sonnyJ Posted June 18, 2005 Share Posted June 18, 2005 Freedom is the greatest gift anybody/thing can give to you. But actually nobody can give it. We can give the credit to many beings, but freedom can't be classified. It comes from within. What does freedom mean to you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braccobaldo Posted June 18, 2005 Share Posted June 18, 2005 ..maybe I'm a cynic but in this world freedom don't come from within but from MONEY... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonnyJ Posted June 18, 2005 Author Share Posted June 18, 2005 ..maybe I'm a cynic but in this world freedom don't come from within but from MONEY... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Thats why I study business, but I will never give out the hope. The world of my dreams. It will be a dream always. But it gives me hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neeranam Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 QUOTE(BRACCOBALDO @ 2005-06-19 04:01:23)..maybe I'm a cynic but in this world freedom don't come from within but from MONEY... Thats why I study business, but I will never give out the hope. The world of my dreams. It will be a dream always. But it gives me hope. Never lose hope, hope is a rope that swings one through life. Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose, as Janice J said, or was it someone on this forum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chownah Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 (edited) Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose. Janis Joplin from Bobby McGee Edited June 19, 2005 by chownah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neeranam Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 Someone here has it as their signature, I can't remember who though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tornado Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 Freedom means being able to do what you want, when you want, with no restrictions.... No one is actually free if they live in a structured society, but living in Thailand feels a lot free'er than the western world..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 ..maybe I'm a cynic but in this world freedom don't come from within but from MONEY... Actually, it's the preoccupation with wealth that ties most people down. "Me and Bobby Mcgee", although made famous by Janis Joplin, is a Kris Kristofferson song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braccobaldo Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 ..maybe I'm a cynic but in this world freedom don't come from within but from MONEY... Actually, it's the preoccupation with wealth that ties most people down. "Me and Bobby Mcgee", although made famous by Janis Joplin, is a Kris Kristofferson song. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> ....ok...I will stay down.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas_Merton Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 (edited) Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose.Janis Joplin from Bobby McGee <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Written by Kris Kristofferson. Edit: Sorry didn't see someone had already posted this info. Edited June 19, 2005 by Thomas_Merton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas_Merton Posted June 19, 2005 Share Posted June 19, 2005 (edited) If you want to be serious in this thread - you've got to get your head around the differences between freedom, liberty, licence and anarchy. Also solve conundrums like "In a free society how do you protect the rights of the week from the tyranny of the strong?" And if you flippantly say, "You don't" then how can your society be free if this freedom is denied the week and underprivileged? For the intellectuals: Have read of Two Concepts of Liberty by Isaiah Berlin. Edited June 19, 2005 by Thomas_Merton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonnyJ Posted June 20, 2005 Author Share Posted June 20, 2005 What about the chains of time. I say, tomorrow never happens, it's all the same xxxxing day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totster Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 ..maybe I'm a cynic but in this world freedom don't come from within but from MONEY... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> True individual freedom cannot exist without economic security and independence. Franklin Delano Roosevelt: totster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chownah Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 If you want to be serious in this thread - you've got to get your head around the differences between freedom, liberty, licence and anarchy.Also solve conundrums like "In a free society how do you protect the rights of the week from the tyranny of the strong?" And if you flippantly say, "You don't" then how can your society be free if this freedom is denied the week and underprivileged? For the intellectuals: Have read of Two Concepts of Liberty by Isaiah Berlin. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Perhaps the term "free society" is an oxymoron. Governments are by nature coersive....and in my mind coersion is more or less antithetical to freedom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TokyoT Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 I think freedom is best defined by the individual. The caveat to this being the individual needs to have access to sufficient information to make a knowledgeable and reasonable decision on this matter. For me freedom is the ability to make decisions with the least amount of outside mandates. Have the ability to make my own informed decision and the ability to gather information for numerous sources that have not been unreasonably restricted. There is a quote from the most recent King Arthur movie about freedom – I’ll have to pop in the DVD later and get that quote. As Mr. Merton points out the way the OP lays things out there is certainly a wide range of topics that could be covered. As in the most basic of discussions it would be easy to say that absolute freedom is absolute anarchy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neeranam Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 As in the most basic of discussions it would be easy to say that absolute freedom is absolute anarchy Anarchy, Love and Peace as we used to say back in the punk days. I never used to believe it, but now I do. Whoever you vote for, the government wins! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jomama Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 If you can free your mind from regret, worry and fear, then you have freedom. Have I been able to do that? I regret to say: no, but sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jomama Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 Oops, forgot envy, greed and jealousy. I guess getting close to the 7 deadly sins. The U.S. government talks about spreading freedom, but as I grew older in the U.S. I found freedoms being always further restricted. When I was a boy in the late '50s, we never locked our doors, we didn't worry about the IRS, my sister and I walked safely to school, an honest man could make an honest buck -- it wasn't a crime to get your hands dirty as a working-class guy (my father was declared bankrupt in the early '60s, yet was able later to come back and do well). He had gotten in the wrong partnership, yet people gave him the chance to recover. Remember his parents (my grandparents) had survived the Great Depression. People made mistakes. People had difficulties. That was considered a fact of life. It was "normal." Now we have to be perfect with our 404 retirement plans. When I was in high school, the cops might stop us for driving and find a couple of beers in the car. They would warn us, take the beer and let us go. Now, it would be jail time and family shame. Freedom? Don't look to any government to supply that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soi lurker Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 Freedom is merely an idea...... some are just a little more free than others..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TizMe Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 Freedom for me is being lucky enough to be born white in a western country, being given a good education and the earning power early in life to now be able to stop working at an early age and enjoy a comfortable life in Thailand with my Thai family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TokyoT Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 Found the quote from newest King Arthur movie – not quite as profound as I remembered: Guinevere says to Arthur “Animals live, it’s the natural state of any man to want to live free…” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreedomDude Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 A government that truly values freedom respects individuals' rights to do whatever they please, as long as they aren't harming anyone else physically or damaging/stealing their property. Sadly, no government I know of values freedom today. And freedom is obviously pretty ###### important to me. Look at my name! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreedomDude Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 Freedom? Don't look to any government to supply that. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Amen to that, brother! 60 years ago, the things we used to rely on government to provide us with cost only about 5% of our income. Now every cent we earn from January through roughly April (in the US at least) goes to the governement to provide us with all the additional responsibilities and beauracracies they've now set up. Nobody wants to take personal responsibility for any anything today, and we've sadly sacrificed a lot of our freedoms in the process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreon Posted June 20, 2005 Share Posted June 20, 2005 freedom is where you can be, where you wanna be freedom you have to seek, nobody can give it to you freedom is everywhere, you just have to find and live it freedom is respect of privacy and fair taxes..aha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibebop Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 Freedom? Don't look to any government to supply that. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Amen to that, brother! 60 years ago, the things we used to rely on government to provide us with cost only about 5% of our income. Now every cent we earn from January through roughly April (in the US at least) goes to the governement to provide us with all the additional responsibilities and beauracracies they've now set up. Nobody wants to take personal responsibility for any anything today, and we've sadly sacrificed a lot of our freedoms in the process. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It kills me to watch America fall the way it is. More and more of our freedoms are being taken away and no one cares. The ideals my kin have fought for and suffered for are being slowly forgoten in the meat grinder of big business and big goverenment. Never trust those with power, always ask why. Each passing election is a death knell for the American dream. Ask not whom the bell tolls, for it tolls for thee. freedom is where you can be, where you wanna be freedom you have to seek, nobody can give it to you freedom is everywhere, you just have to find and live it freedom is respect of privacy and fair taxes..aha <{POST_SNAPBACK}> If you're free you'll never see the walls If your head is clear you'll never free fall If you're right you'll never fear the wrong If your head is high you'll never fear at all-Audioslave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nemi Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 for me freeadom is just being my self...no one to tell me what am supposed to do...wrong or right...i have my life n i will live it the way i want to.... thanx for the goos topic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny_large Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 Tornado ..........Respect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axel Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 (edited) Freedom is for anybody, unless your freedom intrudes to your neighbour's idea of it. Edited June 22, 2005 by Axel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dereklev Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 Freedom for me is being lucky enough to be born white in a western country, being given a good education and the earning power early in life to now be able to stop working at an early age and enjoy a comfortable life in Thailand with my Thai family. Yes, your circumstance of birthplace, race, education, work etc. gave you the freedom to choose and finance your lifestyle. I am lucky enough to be in the same situation as you! ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenwanderer108 Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 (edited) For me Freedom is more literal. Breaking it down by the sylable, Freedom becomes "Free Dum" Dum represents that dark guy/girl who was born somewhere near Cambodia or Laos and in order for him/her to get accepted into the Thai circle of friends, he/she accepted his/her mockery nickname from child hood---working just a bit harder in life than the other Chinese blooded Thais around. All Dum's life, he/she grew up watching Television commercials about how beatuiful it was to be white and how creams and powders would make everything better. No matter how much whitening cream Dum rubbed on his/her body, or how much powder he/she covered his/her face in, he/she never got any whiter, his/her complexion was still the same--at the end of the day, the cream and powder washed away, and he/she was still the same old 'Dum'. Dum was always hurting inside not being able to realize the value and beauty in being different. So in this sense, once you can put yourself in Dum's shoes and Free Dum---in whatever way it is possible to free Dum from suffering, then you have achieved Freedom Edited June 23, 2005 by greenwanderer108 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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