Dog Cull Bangrak?

[WarpSpeed]

Not cruel at all, most are exported to Cambodia and Vietnam for food so just part of the food chain, better that then a meaningless suffrage existence on the streets. Sorry for your friends loss though if that's what happened as you say best keep your dogs under control as it should be anyway.. You're not in Kansas anymore Dorothy realty is they are just part of the life cycle, like someone else said, substitute chickens..

This is incorrect. The dogs are not exported for food. They are poisoned. They die slowly and rather painfully. And while they may be a nuisance, having watched two of my neighbor's dogs die on my doorstep (and yes they had collars, the poison is spread indiscriminately) it is not a death I would wish on any creature, regardless of how annoying I may find them.

Well said SBK. Unfortunately many of those posting here have not witnessed the incredible suffering of these animals. It also seems to be forgotten that many of these "Soi dogs" started out as pets and have been put on the street when their owners move on or go back to Kansas.

It's foolish to think that they suffer, they have no idea of any thing different in their lives, being a soi dog is every bit as much as any other wild animal only their jungle here is made of concrete. They know nothing else or any other life so thinking so is just foolish and typically emotionally human, as well an suffering they do is because they HAVEN'T been culled and controlled soon enough...So your point is contradictory..

Edited June 7, 2010 by WarpSpeed

[sbk]

Warpspeed, I suspect Gatorade is referring to the pain these animals suffer from the poison. Unless you are suggesting that the vomiting and seizures aren't painful or that animals don't feel pain?

[WarpSpeed]

Ah yes, the old attack maneuvre. Nice try anyway. Really, they trap dogs on Samui and pay the ferry fee to take them to the mainland and then pay to drive them up to Isaan or wherever. Really? You've seen trucks full of howling dogs on the car ferry then have you? Seems extremely cost ineffective to me considering the abundance of dogs much closer to the markets where they are consumed.

Likewise have you seen them staggering sick and lying dead around the streets en mass?? JFYI I don't know what attack maneuver you're referring to? Is anything contrary and factual to the bleeding hearty point of view considered an "attack maneuver"?

And considering that I have seen it with my own eyes. yes. They drive around and poison the dogs in the middle of the night. Early morning the garbage truck comes round and picks up the dead bodies. Only reason I know about my neighbors dog is because he managed to make it down the hill to our place.

But really, please explain to me the feasibility of someone paying to transport dogs all the way from Samui to Cambodia. That would be an interesting business model indeed.

Can you please provide me with a quote of mine that says they transport from Samui to any point?? But JFYI dog meat is very popular in Vietnam and Cambodia and a truck load brings a good price and is very lucrative they even trade people buckets in exchange for their unwanted dogs or ones you want removed..

Look, bottom line if you're all so concerned, pay someone to trap to them yourselves and do what you will with them but stop whining about the process the country that hosts you takes to attempt control of the out of control soi dog problem...And don't forget to keep your own pets under control in your property..

[WarpSpeed]

Warpspeed, I suspect Gatorade is referring to the pain these animals suffer from the poison. Unless you are suggesting that the vomiting and seizures aren't painful or that animals don't feel pain?

I see so the life time of mange, intestinal worms, heart worms, parvo, rabies, starvation, ticks, fleas and any number of other parasites that effect every aspect of their lives is not suffering?? At least poisoning them is fairly quick in comparison, but that wasn't even the debate that's just where you twisted it.. Female speak.. You do know how an animal dies when it dies of parvo right?? And it isn't anywhere near as quick as poison, Or is it just because that is "mother nature" that makes it OK?

[sbk]

Please don't post inside quotes, it makes it appear that I made the post. If you must respond to a specific piece then copy and paste that and use the quote button. There is a reason this kind of alteration of people's quotes is against the forum rules.

And I would suggest you drop the aggressive, inflammatory tone. It won't get you far.

And to answer your question. Yes I have seen them staggering around dying. I have seen the garbage truck pick them up en masse. This thread is about dogs in Samui, so presumably since you are talking about them being transported then ergo, they must be transported off the island. Unless you didn't realize you were in the Samui forum or you are just being trollish in an attempt to wind people up.

[WarpSpeed]

No it doesn't when it's been highlighted in opposing color it's how I choose to post an answer at times..If the forum had a functioning, user friendly quote feature I wouldn't need to do that..

I've tried your quote function as you've explained and it has never worked properly for me..So I do it how it's most expedient for me..

I've altered no quote, so not offended any forum rules..I've highlighted and responded with an answer...There is distinct difference between a quote alteration and an addendum which I have added and highlighted as my own...

