SomTumTiger Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 (edited) Step right up to book a concert with the recently arrested Russian Pedophile! Let me book my ticket now... Not. This will seriously damage his career. If he didn't do it, he'll come back and stand for his trial. If he did it, he won't be back. Edited July 12, 2010 by SomTumTiger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 Perhaps. But I still wouldn't be at all surprised if the charges are simply dropped based on lack of evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimmer Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 One sweeping post that serves no useful purpose deleted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wozzit Posted July 13, 2010 Share Posted July 13, 2010 (edited) Step right up to book a concert with the recently arrested Russian Pedophile! Let me book my ticket now... Not. This will seriously damage his career. If he didn't do it, he'll come back and stand for his trial. If he did it, he won't be back. Another who prejudges before knowing anything other than what you see in the media. If he does return, will you step right up and book that ticket? Edited July 13, 2010 by Wozzit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rucharee Posted July 13, 2010 Share Posted July 13, 2010 Perhaps. But I still wouldn't be at all surprised if the charges are simply dropped based on lack of evidence. Because boys cannot get pregnant. So no DNA trace left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAWP Posted July 13, 2010 Share Posted July 13, 2010 Perhaps. But I still wouldn't be at all surprised if the charges are simply dropped based on lack of evidence. Because boys cannot get pregnant. So no DNA trace left. Uh, trolling? Most rape-cases involving DNA has nothing to do with the victim being pregnant... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaiChai Posted July 13, 2010 Share Posted July 13, 2010 I recon this guy has been setup. I have had three or four Thai police want to 'help and get to know me'. We warned, they are not after your friendship, they are looking for an opportunity to fleece you. A bit like the motoring offence but on a bigger scale with the backing of the Thai legal system. Once you are convicted by the legal system (whether you were correctly convicted is irrelevant), it does not matter; now you are a criminal. Once that happens there is not much chance of rewinding things. My tip: remain a tourist, don't tell anyone you have any money, don't throw your money around buying property, etc. Enjoy your time here but don't commit to anything. Leave when any trouble starts brewing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chantorn Posted July 13, 2010 Share Posted July 13, 2010 I recon this guy has been setup. I have had three or four Thai police want to 'help and get to know me'. We warned, they are not after your friendship, they are looking for an opportunity to fleece you. A bit like the motoring offence but on a bigger scale with the backing of the Thai legal system. Once you are convicted by the legal system (whether you were correctly convicted is irrelevant), it does not matter; now you are a criminal. Once that happens there is not much chance of rewinding things. My tip: remain a tourist, don't tell anyone you have any money, don't throw your money around buying property, etc. Enjoy your time here but don't commit to anything. Leave when any trouble starts brewing. I think he is set up too. Because i have never met a musician who is gay. Especially a Russian one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted July 13, 2010 Share Posted July 13, 2010 (edited) I recon this guy has been setup. I have had three or four Thai police want to 'help and get to know me'. We warned, they are not after your friendship, they are looking for an opportunity to fleece you. A bit like the motoring offence but on a bigger scale with the backing of the Thai legal system. Once you are convicted by the legal system (whether you were correctly convicted is irrelevant), it does not matter; now you are a criminal. Once that happens there is not much chance of rewinding things. My tip: remain a tourist, don't tell anyone you have any money, don't throw your money around buying property, etc. Enjoy your time here but don't commit to anything. Leave when any trouble starts brewing. I think he is set up too. Because i have never met a musician who is gay. Especially a Russian one. You make a funny joke, comrade. Tchaikovsky BTW -- BEING GAY IS NOT A CRIME! Edited July 13, 2010 by Jingthing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rucharee Posted July 14, 2010 Share Posted July 14, 2010 I recon this guy has been setup. I have had three or four Thai police want to 'help and get to know me'. We warned, they are not after your friendship, they are looking for an opportunity to fleece you. A bit like the motoring offence but on a bigger scale with the backing of the Thai legal system. Once you are convicted by the legal system (whether you were correctly convicted is irrelevant), it does not matter; now you are a criminal. Once that happens there is not much chance of rewinding things. My tip: remain a tourist, don't tell anyone you have any money, don't throw your money around buying property, etc. Enjoy your time here but don't commit to anything. Leave when any trouble starts brewing. I think he is set up too. Because i have never met a musician who is gay. Especially a Russian one. You make a funny joke, comrade. Tchaikovsky BTW -- BEING GAY IS NOT A CRIME! It is, in the South of Thailand. But not in Pattaya, fortunately for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wozzit Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 Perhaps. But I still wouldn't be at all surprised if the charges are simply dropped based on lack of evidence. Because boys cannot get pregnant. So no DNA trace left. But if the boy had gone to the police immediately after the alleged rape instead of waiting many weeks, there could well have been DNA samples the forensic people could have picked up - if the allegation is true, of course. Ever wonder why the boy didn't report it until many weeks later? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wozzit Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 <br><br><font size="5"><b>I learnt of charges from internet : accused Russian pianist</b></font><br>By The Voice of Russia<br>Itar-Tass<br><br>Renowned pianist and conductor Mikhail Pletnev, accused of child sex abuse in Thailand, is leaving on a tour of Europe and the United States. Next Monday he is due to open a festival on the shores of a lake in Ohrid, Macedonia.