, lying in court, and playing hide and seek with reporters and pro democracy demonstrators. The Abhisit administration had been in power for around a month when the Rohingya situation blew up, and dealt with it immediately. Who knows how long it had been going on for under the Samak and Somchai governments? To its shame, the current government did not halt the Hmong repatriation, but then, unlike the red side I'm not going to whitewash everything this government has done. However, there is no doubt whatsoever that the current government was honouring (if honour can be used here) an agreement made between the Laos dictators and the Samak government.

The red mouthpieces here are proving to be just as disingenuous as their master when they bring up supposed criminal acts committed by the Abhisit administration without knowing/thinking/understanding anything about the true situation. And, just as will happen with Thaksin's ill planned war criminal investigation, it all backfires on you.

"Hamdan Mg Kyaw Naing, the Secretary General of The Union of Rohingya Communities in Europe (URCE) has highly appreciated the efforts of the Rohingya human rights activists in Malaysia. He also thanked the organizers and participants of the demonstration held on April 18.2008 in front of the Royal Embassy of Thailand and the Burmese Embassy in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia to protest against the recent statement of the Thai Prime Minister Samak Sundaravej to relocate the entire Rohingya refugee community to a deserted island in Thailand..."

http://www.theovi.com/art/2934

"For years, Thai authorities had been lax about flows into Thailand, thinking that these Rohingyas were only "passing through" into Malaysia. But the former government of prime minister Samak Sundaravej tightened controls, and boatloads of refugees have since reportedly been towed into sea".

http://www.asianewsnet.net/news.php?sec=3&id=3677

Suu Kyi supporters lambast Gambari and Samak

"A coalition of Lao and Hmong organizations in Washington, D.C. have denounced the visit of Thai Premier Samak Sundaravej to Laos following increased Lao military attacks and Samak's forced repatriation of Lao-Hmong refugees".

"While Thai Premier Samak is in Vientiane, Laos, drinking tea with the Lao Communist generals, apparently showing off the Hmong refugees that were attacked by dogs and forced back to Laos prior to his visit..."

http://www.prlog.org/10054252-visit-to-laos-samak-blasted-over-killings-repatriation-of-hmong.html

"The demonstrators will also denounce the recent visit of Thai Prime Minister Samak Sundaravej to Laos that was preceded by the brutal forced repatriation of over a dozen Hmong refugees at the hands of Thai Third Army attack dogs who bloodied and mauled some of the Hmong refugees."

http://marymontserrat-howlett.rushprnews.com/2008/03/12/thailand-laos-crisis-hmong-to-rally

Edited June 1, 2010 by ballpoint

[lannarebirth]

The UN has demanded an independent inquiry into recent unrest in Thailand, when more than 80 people were killed in clashes between security forces and protesters.

UN rights chief Navi Pillay said the guilty (Thai PM and generals) must be held accountable.

It will be comical watching him run from the international tribunal to come.

Hey--any of you working to post propaganda for this idiot PM? You too should quit or you will be risking the chance that you too will face the charges.

Reminds me of Serbia.

I think it is pretty well understood that when you hire one of these high price global mouthpieces that part of the deal is at least one strong press release from their "contacts" in international organizations or media. Amsterdam delivered an Economist article, which was ironically less severe than similar articles I have read from that magazine these past eight years. The new guy gets the UN press release from the guy who would no doubt like to land his golden parchute in the firm for "consultant" fees at the appropriate time. See Goldman Sachs/SEC for the model of how each others backs get scratched at this level. Like Amsterdam it is probably a hired gun with one bullet in the chamber. Like Amsterdam, when he sees he didn't bring down the target with the one bullet, next he'll throw the gun at him. A few weeks later a new lawyer joins the team.

...And can all entities hire lawyers? Are you arguing against the fact that only one side has exercised its right to hire lawyers, or that lawyers are allowed to be hired by all sides?

I'm not sure what you are talking about but it is only Thaksin that I have seen hiring lawyers. The government has its own in-house lawyers.

[TAWP]

/snip/

SRJ, be careful in Thailand with its defamation laws.

How can a user that joined this late be an expert at finding an adversary of his that was banned many months before he 'joined'? Ah, the irony...

[hammered]

The UN has demanded an independent inquiry into recent unrest in Thailand, when more than 80 people were killed in clashes between security forces and protesters.

UN rights chief Navi Pillay said the guilty (Thai PM and generals) must be held accountable.

It will be comical watching him run from the international tribunal to come.

Hey--any of you working to post propaganda for this idiot PM? You too should quit or you will be risking the chance that you too will face the charges.

Reminds me of Serbia.

I think it is pretty well understood that when you hire one of these high price global mouthpieces that part of the deal is at least one strong press release from their "contacts" in international organizations or media. Amsterdam delivered an Economist article, which was ironically less severe than similar articles I have read from that magazine these past eight years. The new guy gets the UN press release from the guy who would no doubt like to land his golden parchute in the firm for "consultant" fees at the appropriate time. See Goldman Sachs/SEC for the model of how each others backs get scratched at this level. Like Amsterdam it is probably a hired gun with one bullet in the chamber. Like Amsterdam, when he sees he didn't bring down the target with the one bullet, next he'll throw the gun at him. A few weeks later a new lawyer joins the team.

I think you understand the connection between PR companies and media and shaping opinions in the modern world. Maybe more than one bullet though. The days of journalism are long dead and the days of reporting ahve been here a long time already