I didn't know it was Samui forum but really it's irrelevant you claimed they don't capture and ship them for food with a blanket statement and you can't state that unequivocally and you did it by stating that what I said was "incorrect" therefore suggesting that either I'm lying or that I'm fabricating information and it isn't in any case, but your saying that with such certainty is what is "incorrect" ..

Edited June 7, 2010 by WarpSpeed

[Gatorade]

No it doesn't when it's been highlighted in opposing color it's how I choose to post an answer at times..If the forum had a functioning, user friendly quote feature I wouldn't need to do that..

I've tried your quote function as you've explained and it has never worked properly for me..So I do it how it's most expedient for me..

I've altered no quote, so not offended any forum rules..I've highlighted and responded with an answer...There is distinct difference between a quote alteration and an addendum which I have added and highlighted as my own...

I didn't know it was Samui forum but really it's irrelevant you claimed they don't capture and ship them for food with a blanket statement and you can't state that unequivocally and you did it by stating that what I said was "incorrect" therefore suggesting that either I'm lying or that I'm fabricating information and it isn't in any case, but your saying that with such certainty is what is "incorrect" ..

Warped speed you are obviously a Troll who cannot even be bothered to find out what Forum you are on.

Your lack of knowledge implies that you are trying to be an armchair expert.If you bother to find out where Samui is you would know, as SBK has pointed out, the complexity of transporting a whole load of dogs, dead or alive to Bangkok and then to Cambodia/Laos.

[sbk]

It is relevant that its the Samui forum and if you can't see that then well, never mind. There is no point in discussing this further since you don't really know much about it anyway, do you? It seems rather that you are arguing for the sake of it. Probably not a good idea either

I am not going to get into the forum rules with you here, so please read them.

[Rooo]

This topic is about the culling of dogs on SAMUI. Off topic & trollish posts, will be deleted .

[screamingeagle]

This is incorrect. The dogs are not exported for food. They are poisoned. They die slowly and rather painfully. And while they may be a nuisance, having watched two of my neighbor's dogs die on my doorstep (and yes they had collars, the poison is spread indiscriminately) it is not a death I would wish on any creature, regardless of how annoying I may find them.

Well said SBK. Unfortunately many of those posting here have not witnessed the incredible suffering of these animals. It also seems to be forgotten that many of these "Soi dogs" started out as pets and have been put on the street when their owners move on or go back to Kansas.

Most soi dogs are born in the street, not abandoned. The number of puppies in my soi is unbeleivable. Abandoned dogs don't usually survive long in the soi envioronment as they find it difficult to compete for available scraps of food and establishing their own bit of territory.

Although culling wild dogs is unfortunate, it is absolutely nesseccary. A series of Rabies shots is not only expensive but bloody painfull. I speak from first hand experience on this.

[womblejamie]

Honestly, some of the replies on here leave me shocked. Dogs culled and sent to Vietnam for food, they're a nuisance and should be collected (and done what with?), blah, blah blah. If you treat these dogs well, they will in return treat you well. Have you noticed that Thai people tend to suffer from dogs barking at them and seemingly chasing them (although if the humans stopped running and clapped their hands the dogs would stop), because the majority are unkind to the soi dogs.

Everywhere I go it takes me three times as long when I'm with my wife as she stops and feeds every dog or cat that she sees. Yes, even in our own street and we have a dog of our own that doesn't generally batter an eyelid. Why should the dogs be culled just because you don't like them? They don't like you, but have not made an attempt on your life!

[carmine]

There have been some somewhat "warped" opinions voiced on this thread. I can't imagine anyone on here would find being poisoned to be painless...it must be aweful and there must be a more humane way of doing it.

One thing that is undeniable is that many of the strays are a danger to motorbike users. I think a more humane cull is an unfortunate necessity.

[Gatorade]

There have been some somewhat "warped" opinions voiced on this thread. I can't imagine anyone on here would find being poisoned to be painless...it must be aweful and there must be a more humane way of doing it.

One thing that is undeniable is that many of the strays are a danger to motorbike users. I think a more humane cull is an unfortunate necessity.

I think the Samui Dog Rescue do a very good job by freely neutering animals brought in. This should in theory reduce the numbers somewhat by stopping reproduction at source.However it does need people to become involved by collecting and returning them.

Apart from expensive lethal injection I'm not sure what form a i[]humane[/i] cull could take.

No doubt, poisoning is barbaric, and another method of culling used here involved the police shooting them; however some of the animals were only wounded and died in agony.

There is no easy answer but I don't think that as human beings we should be meting out such treatment. Being a soi/stray dog should not merit a death sentence.