<br><br>Pletnev, a Grammy Winner, has been charged on Tuesday before being freed on bail. The Court allowed him to leave the country but ordered him to be back on July 18 for further investigation.<br><br>Pletnev left Thailand on Thursday for Moscow. He told a news conference in Moscow that he had committed no atrocities and would defend his honour. <br><br>Pletnev, the Russian National Orchestra Conductor, said he learned of charges made against him in Thailand from the internet.<br><br>"I will tell you how things really were," Pletnev said. "I was vacationing in Thailand which I visit often. It is a wonderful country."<br><br>The musician said he had been dining in a bar when policemen approached him and suggested the ride to his house. "They inspected the house, found nothing, and then they escorted me to a police station and set me free afterwards," he said.<br><br>"I have not yet received an official notification of the charges proffered against me," Pletnev sald. He said the next day he was amazed to read in the internet that he was accused of involvement in organizing a children prostitution ring.<br><br>"I was even more amazed on reading in the internet that discs with peculiar contents had been confiscated from me. There was no such thing," he said.<br><br>"So I finally decided to engage in my usual occupations - music, art," he said. He also sail he had never had an incident of this kind either in Thailand or in any other country. "There was no such thing, ever," he said. "I don't know what other provocations are in store for me, but I will resist. Time will show," Pletnev said.<br><br>Pletnev is to leave Russia on Friday, July 9, to go with his orchestra on a tour abroad, beginning in Macedonia on July 12. According to the stipulated procedure, he must be back in Pattaya by July 18.<br><br>Thailand's court permitted Pletnev to leave the country for some time, despite being charged with child molesting.<br><br>-- The Nation 2010-07-09<br> <br><br><i><b>According to the stipulated procedure, he must be back in Pattaya by July 18. I bet you 100 to 1 that he will NOT be back. I'll accept your bet. I'll pay Bt. 100 to a charity of YOUR choosing if he does NOT return. You pay Bt. 10,000 to a charity of MY choosing if he DOES return. You made the offer. Now back up your words with action. OK? Well, Chantorn? You have made more recent postings but you have never answered my challenge to your "bet". If you do not have the courage to live up to your convictions, then please retract your statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animatic Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 I recon this guy has been setup. I have had three or four Thai police want to 'help and get to know me'. We warned, they are not after your friendship, they are looking for an opportunity to fleece you. A bit like the motoring offence but on a bigger scale with the backing of the Thai legal system. Once you are convicted by the legal system (whether you were correctly convicted is irrelevant), it does not matter; now you are a criminal. Once that happens there is not much chance of rewinding things. My tip: remain a tourist, don't tell anyone you have any money, don't throw your money around buying property, etc. Enjoy your time here but don't commit to anything. Leave when any trouble starts brewing. I think he is set up too. Because i have never met a musician who is gay. Especially a Russian one. Makes no difference if he is gay or not. He was rich, and obviously so, his neighbor / house guardian was running boys and got caught, what better secondary target than the rich, (incidentally) gay, high profile, conductor to shake down, or take down to lessen his own fall. Make the BIB some cash from his assets and they might not be as hard on the chicken hawk pimp. Certainly a plausible scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animatic Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 Perhaps. But I still wouldn't be at all surprised if the charges are simply dropped based on lack of evidence. Because boys cannot get pregnant. So no DNA trace left. But if the boy had gone to the police immediately after the alleged rape instead of waiting many weeks, there could well have been DNA samples the forensic people could have picked up - if the allegation is true, of course. Ever wonder why the boy didn't report it until many weeks later? Because he hadn't been told to yet.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrjonyoung Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 They should examine the boy for signs of the alleged crime. 14 is young and there is a good chance the truth could be obtained medically. Its common for female rape victims and although i am sure it would be traumatizing for the boy it might be the only way of finding a definitive answer. I'll bet there more than a few men on thaivisa who have indulged in sex with young boys and/or young girls. It disgusts me but I think there will be no solution to the problem without understand why they do it. Anyone brave enough to shed some light on the motivation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wozzit Posted July 16, 2010 Share Posted July 16, 2010 (edited) They should examine the boy for signs of the alleged crime. 14 is young and there is a good chance the truth could be obtained medically. Its common for female rape victims and although i am sure it would be traumatizing for the boy it might be the only way of finding a definitive answer. Of course you are correct - but only if he had gone to the authorities immediately after the alleged rape occurred. The fact is that the 2nd incidence took place in February and he went to the police in April. As I said earlier, how come he waited so long? animatic is probably right in suggesting in his post "because he hadn't been told to yet.... " Remember also, this same boy had been raped at least 20 times by the owner of the internet cafe. That has been admitted. I think there is also a fair chance that he had been offered out to members of the pedophile ring. I therefore doubt any examination in April would have yielded any shred of evidence of the alleged offence by the Russian musician. This case is likely to be in the media again soon. I seem to recall the next Court appearance will be early next week. So we'll soon know if I'm right in my suggestion that Mr Pletnev will definitely return. We'll then know which charity is going to benefit from the wagers I've made - and who will have to pay up Edited July 16, 2010 by Wozzit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webfact Posted July 17, 2010 Author Share Posted July 17, 2010 topic continues here: Russian conductor charged with child sex returns to Thailand //CLOSED// Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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