N.B BangRak still has very few dogs.

[screamingeagle]

Honestly, some of the replies on here leave me shocked. Dogs culled and sent to Vietnam for food, they're a nuisance and should be collected (and done what with?), blah, blah blah. If you treat these dogs well, they will in return treat you well. Have you noticed that Thai people tend to suffer from dogs barking at them and seemingly chasing them (although if the humans stopped running and clapped their hands the dogs would stop), because the majority are unkind to the soi dogs.

Everywhere I go it takes me three times as long when I'm with my wife as she stops and feeds every dog or cat that she sees. Yes, even in our own street and we have a dog of our own that doesn't generally batter an eyelid. Why should the dogs be culled just because you don't like them? They don't like you, but have not made an attempt on your life!

Honestly, this post is ridiculous. Thai people feed dogs to gain merit. Thai women that is..They're not on the top of the reincarnation tree. A majority of Thais are very poor and compete for food. If you lived on 1000 Baht a day and a soi dog stole your food, how would you feel? You'd kill the f**ker. Yes, soi dogs have made attempts on my life.Soi dogs have had me off my bike twice and badly bitten me. Painfull rabies injections and bike damage.The next day went back to the same spot and culled those who were responsible with a metal baseball bat to the skull. You really should leave your bleeding heart, animals have rights attitude, in the First World. You live in Thailand........

[Gatorade]

Honestly, some of the replies on here leave me shocked. Dogs culled and sent to Vietnam for food, they're a nuisance and should be collected (and done what with?), blah, blah blah. If you treat these dogs well, they will in return treat you well. Have you noticed that Thai people tend to suffer from dogs barking at them and seemingly chasing them (although if the humans stopped running and clapped their hands the dogs would stop), because the majority are unkind to the soi dogs.

Everywhere I go it takes me three times as long when I'm with my wife as she stops and feeds every dog or cat that she sees. Yes, even in our own street and we have a dog of our own that doesn't generally batter an eyelid. Why should the dogs be culled just because you don't like them? They don't like you, but have not made an attempt on your life!

Honestly, this post is ridiculous. Thai people feed dogs to gain merit. Thai women that is..They're not on the top of the reincarnation tree. A majority of Thais are very poor and compete for food. If you lived on 1000 Baht a day and a soi dog stole your food, how would you feel? You'd kill the f**ker. Yes, soi dogs have made attempts on my life.Soi dogs have had me off my bike twice and badly bitten me. Painfull rabies injections and bike damage.The next day went back to the same spot and culled those who were responsible with a metal baseball bat to the skull. You really should leave your bleeding heart, animals have rights attitude, in the First World. You live in Thailand........

Thank you Mr.Eagle.You have hit upon the answer! A baseball bat!You sound such a nice person.

And..Soi dogs sneaking around making attempts on your life

I think that you have to be trolling, how sad.

[BasementCat]

What's so painful about rabies injections? Had them done last year - no big deal, Mr. Screaming Eagle with a serious avatar.

As far as I know, no cases of rabies were confirmed in Samui for several years. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[longtom]

Honestly, this post is ridiculous. Thai people feed dogs to gain merit. Thai women that is..They're not on the top of the reincarnation tree. A majority of Thais are very poor and compete for food. If you lived on 1000 Baht a day and a soi dog stole your food, how would you feel? You'd kill the f**ker. Yes, soi dogs have made attempts on my life.Soi dogs have had me off my bike twice and badly bitten me. Painfull rabies injections and bike damage.The next day went back to the same spot and culled those who were responsible with a metal baseball bat to the skull. You really should leave your bleeding heart, animals have rights attitude, in the First World. You live in Thailand........

I can't see that many Thais fighting for food with soi dogs, and even less of them live on 1000 Baht a day. Still, most will shy away from directly getting their hands bloody (unless for monetary reasons of course).

And it makes me feel uncomfortable that it should be Ok for everyone to walk around and cull any dogs that are a bother - or even a deadly menace in some cases. Smashing their heads may grant personal satisfaction for some people, but won't contribute significantly to the solution of the stray dog problem. Can't see what should be wrong with a more civilised approach.

[WarpSpeed]

This is incorrect. The dogs are not exported for food. They are poisoned. They die slowly and rather painfully. And while they may be a nuisance, having watched two of my neighbor's dogs die on my doorstep (and yes they had collars, the poison is spread indiscriminately) it is not a death I would wish on any creature, regardless of how annoying I may find them.

Well said SBK. Unfortunately many of those posting here have not witnessed the incredible suffering of these animals. It also seems to be forgotten that many of these "Soi dogs" started out as pets and have been put on the street when their owners move on or go back to Kansas.

Most soi dogs are born in the street, not abandoned. The number of puppies in my soi is unbeleivable. Abandoned dogs don't usually survive long in the soi envioronment as they find it difficult to compete for available scraps of food and establishing their own bit of territory.

Although culling wild dogs is unfortunate, it is absolutely nesseccary. A series of Rabies shots is not only expensive but bloody painfull. I speak from first hand experience on this.

Thank you absolutely for the insightful point of view and I've been there and done that when it comes to rabies shots too..

For those of you whom have wrongly labeled me a troll because I don't agree, you can jump off. even on this forum I have right to my opinion and know exactly where Samui is located having lived in Phuket for a number of years, it is only a 10 hour drive to Bangkok and those who collect and sell these dogs for food could not give a rats @#$ how long it takes to get them to the border or how uncomfortable they might be since they are only food..... When my mover moved me they made it nonstop in about 8 hours both trips down and back..

I have read the rules SBK and you know as well as I that is not the interpretation behind the quotes rule it was just distractionary tactics from the topic on your part.. many members have used that technique for ages here and even worse with no quotes or partial quotes. Especially since the forum has been changed there are masses of quotes here that have not been distinguished in any way from the posters post so your post was a complete over-reaction, of course I don't expect you or any one else to come to terms with that..

So now I get a notice that the opening and closing quote tags don't match so I'm supposed to track down why that is to correct it in spite of using the function?? Had no choice to get my quote up otherwise it wouldn't post...

[WarpSpeed]

There have been some somewhat "warped" opinions voiced on this thread. I can't imagine anyone on here would find being poisoned to be painless...it must be aweful and there must be a more humane way of doing it.

One thing that is undeniable is that many of the strays are a danger to motorbike users. I think a more humane cull is an unfortunate necessity.

Where has anyone said anything about being poisoned as being painless? Don't misquote people...

[WarpSpeed]

Honestly, some of the replies on here leave me shocked. Dogs culled and sent to Vietnam for food, they're a nuisance and should be collected (and done what with?), blah, blah blah. If you treat these dogs well, they will in return treat you well. Have you noticed that Thai people tend to suffer from dogs barking at them and seemingly chasing them (although if the humans stopped running and clapped their hands the dogs would stop), because the majority are unkind to the soi dogs.

Everywhere I go it takes me three times as long when I'm with my wife as she stops and feeds every dog or cat that she sees. Yes, even in our own street and we have a dog of our own that doesn't generally batter an eyelid. Why should the dogs be culled just because you don't like them? They don't like you, but have not made an attempt on your life!

Honestly, this post is ridiculous. Thai people feed dogs to gain merit. Thai women that is..They're not on the top of the reincarnation tree. A majority of Thais are very poor and compete for food. If you lived on 1000 Baht a day and a soi dog stole your food, how would you feel? You'd kill the f**ker. Yes, soi dogs have made attempts on my life.Soi dogs have had me off my bike twice and badly bitten me. Painfull rabies injections and bike damage.The next day went back to the same spot and culled those who were responsible with a metal baseball bat to the skull. You really should leave your bleeding heart, animals have rights attitude, in the First World. You live in Thailand........

Can't say that I agree with the baseball bat but I know where it comes from and I sympathize, the rest I agree with entirely..Only my rabies injections were related to a soi cat attacking my adopted soi/now house cat through a screen into our house and I was forced to step in.. I love how people kill the messenger here as if I was the one culling them, selling them and eating them just because they have no conception of the reality of the culture they live in and refuse to accept that is how things are done here. Having said that no one IMO and certainly not me has said they agreed with it, just that that is how it is.....

[BigC]

This is going to sound dumb perhaps, but has the weather anything to do with it?

I mean, over the last few days at the beach I go to in Choeng Mon, there has been a really strong wind coming in off the sea - which is most unusual as it is so often calm where I go. (And pleasant I may add!)

No, I am not saying the wind has blown them all away <img src="http://static.thaivisa.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" /> , but maybe they are hiding out of the way somewhere? Do dogs dislike this wind - or this change in weather? <img src="http://static.thaivisa.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="unsure.gif" />

Hmmm ... yes it does sound dumb doesn't it? <img src="http://static.thaivisa.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="sad.gif" /> <img src="http://static.thaivisa.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />

so maybe u r right. maybe all people and animals that have been declared missing might have just simpley been blown away witht eh winde. like that filme the one with dorathy in it. ys that is it the wizard o oz. maye the dogs are on the yellow brick road to get back to banrak

[smokie36]

This is going to sound dumb perhaps, but has the weather anything to do with it?

I mean, over the last few days at the beach I go to in Choeng Mon, there has been a really strong wind coming in off the sea - which is most unusual as it is so often calm where I go. (And pleasant I may add!)

No, I am not saying the wind has blown them all away <img src="http://static.thaivisa.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" /> , but maybe they are hiding out of the way somewhere? Do dogs dislike this wind - or this change in weather? <img src="http://static.thaivisa.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="unsure.gif" />

Hmmm ... yes it does sound dumb doesn't it? <img src="http://static.thaivisa.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="sad.gif" /> <img src="http://static.thaivisa.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />

so maybe u r right. maybe all people and animals that have been declared missing might have just simpley been blown away witht eh winde. like that filme the one with dorathy in it. ys that is it the wizard o oz. maye the dogs are on the yellow brick road to get back to banrak

Everyone knows the yellow brick road was in Fisherman's Village.

Those were the days!

[imola]

This is going to sound dumb perhaps, but has the weather anything to do with it?

I mean, over the last few days at the beach I go to in Choeng Mon, there has been a really strong wind coming in off the sea - which is most unusual as it is so often calm where I go. (And pleasant I may add!)

No, I am not saying the wind has blown them all away <img src="http://static.thaivisa.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" /> , but maybe they are hiding out of the way somewhere? Do dogs dislike this wind - or this change in weather? <img src="http://static.thaivisa.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="unsure.gif" />

Hmmm ... yes it does sound dumb doesn't it? <img src="http://static.thaivisa.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="sad.gif" /> <img src="http://static.thaivisa.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />

so maybe u r right. maybe all people and animals that have been declared missing might have just simpley been blown away witht eh winde. like that filme the one with dorathy in it. ys that is it the wizard o oz. maye the dogs are on the yellow brick road to get back to banrak

Everyone knows the yellow brick road was in Fisherman's Village.

Those were the days!

theres generally a tokay in my rooofspace that has gone silent for a few days now, surely not??,

his name was jfk ,and our house sits on a,sort of grassy knoll,

[smokie36]

It must have been the tin man...

[MattCinderey]

smokie, you're up early, did you sh*t the bed or something?

[smokie36]

smokie, you're up early, did you sh*t the bed or something?

I haven't slept a wink for days Matt I'm keeping a vigil by the window with the shotgun in case the dogcatchers come by.....not that I have a dog but the soi dogs are my only true friends.....

[MattCinderey]

I like your style Smokie. That's dedication in a nut shell. I like my sleep, so I've given both my dogs small Dillinger guns concealed in their collars. One bark in the right direction and a round is fired.

I'd probably replace your shotgun with a good rifle and a side-arm as backup, those shotguns spray everywhere, you don't want to hit one your dogs.

Matt.

[BigC]

i know i married a dog lol. thinking about devorcing her for a german sherperd though. lot less yapping

[MattCinderey]

I have a electric shock bark collar if you want to borrow it BigC? My missus didn't like it. She doesn't do "sardid"

[carmine]

Honestly, some of the replies on here leave me shocked. Dogs culled and sent to Vietnam for food, they're a nuisance and should be collected (and done what with?), blah, blah blah. If you treat these dogs well, they will in return treat you well. Have you noticed that Thai people tend to suffer from dogs barking at them and seemingly chasing them (although if the humans stopped running and clapped their hands the dogs would stop), because the majority are unkind to the soi dogs.

Everywhere I go it takes me three times as long when I'm with my wife as she stops and feeds every dog or cat that she sees. Yes, even in our own street and we have a dog of our own that doesn't generally batter an eyelid. Why should the dogs be culled just because you don't like them? They don't like you, but have not made an attempt on your life!

Honestly, this post is ridiculous. Thai people feed dogs to gain merit. Thai women that is..They're not on the top of the reincarnation tree. A majority of Thais are very poor and compete for food. If you lived on 1000 Baht a day and a soi dog stole your food, how would you feel? You'd kill the f**ker. Yes, soi dogs have made attempts on my life.Soi dogs have had me off my bike twice and badly bitten me. Painfull rabies injections and bike damage.The next day went back to the same spot and culled those who were responsible with a metal baseball bat to the skull. You really should leave your bleeding heart, animals have rights attitude, in the First World. You live in Thailand........

Please try not to sound so psychotic. Bludgeoning animals to death with baseball bats is no way to conduct oneself.

Carmine has spoken.